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Title: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Gordonium on April 01, 2013, 06:48:13 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much we are living now in a world of Atlas Shrugged? Satoshi Nakamato is John Galt and Bitcoin is Galt's Gulch. And the political environment in novel is almost identical to what's happening right now around the world.

Bitcoins are also pretty similar with Rearden Metal. We early adopters are like Dagny Taggart when she used Rearden Metal even when the whole world was against it.

Whatever we are, it's we who move the world and it’s we who’ll pull it through.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: kokjo on April 01, 2013, 06:51:00 PM
Welcome back Atlas! Did they finally let you out of the mental institution, or did you escape?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Luno on April 01, 2013, 06:51:18 PM
Refreshing with some ideological input in between all the price hype.

Nice to be reminded about why we got into this in the first place!

Must read that book.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Gordonium on April 04, 2013, 09:30:35 PM
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Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: nwbitcoin on April 04, 2013, 09:34:59 PM
Refreshing with some ideological input in between all the price hype.

Nice to be reminded about why we got into this in the first place!

Must read that book.

I read it a few years ago - its about 1000 pages too long! ;)

The story is interesting, but the dialogue is awful - far too many monologues!

The whole story could have been written in a fraction of the words, and it would still have got the point across!

However, I fully agree with the OP - Who is John Galt? ;)


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 04, 2013, 09:36:15 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: optimator on April 04, 2013, 09:41:14 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 04, 2013, 09:42:11 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





That sounds like a good premise for a book.  So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Gordonium on April 04, 2013, 09:43:44 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





That sounds like a good premise for a book.  So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?

For the same reason that many people seem to hate Bitcoin, I guess.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: jwzguy on April 04, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





That sounds like a good premise for a book.  So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?

For the same reason that many people seem to hate Bitcoin, I guess.
Truer words have never been spoken.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 04, 2013, 09:46:42 PM
I take it this is the kind of novel I'd be interested in ;D


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Wekkel on April 04, 2013, 10:26:46 PM
This is a book that bored the hell out of me but fascinated me at the same time. I could read it 10 times again without pain and still find new gems in it. It's hard, it's rough and I very much like it.

You will sense a strange kind of connection if someone tells you he's going Galt, understanding exactly what he means.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: optimator on April 04, 2013, 10:45:24 PM
So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, by Robert M. Pirsig, is one of my favorite books. I've been rereading it every 3 or 4 years for the last 20 years. A few years ago I was so enamored with the book I decided to google it - to see what others had to say. What I found was different from my understanding. Not good or bad but just different.

In the words of Stephen King, the posts I read "shrink things that seemed limitless when they were in your head to no more than living size when they're brought out."

I then realized that books are like paintings. We each choose to take something different, something personal from the story. I think when the author's story speaks individually to the reader, transcending even what the author (painter) was trying to convey, that's when a great story is born.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: FirstAscent on April 05, 2013, 04:31:31 PM
I read it a few years ago - its about 1000 pages too long! ;)

So it was a bad book? I never read it myself, nor do I have any interest to.

As Roger Ebert said, no good movie is too long, and no bad movie is too short.

Therefore, if you thought it was too long, then it was a bad book. Fiction is to enjoy. If you think the book was too long, then you didn't enjoy it, clearly. Which begs the question, why did you bother finishing it? Life is short. Spend it on books you might enjoy.

I despise the idiot movie critics (or book critics) who claim a movie or book needed editing - i.e needed to be trimmed, cut, etc. Such individuals are not writers or filmmakers. What they mean to say, is not that the movie or book was too long, but that it was simply bad and unenjoyable.

For if you were enjoying a book or movie, why would you not want it to continue?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 05, 2013, 04:45:35 PM
I read it a few years ago - its about 1000 pages too long! ;)

So it was a bad book? I never read it myself, nor do I have any interest to.

As Roger Ebert said, no good movie is too long, and no bad movie is too short.

