Title: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 04, 2016, 05:16:43 PM ATTENTION ALL PAPERSAFE FANS AND SERIOUS COLLECTORS
AUCTION/RAFFLE FOR LIMITED EDITION SATOSHI SANTA NOTES PLEASE READ CAREFULLY!!!!! THIS IS AN AUCTION ...THEN WILL BECOME A RAFFEL FOR THE...... FREE SATOSHI SANTA NOTE I have had this idea for a Christmas themed note for a while now and it all came together not to long ago These notes are not my standard note prints, They do not have UV embellishment or are signed and the NFC tag is NOT programmed. The NFC tag can be easily programmed from most smart phones and tablets with a personal message to the loved one you wish to give it to. And all notes are folded and come in a Bitcoin Christmas PaperSafe envelope https://i.imgur.com/4pBi2X1m.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/pSA31LMm.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/pHzXtUum.jpg FIRST ...This is an auction for 8 of the limited print run of 20 Satoshi Santa notes https://i.imgur.com/dfTaRHym.jpg All 8 notes will be auctioned off from this thread... Please post you bid and note number you would like to bid on . in this format #300 - YOUR BID -YOUR NAME #302 - 0.01 #303 - 0.01 #304 - 0.01 #305 - 0.01 #306 - 0.01 #307 - 0.01 #308 - 0.01 AUCTION ENDS 24 hours after last bid for any note .. PAST .. DECEMBER 7th at 8PM EST AFTER 24 hour after LAST BIDS for all Notes... and the Winners are declared.... THIS AUCTION BECOMES A FREE RAFFLE Each note will be assigned 0-7 and 8-F and a block # will be picked to:.... PICK the WINNER Of the RAFFLE The Raffle Winner will get Their Satoshi Santa for Free including shipping.... As a Christmas Gift and Thank You for a great year.... Also I would like to thank the User "BUCKROGERS" for his PhotoShop skills and helping make this quickly come together Buckrogers received note # 301 for his work...That is why it is missing from the numbers NOTE SECURITY FEATURES.. 2 Factor secure rub security paper Touch sensitive ink Anti copy/scan micro-printing. Anti cut/paste watermark lines UV micro threads Hologram tamper evident seal Numbered with Black 2 Embossed Seals Encrypted Private bitcoin key Single use Password key scratch off High Res graphics Programmable NFC tag Starting Bid: .01 BTC Bidding Increments: .01 BTC Shipping: +.02 BTC USA +.04 BTC WORLD WIDE Auction End Date: WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 7th 2016 - 8pm EST. WORLD WIDE : Any bids up to the end date/time will extend auction 24 hours ADVANTAGE Auction ends 24 hours after last bid. RAFFLE number assignment #300 0,8 #302 1,9 #303 2,A #304 3,B #305 4,C #306 5,D #307 6,E #308 7,F Payment methods accepted: Bitcoin Payment due within 24 hours Payment to here >> 1P2uw53UwSd7f4p6GriDB1CA4NxwL4zVa2 << Watch for scammers! --- NO BIDS from users with less then 25 activity--- ---I reserve the right to end or extend the auction for ANY unforeseen reasons--- GOOD LUCK! Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 04, 2016, 05:17:55 PM AUCTION COMPLETE
WINNING BIDS and BIDDERS #300 - 0.12 - wheelz1200 #302 - 0.09 - greenplastic #303 - 0.09 - bithalo #304 - 0.08 - chronicsky #305 - 0.08 - chronicsky #306 - 0.08 - chronicsky #307 - 0.09 - ezminer #308 - 0.08 - Rmcdermott927 [EDIT] ADDITION TO RAFFLE RULES... all notes will be Payed for before Raffle will begin Raffle winner will be contacted for refund address and the winning raffle note bid will be refunded Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: vizique on December 04, 2016, 05:19:18 PM #302 - 0.01
Viz Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Rmcdermott927 on December 04, 2016, 05:23:36 PM #308 0.05 BTC
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Hhampuz on December 04, 2016, 05:23:47 PM #302 - 0.02
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: buckrogers on December 04, 2016, 05:27:52 PM They look great @bg4
I can't wait for mine to arrive, i'll be sure to take some nice pics for the thread :) thanks, and it was a pleasure working with you :) Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Hhampuz on December 04, 2016, 05:34:36 PM There was 20 of these notes made, correct? Where is the other 12 that are not in this auction?
