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http://cointimes.tech/2016/08/12/etcdao-stolen-coins-frozen-by-exchanges-was-sent-by-ethereum-foundation-developers/

What's even more pathetic is they try to give any explanation towards what seems obvious: They were about to dump ETC for ETH, but Poloniex became aware those are stolen funds and froze their coins.

I don't get how ETH is still alive after so many fails and scammy behavior.

I think a hard fork is due over this theft  ;D

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1772176/rimshot-o.gif

knowledgeable experts in the industry^TM .. also noticed ETH huffer coin command base ... helped facilitate illegal activity via sale of  $2.2m of Cryptsy client bitcoin sold by way of Coinbase ... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.msg15896013#msg15896013

Oh dear...

Crypto crypto crypto (smh)

Just what I said. Returning any funds to DAO holders was going to be a challenge. Using Polo to dump the lot and attempt to share it out is not the way to do it! ::)

This industry is pure fiction

Ethereum is ran like a third world country.  Corruption / theft / embezzlement is rife in Ethereum, nobody seems to care enough to protest or to withdraw, and the comedy gold / popcorn munching continues unabated.  ;D

OK now I think the coin will be in trouble but this is my first consolidation of this and its only after this latest news

Yeah, that's what strikes me the most, nobody cares, judged by the exchange rates.
Too much money involved I guess...

where's our minecache friend with his etc = criminalcoin line? I haven't seen him writing it for at least 12 hours now. I miss it.

So if this ETC will be frozen in both exchanger than we may see a pure pump on ETC price as there was always a fear in community that ETH foundation could just dumped all ETC they have to pump the ETH and now it seems they fails to do so and their funds frozen. Thanks to poloniex and kraken.

Minecache usually gets missing for a while when Ethereum stumbles :)

This doesn't surprise me from a motivation standpoint, but I am surprised at this from a logistical standpoint. How in the blue fuck was this going to work? Surely they didn't think they would be able to slide a shitton of tainted coins into a MAJOR EXCHANGE without someone freezing? Furthermore, said exchange would be brain-dead if it allowed them to crash that market, which is probably earning them a great deal of quid atm. This was a bold, bold misstep. And those funds are gonna be tied up forever. They certainly can't send them back; they are going to have to be released to a third party and I feel the authorities are going to get wrapped up in this eventually. This is shady icing on a suspicious cake they have been building since the first blatant conflicts of interest arose in this saga.

Well, I'm prolly gonna invest in ETC now. They just removed a major uncertainty, I hope the price doesn't hype surge before I position. Gotta move some money to the blockchain.

oh no. why did they ever thought that they can get away with it when all transactions are being tracked. Its no surprising that Ethereum foundation  won't respond to this allegation for its the truth.

because the hard fork left people wondering which was up, no one knew if ETH or ETC was the piano that was going to fall on your head

That's funny. A site created few days ago has 2 news title since release, and both of them FUD ethereum. Am i the only one that finds that weird ? They're so good at investigating they're the only ones that found that. I mean, not even barry silvert's puppet site, coindesk, didnt publish such FUD. Not to mention there's no evidence in linking ETH foundation to whitehat attackers.

http://themerkle.com/white-hat-hackers-caught-red-handed-during-attempted-etc-sell-off/

is this one any good for satisfying you? it's been around for a while now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4xasg3/follow_up_statement_on_the_etc_salvaged_from/

and here they are on r/ethereum itself. guess you might want more convincing but I've done all I can.

Yeah right they are making a new path again to get attract people back again.. this is the worst altcoin that i experience this year..
Its more violated than government.

I never questioned wether or not "whitehats" tried or not to sell, i dont know and dont care. But there arent proofs eth foundation is linked with them.

