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Title: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 19, 2016, 04:46:06 AM
https://wajur.com wants to create the easiest and most enjoyable mobile gambling experience.  We need your help to make the site buttery smooth.

Wajur is launching its first ever "Feedback Campaign" to gather real feedback from real players who really engaged with the site.  When we ask for feedback, we want both the good and the bad.  We want to know what was confusing and we want to understand anything that might make you unlikely to play again.  We are always open to suggestions for new features and games.

In order to participate, we require users who are at bitcointalk.org "member" level or above.  We know this sounds unfair to newer members, but the truth is that it's easy to create accounts at https://wajur.com, but we need to be able to verify identities.  

Players must:
1. must be Member rank or above at bitcointalk.org
2. have or create an account at https://wajur.com
3. deposit at least 0.02 BTC
4. play all five of the games with BTC
5. play at least 10 hands/spins on a MOBILE browser
6. post wajur.com nickname and feedback here

The first 30 qualified posters are eligible!

This isn't like most campaigns.  You folks have to trust us to determine who is accessing the site with a mobile browser.  We are not trying to force people into the most common choices, and we actually encourage you to use uncommon mobile browsers -- just let us know if you're going rogue!

Funds (0.33 BTC) are still escrowed with Lutpin from our last campaign.

Rewards:
  • Member - 0.004 BTC
  • Full Member - 0.006 BTC
  • Senior Member - 0.008 BTC
  • Hero+ Member - 0.01 BTC

Additional Prizes:
  • Most Useful Feedback - 0.01 BTC
  • Most Video Poker Hands Played - 0.008 BTC
  • Most BlackJack Hands Played - 0.008 BTC
  • Most Slots Pulls Played - 0.008 BTC
  • Most Stack5 Drops - 0.008 BTC

Anyone eligible to participate in the main promotion is also eligible for the Additional Prizes.  If you are not logged in to https://wajur.com while playing, we cannot track your participation.  Anonymous plays will not count toward the Additional Prizes.

This campaign ends on Saturday Nov. 26th.  Payouts on Nov 27th.

Sincerely, The Wajur Folks!


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: Vod on November 19, 2016, 05:17:19 AM
Rest assured that funds (0.2 BTC) are still escrowed from our last campaign.

Who is this escrow so we can verify?


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: mexxer-2 on November 19, 2016, 05:25:00 AM
Rest assured that funds (0.2 BTC) are still escrowed from our last campaign.

Who is this escrow so we can verify?
AFAIK the escrow for their campaign was Lutpin and there still seems to be 0.33 remaining in the address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640298.msg16498964#msg16498964). OP should ask Lutpin to reconfirm here.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 19, 2016, 04:01:04 PM
Rest assured that funds (0.2 BTC) are still escrowed from our last campaign.

Who is this escrow so we can verify?
AFAIK the escrow for their campaign was Lutpin and there still seems to be 0.33 remaining in the address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640298.msg16498964#msg16498964). OP should ask Lutpin to reconfirm here.

Indeed, Lutpin still holds the escrow.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 22, 2016, 03:12:48 AM
We wish to clarify that you must be logged in to https://wajur.com for your plays to count toward this promotion.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: DarkStar_ on November 22, 2016, 03:19:45 AM
5. play at least 10 hands/spins on a MOBILE browser
Do those have to be BTC spins, or can they be free plays? Anyway, I'm in when I get the chance to deposit.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: stiffbud on November 22, 2016, 03:19:55 AM

3. deposit at least 0.02 BTC

Why is the deposit requirement to high?The prize for my rank only is 0.008 btc which is not even half of the amount that I am risking. I am not also sure if I will win in the game or not to get an additional prize. Can't it be lowered to smaller amount?


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: muratsink on November 22, 2016, 03:30:26 AM
I must depo 0.02BTC to join this campaign?


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: kotwica666 on November 22, 2016, 03:41:11 AM
Actually good question from stiffbud.. So, to earn from your "campaign" someone have to risk 0.02 BTC to win 0.004 BTC (i mean "Member" rank)?
Additional bonuses are ok, but as i understand only for higher rank.
Maybe i miss something in my calculations, but i don't see any clear benefits for lower rank participants.
Someone can clarify that?