Therefore, if you thought it was too long, then it was a bad book. Fiction is to enjoy. If you think the book was too long, then you didn't enjoy it, clearly. Which begs the question, why did you bother finishing it? Life is short. Spend it on books you might enjoy.

I despise the idiot movie critics (or book critics) who claim a movie or book needed editing - i.e needed to be trimmed, cut, etc. Such individuals are not writers or filmmakers. What they mean to say, is not that the movie or book was too long, but that it was simply bad and unenjoyable.

For if you were enjoying a book or movie, why would you not want it to continue?

I've always found this funny myself. I believe people force themselves to finish any given movie or novel just to see how the ending goes; only then can they make a valid conclusion whether or not it was good or bad, by looking at the matter as a whole, completed piece. But this seems like behaviour reserved for professional reviewers; one reason why I never finish the books I start. If I'm not enjoying myself, there's not a lot of point. It ceases to be entertainment and becomes a chore--which is funny, because people are so accustomed to chore, so I suppose it's not surprising, knowing this, that people reason to finish books they're not enjoying.

Or maybe they're criticising it through the eyes of a writer, which would be a valid criticism; some books have too much filler. By assuming different roles, is it possible to enjoy a novel as a reader, yet as a writer, believe it did not meet the punch in a timely manner?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Rassah on April 05, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
I take it this is the kind of novel I'd be interested in ;D

Get the audio book version. The story is interesting, and the characters are really well developed, but it's true, there is a lot of monologues (There's a whole 50 page chapter of nothing but a single guy's monologue), and having someone else read it for you (especially with voices) makes it easier to slog through.

It's hated because it poses the idea that when people work in their own self interest (selfish), they earn wealth by providing things for people that they want, and will pay for, thus making everyone better off; while when people work in everyone's self interest (socialist government types), they tend to bring down the inventors and dreamers, and make things horrible for everyone. Basically, selfishness stemming from "I want to create this thing and let people buy it from me, rules be damned" is good, and selfishness stemming from, "I want to get into a position of power through politics, and make everyone's lives better by using rules and taking things from everyone else" is bad. That's not a popular idea in heavily socialist countries.

BTW, there's a bit of an irony in the way the haters interpret it, too: Atlas Shrugs goes pretty heavily into corporate corruption and corporations getting together with government regulators to fuck up the little guy. I.E. It's blasts the hell out of specifically the problems the Occupy Wallstreet'ers are complaining about. But because the overall theme of the book is "Capitalism good," democrats and occupier types totally miss that part. If you read it from that understanding, the book is actually pretty much center of politics (libertarian), blasting both extremes of communism and fascism (governments and corporations working together) equally.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 05, 2013, 05:43:36 PM
For the same "Holy crap, this is about now" sensation, but with a slightly less chest-denting size, look into Alongside Night.

Atlas Shrugged is a good story, but It was written by a Russian, which means that it's way longer than it needs to be to get the point across. Lots of preaching and monologue.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Rassah on April 05, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
For the same "Holy crap, this is about now" sensation, but with a slightly less chest-denting size, look into Alongside Night.

Atlas Shrugged is a good story, but It was written by a Russian, which means that it's way longer than it needs to be to get the point across. Lots of preaching and monologue.

Hey! Are you saying that Russians use way too excessively long writing styles that can carry on for way more than needed just to get their point across in a too detailed manner, doing it to make sure that the reader understands what is being talked about, but aiming it at people who may be smart, or who may need some longer explanations to understand some otherwise simple, or at least grade-school level, concepts?  >:(


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 05, 2013, 06:11:52 PM
For the same "Holy crap, this is about now" sensation, but with a slightly less chest-denting size, look into Alongside Night.

Atlas Shrugged is a good story, but It was written by a Russian, which means that it's way longer than it needs to be to get the point across. Lots of preaching and monologue.

