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By selling a legendary or any other trusted account, anyone newbie in forum that have Bitcoins for it can buy.
The risk? This person can use the trustability of this account for joke people and earn double of what invested in the account.
Who here agree or disagree? Lets discuss.

The risk isn't that the buyer will joke with it,  the risk is that the buyer will use the legendry account for scamming and theres a very high chance that whoever did buy it will scam.  I think all accounts should cost a lot more than they do to try and prevent this but the bottom line is to never trust anyone because you never know if the account is bought and just priming to scam.

Joke was mean't scam when I wrote, sorry for my bad english.  ;D
A proative solution for it is list/identify all trusted/old accounts that is for selling. As I've spoken, anyone that have sufficient Bitcoins can buy a trusted account and sell inexistent things and earn double, and repeating and multiplicating the dispense. Increase size of accounts can't prevent scammers, but will be bad for "honest" buyers (the less unhonest, in my opinion). The best solution is prohibit account sellings, and all people here "fighting" for your own account merit and honor!

I was against preventing account sales before because it would limit the lending section quite a bit but i do agree that if we could stop account seling it would prevent a lot of scams, Its just not as easy as that though, atm all account sales are done via this website, should we make it illegal they will just move account sales to another 3rd party site but sales will continue. The only method against getting scammed is to insist on using escrow for any transaction you ever do.

I agree in some parts and disagree in others.

"should we make it illegal they will just move account sales to another 3rd party site but sales will continue"
This is like a vote/donation, not depends in the action of others, but do our own good work/part. If all think like us, the scammers selling accounts can be stoped in any site.

"The only method against getting scammed is to insist on using escrow for any transaction you ever do."
I agree very much, but not only it. Can advice that the account was selled or create a list with selled accounts will be good. But the better solution is do our part and stop it here, and create a campaign for other sites do the same.

In a perfect world i agree that if everyone thought like this then scamming could be stopped easily but the problem is not everyone does and there is nothing that could be done about preventing the account sales on 3rd party sites as we would never know the handles of the accounts being sold. Theres already a thread that list alternative accounts of various member on this site, I will see if i can dig it up for you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0

The perfect world starts when we do our part without depending if the others will do the same. We can stop it here and create campaigns in others sites.

I agree too. besides, newbies sometimes post nonsense thing that makes the account banned. I've ever seen it.

I a little bit don't agree to cost high if someone are interested to buy a high rank account. it means that we give him/her a hope. so probably it's good to say the point that the account are not for sale.

I agree with you, people who buy accounts with positive trust rating and high rank can easily scam other people. I think people are now more careful the before, so checking post history, check if there is scam accusations against that member, and looking in a list that you see above for possible alt accounts is good ways for preventing yourself from scamming.

Rising price of accounts will stop many people from buying, but I don't think that will completely solve the problem. For any kind of trading use trustworthy escrow, and inform yourself about person you do business with. We cant do nothing more.

I think theres a lot of thing you should look of about buying some accounts here in furom its because its very really to do so, since buying is very dangerous and you might buy those hack accounts or those who have debt and so by that your money will totally waste and the account will be useless aswell as you can get many accusses since you are the one who buy an account to unknown people.

Scam by sellers are not the only issue here its because hacking issue are scattered everywhere as you can see on meta their are couple of people crying since they buyed an difaulted account with bad history. Thats why buying accounts are discourage in this furom.

Yeah, as you can see. It is stated above the consequences of buying an account. But, there are counter-measures so that your transaction will be completed successfully, No Scams, No Hacks, and No Bad Accusations :

1. Make sure that he really owns the account. (You can know by asking his personal email aside from the indicated on the account then compare the name in the forum account.)
2. Look at the past posts, make sure that this person does not have debts to other persons.
3. Vouch the person in a certain thread or topic to find if it is a trustworthy person
4. Hire a trusted escrow that will double check if those requirements are met. And to prevent scams in transacting between buyers and sellers.
5. Lastly, when you already buy's the account. Make sure to change all the information and put yours so that hacking will be much difficult. (not all legendary users or high ranked forum account knows how to hack an account here.)

Those are just my assumptions and tips on how will your transaction be successful in buying a certain accounts. The safest way to have a high rank account is to rank it yourself, but it will take some time before you reach that. Again, I do not say that those things are accurate, for some it will work, and to others, Not. The risk are always there, so be careful always whenever you transact to other people.

