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There are two name for fluctuating of price,
Price going up is bullish and price going down is bearish.
And name for traders are pigs because there are many traders lost their money on trading. That is why we need system trading or trading plan as weapon and Shield for counter bears and bulls.  ;D
Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs? They get slaughtered

interesting point for this mate, if we can have both bulls and bears we can avoid to be a pigs here as many traders is professional and study hard on how to earn and avoid losing their money. if possible sharing your ideas and strategy kindly pm me mate. thanks.

I can't share my ideas about system trading via PM because there are many something who must be discussion if i have much time i will make thread about system trading of ethereum. Thank you very much

Every trader becomes one of them(bullish, bearish, pigs) sooner or later. It's only a matter of time and luck that is either good or bad until they do become one.

much better to make that thread so many of us here will learn how to trade like a bull and bear and stop being a pigs, i like your intention to show us the reality in the world of tradings. good luck to you sir.

haha, nice simulation here. although i think every single one of traders will get slaughtered sooner or later in their trading journey.
the difference is only in the amount the get slaughtered over. you can be a sheep who follows what others say and buy on top and get slaughtered each time or you can have your own mind and sell when everybody says buy.

Ok thank you for your comments but, if i make thread so many they just will become spamming, i will make thread with structure. I hope we can learn together.

And when I buy some altcoins and I let it sit on the exchanges for a few months until it gets more value, what I am ? A bird that keep its eggs ?

There are not name birdlish or eggslish on markets, just bullish and bearish.

You are a pig only if you panic sell your coins. If you buy bitcoins from whatever price, you are in a long position and waiting for profits in the future.  Don't buy more bitcoins than you could afford to lose. Prices may go up&down. It happens all the time, but if you think you won't get your profit then you tap out and panic sell. That is where people get fcked. They buy bitcoin with their life savings and with every second passing away they are becoming more and more anxious about it. With a little price drop, they freak out and panic sell. W R O N G.

Bearish and bullish stand for the market trend. Pig is an exemple that it isn't the only two words.

That is why, we need system trading or trading plan it is cover money management, rule of entry/exit on markets, management risk, tecnical analysis,psicology trading. They will make profit as consistent from trading.

it will be a long study and experts concerned but if you are one of those it can be a big help for everyone here, we needed something like this to avoid being a pig, I know I'm also new to alt trading but my method is just the simple one buy low and sell high check volume and avoid those trolls how one day I'll see you in your next thread providing your own method.

I have to be lean before christmas it will be horrible. I like this topic i'll be doing back reading on this one. 

How about those traders who made from trading they should have a different name what you term pigs are those who lost from trading,of course every traders needs plan and tools and technical knowledge to win on trading without that it's like you just handed your money..

Nah, you can't expect something like bitcoin to be stable. I think that the traders are doing more good than harm as they attract a lot of money into bitcoin related businesses. Whether this is for speculative reasons or not doesn't matter. Use of bitcoin in any way is good for bitcoin.

And all we can do to help expand the market usage of btc globally is to educate our prospected partners in the advantages of btc in our economy the community and a lot more that we know must be passed on to them.  We need a duplication.

I think you think sheep. Sheep are being shaved.

Pigs? No pigs around. Just naive stupid sheep.

This is open market, everyone can buy and sale - some get profit, and some loose. If you have more experience, you can try to get profit.  ;D

I have actually never heard the term "pig" as it relates to trading.  The problem with beginners in trading is that it usually takes us a while to figure out how to successfully trade, so maybe we all start out as pigs until we graduate to bulls and bears.  I'm not sure where I fall right now but I think it is somewhere between pig and bull/bear.  I think I'm starting to get the hang of it but not sure yet.

I agree but that is how they make there money so who is to complaint really   :-X

Thank you very much, last time i have made new thread about bitcoin is gold and almost all of alt coins are vegetable so we must find silver. Let's discussion about it on here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1491750.msg15017311#msg15017311  

what do you mea by pig. it is mean that they are  not good persons. I don't think so it is so. I think we should not think and tell like that.

Hahahaha.... I will become the pig can  make money on trading with my method trading and will not be slughtered
by fluctuation of price in the markets

You are wrong. Pigs ain't traders. Bulls and Bears are traders. Pigs are f*ggots who are afraid to hold their position and they get out with a loss. Or in other words, they are stupid. Stupid people are bound to be slaughtered.

If you are a bear, you will make money sooner or later. Same goes for bulls. Pigs are arm/leg butchers and they keep butchering themselves till no they left.

I agree, pigs is non existing term in trading and you have probably meant sheep. People are often sheep in their everyday living, not just in trading. Some unexperienced traders often act like sheep and lose their money exclusively with their own fault.

