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Monero Classic is a project to keep the original censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized Monero

Classic aims to push for adoption accross all darknet markets, being the gold-standard. Currently in the works is a fresh darknet market being setup with Monero Classic as the sole currency to be exchanged. With popular DNM vendors coming on-board, this is the first strike for success.


Monero Classic(XMC) is a privacy-focused cryptocurrency that is not based on Bitcoin's code. There will be a 7 day crowfund held at http://moneroclassic.tech

Monero Classic aims to be a fungible and untraceable digital medium of exchange. It intrinsically has a higher degree of privacy than Bitcoin or any of its various forks. It was launched on August 29, 2016.


Features

• Untraceable payments
• Unlinkable transactions
• Blockchain analysis resistance
• Adaptive parameters

Academic and Theory

Monero Classic's functionality is backed up by academic research and cryptographically proven schemes. Much of this research is done by the Monero Research Lab. Since Monero Classic was initially based on the CryptoNote protocol, the CryptoNote whitepaper is also an invaluable reference for validating Monero Classic's unlinkability and untraceability claims.

• The CryptoNote Whitepaper (https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf)
• Initial Review of the CryptoNote Whitepaper (http://downloads.getmonero.org/whitepaper_review.pdf)
• MRL-0001: A Note on Chain Reactions in Traceability in CryptoNote 2.0 (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf)
• MRL-0002: Counterfeiting via Merkle Tree Exploits within Virtual Currencies Employing the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0002.pdf)
• MRL-0003: Monero Classic is Not That Mysterious (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0003.pdf)
• MRL-0004: Improving Obfuscation in the CryptoNote Protocol (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf)
• MRL-0005: Ring Signature Confidential Transactions (https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0005.pdf)

Specifications

• PoW algorithm: CryptoNight [1]
• Max supply: Infinite (see note below) [2]
• Block reward: Smoothly varying [3]
• Block time: 120 seconds
• Difficulty: Retargets at every block

[1] CPU + GPU mining (about 1:1 performance for now). Memory-bound by design using AES encryption and several SHA-3 candidates.
[2] Initial number of atomic units is M = 2⁶⁴ - 1. However, once the block reward reaches 0.3 XMC per minute (sometime in 2022) that is treated as the minimum subsidy, which means that Monero Classic's total emission will forever increase by ~157680 XMC annually.
[3] Uses a recurrence relation. Block reward = (M - A) * 2^-20 * 10^-12, where A = current circulation. Roughly 86% mined in 4 years (see graph (https://i.imgur.com/lDqIdyd.png)).


Crowdfund

a total of 12,769,305 XMC will  be available in a 7 day crowdsale, you may participate with the link below. Approx ~100btc will be raised. Wallets will be available upon crowdsale completion. A total of 12,769,305 XMC will be available during this period.

http://moneroclassic.tech/ (http://moneroclassic.tech/)



FAQ
For a longer FAQ, check Community FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721045)

What is CryptoNote?
CryptoNote is the technology that allows creation of privacy-centric cryptocurrencies. You can visit their website here. The level of anonymity provided by CryptoNote isn't possible with Bitcoin code base by design. Bytecoin (BCN) was the CryptoNote reference implementation, and XMC is based on BCN's code.

Two of the main features of CryptoNote are ring signatures that mask sender identities by mixing and one-time keys that make transactions unlinkable. Their combined effect gives a high degree of anonymity without any extra effort on the part of the user.

Unlike Bitcoin, your funds are not held in the address you give out to others. Instead, every time you receive a payment it goes to an unlinkable address generated with random numbers. When you decide to spend the funds in that one-time address, the amount will be broken down and the components will be indistinguishable from identical outputs in the blockchain.

For example if 556.44 XMC are sent, the protocol will break it down into 500 + 50 + 6 + 0.4 + 0.04 and a ring signature will be performed with other 500's, 50's, 6's, 0.4's, and 0.04's in the blockchain. Unlike the "CoinJoin" mixing method, CryptoNote mixes outputs not transactions. This means no other senders need to be participating with you at the same time or with the same amounts. Any arbitrary amount sent at any time can always be rendered fundamentally indistinguishable (a mathematical proof is given in the white paper).