Odd then that Developer Alex Van de Sande, lead designer for the Ethereum Foundation was the first to announce the draining of the DAO by the whitehats:

https://twitter.com/avsa/status/745313647514226688

http://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-developers-draining-dao/

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/ethereum-devs-hack-the-hacker-price-skyrockets/

As i recall that was one of the many options at that moment, stall untill hard fork happened. And anyone with knowledge could drain the DAO, from being one of the many that wanted to counter the initial attacker to the one that owns the funds, well theres a very very long way. So is there anything that ties ethereum developers to that except for these speculations ? Because there could be 1000 different people that posted as "whitehat" attacker.
Theres nothing in your links that  prooves anything, aside for speculations. If any developer from foundation tried to drain the dao before the hacker atacked again, or any other hacker trying to replicate the first atack, by your logic it means automatically he/she owns the other ~7mil ether ?

And, i couldn't care less if whitehats dump the ETC, going with most people from ETC chain logic, they earned it.

Nothing unless the Ethereum foundation is investigated and their connections to the white hat group is proven.

All the exchanges that have ETC and ETH listed should freeze all funds that are deposited to them from the known addresses of the white hat hackers. Any movement of these funds should be made public and must be followed diligently.

and since alex van de sande admited he gave them his tokens to do the white hat hack
he knows there names
he was in contact with them he had to give them acess to his tokens.

thats the red line to follow. then we will get names !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats the thing the only conection is alex van de sande
he said we drained it
who is we?
he sais now he wasnt involved but he gave them his tokens.
who is them ?

this is crypto world

thanks for sharing this here.
I had a suspicion that Ethereum foundation and the whales generally who have invested a lot of time and effort to pump ETH to the moon will not stay around silent forever while their manipulated coin ETH is dying. I was actually waiting for them to start dumping ETC to push its price down and show it as weak to others while they pump ETH themselves.

good on poloniex for freezing their scam money.

That is correct, but we now know that there is no distinction between the "white hats" and the "DAO hacker".  They are the same kind of people.  The irony is that the so-called white hats were associated (even remotely) with the ETH foundation, which went to hardfork ETC into ETH for exactly the purpose of undoing what they are now shown to do in any case.

This kills off the little bit of "moral high ground" that the ETH foundation and their "white hat collaborators" assigned themselves, namely "undoing theft even if that means giving up our own engagements of immutability".  In other words, the authors of the ETH hard fork are now found to adhere to the same principles of functioning as the DAO hacker and ETC, while their whole forking business was based upon their claim to be "of a different morality".

In fact the red line one can find in the ETH movement is that, even more than the DAO hacker, ANYTHING goes: not just playing by the hidden tricks in the game, but even altering the game, lying and cheating, as long as one can profit.

In fact, the ETH foundation has played "trustlessness" on an even higher level than was originally anticipated in trustless games.  Brilliant !

Yes. That is a good point. Vitalik and the Ethereum foundation are done. Their peers in the cryptosphere now do not look at them in high regard anymore. It also goes the same for the other developers like Tual of slock.it. Their careers are over. They should go back wherever they came from coding accounting software or something. Crypto must only be by the real coders not poser profiteers.

Very funny :D ! What makes it solid is the consensus of miners behind it. One miner, if he withdraws, don't make the pile of card get down. So he stays. That's individualism that make it solid in the miners. Then, people got used to the high prices, so if price fall, they will buy en masse and make it more solid.

Now that the news is out that ETH whales are trying to dump ETC, more people will stop buying ETH. The whales have made themselves publicly known as schemers.

Wow  :o glad I got out from that coin.. not going to touch it again

Yup. This website was created 2 days ago purely to spread disgusting vile FUD about ETH and yet again the ETC criminal coin supporters fall for it like fools.

I think it could good to sell the ETC to the people who believe and want it. That will be action taken by the hackers in late August.

selling ETC to people who want it is so different than dumping ETC on the market so the price crashes.

the first one is a good thing and it is already happening without anyone getting in the middle of it.

but the second is called manipulation and it is wrong and in fact it is illegal in many countries to manipulate the market price this way.