I don't understand how pigs fit on trading. Bulls because they strike movement is upward. Bears because they claw downwards. But pigs? Is it because they eat the crap of the bulls and the bears? All of them can get slaughtered. If you stayed bulls or bears for a very long time, you'll get your time of slaughtering too like the pigs. It is just a matter of time if you do not adopt to the situation.

When a trader buys he becomes bull and when we sells be will become bear. Then how can a bull or bear will become a pig ?

Prices will not go up and down automatically. It will be driven by bulls and bears. They are actual traders.

I believe you have misunderstanding how terms are being used in trading industry. If you closely watch you can read news like "bears dominated xyz market". It means sellers dominated.

Already we have two names for traders : bulls and bears. Hence there is no need of another new and inappropriate name.

I'm not Pig because i was selling my bitcoin at the top price, LOL. ;D Mostly the person is lost a lot of his money in trading because they just try to predict this bullish trend will over $1300 and not try to sell his money.
Just some of the optimism person. I can't do anything with the dump whale. can bring the market price to the bottom just in once click.

well there is always two sides in a trade, one loses and the other one wins it doesn't have to be in equal numbers, it can be majority losing and minority winning. but it happens and it is how the rest of the world works too, you can not blame anyone.
i was losing money once, but i learned from my mistakes and slowly tried my best to join the winning side and i always try to stay on the winning side and everybody else can too.

Trading plan are the secret of professional traders. The pigs for slaughter the bears make profit and bull make profit it is the reality of what happened every day. If you study bitcoin price this days you will find out that bears has established strong resistance at 1285 dollar and because of this when price got near the power of bears force it back. The power of perfect money management principle will safe you from their powers.

That's an advance knowledge you got there, never heard that terms before and I guess only serious traders will understand that. Now I realize that is why I never had consistent success is because I'm one of the pigs, lol. ;D

Hence I prefer to just holding it for long term which I think it does not require me enough knowledge to succeed, believing on the future of bitcoin is the only key there.

Then its called as "smart pigs" haha because you can able to avoid the possible slaughter to yourself when do trading.Pigs are already considered to be slaughtered anytime and basing on trading we are gaining money in either way but in the same time we do lose does depend how a pig would trade. ;D

Wow take in easy dude, a pigs is just name there are not not pigs actually on trading even there are not bulls and bears on trading all of them are name, also as you said there are not sheep, I don't see bulls, bears, pigs, sheep trading coins and you are free for give name to traders who losing money in trading activity. :D

Hahahaha.... Yea I start understand why we are called pigs on markets because sometime we must take profit and sometime we must do stop lost because we must follow trend of markets be called bulls for up trend  and bears for down trend, and I am a pig with sword and shield and I want add new name for traders can make money with pigs with sword and shield  ;D

Don't make complications with bitcoin trading. It is the same as the way we trade digital assets, but bitcoin doesn't have a price sustainability which fluctuates often. Even here the unlucky pigs get slaughtered, as no one is accurate with price as the price could drop or increase in a short time frame.

Pigs do have sword and shield sounds cool to me.haha and there are lots of kinds of pigs like this specially big pigs do know how to trade.Being slaughtered could really happen anytime and we should be aware on that time.

I have to disagree. Not every trader is a pig. Pig is an investor with unusually high expectations who is driven by greed and hope for unrealistic gains.
Saying that all bitcoin traders are pigs is huge and unfair generalization, and while every traders want to profit not every trader is greedy maniac.

I think being a pig is the initial phase of transforming into a bull or a bear. No one can just enter and start earning profits from the day one. Experience is what makes them bulls or bears so I don't think being a pig is a bad thing (especially when someone is looking to trade in the long term and acquiring adequate skills for it).

According to me it's Better to Firstly Study the Markets and Having Knowledge about trading and Knowledge about the Coin you are Investing your Money in and Also Have knowledge of the Market Cap, Demand and Supply and Other Things Realted to that Altcoin...........

Nice simulation of the market. Lots of pigs have slaughtered in the past because of the bullish nature of Bitcoin market, however it is much needed to a newbie as they have to learn and understand before they invest full and loose bigger amounts.

Trading is always about how we are predicting the market, I believe it will not be possible for every trader to predict accurately so that they will not join the group of pigs.

I mean to say every trader may become as described get slaughtered someday. But the thing is we can keep our losses small and we can make more profits than what we are losing sometimes. That is the reason traders do say "losses also part of trading" but we must keep it relatively small.

Nice explained, and I agree with you. In the beginning we are pigs and only experience makes as grow into bears and bulls, if you come at that point. But I would like to add that this works just for people that spend or invest a lot of money in trading, by that what am I? I ask because I never lost big amount of money, and there is many others like me, we don't trade every day, just here and there, we do not spend a lot, and I think we make profit from time to time, how would you call us?