The degree of anonymity is also a choice rather than decided by the protocol: do you want to be hidden as one among five or one among fifty? The size of the signature grows linearly as O(n+1) with the ambiguity so greater anonymity is paid for with higher fees to miners.

Ring signatures are explained below. Reproduced from CryptoNote:

A normal signature looks like this. There's only one participant, which allows one-to-one mapping.

https://i.imgur.com/dcbDq05.png

A ring signature obscures identities because it only proves that a signer belongs to a group.

https://i.imgur.com/avTQPnT.png

This allows a high level of anonymity in cryptocurrency transactions. You can think of it as decentralized and trustless mixing.

https://i.imgur.com/ioewLSY.png

How does this compare to other anonymous solutions?
Ring signatures originate from the work of Rivest et al. in 2001 and the implementation in CryptoNote relies in particular on Fujisaki and Suzuki's work on traceable ring signatures. There are two other anonymity implementations currently available or in development. One is ZeroCoin/ZeroCash's use of zero-knowledge proofs. The others are based on gmaxwell's CoinJoin idea (such as mixing services for Bitcoin or the altcoin Darkcoin).

1. Comparison with ZeroCoin and ZKP-based approaches:
You can read about ZeroCoin and zero-knowledge proofs (ZKP) here. The ZK environment allows an anonymity set that includes everyone in the network because the validity of an output can be proven without knowing the corresponding public key until it is spent. The largest risk is that this is recent research-level cryptography that hasn't been subjected to years of cryptanalysis, so exploits may emerge down the road. Ring signatures are much simpler and more mature, with many peer-reviewed papers published over more than a decade.

Other issues with ZKP include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party. It also obscures the entire economy, not just sender/receiver identities. If the ZK system is compromised, then an attacker can continuously spend coins that don't exist using false proofs. This damage is hidden from everybody due to total blinding and consequently at any given time it's not possible to know if the network has already been compromised. There is a tradeoff between these inherent risks and the maximal anonymity set provided by ZKP. CryptoNote aims for a different balance through the dual layers of privacy provided by one-time keys and ring signatures.

2. Comparison with CoinJoin-based approaches:
XMC is more qualitatively similar to mixing implementations like CoinJoin. The differences arise in the departure from the Bitcoin protocol, which allows XMC to use new cryptography to provide decentralized and trustless mixing of superior quality. The critical problem with mixing services is the need to trust the operators. As an example, blockchain.info's mixer gives the following disclaimer: "However if the server was compromised or under subpoena it could be force to keep logs. If this were to happen although you haven't gained any privacy you haven't lost any either."

The CoinJoin-inspired Darkcoin performs mixing with selected "masternodes" since it still uses ordinary signatures that can be mapped one-to-one. The motivation is that a randomly selected node is less likely than a single service to exhibit bad faith (such as keeping logs) . In practice, a few VPS companies host the vast majority of nodes and this approach relies on the integrity and good behavior of these nodes. XMC's more fundamental cryptographic approach doesn't have these vulnerabilities and the quality of anonymity is much higher.

XMC's ring signatures are also far more secure and convenient than CoinJoin because they mix outputs not transactions. This means a transaction doesn't involve waiting around for other senders to mix with. Nor is a user restricted to mixing only if others are sending the same amount. Arbitrary amounts can be sent at any time without anyone else's participation. This feature makes a timing analysis of the blockchain useless.

Overview of a transaction
Bob decides to spend an output, which was sent to the one-time public key. He needs Extra (1), TxOutNumber (2), and his Account private key (3) to recover his one-time private key (4).

When sending a transaction to Carol, Bob generates its Extra value by random (5). He uses Extra (6), TxOutNumber (7) and Carol's Account public key (8) to get her Output public key (9).

In the input Bob hides the link to his output among the foreign keys (10). To prevent double-spending he also packs the Key image, derived from his One-time private key (11).

Finally, Bob signs the transaction, using his One-time private key (12), all the public keys (13) and Key Image (14). He appends the resulting Ring Signature to the end of the transaction (15).

https://i.imgur.com/QFMVqRI.png

Reserved.