Do you have any evidence about what "most people" believe?

Well everyone I speak to thinks the same. The white hats are the gud guys in all this. FFS

bla bla bla...no matter how you are trying to spin it, the ETH foundation have proved themselves to be thieving little muppets............END OF

Mindcrash is in bed, trying to recover from a serious case of cognitive dissonance.

The recent revelation, that his heroes in the EF/RHG stole millions of dollars worth of DAO investors' ETC and (clumsily) tried to launder them into exchanges for market manipulation purposes only to have them frozen when lawyers got involved, must have been a bit much for him to take.

Meanwhile, let's remember the good old days back before mindcrash got completely fucking REKT.

https://i.imgur.com/SYw6sDT.jpg

 ;D

Oh my, what delicious phrasing!

The best part is we may still anticipate the cherry on top, and perhaps a side of ice scream as well.   ;)

ETH vs ETC is a battle for the soul and future of smart contracts.  If there is one thing Satoshi might use His coins to change, this is it...

Now that the brave, heroic DAO "rescue" has turned into catastrophe and scandal, nobody will admit having anything to do with the RHG.

Confucius say, "Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan."

Good point.

ETC supports unstoppable code running on an immutable ledger, which is what the ICO investors were sold.

ETH is Calvinball, where even the rules for changing the rules are in constant flux.

https://i.imgur.com/lZQHJmO.gif

Do you think the 3.6 million DAO ETC hacker should return the stolen DAO ETC to the original holders?

the ethereum foundation is the real thiefs here not the hacker of DAO. the hacker only hacked once because the code was weak but the foundation is robbin all of us every day with their manipulation.

i wonder where are all those users who were calling ETC the criminals coin? now who is doing criminal act?

 :D

ROFL !

Indeed !  One can hardly illustrate the whole circus any better !

this wont suprise me :)

I'd prefer the hacker use his ETC to fund ETC development.  Or dump it all into ETC supporters' stronger hands.

Better yet, burn all the DAO ETC.  It's not about money, it's about sending a message.

(joker.png)

The EF is digging its own grave. I just wait when they will switich to PoS. This will be a disasture, based on EF recent track record:

Involvment in DAO - failed
Soft fork - failed
Hard fork - failed
Selling ETC coins - failed

Dont need to be genious what will happen with PoS.

And the pathetic part is it was designed that way and obvious at launch in 2014.

You all would dive on "Beat an old lady to death for her pension check with a shoe Coin"

...If it was pumped and you thought you would profit from it.

This is no exaggeration.

Crypto is dead as a door nail.
This is pointless bullshit.
You all do not grasp the context of it all and the horrendous track record that mounts.
..Like a massive volcano of scam.

You think you can simply chant on well this scammy ass ICO coin is legit so uhhh we'll just ignore everything else.

It's utterly retarded beyond comprehension !

This whole entire "Coin" industry is a bad joke gone wrong.
Like one where you use donated money to buy a $45,000.00 Nascar paint job that does nothing.

Or a famous escrow guy who lies his ass off after collecting your BTC's then hides playing CS:GO
Then starts lying his ass off covering his tracks when he is threatened to get doxed by Theymos etc.

Or when i warned users like Crazy all over Crypto about GOX like a year before they went down.
And how you corrupt greedy scammy fucks simply "made scammy work"
..by launching Bitcoinbuilder.


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I think you make a mistake in calling this "a horrendous track record".

On the contrary: this is pure, beautiful freedom.

Humans (like all living beings) are made to rip off one another, and freedom means that anybody can rip off anybody else on a perfectly fair and equal level.  All forms of formal organisation (state, law, ....) are meant to classify people into a small elite that has power to rip off the large majority.  Crypto is one of the few places where the power to rip off others is equally shared amongst us all.  This is, as I said, the beautiful thing of crypto for the moment: the regain of freedom (to rip off one another), against the slavery to be ripped off by the elite.

