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What happened:: Long story short, I have just discovered that the user girlbtc.com is ripping off my work for their signature campaign.

Scammers Profile Link: girlbtc.com (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=458172)

Reference Link: Here is my signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1633979.0) started 2nd October
And here is their signature campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651437.0) started just today (http://archive.is/ydHEJ).
Amount Scammed: Hard to put numbers to intellectual property, but this is about principles.
Payment Method/Proof of Payment/PM/Chat Logs:: None.
Additional Notes: Comparison (https://i.snag.gy/yP7XYi.jpg)

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Update: girl btc and I were abled to find a solution that works for both sides. While the initial situation didn't change, I'm OK with the outcome as of now and won't hold it against them, hence I removed my rating.

I pinged them that they should not do so , may be they want to get exempted from paying for signature design , but it is really not a good courtesy.
It is something called plagiarizing..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651437.msg16591838#msg16591838

While I agree that Girlbtc.com has copied your work, this would be better suited to be put into the Reputation thread, not the scam, unless you are making the allegation that GirlBTC.com is scamming users?

I can't recall off the top of my head where I've seen it recently, but other UID's have used other UID's works as templates for their own and attributed the original work which GirlBTC.com hasn't done.

Because you are on the DT, your red flag has been copy-catted by others, which I guess you are ok with / what you set out to achieve - copying of your work.

As with any "scam accusation", the obvious question is "Did you contact this person first?"  Are there any screen shots / text of these conversations?  Did GirlBTC.com make an admission of copying your work?

When you say intellectual property, how did you create your own work?

If you review this trust wall https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=663403 you will see both myself and -Oxygen u=877812 have left neutral trust on their trust wall for what can only truly be described as "PLAGIARISM" - I can do the same here - that is to say leave neutral trust for plagiarism, if you like?

Thanks for reading.

I usually get paid for my work as a campaign manager. Taking it, or parts of it, without compensating me for that is a scam in my book, as it's causing me financial damage.

There's a thin line between inspiration and plagiarism, which we often see in copyright law. This case however is more than clear.
The user didn't select my thread as a template, they copied 99% of it.

I'm not on DT to make money, it is however one of the reasons why I manage campaigns.
If someone backs up one of my feedbacks, that is supporting my point, hence helping. Copying my threads is not, it's damaging. There's the difference.

They tried to buy their way out of the situation with leaving me a positive feedback, at which point I decided to not pursue any further PM contact with the user.
"You are a professianal Signature Compain Manager, who make the details clear enough, that's why I choose and copy you , I just put a positive trust on you."

With a keyboard, cherry MX red switches and my 10 finger. Need a picture?

Leave trust up to your own standards.
I described the situation and whether you want to a feedback for it, and what sort of feedback it is, should be up to you.

Thanks Timelord2067

you have said what I want to say

and to Lutpin

1.I am not going to disagree with you , that I did copy your thread and made a campaign.  because at that time , I think all campaigns are the same , there are no copyright. And the purpose of the campaign is to make the forum active.

2. ok, you are still thinking of copyright or something called plagiarism.  Ok I am sorry for what I have done, and immediately PMed you for solutions. you ignored all my PMs and opened this  Scam Accusations, which put me in a  bad situation.

3.I changed the Signature Design,and also  locked the old thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651437.0)  ,started a new thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651598.0) with nothing similar to you  almost immediately to show that I am positive and friendly  to  make this accident down.  also leaved a positive trust on you to mark your are a good Signature Campaign Manager.

I did all I can do to show that I am friendly and no offence to your great work.

However leaving or not leaving the neg trust is your right.


Best wishes

Is plagiarism ever okay? You may have thought that all campaigns were the same, but then why wouldn't you bother checking other campaigns? Or perhaps creating your own, with inspiration from Lutpin's layout?

Your new thread still has essentially the same things on it. Changing a few words here and there doesn't mean it's not plagiarism. You pretty much just removed centering and changed about 20 words, along with some of the text in the signature. I can't copy someone's essay, go into thesaurus.com and switch up a couple of words to state that it is my own. Also, leaving a positive trust has no purpose whatsoever.

