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As you know, the holders of NXT will receive Ardor Coins in a few months. How much will Ardor be worth?

Silly question... we'll find out soon enough. I think it'll take another year before they release the thing and not just tokens to see the real value.

no one can prediction the price of Ardor
you can wait until the Ardor added in exhcange, how much Ardor get attention from cryptocurrencies member
but same price with NXT for first launch and ready added in exchange is good for me, a couple month the price will change up or down is depant what interesting in Ardor

so you're actually talking about fortune and there's only uncertain answer but maybe the price will be even higher than NXT because as you can see it's Ardor Coin = NXT 2.0 so there's must be some improvement,but I worried if there's no ICO in this coin mean the coin could be dumped easily?

@asriloni. It is becoming clear that the long time holders of NXT will be at the advantage here. Especially the ones who have some left over from their initial stake. It is like they have multiplied their coins by getting a fixed allocation of Ardor. Also the idea of the ones who only bought at the news of Ardor is to profit from NXT's rise and also from selling Ardor when it is distributed.

Pretty much. Logically it made the most sense to buy NXT as soon as Ardor was announced, just forget about it, get your full Ardor stake, then consider selling the NXT = cheap or free Ardor tokens. Probably smarter to hold the tokens for a year (or however long) until it's finally released.

Probably 4000 sat.

There is one thing I'm sure of about Ardor, the price will be higher than the NXT price and will continue to go up till the roadmap is achieved

Probably a safe bet. I'd expect to see the typical initial rise, falloff... then slow build, and eventual pump when they release the real thing... although in crypto time, waiting a year for something is like waiting 100 years for any other investment.

People will be encouraged to hold both there NXT & ARDOR as holding both will be what entitles you to IGNIS.

Ardor might pull down the price of NXT few days after launch.

Maybe 5k, and nxt will be worthless after ardor launch, like pts is worth nothing after converting bts

where to find information on the start Ardor?
when?
What will happen to NXT?

your find information about addor in thread annoucment NXT
and you very late, hold only 10 october can get receive addor coin

I think 5000sat is a good price but in crypto you never know, Potcoin was pump to over 5000sat in matter of days, I  see Ardor token as a long term investment but if the price hit something like 20k sat I'm selling all my tokens

potetintial addor price in first listing in exchanger
same price nxt
and long time price addor can reach 10k - 20000 satoshi

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potetintial addor price in first listing in exchanger

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So you are saying the price will be less than 2000sat

I think it will be added to a few exchanges soon after distribution.

My guess for the initial price is, around 10-50K sat.

Ardor(REP) is already out and selling on Poloniex. In fact there are dumping signs already, it hit the market at $6.77 few days back and it's already around $5.

It can't possibly be Ardor. For one, Ardor tokens aren't out yet, they will be released tomorrow with the 1,000,000th block. For two, $5 is a very optimistic price :)

~20 hours remain before hard fork at block 1,000,000, upgrade to Nxt wallet version 1.10.1 or higher.

Hi, anybody know how they going to distribute ARDIOR and where we need to keep the coin after release date.

Keep it in your Nxt wallet.
Download it from here: https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-10-2/

Distribution procedure is laid out here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518497.0

Poloniex internal distribution is up to Poloniex, you should log a ticket with their support.

Rep is the ticker for Augur, not Ardor. Completley different coins with similar names.

the first listing in price same in nxt
because addor is new nxt , and can raplace and take over nxt coin
so this first listing i think addor price can same nxt price

and severl day or several week price can incraese

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ARDR

Ardor price trying to keep pace with NXT's price. Both being dump massively.

I'm surprise at the inpatient of some people and their decision to dump their tokens this cheap to Whales is a disturbing trend among this Altcoins traders

Not sure why it should surprise anyone, as I expect many who received Ardor tokens got them absolutely free. Buy NXT after announcement, sell NXT about a month before final token release ... initial investment recouped or at most, minor cost = lots of free Ardor. And we all know when anyone gets free coins, there is always a selloff to start.

I'm just holding my tokens, as I expect the price to rise in January-ish, then later on when the thing is fully working (like a year from now).  No point in selling cheap now. But not everyone thinks that way.

Poloniex just added Btc/Ardor pair.

Yes all the kids who got free coins are going to cash them out for Bitcoin so they can invest in some junkcoin when it starts pumping.
Anyone would be wise to hold onto at least a few ADR in case the price really jumps.