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: BlackMambaPH on November 22, 2016, 05:00:48 AM
You guys no need to worry because some of funds is in escrow by Lutpin. You can contact Lutpin once Wajur.com scammed you.

Let try to participate no need to worry :D  

Who is this escrow so we can verify?
AFAIK the escrow for their campaign was Lutpin and there still seems to be 0.33 remaining in the address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1640298.msg16498964#msg16498964). OP should ask Lutpin to reconfirm here.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 22, 2016, 12:30:22 PM
Actually good question from stiffbud.. So, to earn from your "campaign" someone have to risk 0.02 BTC to win 0.004 BTC (i mean "Member" rank)?
Additional bonuses are ok, but as i understand only for higher rank.
Maybe i miss something in my calculations, but i don't see any clear benefits for lower rank participants.
Someone can clarify that?

Sorry for any confusion.  We realize this is an unusual type of campaign.

Everyone who is eligible to participate in this campaign is also eligible for the "Additional Prizes". 

The rewards which scale by membership rank are for participation only, whereas the "Additional Prizes" have fixed payouts.

-The Wajur Folks



Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 22, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
5. play at least 10 hands/spins on a MOBILE browser
Do those have to be BTC spins, or can they be free plays? Anyway, I'm in when I get the chance to deposit.

Good question DarkStar_, it wasn't explicit.

All 10 mobile spins have to be for BTC*.  At https://wajur.com, we only associate the activity with your account if you are logged in, and if you are logged in you are using "real money".

There is no problem using a desktop to make your deposits and play some hands.  It's very easy to use the same account on multiple devices.  We just want to ensure that feedback comes from people who have at least some experience with our site in the mobile environment it's tailored for.


* Note: real money spins will be counted for litecoin and dogecoin as well.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 23, 2016, 02:19:42 AM
Why is the deposit requirement to high?The prize for my rank only is 0.008 btc which is not even half of the amount that I am risking. I am not also sure if I will win in the game or not to get an additional prize. Can't it be lowered to smaller amount?

I must depo 0.02BTC to join this campaign?

Actually good question from stiffbud.. So, to earn from your "campaign" someone have to risk 0.02 BTC to win 0.004 BTC (i mean "Member" rank)?
Additional bonuses are ok, but as i understand only for higher rank.
Maybe i miss something in my calculations, but i don't see any clear benefits for lower rank participants.
Someone can clarify that?


Any eligible participant is expected to at least break even unless they purposefully spend more coin than necessary to meet our basic requirements.

Let's do the math.

The minimum slots bet amount is approximately 0.00027BTC (it varies based on exchange rate, but it's not volatile).  Therefore, you could satisfy the "10 hands/spins on a MOBILE browser" requirement by risking only 0.0027BTC.  On Blackjack or Video Poker you'd be hard pressed to lose 10 in a row, but on slots it can happen, so let's assume you lose the entire 0.0027BTC.

We also have the requirement that you "play all five of the games with BTC".  If you bet the minimum for the 4 additional games (note that one game has a slightly higher minimum bet), it would cost you an additional 0.00135BTC.

So, if you did the minimum work and lost every play, which is unlikely, you would only be down 0.0027 + 0.00135 == 0.00405BTC.

The minimum payout for participants is, you guessed it, 0.004BTC, and that's for the lowest eligible member rank with no additional prizes.

There is no reason not to participate.  There isn't even a reason to restrict yourself to the bare minimum of plays. 


-The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 25, 2016, 03:10:30 AM
There are only two days left in this campaign, and so far no one has posted feedback. 

At this rate, anyone who qualifies for a normal payout will also win an Additional Prize worth at least 0.008 BTC.

- The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: magneto on November 25, 2016, 05:27:23 AM
First one to post, do I get a bonus for being the courageous first person? :D (Also do i need to provide an address for payment, or will you guys send to my wajur account?)
Nickname: Magneto


Feedback:

First of all, I LOVE the dark theme. Just so much different from the other casinos who usually go with a lighter or slicker theme. You get so much of that slickness that it becomes boring. Sometimes casinos go for the minimalist design, but it just becomes boring. I think that Wajur has a good balance between theme and simplicity. It is efficient but simple. I love it. Please don't change it.