You are a cliche..

I have dealt with your dipshitery here for YEARS guys..
All i have to do is fire up my Rolodex and and find which awesome Spoetnik retort i want to fire off at ya.

KIDS(most of you): Rolodex is what people used in the old days to store phone numbers (pen & paper)

I really have heard it all before here LOL

Don't waste my time.. come up with a new scammy dipshit shitcoin scene defense retort..
You fucking bore me.

ya.. about as beautiful as watching a prison riot and assholes murdering each other and setting fires etc.
Hey here is a brilliant idea i just thought of JUST NOW all you stupid ass scammy fucking kidiot retards..
Strap this on your dick-holsters ;)

Let's convince all the major govt's etc to abolish ALL regulations for any of the world's stock / trade markets.
THEN let's let out Berni Madoff & friends from jail and clear them of wrong doing
and then proclaim them all "Free Market" visionaries.. of this oh so "beautiful" system.

Imagine that ROFL

Don't forget to vote in November profiteers..
Martha Stewart for President 2016
She has that classy "insider trading" integrity LOL

me ?
I am voting Berni Madoff  8)

PS:
Make another shitcoin guys.. we only have thousands of them.
Hey i got an idea !
Let's make a coin that replaces FIAT but you need FIAT to -BUY- it hahhahahahhah ahahhahahahah hahahaha
It's so clever no one will catch on that it can't work !

Do you all ever get a whiff of the stupidity here on the forum ?
Someone for the love of god open a window it reeks like 'Tard in here.

ANywayz ;)
I am hungry.. gonna head down to the corner store and "Free Market" myself a chocolate bar.
It will be beautiful tasting !!!1111ONE

Don't liekmy comment ?
Go make a DAPP about it.. i know i know what's a DAPP ?
LOL
Ya uhhhh that thing which is the reason for ETH/ETC existing? derpppty derperty derrppeeeeety derp

ETC was never 1/3 ETH. Game over.

You are right. I did not see the price of ETC is over 1/3 of the ETH. I saw a few moments, it was 20%.

thank you for confirming. The FUD spread by the criminal coin supporters is disgusting and we need to challenge it at every corner.

At a certain point, it was very close, when ETC was 3 dollars, and ETH was around 9 dollars.
But essentially, ETC is oscillating between about 1/8 of ETH and 1/4 ETH.

I think the ETC price is still somewhat high, because after all it has the same fundamental problem as ETH: it supports a ridiculous idea of turing-complete smart contracts (of which the DAO illustrated the idiocy).  What I can't get my mind wrapped around, is the price of ETH.  What are all these ETH holders expecting, now that not only the fundamental idea of ethereum has proved to be ridiculous, but moreover, now that they have a compromised mutable and stoppable chain ?

It is certainly not the "currency" usage of ETH that keeps the price up (what black market uses ETH as its currency ?).  I can understand that people buy bitcoin at $500, because there is still the dream that one day, a bitcoin might be $ 2000 or so.  But what people think that ETH will go over, say, $15 ?  It went over it when the dream of the DAO was still alive, but that's now shown as a silly idea which no big investor will ever touch again.  So what are they hoping for ?

Indeed.  Sheer, uttermost, blinding beautiful freedom.

True freedom.  No more "crime".  If it can be done, it will be done, and it is then allowed to be done.  If it shouldn't be done, then it must be impossible to be done.  Like the laws of nature.  There' no "crime" in the laws of nature: you simply can't violate them, and if you can do it, by definition you don't violate them.

I would surely love it.

This is what happens when you trust a twig to do a trees work

I am sure you will use another account here to bitch & whine when you get ripped off and cry scam and beg for the cops to come with laws to save your precious FIAT profit losses  :D

..too busy to do this again with you.
 
Didn't you hear ?

THEY FORKED STEEM so. It's LEGIT NOW !!