About plagiarism: it doesn't matter if you apologized or PMed for solutions - it doesn't change the fact that you did it. And I would like to think that most people understand that copying work is not okay. At all.

Make no mistake girlbtc.com - I am not on your side.  I simply wanted to say something and so I have.

well lutpin is right but I think for copying and now that he has apologized I dont see a reason why you want to keep the red trust still

Moreover I see you are against site owners ( gambling ) is it because you just want to down others sites for the rise of cryto-games ?

Anyhow I dont think he deserves a redtrust mate.

Dear Lutpin,
I made a mistake by opening a signature campaign with pretty similar assets that you made.
I didn't made any money or generated any profit from your signature. I was unaware of plagiarism of reusing your OP contents and signature code. I will not repeat the same.
I'm sorry.
I am going to hire a manager to have complete different OP for my signature campiagn. Also will order appropriate new signature code.
I will remove all contents wherever I have used your assets.
Kind regards,
girlbtc.com


edit:  our campaign now , you can check
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1651598.0

At a moment at my life i had an website matesgate.biz

After some months a guy copied my payment sistem that 6 years ago was kind of unic on all the internet...

That guy send some good emails and my site was down for 1 month.

So yeah. fuck it copy/paste.

if you want to do something good, do it with your mind :D

if you only asked Lutpin if you could use his (very well written) infos...he would have surely helped you to inplement your campaign...the problem here is not being sorry...the problem is the mental "starting point". It makes the difference! So if i was Lutpin i woudnt remove his red either if you "say" you are sorry.

I can not be in Lutpin position but every person is learning from mistakes. A neutral I think it could be enough.

It will be interesting if at a moment bitcointalk to be connected to the bitcoin network and give some special fees for scammers and etc. Till that moment this is just a forum.

You mean you want to centralize the bitcoin network?

1. That goes completely against the point of the decentralized network.
2. That can't even be enforced since scammers would just send the coins to some other address and continue scamming with new addresses. If you are to refute this by stating that the fees will carry on, then that can simply be abused by people to have others charged extra fees for no reason.

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And at the end of it, you can't really say who's a scammer. Anything can be faked, and if this "idea" were to be implemented in whatever way, what's to stop people from using someone else's address and fake-scamming someone to increase their fees? Think about it for a second.

this is a very good example of trust abuse....
plagiarism means you can not trust people when it comes to deals?
I'm not condoning plagarism in any way but a neutral trust rating would of been more than enough. By the looks of things girlbtc runs a gambling game, now that reputation is tarnished because he used your work.
Maybe someone should negative DT you for condoning signature campaign spam, but creating a signature campaign design? That would be just as absurd as this scam thread.

Loan scammer crawl back to your rat hole POS  ::)


Victim MY ASS  ::) that's just TYPICAL LAZY scammer talk  ::) ::) 

You copied someone's stuff without their permission/consent/without recognition.   Then have the nerve to be called a "victim"?? I haven't a clue why anyone would play at your site, let alone participate in promoting you geez people are that desperate
hell, they must be part of your "crew" no one can be that stupid.

From what I can tell, Girlbtc.com cultural norms that are generally accepted throughout the western world. It also appears that Girlbtc.com responds to negative situations in a way that is not generally socially accepted in much of the western world, however they appear to respond in a way that they think is acceptable.

From what I can see, once something is explained to girlbtc.com why something is wrong, and why a certain action will make this right, then they will do the right thing.

I agree that Girlbtc.com was copying the OP's thread, however I am unsure of the value of what was plagiarized. There is a sticky thread in auctions that gives a recommended format of how to create auction threads, and there is a very limited number of formatting options that SMF allows. Having a fixed number of spots in signature campaigns is not something that Lutpin came up with, and the specific rates that he is offering is not realistically proprietary. Having rules in a signature campaign is fairly standard, and the rules that Lutpin imposes in his thread are fairly standard -- I would argue that the specific rules are almost "standard language" and would not reasonably be considered intellectual property. The "form" that needs to be filled out in order to join a campaign is also fairly standard.