Also, keep the no confirmation deposits. As a gambler I know that sometimes the urge to gamble is very strong and I would like to get the money credited to my account asap instead of waiting ages for the deposit - i believe that you are better off keeping that there than not. But do consider implementing blockcypher confidence scores. E.g. if the confidence score is less than 90% you ask people to wait for 1 confirmation, if not they can play instantly. Just to prepare yourself against no fee transactions or double spend attempts.

The thing that I noticed being negative was that you only had a few options when betting as to the amount - 0.27 mBTC, 0.54 mBTC, 1 something mBTC or 2 or so mBTC. I think that people would like to choose their own bet amounts, especially with such awkward amounts. If you want to go with fixed bet amounts only, considering adding the function of changing the value of each credit, so that people can actually choose to bet higher if they want to. Also consider changing the bet amounts to ones in decimal increments.

With the slots, maybe make it more interesting with bonus rounds or multiple lines. Right now it feels like you have a low chance of winning big, and with multiple lines it feels so much better to play with in my opinion. The plinko/stack 5 is great, however I think you should at least offer a few more choices for the gambler than only the 10/2/1/0/0/1/2/10 choice. Or even perhaps let the gambler choose their own combination, like Bitvest.

It seems like that you have gone with no chatrooms. However I'd say get one and build up the community and also the repeat customers. Create a gambling atmosphere and more people would come back.

A small faucet should also keep people busy when they are out of funds, and engage them with the chatbox. Consider also to get a referral campaign going to boost the amount of people playing, especially when you are starting out small.

Hope this review has some value to you guys, overall I can see that you guys have put a lot of work into the site. Keep it up ;)


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: examplens on November 25, 2016, 09:58:45 AM
There are only two days left in this campaign, and so far no one has posted feedback. 

At this rate, anyone who qualifies for a normal payout will also win an Additional Prize worth at least 0.008 BTC.

- The Wajur Folks

maybe if you ask a lower deposit (3. deposit at least 0.02 BTC) you will get more joined member
0.02 is too high depo rate


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 25, 2016, 01:22:17 PM
There are only two days left in this campaign, and so far no one has posted feedback. 

At this rate, anyone who qualifies for a normal payout will also win an Additional Prize worth at least 0.008 BTC.

- The Wajur Folks

maybe if you ask a lower deposit (3. deposit at least 0.02 BTC) you will get more joined member
0.02 is too high depo rate


We are open to lowering the minimum deposit, but it may be perceived as unfair to the people who are already participating if we change the rules so close to the end.

Likewise, there are some people who previously refused to participate due to the deposit size, but who now will have insufficient time or opportunity.

We are also open to extending the campaign if we make changes to the rules, but only if posters here agree to the idea.

- The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 25, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
First one to post, do I get a bonus for being the courageous first person? :D (Also do i need to provide an address for payment, or will you guys send to my wajur account?)
Nickname: Magneto

Hi Magneto, thanks for playing!  You successfully qualified by playing all 5 games, with a strong emphasis on Stack5 and you used an iPhone for some of it.  Well done.

We will deposit your rewards in your https://wajur.com account when the campaign/tournament is over.  Until then, we don't know what Additional Prizes you qualified for.

In retrospect, we should have had a "first person to post qualified feedback" award.  If you don't qualify for any additional prizes, we will invent that prize for you.

We will follow up on your feedback in another post!


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: jacee on November 25, 2016, 01:42:19 PM
Okay so I tried the game today. I deposited 0.02 btc as a requirement and ended up loosing almost all my best and got 0.005 btc left at the end.  :(

username: jacee



Firstly, when I deposit the 0.02 btc it didn't immeditely appeared on my accohnt balance. I tried refreshing plenty of times but it still showed me 0, so what I did was I logged out and then logged i again and that's only when the balance appeared.  I am using the latest version of Chrome in mobile btw.

Also I think you have to fix something, I logged in then but when I click on the wajur logo on the left upper part, its showing the log in and sign up button still. Maybe you can remove that.

To start of, the site is nice. The design is good and responsive and it is pretty lite on data so playing is really smooth even when you are using a not-so-fast internet. I like the simplicity of eery pae and specially the games.
When it comes to the games, I wish you can provide more games. I didn't really liked the games because I am not a poker fan and the slots for me is really impossible to win at. I wished that the slot is a 3x3 and not only 1 line. I only liked the blackjack which is my favorite card game. Compared to other similar casino sites, unfortunately, this is by far where I oftenly lost.