Are they kept by you for private collection, to other peoples collections, or are they held in storage to be sold at a later time? Just wondering, since it is a limited run, but more than what are being sold are not being sold :) Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 04, 2016, 05:35:38 PM Minerjones will be stuffing 10 into bitcoin stockings..... and 8 make a good number for a raffle
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: vizique on December 04, 2016, 05:43:51 PM #306 - 0.01
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: FFrankie on December 04, 2016, 05:54:17 PM So if I understand correctly, you could have saved the private key if you wanted?
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Zepher on December 04, 2016, 06:00:27 PM So if I understand correctly, you could have saved the private key if you wanted? Here we go again. Technically yes, BG4 could have done this, but I trust him in the respect that those private keys are secure. Also, he is not selling these as funded. If you believe BG4 has kept copies of the private keys, then don't bid. Easy. Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: FFrankie on December 04, 2016, 06:03:26 PM So if I understand correctly, you could have saved the private key if you wanted? Here we go again. Technically yes, BG4 could have done this, but I trust him in the respect that those private keys are secure. Also, he is not selling these as funded. If you believe BG4 has kept copies of the private keys, then don't bid. Easy. The only reason why I asked was because of the NFC tag, but I am going to place a bid, because Ill just put my private key on the tag. note 5 .01 btc Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 04, 2016, 06:04:11 PM So if I understand correctly, you could have saved the private key if you wanted? Just think of these as ART....that's all nothing else.. Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 04, 2016, 06:08:23 PM #303 .01B
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Lutpin on December 04, 2016, 06:08:33 PM #300 0.05
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: cryptoheadd on December 04, 2016, 06:23:16 PM #304 - 0.01 Cryptoheadd
#307 - 0.01 Cryptoheadd These Notes are awesome, BG4. :) Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: greenplastic on December 04, 2016, 06:32:30 PM HoHo!
#300- 0.11BTC - greenplastic Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: klaaas on December 04, 2016, 06:38:30 PM #303 .02B
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: digicoinuser on December 04, 2016, 10:49:40 PM #304 - 0.03BTC
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 05, 2016, 02:51:14 AM #302 .03
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Hhampuz on December 05, 2016, 02:53:25 AM #305 - 0.02BTC
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: ezeminer on December 05, 2016, 04:17:10 AM #306 - 0.02 - ezeminer
#307 - 0.02 - ezeminer Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: FFrankie on December 05, 2016, 04:18:50 AM #305 .03
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: wheelz1200 on December 05, 2016, 04:52:40 AM #303 - .03btc - wheelz1200
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: klaaas on December 05, 2016, 06:59:31 AM #306 - 0.03 #307 - 0.03 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Zepher on December 05, 2016, 07:40:26 AM #305 0.04
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: FFrankie on December 05, 2016, 08:11:50 AM 305 .05 btc I am not paying anymore then this for any of these.
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: ezeminer on December 05, 2016, 09:33:03 AM #307 - 0.04 - ezeminer
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 05, 2016, 12:10:23 PM WINNING BIDS and BIDDERS #300 - 0.11 - greenplastic #302 - 0.03 - bithalo #303 - 0.03 - wheelz1200 #304 - 0.03 - digicoinuser #305 - 0.05 - killyou72 #306 - 0.03 - klaaas #307 - 0.04 - exminer #308 - 0.05 - Rmcdermott927 [EDIT] ADDITION TO RAFFLE RULES... all notes will be Payed for before Raffle will begin Raffle winner will be contacted for refund address and the winning raffle note bid will be refunded Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Poloherb on December 05, 2016, 10:36:28 PM #306 - 0.04 - Poloherb Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: klaaas on December 06, 2016, 05:34:51 PM #302 - 0.04 - Klaaas
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 06, 2016, 06:55:47 PM #304 - .04btc
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Liad.Services on December 06, 2016, 06:58:06 PM 303 .04
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: chronicsky on December 07, 2016, 06:41:18 AM I'm confused , how it works?