I sold 50% of my Ardor holdings immediately after it got listed on Poloniex, while still holding the other half which I think would be the best thing to do in the long run. And now I don't care whether the price goes up or down at least I already made a good profit out of it.

I bought a little Ardor
and he appeared on polo)

That's probably smart.
That way you get some profit no matter what happens,
and if the price goes up, you still have some coins for long term investment.

That's not a bad plan. Then depending on what the price does, you may wish to buy back in (ideally if it hits half of what you sold for). That way you end up with btc + the same amount of coins you started with.

What price do you predict for the Ardor by the end of of this year?

Same as now, 2 NXT.

Lol, I logged into Polo to notice my unexpected Ardor balance. Considered selling, noticed I had missed the dump, thought about it a few more minutes, and decided to hold. It was unexpected anyway; let's tuck those coins somewhere for a while and see what they can do. If nothing, well, I guess I really didn't miss out on much.

prices fall over. I bought yesterday 1900 satoshis  8)
now :
https://i.imgur.com/gS6lK6j.png

I'm waiting ignis
!'m waiting 2017 Jan.

1900 satoshis price; suitable for long-term investment.

I'm lucy man. still cheap price in my opinion

In my opinion they are still cheap :)

At present position it is difficult to predict the support level but I has resistance and good support at 1200 sats

I'm calling the bottom, it is in. Money will be moving in soon. Place some bids, and hope to catch some dumps. As rhe ask side is incredibly thin, it will be hard to secure a good price...

Doesn't look very bright market wise, any leads on the technical developments?

Developers released Ardor client 2.0.2e a few days ago, fixing bugs and adding improvements to backend and UI.
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/ardor-v2-0-2e

Ardor's goal is to solve scaling in a decentralized way.
I may be biased but no other crypto has a good solution to the scaling problem, except maybe Iota.
You will have all the leads you want just from installing the software and spending an hour or two reading and playing with it. You can ask for test coins to play with in the Ardor topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518497
A good place to read about Ardor and ask question is https://nxtforum.org
Mainnet is to go live in Q3, 2017, so the next three months will be somewhat quiet in the testnet while software is smoothed out to perfection.

I am not a programmer but isnt the Ardor code available freely? so whats stopping ethereum developers incorporating ardor scaling solution in their code? some of the advantages i read about is it solves the ethereum scaling issue.

Ardor code will be released when the mainnet is launched as far as I know. The code is not available while Ardor is in testnet.
I believe it will be very difficult for Ethereum developers to take the code and incorporate it just like that. The architectures of these two platforms are completely different, it is almost a certainty they will have to write code from scratch if they were to implement the same idea as what Ardor is developing. Ethereum has sharding in their plans to address scaling as far as I know, but I don't know the details or how far they have advanced in implementing it.
Please consider that research, development and testing takes years before a stable mature product is delivered.

Thanks for the explanation mate

It's been some really quite interesting weeks lately in crypto land. Scaling hasn't been much of topic for the last years - and boom - now it's front and center. Bitcoiners used to clobber anyone who thinks miners having different incentives than currency holders is a problem. Now it's suddenly consensus on r/bitcoin. Not only are there repeated threads saying a change of the Proof of Work algorithm might be necessary, I'm actually seeing more and more suggestions to switch to Proof of Stake! I can't believe my eyes! Just the mere mention of it even half a year ago would have brought you into downvote hell and 500 angry "nothing at stake" chants, before your post got shadow banned. I'm not saying that it's a majority position by any means, but what a difference!

The changing tides are sweeping a lot of money into the alts. The combined crypto cap is exploding:
http://www.oxpal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/market-cap_april2017-combined.png

While Bitcoin's share of it is decreasing. The pace is accelerating towards parity. That could be a huge deal with unclear implications (...but don't dare mention this on r/Bitcoin).
http://www.oxpal.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/market-cap_april2017-bitcoin-share.png

There is a major sea change going on. Props to the dev team to see this long ahead: Designing Ardor specifically around scaling capabilities, puts it in a position to take advantage of the situation. Now there is just the question if this can somehow get attention. So far it is always Ethereum that gets used as example for Proof of Stake. Once again, it took the spotlight. It also gobbled up the biggest gains. Ardor seemed to have merely been swept up with the tidal wave that took all alts along.

I don't know if all that will change to the best of Ardor and NXT. But I'm sure: This ain't over. And people are still either in denial or stuck in old ways of thinking.

• The Bitcoin wars will get worse.
  First off, there is AsicBoost, which is worth millions in advantage for parasitic miners. Why would they give that up for anything? Higher market cap doesn't help their bottom line, they live of higher margins. A fork of some sort either will happen or must at least come close enough that these miners must fear trashing their hardware.
  