Ok, i agree with your opinions but maybe before the account is sold the old owner will making a notification in the trusted summary if the owner of the account has changed into a new owner.

This not ensure security and can't avoid scams or other bad intentions from the buyer.

if possible let the buyer be identified and which forum account was sold as well. this way we can track who uses accounts and if they could all be suspects if the bought and sold account end up to a scammers hand.

many risks that should you encounter when you buy a bitcointalk account, especially if it has a high position at a cheap price. Well, perhaps that your account may very easily be taken back by the first person, but it could be that it is used to deceive someone, or moreover, that account is stolen account. well, very much risk should you face, but think carefully before you buy it

I think it's usually painfully obvious when a barely literate asshole buys a high ranking account. the previous posts are accessible and people are super vigilant about this stuff. it's a nasty business but I've no idea how anyone would stop it.

I can't understand the mindset of someone who'd sell a legendary account. that's years and years of effort. guess it's desperation or boredom. If I had one I wanted rid of i'd prefer to donate it to someone worthy so they could make use of it.

Because some people think this forum is a sewage treatment plant that's stopped treating sewage.

Because some people need the money.

Because some people just don't give a shit if others get scammed or if this forum gets overrun by shitposters. 

Those are the reasons I can think of.  And yeah, people wonder why there's a strong vibe of paranoia here.

After I chicked the digital goods and auctions sections , I found that Full Member is the most tradeable rank , there are only some legendary accounts , but I think if a newbie bought a legendary account he will be uncovered easily due to his activities .

having a ranking system, and allowing to sell a rank is paradox. just saying.

this is a very serious topic .
now i will never trust to the suggestion of legendry account fully .
thanxx to tell me about this

Yes. A thing invalidate another mutually in this case, and can't coexist.

Technically speaking, that doesn't really solve anything. Since we're assuming that the sold accounts with Legendary rank belong to members who have properly earned them, then there's no reason to not assume that the chosen escrow holder's account itself is not a sold account.

I believe that the best -- for lack of a more suitable word -- solution to this epidemic would be to revert any account that has been proven to have changed ownership back to Newbie rank. It would definitely be a major deterrent to the account selling industry if account buyers were to lose the very thing that they paid for, while still leaving the account itself more or less intact.



Oh, look! A newbie who posted without reading a single post on the thread! He didn't even bother reading the OP itself. If I was an evil mastermind, I'd urge everyone to PM this newbie telling him to read the OP and other members' posts before posting because posting without reading is just a different form of spamming. If I was a sly evil mastermind, I would do that but end this post with a winky face emoji to let other members know that they should take my urging seriously. Too bad I'm neither evil nor sly. Oh well.

...winky face emoji.

I also think that selling accounts should not be allowed on bitcointalk. Let people do there own work to get a bitcointalk account with higher rank and positive trust and atleast no red trust. Mostly they use bought account for scamming people or get higher payment in a signature campaign.

the only thing that can guarantee that an escrow is who they say they are is for them to be publicly identifiable and do each deal with their face showing on skype, and they'd have to have been doing that for a while too. private keys can just as easily be passed on for signing addresses.

I don't think show the face in the Bitcoin world is a intelligent idea.

yup. but there's really no other way of proving who you are. everything else can be handed over, private keys, pgp keys, passwords, you name it.

what if I buy an highly trusted escrow ID for $100.000 and than scam people for $1.000.000? looks like a nice deal

Good ideas. But smart contracts can be included?

well maybe by using the services of escrow that all would be fine, but if the person already knows his account well, there is a possibility that account be taken over again, but if the person is really what you believe, I guess it would not hurt to buy , but the risk is still there. Well, it's business, if you do not want no risk, then you just need to make it yourself

If you use escrow it well lessen the danger itself and i think the danger out there is when the seller dont tell the truth if he haves debts bad reputation, scams and any other bad that can be cause to those account to be faulty ones so.thats whynits very risky to buy any of those since we might compromise for the said things,

yes， I agree  with you ,we should protect our accoun and do not sell!

For me selling account Bitcointalk not be big matter, but if you wanna to sell if for some reason may you can, with note make good deal with seller or buyer. for high it be on alert when you do some transaction buy or sell. cause here we don't know who we are.