I just want a note - shall i bid or what? well i will for now 302 - 0.05 306 - 0.05 304 - 0.05 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Poloherb on December 07, 2016, 10:19:58 PM #307 - 0.05
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: ezeminer on December 07, 2016, 10:43:18 PM #307 - 0.09 - ezeminer
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 07, 2016, 10:54:28 PM #303 .05
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Poloherb on December 07, 2016, 11:03:01 PM 306 - 0.06
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: wheelz1200 on December 08, 2016, 12:07:37 AM #302- .06 wheelz1200
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 08, 2016, 02:20:58 AM As of this posting ... unless someone places another bid
Auction will end tomorrow 19:07:37 EST Thursday Dec 8th 2016 Bid by: wheelz1200 at 19:07:37 today to extend for 24 hours WINNING BIDS and BIDDERS So Far #300 - 0.11 - greenplastic #302 - 0.06 - wheelz1200 #303 - 0.05 - bithalo #304 - 0.05 - chronicsky #305 - 0.05 - killyou72 #306 - 0.06 - Poloherb #307 - 0.09 - ezminer #308 - 0.05 - Rmcdermott927 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Liad.Services on December 08, 2016, 04:58:55 AM 303 .06
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 08, 2016, 12:06:52 PM Ugh...
#305 .06B Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 09, 2016, 11:09:50 AM Ugh... #305 .06B As of this post...unless another bid is made ... There is about 1 hour remaining in this Auction Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Lutpin on December 09, 2016, 11:24:02 AM #308 - 0.06BTC
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Rmcdermott927 on December 09, 2016, 11:38:39 AM #308 0.08 BTC
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Liad.Services on December 09, 2016, 11:48:46 AM #308 - 0.06BTC You must be kidding me.Guys if you want to bid don't wait to the last 10 minutes. It wont help. So.. another 24 hours now? Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: ezeminer on December 10, 2016, 12:18:43 AM #308 - 0.06BTC You must be kidding me.Guys if you want to bid don't wait to the last 10 minutes. It wont help. So.. another 24 hours now? AUCTION ENDS 24 hours after last bid for any note .. PAST .. DECEMBER 7th at 8PM EST AFTER 24 hour after LAST BIDS for all Notes... and the Winners are declared....] Auction End Date: WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 7th 2016 - 8pm EST. WORLD WIDE : Any bids up to the end date/time will extend auction 24 hours ADVANTAGE Auction ends 24 hours after last bid. So yeah, I'll see you guys next year when the auction finally ends. Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 10, 2016, 05:44:36 AM #308 0.08 BTC As of this post and RMcdermott927's bid... Less then 6 hours ,unless another bid... Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: FFrankie on December 10, 2016, 06:50:48 AM 304. 06
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: monkeynuts on December 10, 2016, 08:11:56 AM Haha. This won't finish before santa comes at this rate!
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Liad.Services on December 10, 2016, 08:20:20 AM 304. 06 Why did you wait with your bid?sometimes I feel like people are trolling here. Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Lauda on December 10, 2016, 08:24:26 AM Why did you wait with your bid? https://i.imgur.com/4GW63nw.png Haha. This won't finish before santa comes at this rate! Where's the rush? Let's see it if ends before 2017.This is fine looking paper. Too bad I can't bid. ::) Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: klaaas on December 10, 2016, 08:59:15 AM Sorry Liad.Services, Still tempted and not made up my mind yet. We will see...
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: igigme77 on December 10, 2016, 09:10:19 AM These are so cool. Watching.