• Disruption will be huge either way. The user experience will be a disaster. Alts will pick up refugees... but if Bitcoin suffers too much, all crypto will take a hit.
  
• The miner problem is of course deeper anyways. It's an incentive problem that will return. Miners they only care about users and hodlers if it somehow helps their short term earnings.
  
• What also clearly came to light is that the monopoly is even worse than anyone thought: It's the hardware! That's all done by basically one manufacturer in one location - with the ability to legally block supply for anyone who doesn't agree with their plans. Bitmain is abusing this already (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/60udvd/a_disturbing_quote_by_indian_pool_gbminers/). That skews not just which miners can join, but also how much existing ones dare to contribute to debates.
  
• People still don't understand the scaling issue. It seems bizarre to me that Ethereum/Monero/Dash are seen as solutions. All these have exponentially worse situations should they ever catch on remotely as much as Bitcoin.
  It's just that neither Ether or Litecoin are used enough to make clear to everyone that they have the exact problem Bitcoin has - or worse.

So there is Ardor, with an actual solution. My fear is that people might once again overlook it, just like NXT was laughed at when it pioneered what is now the altcoin standard. Maybe it's premature optimization. But it might be the right unique selling point at just the right time.

One joker card might be the Lightning network, or the "sharding" that Buterin promises. Basically they could change the landscape of the scaling discussion - and make it a non-issue. It's just promises so for. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can shed some light one that angle.
Anyways, the potential in the upcoming year is huge - and that's what speculators are trading on.

Hold NXT on the date of Ardor platform launch and receive IGNIS (the tokens of the first child chain). The exact date isn't known yet, some time in Q3, so probably ~2 months. Ardor is currently in testnet: https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/ardor-v2-0-3e

ardr pumps hard today, market cap is more than 100 m now.

A pump catapults a coin to the top 10th-5th place on Poloniex markets ranked by volume.

Ardor isn't there, it is not a pump.

The price certainly jumped

You can look up the bittrex account to which you sent ardr here: https://nxtportal.org

If you see your transaction there, it's a bittrex issue not crediting you, contact their support.

If you don't see your transaction, well, something's on your end.

This problem should not be the ardr problem, but the bittrex.com problem.

Can Ardor reach $1?

After it reaches $0.10, it can fly high soon

It would be very good if it reaches that price point :)

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e2a - when is NXT to be counted for IGNIS allocation?

Yes,message can not encrypted,I lost 10 ardor when I try to sent ardor to the BTC38.com.

The only announced date is Q3 2017. I don't remember Nxt developers ever breaking deadlines. The testnet client looks mature. I can imagine by end of July it's a 50% likelihood for Ardor launch, 90% by end of August. This is from watching Nxt developers do their job meticulously in the past, they are as solid as they come, no bs :)

For subsequent price movements, what do you think?I still hold some coin.

To receive IGNIS one must hold NXT.
To receive Ardor in Ardor platform one must hold ARDOR tokens in Nxt.

You need both to get both.

so the ardor tokens we have currently are not in fact ARDR?  

so bittrex is trading ARDR testnet coins?

Ardor tokens we have in Nxt are mainnet ARDR coins, mainnet will be launched in Q3. They have value and a price tag to them.

Testnet is a testnet, you can get testnet Ardor and IGNIS absolutely free of charge here. (https://nxtforum.org/testnet/some-testnxt-to-test-asset-exchange/)

mate, youre confusing me.

which is it?

or will we be given a further amount of ARDR in Q3?

or is that IGNIS?

this really needs to be explained clearly. definitively!

Have you seen FAQ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ardor/comments/55tpc4/frequently_asked_questions_xpost_rnxt/

Lurker10,




Can you send NXT and Ardor from the client if the blockchain hasn't fully downloaded? Ardor to $1 soon!




Cheers

The Nxt client should work in Roaming mode until the blockchain hasn't fully downloaded, meaning you should be able to send transactions.

You can also activate Lite mode:

3a) Unpack Nxt client if you use the zip link or install if you use the installer.

3b) Locate directory nxt/conf.

On Windows it is here: C:\Users<UserName>\AppData\Roaming\NXT\conf

Mac: ~/.nxt/conf

Linux: /conf folder under the root installation

3c) Create a text file nxt.properties in this directory with a single line:

nxt.isLightClient=true

start the Nxt client and it will not be downloading the blockchain.