Can't talk too busy buying coins.. profit is all mine suckers !!!111

They are assholes, fortunately poloniex is very awesome! Poloe prevented the etc blood day. ;D

Of course not.  I don't do crypto trading.  I am in it for the anarchist principles and the technology, but apart from some bitcoin from long ago, I only play with pocket money on crypto (a few tens of dollars a month).  I wouldn't want to make money with it, because my kids would profit from it and I don't want them to.  I want do die with only debt.  Then I know I have not given more than I obtained and enjoyed my freedom to the maximum :)

Crowdjury - Justice For All

crowdjury.org/ (http://crowdjury.org/)

Bullshit.
Know how i know ?
All your previous comments betray your little defense here.

You are just another one of "them" (Self-Destructive Sleazy Profiteers)
Don't believe me people ?
Look at his post history here.

All you all do is spin bullshit for profit here.

Why not make "Lower The Bar" coin then ICO it ?
Each time someone says some dumb ass blatantly stupid Shill comment and lowers the bar more..
he can get rewarded with more pointless ponzi ICO scam tokens (he can dump later for Bitcoin)  :D

I really don't.  Each month, I take about $50 to play with on crypto.  Not more.  I used (long long ago) to buy bitcoin but I have now an agreement with my family that I won't do that any more (too bad for them, but hey, I don't care, I have enough money for myself to do what I want to do, which is not needing much money).

For full disclosure: I own 4 (four) ETH, and some 30 (thirty) ETC.  In fact, I owned 10 (ten) ETH I bought for fun, and after the fork, I decided to split the value evenly over both chains.  This is just for playing.  I do not expect anything from it, except losing most of its value.  I consider the money I put in it lost, like the money other people put in cigarettes, because in order to run the stuff for real, you need to own some stuff for real, but I'm not putting any "savings" in it.
I own a lot of small amounts of other coins, because I bought some to play with the system.
I own a small company that does consulting, and cryptography and security in general is part of the services I sell, so I see myself obliged in "playing" with it to keep up to date.  I won't disclose that company here.

I do run (empty) full nodes of several cryptocurrencies, including bitcoin, because I believe in the principles of distributed systems, and because I need to keep up with it.  I even run nodes for crypto I don't have any of, like primecoin, because I find it a nice concept.

Personally, I think "making profit with currencies" is a stupid concept, although it is perfectly well possible to do so at the expense of your peers.

I read that Poloniex is consulting with their lawyer to decide what to do about the froze ETC token, any update on this so as to help to decide what to do with my ETC token

This is a crazy idea, because it supposes the existence of state and law, but then goes on to do trials in a distributed way.  That's contradictory.  The state exists to oppress and extort people, and law and justice are just two tools part of that system, so it will never be compatible with such an uncontrolled crowd system.  The "reading of the law" is part of the system, and has to be done by state-approved agents (judges).

I think that Poloniex is making the same "error" as the Ethereum foundation, namely by having an a priori neutral platform make "moral decisions" they get involved.  Ethereum was not involved in the DAO problem as long as it was neutral.  By getting involved, ETH is now mixed in with all the hassle and failure of the DAO.   Poloniex was just an exchange, and is now acting as a judge over what is right and what is wrong.  They will end up in deep doodoo if they are not careful.

This is like a phone company suddenly not allowing conversations or altering conversations because the content of the conversation is immoral/illegal according to them.  From the moment they do that, they become responsible for all content.

They kinda got dragged into this. Since bitcoin doesn't have a central regulatory body, they can't turn the coins over to a third party until a decision is made; since they now possess the coins, they are legally liable for who they release the funds to. Can't send it back for obvious reasons. This may even be stolen property. They are playing it safe, and for the crisis it prevented, I can't be mad at that.

..and justice for all ?
Is it 1988 again ?
and Who will draw the "The Shortest Straw" ?

http://www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metallica-and-Justice-for-All.jpg

I think we all got a bit off topic here  :D

@Dino
i don't mean to single you out so much as highlight everyone.
Support is support and profit is profit.
Being a shill is being a shill  :D

People side step morality here to profit.
I think it wasn't an issue long ago but it's mounting to ridiculous levels.