Also I think it will be more appealing for gamblers if you can allow us to customize our own bets instead of the existing bets that we only have to choose from. Honestly I am not a high roller so I will prefer if I can customize bets depending on if I feel luck enough to bet high or low. Maybe just put a min. bet requirement like 10k satoshi. I'm sure that most gamblers will feel more confident to bet if they are fully free to choose what bet they will play with.

Additionally, I didn't see any way where I can see my previous bets when I am currently playing. Maybe it is just me but when I play, I want to see the results of my previous bets while I am playing. Maybe you can put an option to list the previous bets we made on the game under or somewhere where we don't have to go to the account dashboard.

You might also want to put a leaderboard somewhere or maybe in the front page well to kow the most active players and most won BTC. As a gambler myself, it excites me to play more knowin that I am listed on a leaderboard.

Overall, it's all nice. Everything is great for a startig casino. I'm sure you will get players more once you improve the site and implement more nice features. I'll be bookmarking this because I hardly see any sites which provide a simple blackjack on mobile so that's a +1 customer for you in the following days.

I forgot to add. I think it's nice if you can add an option to play a sound effects while playing.
Also I just noticed that every single deposit, the account will generate a new bitcoin address as the deposit address. So that means the previous deposit address will no longer work?

Btw, I have a question, do you accept exhange address as thw return address or not?


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 25, 2016, 02:19:30 PM
Btw, I have a question, do you accept exhange address as thw return address or not?

We accept any valid bitcoin address.  Our caution about ensuring that you "control the address" just means that you should be certain you can access any funds sent to it.  Your deposit address at an exchange is still an address you control, so that's fine.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 25, 2016, 02:43:01 PM
Okay so I tried the game today. I deposited 0.02 btc as a requirement and ended up loosing almost all my best and got 0.005 btc left at the end.  :(

username: jacee

Hi Jacee, you successfully qualified (you played all the games, used a mobile browser, etc).  You appear to be in a dominant position to capture the Blackjack Additional Prize.

We are sorry your luck wasn't better.  In fairness, you won or pushed on slightly more than half of your Blackjack hands, all of which can be downloaded from the player page in CSV format (which is easy to open in Excel or other spreadsheets).

We hope you feel like you got your money's worth, and obviously there will be at least a participation prize coming your way.

Note: your feedback will be addressed in a subsequent post!

-The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 26, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
This is the last day to compete for this campaign.  Only two players have submitted qualified feedback, so there is plenty of room for others to win the Additional Prizes.  Don't leave money sitting on the table...

-The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: magneto on November 27, 2016, 03:51:49 AM
This is the last day to compete for this campaign.  Only two players have submitted qualified feedback, so there is plenty of room for others to win the Additional Prizes.  Don't leave money sitting on the table...

-The Wajur Folks

It's 27th already! I was wondering whether you guys will credit me and jacee today, or will it be later?(It said in the OP that it would be today)

Thank you!


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: jacee on November 27, 2016, 06:39:44 AM
It's 27th already. I'm hoping that it'll be paid out today because I kinda needed that coins I used to riskedto day so crediting magneto and I today will really be great.
Thanks wajur team!


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: feinter on November 27, 2016, 06:53:16 AM
This is the last day to compete for this campaign.  Only two players have submitted qualified feedback, so there is plenty of room for others to win the Additional Prizes.  Don't leave money sitting on the table...

-The Wajur Folks

You will never have good feedback when you push people to risk more than they can win.
Change rules of campaign and start it one more time.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 08:42:03 AM

With the slots, maybe make it more interesting with bonus rounds or multiple lines. Right now it feels like you have a low chance of winning big, and with multiple lines it feels so much better to play with in my opinion. The plinko/stack 5 is great, however I think you should at least offer a few more choices for the gambler than only the 10/2/1/0/0/1/2/10 choice. Or even perhaps let the gambler choose their own combination, like Bitvest.