Hey! Are you saying that Russians use way too excessively long writing styles that can carry on for way more than needed just to get their point across in a too detailed manner, doing it to make sure that the reader understands what is being talked about, but aiming it at people who may be smart, or who may need some longer explanations to understand some otherwise simple, or at least grade-school level, concepts?  >:(

Why, yes, yes I am.

btw: Above comment is extremely funny if read in his voice:
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/122/823ac16be0f94293a84bdb7ab7ee0514/p.gif


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: FirstAscent on April 05, 2013, 06:12:47 PM
Atlas Shrugged is a good story, but It was written by a Russian, which means that it's way longer than it needs to be to get the point across. Lots of preaching and monologue.

Maybe the only goal wasn't to get a point across, but to provide a novel for people to read? Novels wouldn't exist if their only goal was to get a point across. Power Point presentations can do that.

If all of Atlas Shrugged's would be fans think it was too long, then it must have been boring. If it was boring, then perhaps it just wasn't enjoyable. If it wasn't enjoyable, then I suppose all one was looking for was to have someone make a point. If you just wish to be the recipient of a point, look elsewhere.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 05, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
Atlas Shrugged is a good story, but It was written by a Russian, which means that it's way longer than it needs to be to get the point across. Lots of preaching and monologue.

Maybe the only goal wasn't to get a point across, but to provide a novel for people to read? Novels wouldn't exist if their only goal was to get a point across. Power Point presentations can do that.

If all of Atlas Shrugged's would be fans think it was too long, then it must have been boring. If it was boring, then perhaps it just wasn't enjoyable. If it wasn't enjoyable, then I suppose all one was looking for was to have someone make a point. If you just wish to be the recipient of a point, look elsewhere.

I certainly wasn't bored at any point during the novel. Science fiction (and this definitely qualifies) is the fiction of ideas. The medium itself exists to get ideas across whilst entertaining. She (like you, at times) used excess verbiage. This is neither good, nor bad. It simply is. Some people may not like her writing style, some enjoy it. I enjoyed the story, but am not a very big fan of her writing style.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 05, 2013, 06:49:45 PM
Welcome back Atlas! Did they finally let you out of the mental institution, or did you escape?
What ever happened to the hunting Atlas thread?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: justusranvier on April 05, 2013, 06:52:22 PM
Ayn Rand had some great ideas, but wasn't perfect. Unfortunately nobody around her was allowed to point that out (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html) because she exiled anyone who expressed the slightest disagreement with her from her inner circle.

Atlas Shrugged could have been a lot better if she would have allowed a competent editor to give her some constructive criticism.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 05, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
Atlas Shrugged could have been a lot better if she would have allowed a competent editor to give her some constructive criticism.

This.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: nwbitcoin on April 05, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
I read it a few years ago - its about 1000 pages too long! ;)

So it was a bad book? I never read it myself, nor do I have any interest to.

As Roger Ebert said, no good movie is too long, and no bad movie is too short.

Therefore, if you thought it was too long, then it was a bad book. Fiction is to enjoy. If you think the book was too long, then you didn't enjoy it, clearly. Which begs the question, why did you bother finishing it? Life is short. Spend it on books you might enjoy.

I despise the idiot movie critics (or book critics) who claim a movie or book needed editing - i.e needed to be trimmed, cut, etc. Such individuals are not writers or filmmakers. What they mean to say, is not that the movie or book was too long, but that it was simply bad and unenjoyable.

For if you were enjoying a book or movie, why would you not want it to continue?

Your response shows why you may be intelligent, but are not educated! ;)

Reading a book all the way through is how books are meant to be read. I guess the same is true for movies. If you stop half way through, you are disrespecting the author who put a lot of effort into the work for my enjoyment. Plus, as has been pointed out, you can only review a work once you have it all.  I enjoyed the book, I was glad I read it all, but in my opinion, I think I would have been able to rewrite the book, keep the story complete and still make it enjoyable for the reader in about 300 pages!

For anyone interested in what its all about, its basically an explanation of the free market through the story of a world becoming too regulated over time, through the eyes of regulators, inventors and business people.  Its summarized as what would happen if all the inventors disappeared from society?






Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: bitsalame on April 07, 2013, 04:10:43 AM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





That sounds like a good premise for a book.  So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?

For the same reason that many people seem to hate Bitcoin, I guess.
Truer words have never been spoken.

I challenge you that:
Truisms are true.

Now truer words have never been spoken.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Gordonium on April 10, 2013, 02:31:35 PM
Not exactly from Atlas Shrugged, but from Ayn Rand nevertheless. When I read/listen this speech of Howard Roark I think that it applies very well for us Bitcoiners. We are the ones who move the world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc7oZ9yWqO4)


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: johnniewalker on April 11, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much we are living now in a world of Atlas Shrugged? Satoshi Nakamato is John Galt and Bitcoin is Galt's Gulch. And the political environment in novel is almost identical to what's happening right now around the world.

Bitcoins are also pretty similar with Rearden Metal. We early adopters are like Dagny Taggart when she used Rearden Metal even when the whole world was against it.

Whatever we are, it's we who move the world and it’s we who’ll pull it through.
Certainly. Whenever I describe Bitcoins to someone who doesn't know anything about them I throw in an Atlas Shrugged reference somewhere. Glad other people see it the same way. And if you haven't read Atlas Shrugged...read it! or at least a summary ; )


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 11, 2013, 10:34:40 PM
Has anyone else noticed how much we are living now in a world of Atlas Shrugged? Satoshi Nakamato is John Galt and Bitcoin is Galt's Gulch. And the political environment in novel is almost identical to what's happening right now around the world.

Bitcoins are also pretty similar with Rearden Metal. We early adopters are like Dagny Taggart when she used Rearden Metal even when the whole world was against it.

Whatever we are, it's we who move the world and it’s we who’ll pull it through.
Certainly. Whenever I describe Bitcoins to someone who doesn't know anything about them I throw in an Atlas Shrugged reference somewhere. Glad other people see it the same way. And if you haven't read Atlas Shrugged...read it! or at least a summary ; )
I'd recommend the summary first. You know, unless you have a lot of time on your hands.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Rassah on April 11, 2013, 10:56:25 PM
I'd recommend the summary first. You know, unless you have a lot of time on your hands.

A lot of time is not enough. We drove from Maryland to Florida and back, 900miles and 16 hours one way, while listening to Atlas Shrugged as audio book. Those 32 hours were not enough to finish it.


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 11, 2013, 10:57:45 PM
So is it a case of "I have a lot to say" or is it a case of "I have a lot of fluff" :P


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 11, 2013, 10:58:59 PM
So is it a case of "I have a lot to say" or is it a case of "I have a lot of fluff" :P
"I have a lot to say, and I'm going to say it over and over again to make sure you get it."


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Rassah on April 11, 2013, 11:04:39 PM
So is it a case of "I have a lot to say" or is it a case of "I have a lot of fluff" :P
"I have a lot to say, and I'm going to say it over and over again to make sure you get it."

Yeah, that. Or even
"I have a lot to say, and this story will cover a lot of twists and turns and things and concepts, and and OH HAI HERE'S A 100 PAGE SUMMARY OF IT ALL JUST SO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I TALKED ABOUT THE LAST 800 PAGES!!!"
Followed by, "Ending? Who gives a shit."


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Mike Christ on April 11, 2013, 11:07:23 PM
So is it a case of "I have a lot to say" or is it a case of "I have a lot of fluff" :P
"I have a lot to say, and I'm going to say it over and over again to make sure you get it."

Yeah, that. Or even
"I have a lot to say, and this story will cover a lot of twists and turns and things and concepts, and and OH HAI HERE'S A 100 PAGE SUMMARY OF IT ALL JUST SO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I TALKED ABOUT THE LAST 800 PAGES!!!"
Followed by, "Ending? Who gives a shit."

An in-book summary?  Lawdy ;D

Is there a summary of the summary?


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: myrkul on April 11, 2013, 11:11:52 PM
So is it a case of "I have a lot to say" or is it a case of "I have a lot of fluff" :P
"I have a lot to say, and I'm going to say it over and over again to make sure you get it."