Yes it is the life of traders, keep on get slaughtered everyday no matter the price is down or the price is up, but after you gain your knowledge and experience you won't be slaughter anymore, you can get slaughter if you do panic sell or greedy, after you doing trading for a long time you will make more successful trading, so you need to be patience to learn trading, when you passed the phase you will get your reward

A lot of the pigs right now, the rejected by SEC give a lot of the impact for the bitcoin and i think the next pump of btc will happen in this time, But too many the people are so blindly with the rumor's hype.

If you been best in speculation and strategy in making good relationship with the people will make you always in top in trading. I suggest you to have a best escrows in all your trade to avoid the scammers. If possible check with localbitcoins and make neccessary verifications and intialize your trade's minimum and maximum limit according to you wish and start your with lbc who have automated escrow with them.

Every trader at first would be only slaughtered due to lack of experience and after gaining experience, he would become a bull or bear and start earning profits.If even then also,the trader remains only a pig, then he is fit to be slaughtered again and again.

Opportunist.. the one who doesn't actively spend or invest but if they see any opportunity then they put some money in it, earn profits and disappears until next opportunity. Opportunists are usually less risk taker as compared to that of frequent traders.

Well thank you very much for your opinions, the traders will stay become pigs, if they become bulls they just make profit on condition of market up trend (small profit) will losing money in down trend and if they​ become bears they just make burn their money, the pigs with weapon can make active profit on up trend and down trend of markets.  ;)

Yeah, I agreed as trader there are many newbie's are getting much interest to be involve in trading  they thought it is easy to become a good traders in the exchange. as you had said the traders hearsays was Bulls and Bears win and the Sheep and and Pigs gets slaughtered, so these are the traders similar to a soldier going to war without a weapon.

You can go down in history to be that guy who first name some traders to be "pigs" and I partly agree but maybe it should be referring to new traders who are still so excited to make some money and at the end lose them. We should understand that trading is not for the faint-hearted and one should invest in knowledge and tools so he can come out to be a winner...and not get slaughtered as you said lol. As they say, the more you learn the more you earn. Don't get emotional and never be greedy. :)

Many pigs are slaughtered every day, I have seen some info about people who earn money with trading, from all the people just 5 % or less is making money with trading, and exchange site, others are there just for losing money, I don`t know how much is truth all that, but that have sense in my opinion. And even thou I`m still trying to trade and to make some profit with alts, I lost more then I made that is for sure. I`m probably one of the pigs, too.

So what will be our shield and weapon to protect ourselves?
I think we only need patience and somehow use our brain and instincts with sudden changes.  Look at bitcoin now. It is below $1000 and somehow others would be thinking to withdraw. Just please dont do it. That is not the essence of trading and you are doing it at the wrong number. Try to stay calm and we will come back to the price that we want. Where you could sell if you want to. Just not now. Dont be a pig.  ;D

What are you trying to say here? That too manypeople are following the hype?
If that is the case, than that means that the hype does have an effect on the price...

instead of trying so hard to come up with new terminology to describe what is happening, try to take advantage of the situation.
buy before the hype starts and take the most advantage of the sudden rise and if you think the hype is over and dump is imminent then sell and buy back at the bottom.
and if your "guesses" about hype and dump were wrong learn to live with the losses.

Well the thing that really affects the price is that one big whale decides that he wants to sell that will affect the other big whales and they also will start selling and people will start flowing and that what makes the prices go down, the important thing is to just stay calm and only follow your decisions not some trader and not panic selling, and the prices always go up so no worries.

Yes traders lose their reputation when they get panic or blindly following the whales. We must have our own analysis so that we can make good decisions for making ourselves rich.

well pigs got to exist too. they are the reason why you can eat bacon every day.
this is how the world works though. it is never good or bad but it exists, and one person doesn't really have to be one or another. you can be in one group but slowly pull yourself up and become something else.
i say those who don't realize what they are and those who realize what they are but don't try to change are the worse! as long as you are trying to better yourself you are on a good path.

Yes, traders are pigs on market because they only earn money into that way. In traders, they hate when the price of altcoin is up and they happy when the price is down because they know that they can earn only some profit just by selling it at high price. But before they become professional traders they had also experience some losses then in losses they'll learn.

For me you are a pig only if you panic sell your coins. If you buy bitcoins from whatever price, you are in a long position and waiting for profits in the future.  Don't buy more bitcoins than you could afford to lose. Prices may go up&down. It happens all the time, but if you think you won't get your profit then you tap out and panic sell

lol, yes, we are pigs.... we are hunted by whales and sharks....hahaa. we are so stupid. Let equip knowledge and technical skills to avoid becoming a pig. haha