For 100% I will watch this !

LMAO, CROWDFUNDING?? NO WAY

Congrats on forming your own research lab! Please note, though, that you will need to correctly attribute publications from the Monero Research Lab to them, you cannot reattribute them to yourself.

Edit: just to be clear, this post was facetious, meant to highlight the copy-paste content. I do not endorse cryptocurrency crowdsales, as they end up as scams 99.9% of the time. In addition, part of the reason that Monero has become at all successful is because we had no crowdsale, no premine, no instamine. We've spent 2.5 years slowly working on it, without pay.

I can tell you right now the crowdsale wont last a week, most likely sell out tonight  ;)

Getting on this, not missing anither ETC style moonpump


EDIT: stock on crowdsale just went from 12,769,305 to 11,964,200.... Ohhh boy this is going to sell out.

Appreciate the kind words. All monero publications will be correctly attributed, as we respect monero in all its glory.

Why would such a coin be usefull ?

It is same way as ETc, but as far as i known, ETH Classic has been created because ETH had been forked after DAO hacked...

So, why? ???

Really? Monero Classic, hoping for a similar story to ETC by any chance? good luck with this but I will just watch this time around.

This project have escrow.

so when is this going to be added on the exchanges?
I'm not sure if it would still get much support like how ETC did back then. but it would be great if it can still have more supporters so a pump would be great . :)

Monero Classic is a project to keep the original censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized Monero, XMC runs without a centralized controlled board of decision makers.

From 11million available to under 9million in under an hour.. Ohhhh boy.. How fast can it sell out

http://moneroclassic.tech/
Wordpress hosted site with simple ecommerce script, what to expect from this project?
Where are the dev teams, even you don't have good ICO webpage designer? No escrow and ICO for 100 btc, i think better to stay away.

LOL, maybe noobs buying, or maybe OP buys it. God knows. ;)

unknown Dev, 8000sat/XMC , 100BTC ICO.
we need more info.........

pool?

Watching !

MoneroClassic.org is available, send me a pm !

any translation bounties dev?

Wow! This takes some balls!

On principle alone you will NEVER get a penny from me!

I'm prepared to purchase this domain from you under the right circumstances, please send me a PM with an offer on what you would expect in remuneration.



Not currently sorry, this will be a future todo, once we are well established.


I do appreciate the support, i encourage users to wait until the initial wallet release and first exchange to decide whether they wish to invest or not, of course crowdsale will be over, but fundamentals will be clearer.

This is a long term project/goal. There will be no premine and a ledger of distributed bitcoin sales will be posted publicly on the main site and also a link in the ANN.

Pm sent with the price, waiting your offer :). 

So what did the original Monero do for a classic to be needed? Also etc had exchange support from the start, does this?

I'm both confused  ??? and deeply sceptical, but I guess we'll see.

Well done for having money thrown at you though, it must be a lovely feeling.

"Defending" a project's censorship-resistant quality from a moderated thread is like pretending to put out a fire while spraying it with gasoline.

I'm interested to see what this is going to become :).

Are you also planning on starting a signature campaign?

what's the clue?
it seems just like ETH vs ETC.. monero classic  ???

Powered by wordpress  ;D
And the whole payment in http

Dogenero - the next big thing  :D

Such scam...

lol. Now that is classic :) +1 4 sure.

YoBit listing coming in 3..2..1...
Good luck with the coin.  :)

Is this coin cryptonote minable?

lol, lets make a "classic" version of every coin...

do you think it would come soon Bitcoin classic too? ;D

so has it been answered why this is Classic?

i would like to reserve portuguese translation if u need this!

PM if u want this!

cya

No need

This is funny.. there is no need for monero classic..

Hmm sorry, this coin doesn't make sense to me so I wont invest. Think I'll sit this one out on the sidelines. Good luck with it though.

Good bait for trying replicating xmr success.
Why we need classic ? (with moderate thread ? )

Further to fluffypony's comments the content on https://getmonero.org/ (https://getmonero.org/) is copyrighted and subject to the following terms from https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright (https://getmonero.org/legal/copyright)


I will also refer to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/).