Yeah, that. Or even
"I have a lot to say, and this story will cover a lot of twists and turns and things and concepts, and and OH HAI HERE'S A 100 PAGE SUMMARY OF IT ALL JUST SO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I TALKED ABOUT THE LAST 800 PAGES!!!"
Followed by, "Ending? Who gives a shit."

An in-book summary?  Lawdy ;D

Is there a summary of the summary?

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Rassah on April 11, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
No, as in an unnecessary 50+ page chapter that is quite literally a monologue speech given by John Galt about all the concepts and ideas that were drilled into your head already by the actual story from the previous 800 pages. It was quite unnecessary (unless that was supposed to be the "cheat" cliff notes for those who were required to read it in school, as in, "Hey man, just read from page 800. That's all you need to know for the test.")


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: vladxp300 on July 02, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
Has anyone watched the Atlas Shrugged trilogy that was based on the book? I have realized that the Bitcoin logo appeared in the Part 3 of Atlas Shrugged movie at 1:10:00 during the scene of the people's revolution against the government (Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6tkh/bitcoin_logo_appeared_in_atlas_shrugged_movie/). Very interesting stuff happening. And we the early adapters of bitcoin are the scientists, inventors, dreamers, etc. who John Galt in the story envisions to keep our society running. So, this is what we should ask now: "Who Is Satoshi Nakamoto?"


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: BADecker on July 02, 2015, 03:39:38 PM
I've heard extraordinarily bad things about this book; anyone care to explain what it's about in a couple of sentences?

Think for yourself. Be yourself.





That sounds like a good premise for a book.  So that only leaves the question: why's it getting so much hate?

For the same reason that many people seem to hate Bitcoin, I guess.
Truer words have never been spoken.

Here's what it is about... from the movie Easy Rider: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyaUtnWr8Gw.

:)


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: Gleb Gamow on July 02, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
http://www.echan.jp/RainbowJag/lfcity.htm

Quote
And the four travelers all decided to put their money where their mouths were by becoming founding grantors of  Laissez Faire City and two of them leapt off a bridge just to seal it in style. As I hung there dangling above the river still 100 feet below I reflected that an existing founder had jumped FIRST. Now how many businesses have that kind of chutzpah? Look at what they have to offer and decide for yourself....

In case you're wondering who the other two founders were, Sonny Vleisides of BFL and his Daddy-O, James Ray Houston, the Silver King of Nevada.

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=5158

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       The scheme, advertised in The Economist, is to lease 100 square mile
of territory and build Laissez Faire City.  If Tony Blair takes over
Britain, the nation's lost Thatcherites will be able to flee to a place
dedicated to the open market and free of all government for 50 years.
        "It is an amazing adventure, aimed at freeing the potential of the
world's entrepreneurs from the vice of collectivism," said Sonny Vleisides,
a computing consultant who is among the founders. "If you want to dig a well
on your property and provide yourself with water, then you dig a well.
There's nobody to tell you your well is too deep, too wide, or interferes
with the water table."
        The project's Costa Rica-based trustees hope to begin building
within three years.  Last week the post brought an enthusiasic response from
Britain:  business people, students, pensioners, a trainee surgeon and a
barrister were among those who could see their future in a libertarian
Utopia without taxes, customs regulations or red tape.  The aim is to
emulate Hong Kong, an area of barren rocks when China granted a lease to a
British consortium in 1898.

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http://seasteading.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/lfc_economist_ad.jpg


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
Post by: BADecker on July 02, 2015, 09:55:22 PM
Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead was made into a Gary Cooper movie in 1949.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M83deqmHuAU

http://putlocker.is/watch-the-fountainhead-online-free-putlocker.html

http://www.hulu.com/watch/354342

:)


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
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http://gomoviess.is/tt0041386-watch-The-Fountainhead-online-putlocker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swOxKu80JpU


Title: Re: Bitcoin and Atlas Shrugged
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