You all have any bloody idea how many times i have heard..
"I don't support <coin name> i just mine/dump it" (or trade it for profit) ?
LOTS !
And i mean LOOOOOOOTS !

Got a guy logged on the ETH IRC channel saying exactly that..
He said he don't like it or support but that he mines it, then dumps them.
Just what in the god damn hell do you all think "support" is ?
Where the hell is the common sense people ?

What happens to a coin if no one mines them then sends them to Poloniex to sell ?
It fucking dies !

And why did that ETH IRC guy say that ?
Well for one thing it's because "Butters" tacked on mining after the fact in an attempt to make the coin more legit.
Even though it was nothing but another shitty ass scammy heap of ICO bullshit.
And an extra scammy one to boot !
Did IRC boy care ?

As long as he can keep mining them and dumping them then no he doesn't
And he accepts NO responsibility for any of it all.
Then quickly points the finger at others.
Well.. it's all them ..not me !
I am not a supporter.. i only profit from it etc etc.

Have at 'er guys.
See what it gets you.

Want to watch it implode as you struggle more & more to scrape together a few bucks profit per month ?
Keep it up.

Just think of what *could have been* if you were not sacrificing all of Crypto for peanuts / chump change / pennies.

In this free market system i seen years ago we had a problem brewing..
If each user thinks it's ok to only get a tiny little bit sleazy / scammy for profits.
Then the combined sum total is a one fuck-ton of scammyness !
I started cashing out fast  :D

Nothing has changed at all.
Same old cliche'd circle jerk of crypto-dipshitery and the same brick wall is fast approaching.
And the Catalyst will be a sudden wall of regulations and arrests etc that come that have been looming.

What ever.. i said years ago and have been proven correct..
All you all do is point the finger at someone else.
Cloning SCRYPT coins was all the rage and the guys doing it are still here.
Now playing dumb like they were not doing it before.
And they will all gladly pop up here spouting off like they have some cred in the scene.
It was always someone else pulling all this bullshit.. oh no it wasn't me LOL

Like a guy who made a cloning guide(s) as he said in the forward of it "for fun & profit"
A scene FULL of fun & profiteers and when it goes to shit ..you hide !
You guys ALWAYS do.
I never did see Shakezulu show his face here since.
Where did the legions of Doge "Supporters" go ? etc.

Talking shit and Crying FUD for bucks $$$
All on a digital pyramid scheme system designed & engineered to make Bitcoin profits.
..nothing more.

I believe that the most famous persons behind ETH and ETC are currently Vitalik Buterin and Barry Silbert. I'm not sure why, but lately they are both too silent on Twitter.

Anyway, are there other articles/statements to support the OP's claim?

It is all over reddit. I believe someone from the Ethereum foundation answered some queries over there or something. I'm not sure.

Vitalik and many others have already said they will be 100% on the Ethereum ETH, they will have nothing to do with ETC.

there error is selfjustic just like ethereeum did they have to do a report
thell law enforcment why they had frozen the acounts and leave it to them
but it seems no one in crypto wants to do that.

Then return the ETC owned by the DAO holders. There are people from the Ethereum foundation and slock.it who are involved in the white gate hacking group. If they really intended to have nothing to do with ETC then why did they attempt to dump ETC on Poloniex and Kraken. You can read more about it here https://medium.com/@jackfru1t/the-robin-hood-group-and-etc-bdc6a0c111c3#.jgy1h5vfg

Like the OP you are posting complete lies and FUD. Vitalik is tweeting at least 4 times a day.

It's absolutely vile and disgusting how forum members keep posting downright lies as if truth.