On another note I will also refer to the following FinCEN guidance in the United States: https://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html (https://fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html) This is relevant because the crowd sale could easily require those administering the crowd sale to register as an MSB in the United States. There may also be similar regulatory requirements in other jurisdictions.

The HFs are getting a little out of hand these days...

In other words, you would rather have yourself as the lead instead of the dedicated team who has worked hard for the past two years to construct the technology you now claim. The original team has not acted deviantly.

I don't doubt that people will fall for this, but this is wrong in so many ways. This is not Monero.

I still don't know what the complaint about the original Monero is even supposed to be.

In fact if I put any money into this it'll just be with the expectation of a short term pump...

Which I don't like doing cause it's basically gambling.

:ADDED:

Keep deleting and I keep reposting. Scammers learn quickly that I will win.

Thank you all who have supported the project so far.

In the future once we are more established on exchanges we will look into advertisement and campaigns. 

ANN: Monero Vintage.  It's timelesser and classicer than even Monero Classicer.  Crowdsale has now begun, with 100% bonus for first hour participants. 

 ;D which coin hot
which coin Classic

good luck dev

Jeezy Louisey...

Suffice it to say that I've had a lot of bad luck with clonecoins of this sort. So this time, my bad luck will consist in me doing without this incredible opportunity. ;)

bitcoin classic will be realease too  ;D

Thanks for your support.

wth my post has been deleted with no reason !!  :o

Sounds legit. Where do I buy?

Thank you for your support, details are in the main announcement thread.

Transferring all my savings into this legitimate coin asap

 :D ;)

not a good idea, only invest money you can afford to loose.

Do you accept Mentrio nxt tokens as payment?

sorry we only accept BTC currently, or you can use shapeshift.io to use other selected currencies.

LOL LOL LOL VERY LOL :D :D :D

Except for the crowdsale, this is a great idea.

Thus, I will fork and relaunch Monero Classic without the crowdsale.

It's called Monero Unlimited^TM.

Sounds good i support this.

Merge monero with your other favourite coin dash, call it Dashero

even better, you guys are quite creative  :D

stop giving away all your brilliant ideas, and put them in to action!
http://everydaypowerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-04-at-12.42.20-PM.png



http://godfatherstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Famous-Inspirational-Wisdom-Quotes-with-Images-Photos-Pictures-Knowing-is-not-enough-we-must-apply.-Willing-is-not-enough-we-must-do.-Bruce-Lee..jpg

Come on. Cashing in with the ETH classic theme? Without fully disclosure not looking look to me. Escrow?

No, its just that you're a scammer with no creativity

I think he was being facetious. :)

If you want to buy Monero Classic, I also have a dead parrot and a bridge for sale.

is this a joke?   just copy xrm  when you see the  xmr is  popular

just copy ,,,,unnessesary,,,,  joke ,,,,,boring ,,ugly

don't  expect  darknet  use copy coin

XMR is orginal ,,,, some ppl want to be rich ,,just announce to develop a XMR fork coin named XMR classic coin, funny ,,,,, darknet will never use a copy

for fuck sake, we don't need Monero Classic.  nufsaid.

Monero is also a copy, a straight fork from cryptonote.


Monero Classic will be the darknet coin, free from censorship.



Classic aims to push for adoption accross all darknet markets, being the gold-standard. Currently in the works is a fresh darknet market being setup with Monero Classic as the sole currency to be exchanged. With popular DNM vendors coming on-board, this is the first strike for success.

we usually suspect at the begining of  new project ,so let see what happen next.

So everyone in the fund-raising ?

So, Are you planning to Fork the blockchain and give all XMR owners free XMC in relation to their XMR holdings just like they did with ETC?

Dave Wilkinson, so are you interested to the domain MoneroClassic.org (you can use it as a official site)?

no, all coins will be distributed through the crowdfund, no snapshot of the monero chain will be taken.

There's no sense in making the rich, richer.

We have received positive results from quite a number of the top DNM vendors across AlphaBay and Dream marketplace, who give full support to this project and will be joining the new marketplace which only accepts Monero Classic.

Ok, you got me interested!  What percentage of coins will be in the hands of devs?