What is copied from Lutpin is the exact order of how all the relevant information is laid out, the improper use of the center formatting feature, and the number of spaces between sections.

In regards to financial harm does to Lutpin, if I were considering to hire someone to be a signature campaign manager, I don't think how a signature campaign manger designs his signature campaign threads would be on the list of qualifications I would consider.

Most importantly, it appears that Girlbtc.com has corrected the issue and their thread is no longer copying the OP's thread.

+1

I think lutpin should move the neg . At least to normal .

Everyone make mistakes ,don't kill some good guy with your law.

Give them a chance ,may be someday not far from today, you will get understanding by someone else when you are in girlbtc 's situation

The moment you use ctrl-c/ctrl-v and the awareness of doing so...says it all about your "trusthworty" attitude. There is no west/no east "norms" about that: you use ctrl-c/ctrl-v hence you must take your responsabilities of doing so.

To me the attitude "let's copy this and let's see if anyone complain" cant be forgiven only because it was thought like this "让我们复制此，让我们看看是否有人抱怨"

+1 to Lutpin, definitely.

LOL for the Chinese proverb.

IMO, Copy and pasting other people's work without asking their permission first isn't a good attitude in any community but it's up to Lutpin to forgive or not.
I also think that the negative should be changed to neutral since they corrected it after it was pointed out.

Just for the lolz:

Did you get the permission from Game of Thrones copyright holders to use their IP in your avatar, which you're notoriously using in connection with your commercial activities of campaign managing?

Dude really? Your translator broken?

Taking something from another is theft including designs/images, etc.  In what world do you live in where its ok to just take someone else's shit? Cuz I'll move right next door.  :D

I'm gonna sit and make something then have someone click copy paste without even an acknowledgement fuck you

Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice shame on me  ::)

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/Ft4Jo#selection-1777.0-1855.288

A quick check of QuickSeller's latest posts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=358020;sa=showPosts http://archive.is/UZv6a shows they are only posting a bare one or two posts per fortnight to limp towards "Legendary" status, they are at 1,006 posts (the max required to atain "Legendary" is 1,008 - coincidence?)

As a previous poster has noticed, Lutpin has taken an image from a TV series and used it as their profile image (while my profile picture isn't actually from a TV series, or promotional material) - so by your strict definition, has Lutpin stolen?  Just showing how somethings can be grey.

It's amazing how you can trip over something sometimes...

http://archive.is/TNGb8#selection-1139.0-624.138


http://archive.is/FBeR6#selection-3041.0-3044.4

1. It's not really up to what you think. It's Lutpin's negative rating because Lutpin got ripped off.
2. If I walked into your house and stole from you, you called me out on it and I gave it back, do you now trust me?

He has just expressed his opinion (just like you did just now) because that's what this thread is for. If Lutpin wasn't interested in community's judgement, he would've just left trust feedback without starting this thread (or locked it).


Comparing stealing physical goods with IP rights infringement sounds retarded 99% of the time. But I'll play along:

You stole something, got called on it, gave it back, apologised, promised not to do it anymore. Should you be jailed for the rest of your life, or should you be given a chance to compensate for your wrongdoing? If the latter, what (in your opinion) should Girlbtc.com do to have the negative removed?

@your other post and this one:

The area is not Gray. You are comparing something that does not make $ versus something that does not. An avatar picture is if you want to go there a promotion or a like. Without making reference to it for any business purpose. If you use the avatar to make $ or $ from traffic etc any gain then YES it's a violation theft infringement etc. If you claim u own that image of Mickey mouse (1 everyone would think ur nuts) put it on your website selling mm goods ya you get in trouble for theft.

I wouldn't be pissed AND IF Girlbtc.com would of even just gave credit to Design owner THEN at the worst this would be would be HEY girlbtc.com take it down or change it.