They quite rightly don't want to be associated with the ETC criminal coin. I support this moral stance like any rightminded person would.

https://i.imgur.com/zgOzgV0.png

You are not Minecache, you are Dum Dum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-gPqfZI-r8

That could be right. The main problem of the ETC is that it is a criminal coin. Otherewise , it is the same as other clones.

Is  Barry Silbert a whale??  I don't know much about twitter storms.  I know the recent troll about "I never sell one ETC blablabla"

Barry Silbert ‏@barrysilbert  Aug 7
1/ Setting the record straight:
1) I've sold 0 ETC
2) I've bought and am buying more
3) I do not intend to personally sell until ETC>ETH

but why do your "rightminded persons" now need the assistance of a lawyer to give back the white hat hack coins?
and none of us keeping quwestioning there acts do need one ?

Twitter has nothing to do if the Barry Silbert is a whale or not. He is a basically a Bitcoin whale, but he recently confessed that the first coin (after Bitcoin), which he bought was ETC.


Duh, simple! Minecache is among the people who needs medical assistance and a lawyer would be helpless in his situation. He will rule out every which does not include "I love ETH".

When Barry declared that he bought is first altcoin with ETC then it says a lot more of how he hates ETH than the love he has for ETC. It is an act of sending the Ethereum foundation a message that there are people in the Bitcoin community that are willing to support the original chain to express that they are against rolling back, tweaking, and changing transaction histories in blockchains. I believe Charles Hoskinson is also of the same mindset when he declared and committed to his full support of ETC even he says he is in it for academic purposes.

I think it's interesting how mining was tacked on to the scammy ICO coin
and no one complained..

Fork it and all hell broke loose  :D

Interesting huh ?

Litecoin's creator Charlie Lee was also against the hard fork. I think back in 2014 he said that LTC will never be hard forked. Chandler Guo is another serious ETC supporter. He first threatened ETC with a 51% attack, but looks like he recently is backing it up.

I don't understand how Poloniex can decide to freeze funds that were 'stolen'?
They chose to allow ETC, which is a similar situation, surely if they are being laissez-faire, they shouldn't freeze anything!

Do they now sit on these coins, or return then?

I agree with that PoV.

how is it a simular situation ?
the black hat hack coins have not been moved to the exchange as far as i know.


and etherfork did know there is the posibility that the fork ends in 2 chains. and 2 coins. the new one Ether fork and the old one still same as befor fork etc. vitalik and co did know about that risk. vitalik as i understand was involved a lot in the discution on bitcoin for or not fork . where all this risks where discust.
its also if you have not real consensu means all down to the basis do agree to the fork a fork will always end in 2 chains. its called a faild fork as i understand it. but its basic blockchain technique i was told.

so why would etc be the bad coin ? just becouse it refuses to die ?


and let see waht polo does if the black hat hacker wants to sell there.
id say freeze it and report it. where i live it selling or helping to sell stolen goods is  a crime- fencing or handling of stolen goods.

therefor what polo did is legal

now they have to tell what is the next step
do they report ?
cant give it back to the hacker for sure

Now we know for sure : when the hacker will try to dump on exchange the founds will be frozen.

so no dump on 2nd of September, this is clear.

The point of view, which I support, is that if you agree with letting block chains and so on run as they are intended to run (ETC, immutability,...), then you shouldn't interfere either with people wanting to exchange coins, and remain neutral.  So indeed, why did Poloniex support ETC, but then turns around and starts judging whether certain coins are "theft" ?  That doesn't make sense.  If you go for immutability and running block chains as intended, you should also not "colour coins" and be picky about what people did to obtain them, right ?

no sorry i think you mess up something.
the blockchain is imutable
exchanges are biz and have to optain the rules of the real world like SEC or LAW.

The hacker will be smart. He might mix the ETC before he sends the ETC to exchanges. He might do it out of exchanges.