0%


There will be no premine and a ledger of distributed bitcoin sales will be posted publicly on the main site and also a link in the ANN.

Crowdfund is for ongoing maintenance and active development.

0.45 btc buy it now, just send me a pm ;).

Any firm offers?
These people are spoilt for choice when it comes to a new crypto over BTC and will need their palms greasing.  They are not going to risk their system without insurance.

Also, I am yet to understand how currency speculation will pan out with AlphaBay and Dream market users.

These people need a coin to be stable in price.  We all know how new coins can swing +/-30% in price from day to day thanks to pumps and dumps.

If i had a gram-a-day smack habit, (which i don't), I'm not sure i would be too happy (or well) with the currency fluctuations that are involved in the early days of making a coin successful.  Moreover: It takes time to gain trust.

Also, AlphaBay and Dream Market vendors have to put-up coin to the platform/market and to the owners to be able to sell their product.  What happens if the coin has some bad times and loses value.  Big incentive for vendors to welsh on deals with their customers if they are only to lose a plummeting retainer and know they will soon be back under a different username once stability kicks back in.

I haven't got my head around the Mathematical/Social ecological validity of it all yet.  However, I am watching both XMR & XMC very very closely.

I just have a nagging feeling that one of these XMR or XMC coins is a government honey trap.  However, I may have a play with this for a while.  
I like an "outsider"  ;)  This maybe the one that is not the FEDs

In Addition : I do my "DD" well and always keep an ear to the ground, i like to read stuff, Market vendors are one thing.  Are the people that run the current Markets on side?  They don't like people having too much influence in their market, ask @pathfinder about that one.

                      Hi DEV, when the appearance of my charges Orders # 66

Hi there, please PM me with your details.


Crowdfund going excellent so far, with 28% complete in under 24hours.

When can we start mining XMC?

On wallet release  8) There will be an announcement.

good luck, more news) I think it will be interesting

share us some code dev  :D

LOL just clone Monero git and you have the code. without his premine.

There is no premine.

I guess you don't know what a premine is. W00t what a DEV!

Let me correct that, there is no premine for the developer, there will however be a set premined amount for distribution.

12,769,305 XMC



only ~9,000,000 of which is left in the crowdsale.

Please state your professional credentials that make you capable of providing support for this code base.

if there is a bounty for translation
 i will do hindi (INDIAN) translation
just pm me or quote me

There is nothing "classic" about XMC....it isn't even the original monero.

Probably just an attempt to ride on the coat tails of XMR recent price rise.

When someone still sporting a RISE signiture is asking these questions, you know your ICO scam is a bit too obvious...

This is futile attempt to hold the train... keep dreaming of cheap moneros!

I don't understand who needs this coin ? What is that ?

Is original Monero not secure, not private and not untraceable ? No.
So what for this coin was created ?
Scam ?

If you read the ann:

Monero Classic is a project to keep the original censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized Monero

Classic aims to push for adoption accross all darknet markets, being the gold-standard. Currently in the works is a fresh darknet market being setup with Monero Classic as the sole currency to be exchanged. With popular DNM vendors coming on-board, this is the first strike for success.

alot of fudders on this thread, perhaps threatened monero holders?  8)


almost 30% raised! im sure we will sell out.

This still is not clear.

What is not censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized about Monero?

Why would Monero Classic be adopted while Monero is already (being) adopted?

Can you tell us more about this fresh market or any other market that will be adopting Monero Classic, so that at least one can verify by contacting them?

still i did not got a thing
why do we need this ? monero can be used for same purpose(darknet exchange)

There is a darknet exchange currently being purpose built with the sole currency to be used is Monero Classic, acting as a stabilization fund.

With top vendors on board from AlphaBay and Dream marketplace.

C Complete BTC 0.02147624     2016-08-30 08:22:24    Address:
121pA3v8YqyBEej6wJL3gFGhj2em7GygBb     Txid:
5c08c9bae0dccb0e787787343d4fd306669cf513cbebbb12bc6670d75507acdb  .
       Hello, I sent MY ACCOUNT
empty-explain your position, I understand that you are satisfied

it's some official proposition or you're just pulling words out of the air?