Thanks for the feedback on https://wajur.com/stack5 (https://wajur.com/stack5). We are definitely considering a variant of it. And one more thing about Stack 5, there is a betting strategy to this game, if you haven't discovered it. When a coin falls into a slot, it starts to build a stack. Once 5 coins have stacked in the same slot, the payout for said slot doubles for the next coin landing. This means that you can build a plinko grid that cannot lose on the next round, at which point you should consider a different betting strategy.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: magneto on November 27, 2016, 09:21:43 AM

With the slots, maybe make it more interesting with bonus rounds or multiple lines. Right now it feels like you have a low chance of winning big, and with multiple lines it feels so much better to play with in my opinion. The plinko/stack 5 is great, however I think you should at least offer a few more choices for the gambler than only the 10/2/1/0/0/1/2/10 choice. Or even perhaps let the gambler choose their own combination, like Bitvest.

Thanks for the feedback on https://wajur.com/stack5 (https://wajur.com/stack5). We are definitely considering a variant of it. And one more thing about Stack 5, there is a betting strategy to this game, if you haven't discovered it. When a coin falls into a slot, it starts to build a stack. Once 5 coins have stacked in the same slot, the payout for said slot doubles for the next coin landing. This means that you can build a plinko grid that cannot lose on the next round, at which point you should consider a different betting strategy.

Nice, I do realise that there is a strategy, however it wasn't very obvious at first and it took me around 6 or 7 bets before I actually realised that there was this additional feature that I could use to gain more profit.

I guess the campaign is closed today and is supposed to be paid out today as well?

EDIT: Sent you a PM regarding something else.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 02:08:44 PM
You will never have good feedback when you push people to risk more than they can win.
Change rules of campaign and start it one more time.

We may run this campaign again in the future, but no one was asked to risk more than they could win.  In a previous post we walked through the math.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
It's 27th already! I was wondering whether you guys will credit me and jacee today, or will it be later?(It said in the OP that it would be today)

Thank you!

It will be today, but bear in mind it's still early in the western hemisphere.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
It's 27th already. I'm hoping that it'll be paid out today because I kinda needed that coins I used to riskedto day so crediting magneto and I today will really be great.
Thanks wajur team!

Don't worry, we will pay today.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
Results!
Only two intrepid players took the risk, so they reap all the rewards.

Qualifiers:
jacee - Hero Member .01 BTC
Magento - Full Member 0.006 BTC


Additional Prizes:
Most Useful Feedback - 0.01 BTC - magneto
Most Video Poker Hands Played - 0.008 BTC - jacee
Most BlackJack Hands Played - 0.008 BTC - jacee (over 400!)
Most Slots Pulls Played - 0.008 BTC - jacee
Most Stack5 Drops - 0.008 BTC - jacee

Bonus Prize:
First Qualified Feedback - 0.08 BTC - magneto


jacee total 0.042 BTC
magneto total: 0.024 BTC


Your winnings have been sent to your https://wajur.com accounts!


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 27, 2016, 03:27:24 PM
We are posting our responses to individual feedback suggestions on our main thread.

Our proposal for more flexible bet amounts is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1614408.msg17010806#msg17010806


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: zef316 on November 27, 2016, 03:55:17 PM
On the deposit of 0.02 BTC at least you are offering Rewards: Member - 0.004 BTC,  Full Member - 0.006 BTC,  Senior Member - 0.008 BTC,
Hero+ Member - 0.01 BTC like this which is the lowest then the deposit, i think that only rich users will be interested in this offer.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: jacee on November 28, 2016, 12:04:18 AM
I confirm to receive the 0.042 btc in my account. Withdrawal was instant also. Thank you wajur team.


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 28, 2016, 01:22:19 AM
I confirm to receive the 0.042 btc in my account. Withdrawal was instant also. Thank you wajur team.

Thank you for participating jacee.  We know you went above and beyond by playing a large number of hands, and that makes your feedback even more valuable.

We hope you will give us more feedback after our next round of improvements.

-The Wajur Folks


Title: Re: New Wajur.com Feedback Campaign!
Post by: freedomcoinz on November 28, 2016, 01:25:09 AM
I can confirm that I have successfully received 0.024 BTC in my account. Thanks Wajur!

Thanks for playing magneto!  Note that our responses to your (and other) feedback will be directed to the main site thread going forward.