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Title: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2010, 01:35:44 AM
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t)

Ill just leave this here :)


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: jgarzik on November 06, 2010, 03:33:12 AM
Selfishly, I'd prefer the non-obfuscated URL :)

http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/



Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2010, 05:42:17 AM
Selfishly, I'd prefer the non-obfuscated URL :)

http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/


lazily I copy and pasted that one  :P


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on November 06, 2010, 07:26:02 PM
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t)

Ill just leave this here :)

Actually as far as i understand currency calculations, [all bitcoins in existence] x [current exchange USD] != [total value of all bitcoins in USD].
So the whole market is probably worth less than 1.000.000 USD, but i have no idea how much exactly.

How does one calculate such things ?


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: Bimmerhead on November 06, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t (http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2Z0rOH/bitcoinwatch.com//r:t)

Ill just leave this here :)

Actually as far as i understand currency calculations, [all bitcoins in existence] x [current exchange USD] != [total value of all bitcoins in USD].
So the whole market is probably worth less than 1.000.000 USD, but i have no idea how much exactly.

How does one calculate such things ?

4.5 million BTC in circulation x $0.2899 USD (last trade on MTGox) = $1,304,550 USD.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: jgarzik on November 06, 2010, 07:33:25 PM
Bitcoin Watch creates an average USD/BTC price by looking at mtgox and bitcoinmarket, then multiplies the result by the number of bitcoins in existence.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: ribuck on November 06, 2010, 08:13:01 PM
I think ShadowOfHarbringer is alluding to the fact that if all the bitcoins were sold at once, it would depress the price below the current price, so that $1 million wouldn't actually be achieved.

Of course it's impossible that everyone would sell their bitcoins at once, and this kind of thinking doesn't stop people talking about the "total stock market capitalization" of a company even though it's equally theoretical.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: FreeMoney on November 06, 2010, 08:39:15 PM
I think ShadowOfHarbringer is alluding to the fact that if all the bitcoins were sold at once, it would depress the price below the current price, so that $1 million wouldn't actually be achieved.

Of course it's impossible that everyone would sell their bitcoins at once, and this kind of thinking doesn't stop people talking about the "total stock market capitalization" of a company even though it's equally theoretical.

Of course if you tried to buy them all at once it would cost way more than $1M.

It's not a useful measure for anything serious, kind of like measuring GDP in dollars.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: jgarzik on November 06, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
I think ShadowOfHarbringer is alluding to the fact that if all the bitcoins were sold at once, it would depress the price below the current price, so that $1 million wouldn't actually be achieved.

Of course this is true.

However, that is the standard definition of market cap elsewhere:  share price times number of shares.  Obviously, if everybody sold MSFT (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=MSFT+Key+Statistics), their market cap would not be $229 billion.  It's merely a snapshot of "right now" and nothing more.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: nanotube on November 07, 2010, 04:38:57 AM
I think ShadowOfHarbringer is alluding to the fact that if all the bitcoins were sold at once, it would depress the price below the current price, so that $1 million wouldn't actually be achieved.

Of course this is true.

However, that is the standard definition of market cap elsewhere:  share price times number of shares.  Obviously, if everybody sold MSFT (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=MSFT+Key+Statistics), their market cap would not be $229 billion.  It's merely a snapshot of "right now" and nothing more.

haha, that's exactly the example i gave on irc when this topic came up - microsoft.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: bober182 on November 07, 2010, 04:49:14 AM
Hahaha! Expect, I know as a fact that 0.5 bitcoins are missing as my friend used the bitcoin faucet, but then forgot to backup his PC and he reinstalled Windows.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: FreeMoney on November 07, 2010, 06:25:06 AM
Hahaha! Expect, I know as a fact that 0.5 bitcoins are missing as my friend used the bitcoin faucet, but then forgot to backup his PC and he reinstalled Windows.

But now that we know this we will bid up the price. See 1.25M already.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on November 07, 2010, 01:51:37 PM
Hahaha! Expect, I know as a fact that 0.5 bitcoins are missing as my friend used the bitcoin faucet, but then forgot to backup his PC and he reinstalled Windows.

But now that we know this we will bid up the price. See 1.25M already.

ROTFL.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: ribuck on November 07, 2010, 02:07:51 PM
... my friend used the bitcoin faucet, but then forgot to backup his PC ...
He should be more careful. It's now up to $1.5 million.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: SmokeTooMuch on November 10, 2010, 06:37:06 PM
down to 968724 USD )-;


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: ShadowOfHarbringer on November 10, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
down to 968724 USD )-;

Too much speculation.
~0.20$ is the real current value. The rest is speculation.


Title: Re: Bitcoin economy passes US $1 Million!
Post by: MoonShadow on November 10, 2010, 11:53:52 PM
down to 968724 USD )-;

Too much speculation.
~0.20$ is the real current value. The rest is speculation.

That's an opinion, and it might be a fine one, but I have one as well.

I think that a lot of this run up was pent up demand due to the MtGox PayPal scandal.  Once payment processing was solved, dollars were trying to get into MtGox to find it's level, and now it has.  I imagine that the slow march back towards parity will continue, but the voltility of the past two weeks will be dampened for a time.