Monero is popular because of untraceable payments, unlinkable transactions......
This project has escrow....
its not a scam..

Sent you another PM about the domain (MoneroClassic.org).

I accepted your offer :).

thanks for that, got your reply, i will put together some funds and make a payment over the next 24hours, or possibly find a valid escrow.

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Status Update - http://moneroclassic.tech (http://moneroclassic.tech)

I do appreciate the support so far, its been just over 24 hours of the crowdsale and already we are at over ~30% complete in the crowdsale, excellent results indeed, happy to be blessed with such confidence and such a supporting crowd.

Over the next few days i will be releasing screengrabs of current progress of the onion market being produced, just to ease a few minds, for development purposes the platform/marketplace will be codenamed ZION or ZionMarketplace.

Current Features

• Seller & Product Approval and Moderation
• Owner & Seller Commission Management
• Rating & Reviews for Sellers
• Multi Seller/Vendor Support
• Responsive Design (possibilities for portable devices using the tor network)

The plan of attack is to offer the marketplace to approximately ~150 of the current top vendors throughout AlphaBay and Dream marketplace, offering no sign up fees to PGP verified top vendors, and no commision over the first ~3months.

As you may or may not know Dream and AlphaBay have been suffering timeout and server overloads over the past few months and top vendors are looking elsewhere, this is where ZION takes the fame.

after the ~3month period of no commision to select vendors, commision will be used to place buy support on Monero Classic, creating a steading buy-on-the-fly feature.

The ZION platform will aim to fill in the gaps where other darknet marketplaces fail, 100% uptime, low commission & a fluid/responsive design and of course a range of top vendors.


Those who are uncertain, i urge you to wait it out till after crowdsale, and see the final product, sign up to the marketplace and get a feel for what we have to offer, then decide then if you wish to invest. Many hours of hard work have already gone into this project, as we were in the works long before cryptonote was selected as the primary codebase for the currency.



With kind regards,
Monero Classic Team

Perfect,  I sent you the bitcoin address in the last pm.

oh really? so, rocket scientist, where does the btc go from the 'distribution'? who holds the private key?

hopefully, most of the posts in this thread must be sockpuppets cause surely this forum has not become THIS FUCKING IGNORANT.

The initial question was coming to the conclusion that i will hold premine alongside the crowdfund funds, as i stated i will not any premine for myself, this is where i need to clear this up.

After the crowdsale completion, only crowdfund investors will receive coins,  i myself will not hold any premine after the initial premine distribution to the crowdsale investors.

Appologies for the mix up, i should have been more clear in my initial post, i hope that clears things up a little.

Is there any objective proof that there is a market interested in Monero Classic?


Yes Monero is, but this thread is about Monero Classic which has the very same properties as Monero thus raising the question why use Monero Classic instead of Monero (which is already popular) ...


I think I missed that information, I can not find it anywhere in the thread, can you please refer me to where it is stated that this project has an escrow and who is the escrow?

And my two previous questions :):

Can you tell us more about this fresh market or any other market that will be adopting Monero Classic, so that at least one can verify by contacting them?


If you read my previous post you will find information on the new market, aka codename ZION.


Correct, although monero will not have a marketplace which only currency is monero, we will.

Official propositions from vendors.

Is there any objective proof that there is a market interested in Monero Classic?

Your mixing your words up, a market isnt going to adopt MoneroClassic, we are bulding a market.  8)


Yes Monero is, but this thread is about Monero Classic which has the very same properties as Monero thus raising the question why use Monero Classic instead of Monero (which is already popular) ...

Correct monero is already unlinkable-untracable. why? The project is being built to use monero classic as a sole currency for a purpose built exchange.


I think I missed that information, I can not find it anywhere in the thread, can you please refer me to where it is stated that this project has an escrow and who is the escrow?

Negative, we have multi-sig between the two founders and  our developer.

And my two previous questions :):

What is not censorship-resistant, immutable, decentralized about Monero?

Why would Monero Classic be adopted while Monero is already (being) adopted?