I think Poloniex do not want to be convicted of knowingly handling stolen funds.  They are bound by KYC (Know Your Customer) regulations.  If they had stolen funds previously, they could argue "plausible deniability" because the story wasn't out.
It is in the hands of lawyers now so there will be an investigation.  It could take years to resolve and get those funds back to their rightful owners.

The investigation could take months. And if the ETC is not sold out, it might become worthless when the other hacker dumps.

Poloniex owners will not allow their exchange to be used as an escape route by people known to have funds that are known to be acquired in a questionable way. That will be bad for their reputation and they will risk having their exchange rated low by the community. It might also make their customers leave the site.

The reason why the exchanges allowed ETC is because the volume is good and it is profitable for them. But allowing the attacker to use their exchange will not be good for them. It is a simple business decision.

The coins they have from the white hate hackers should be held for now and they should consult with a lawyer.

I don't think there will be any funds left if etc price is low and the lawyers eat it all up with legal fees.  That might be good for etc though.

Basically you have until the 2nd September to dump all your ETC criminal coins before the criminal does.

This is a clear warning.

These "funds" are not "stolen" in the sense that you could get into legal trouble with it.  In order for them to be stolen, they have to be reported stolen, and declared stolen by some or other authority.  In order for that to happen, a lot has to happen.  Because these funds didn't "belong" to anybody.  They were data on a distributed ledger or, at best, they were owned by a legally non-existing entity, the "DAO", which has no legal structure AT ALL, with no representatives, no moral declaration etc...

So the DAO hacked funds are way way way from being legally declared "stolen", and hence, handling "fungible" coins on an exchange which remains neutral to these issues wouldn't put them in the slightest bit of legal difficulty.

The only genuine holders of property, in as much as this is even legally recognized, are DAO TOKENS which belong to the people holding the secret keys, or exchanges holding these secret keys for them.  But DAO tokens were never stolen.

But "stealing coins from a legally non-existent entity" is something that is food for lawyers and judges (in what jurisdiction ?) for years, and in my opinion, the illegal character of a venture capitalist structure without legal declaration is probably much more of a problem for the DAO owners, than having the coins declared stolen from their illegal structure (in as much as it has to exist to even possess something).  In far most jurisdictions, it is legally forbidden to set up something like a venture capitalist firm without going through a whole lot of legally obliged stuff.  The DAO didn't do that and was hence an illegal company in most jurisdictions.   As such, it would be extremely difficult for a non-existent, non-represented, and mostly illegal entity to go and claim justice without getting a lot of troubles in return.

This is much more reasonable.  Poloniex doesn't want to risk the lucrative business around ETC to be damaged by too much shady dumping which may get them being seen in a less positive daylight by their customers.

Hacker will pump ETC hard before selling, its way too cheap now. Also he hates Vitalik so he will try to make ETC go high enough to start creating doubt in ETH just for shits and giggles.
There's no way he will dump at this cheap price.

oh yeah, they said, so we should believe and forget this idea..  ::)

These guys are just opportunists. Being involved with Bitcoin = negative moral authority...
To be blunt, no major high tech project in history has had sleazier players than BTC.

And ETH is clinging to it's market value by it's fingernails... because vaporware is a lottery ticket.

It is difficult to say that the Ethereum is vaporware. It has very good community support and the market cap is about $1 billion.

What a shit show cluster fuck of idiocy here on every damn topic and comment LOL  :D

Legal ?

Are you fucking kidding me ?

There is way too many brain dead greedy retarded noobs in Crypto.. RUNNING IT !

Polo is a sleazy ass pile of shit.
All they ever do is what serves them (makes them look good with the majority)
While they make money in a FREE MARKET LAWLESS SYSTEM

What part of Free Market your all chanting don't you get ?
It means they can scam it up as much as they want and you all can't say shit about it.

ETH is a scam.
What is there to debate about ?

Oh sorry i forgot.. YOU PROFITS  ::)

The Poloniex did not return the ETC to me when they lend out my ETH before the hard fork. So I think it is not a good exchange.