That is not the edit*case here. Just straight up copy paste oh I'm busted sorry. Doesn't make it ok. It was done. Lol that's like tellin a cop oh sorry I'm drunk driving. Let me call a cab now no need to arrest me.

Feedback and thread reference is up to someone to read. Girlbtc.com STOLE plain n simple

Jailed? What prevents someone aside from a ban to post on this forum?

Pedophiles are listed in every state registery. Criminals carry a record. Your logic is commit a crime and no one outside should know?

Yes you steal from me we  aren't gonna be friends no more guess that's jail too cuz I should say oh it's ok lol you stole from me but gave it back let's go have a beer lol. I don't think so.

The fact that someone is (attempting) to profit when infringing on a copyright is irrelevant. If lutpin wants to be all high and mighty about IP law/rights, then it would probably be a good idea to take down that what is almost certainly copyrighted pictures in his thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1363152.0), and avatar, rather then complain about someone copying his thread, that I can almost certainly tell you that does not contain any legal copyright protections anywhere in the world.

I think this situation is another example as to Lutpin's immaturity.

Okey~
So then when admitting to it and "doing the right thing" doesn't work on turning that red trust into a neutral one, next step would be ? :


Bring out the "BIAS" and "COMPETITION" card. If that still doesn't do it :


Viola, there goes the "I AM THE VICTIM".

That how a truly sorry and repentant person acts?  ::) ::)

*I don't usually get into this kinds of threads, I'm just an 'audience', but that VICTIM part really got to me. Yeah, he's got people speaking for him, taking his side, throwing mud against lutpin instead, then saying he's really sorry, won't do it again. Finally, turns out he's the victim instead? wow. Feels like a movie.

* Oh and please, don't turn this into some kind of philosophical/ethical debate. Fact is, when some steals your work, you'll get angry. Now, if you were the owner of that game of thrones pic, then feel free say what you want. Come on, if someone stole your work, it would be okay? And go like, yeah, sure go ahead.  (Especially when said thief, turns around and dares say the they're victim?) wow. really.

Ok, I will keep silent . For my broken English, I have made a lot of mistakes.(including copy the thread of Lutpin, there is some reason that I am not confident with my English, I just want to use sth that is right)

I was not really mean sth by the word "victim". The tone in Chinese means “好吧，我中枪了！” it　is　ａ　humorous way to tell others  something not expected happened in spoken Chinese. no offence to anyone. after someone tell me the word "victim" may make Lutpin angry again, I deleted that post immediately.

And you all can check all the history of my account, to find out what kind of man I am. from 2015/2  running onevsone game.

Ok ,keep silent from now on except the updates of girlbtc.com's thread.

I think the data of trans of two address  of girlbtc  will tell you all  what is happening to www.girlbtc.com

And please don't reply this thread any more, if not that important. we should focus on sth more valued, shouldn't we? The argument here means nothing but wasting your time, right? With the time you are wasting , why not learn something or do some contribution to the bitcoin. Or just go to Gym. Or .............however life is short , a lot of things need to be done. thx

All the best to you. :)

If I went crazy, lost my mind, started using heavy drugs and ended up stealing because of a long downward spiral yes I would expect some consequences. You're joking right? You say tangible items being stolen vs virtual property is different yet you compare negative trust to being jailed for life!?!?!?

Holy shit man. A theif is a theif. When you click that little word beside girlbtc.com's name what does it say, jail for life? or does it say trust? I don't trust theives. It's easy to say you'd trust them, but what if they actually stole from you?!

How to get rid of the negative trust?

Be a good fucking person and model citizen on bitcointalk then beg Lutpin to switch it to neutral, or see if he would like a settlement for the work that you ripped off and profited (or attempted to profit) from.

IMO it is right for Lutpin to start a scam accusation against someone who copied his work just like that, and it is right for girlbtc.com to understand that is not acceptable and fix it.
OP may consider revising the trust feedback on girlbtc.com now that she (or he) has realized and corrected this.

Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.  ;D