For the simple fact that all the top vendors are being lured to our new TOR marketplace, which will be using MoneroClassic as its sole currency.

when is the release

I am not mixing up my words, in your previous posts (the ones before the zion one), you didn't mention that you were building the market, so that gives the impression that there is a market (being built by some people not affiliated with you) is interested in Monero Classic. Now, I understand that you are the one building the market.

Thanks for confirming that there is no escrow as some seemed to think ...

You say you have official propositions from vendors and that top vendors are going to use your TOR marketplace and yet there is no way of verifying that claim apart from believing you ... That's not what I would call objective.

To sum up:
- You are building a new market that will solely use Monero Calssic.
- You, the co-founder and the dev are holding the keys. There is no third party/escrow involved.
- You talk about top vendors making you propositions and showing interest in your marketplace but there is no objective proof that any top vendor is interested in it (and thus in Monero Classic).

PS: My questions were written before the zion post, but didn't get answers, I just deleted the post and reposted them as the thread's latest message so that they gain visibility in case you missed them, I probably should've removed the question about the fresh market before reposting.

Appologies if any genuine posts were deleted, there was quite a swarm of monero supporters all spamming this thread.

I will try my best to answer future questions with more accuracy and in a more timely manner.

He will not prove the supposed new market because it doesn't exist. You send this guy your BTC it is gone.


LOL, escrow does not mean it's not a scam. who is escrow? what is escrow release criteria?

I bought small monero cllasic exacly 100.In poland market bitbay accept money from Poczta Polska details in first post bitcoin.pl

ooo good diversion!

so back to the actual question, you, fuck head, are getting a whole bunch of btc to sell your premine coins. There is no mix up here, I'm wanting to hear why it is you deserve all these free btc?

m
Hi there, for development and maintinance of the ZION marketplace and MoneroClassic blockchain, people cant work for free.

Participation is not mandatory  8)

So some people are still buying this coin, It will be interesting to see the exchange where it will first be listed

So admit you are premining a shit ton of btc then. Why is that so hard to say? Is it because there is no justification for it? hmmmm?

no one would argue that devs have to eat, but the problem is, you are not a dev, nor do you have a dev team, so again, where is all that btc going if not straight into your pockets?

[edit] and to add to that, you are right, participation is not mandatory, unless you are a moron. some of us though, regrettably for your scammy ass, feel the need to open our big fucking mouths to protect these dumb bastards who do not know any better. I know, its a full time job, but its a pasta I am willing to bare.

Im not sure what you are getting at? im not quite sure im on your level?

how does one "premine a shit ton of btc"

i am not satoshi nakomoto.  8) although id like to be


If you are referring to premining XMC for issuance/distribution after crowdfund, how else is it meant to be distributed? its instamined upon blockchain creation. every coin was done this same way.. XMR ETH MAIDSAFE FACTOM LISK.. all in the same manner.

perhaps you want to PM, as i see your a little upset and confused, perhaps we can clear things up that way.

lol

good answer

lets spell it out then for you

you create a bunch of coins = premine

you sell premine = ico

ico = btc in your pockets

savy?

To whomever else might have access to dave's acc, please don't let the current idiot post any more in this thread or your scam will fall apart even quicker.

[edit #2] always can smell a con man when he wants to take discussion off of the forum into pm. pay attention to this n00bs.

Im happy to chat here, just though it may be a good idea to keep mind numbing chat off the main thread, but yes go on, you were telling me something about how i premined bitcoin?  8)


ZION will bring new edge to the darknet markets, like nothing anyone has seen before.

yes that is exactly what I said... good try bozo.

congrats, youve replaced spots on my shit list. welcome to hell.

http://web.archive.org/web/20160901013149/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1600638.new

Hmm im not really sure im fussed if ive made spots on your lists, you are irrelevant to me  8)


but keep bumping, its doing great for sales.

thank you for your support.

Thats good DEV, keep moving up at least we have an option to get alternative coin since monero price already expensive.

Hi Dev, i just ordered some thru given WEB site , when do u plan to listed on exchange?

Once crowdsale has completed.

i will allocate ~5btc towards a premium listing on bittrex, and if required i will also pay fund a premium yobit listing.

Thanks a lot for your clarification.