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: chronicsky on December 10, 2016, 09:55:19 AM #302 - 0.08
#303 - 0.08 #304 - 0.08 #305 - 0.08 #306 - 0.08 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: wheelz1200 on December 10, 2016, 01:24:57 PM #300 - .12btc - wheelz1200
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 10, 2016, 01:28:12 PM WINNING BIDS and BIDDERS So Far
#300 - 0.12 - wheelz1200 #302 - 0.08 - chronicsky #303 - 0.08 - chronicsky #304 - 0.08 - chronicsky #305 - 0.08 - chronicsky #306 - 0.08 - chronicsky #307 - 0.09 - ezminer #308 - 0.08 - Rmcdermott927 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: greenplastic on December 10, 2016, 03:12:51 PM #302 - 0.09 greenplastic
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 10, 2016, 04:38:45 PM #303 - 0.09
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 11, 2016, 02:52:11 PM #303 - 0.09 Less the 2 hours for this Auction Raffle remaining.....unless there is another bid Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Rmcdermott927 on December 11, 2016, 04:48:01 PM #303 - 0.09 Less the 2 hours for this Auction Raffle remaining.....unless there is another bid Does this mean it's finally over? Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 11, 2016, 04:48:13 PM 24 hour rule expired.... This auction is over.......
Please pay the address in the OP including shipping..... PM your shipping info Post you TX here......once everyone has payed A block will be chosen for the Free note Raffle ..... Rmcdermott.., yes the auction is over.... No ...it is not over yet Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: greenplastic on December 11, 2016, 04:56:09 PM #302 Paid: Thank you BG4!
https://blockchain.info/tx/9b9a34c618775993a5bffa0c9947ee767feff53cc61d54d688699f89116f7a78 Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFEL] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 11, 2016, 05:00:30 PM AUCTION COMPLETE WINNING BIDS and BIDDERS #300 - 0.12 - wheelz1200 #302 - 0.09 - greenplastic #303 - 0.09 - bithalo #304 - 0.08 - chronicsky #305 - 0.08 - chronicsky #306 - 0.08 - chronicsky #307 - 0.09 - ezminer #308 - 0.08 - Rmcdermott927 PLEASE add the shipping for you country of delivery USA/Worldwide [EDIT] ADDITION TO RAFFLE RULES... all notes will be Payed for before Raffle will begin Raffle winner will be contacted for refund address and the winning raffle note bid will be refunded Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: chronicsky on December 11, 2016, 05:30:48 PM https://blockchain.info/tx/ea34f442f6169650d988dd214fa85d83706f56c38bdd9a515afd8896a698c28c
https://blockchain.info/tx/2b3eaca337ec20658b028b51959ec1967c8c9f0cce7b2c51d1f07bc2b8303a63 Thanks :D so which note # is on raffle? EDIT : nevermind , just read OP :) Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: Rmcdermott927 on December 11, 2016, 06:18:03 PM Paid:
https://blockchain.info/tx/3643d1183e127178bdc178b6f9aea94cb2bf890656cdf3a5aa5ead6505e4f46c Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 12, 2016, 04:45:03 AM Paid .09 + .02 now
Tx 69263e8c2a60524265a9d8cddf05ce38a0079f4df71a6a288b5f006aa4f1342b Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 12, 2016, 10:23:47 AM Everyone is payed up.......
Time to spin the big wheel to see who wins the free Satoshi Santa note Block 443150 will determine the winner.... Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: wheelz1200 on December 12, 2016, 06:24:10 PM Everyone is payed up....... Time to spin the big wheel to see who wins the free Satoshi Santa note Block 443150 will determine the winner.... Merry christmas to me ;D Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: chronicsky on December 12, 2016, 07:39:27 PM Everyone is payed up....... Time to spin the big wheel to see who wins the free Satoshi Santa note Block 443150 will determine the winner.... Merry christmas to me ;D Congrats man! @BG4 , sending you address so you can get it out for me aSAP :D Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: BG4 on December 12, 2016, 07:51:12 PM Last digit of the Hash was 8..... Congratulations to note winner #300.. wheelz1200
Title: Re: [AUCTION/RAFFLE] - Limited Edition "SATOSHI SANTA " PaperSafe Notes... Post by: bithalo on December 12, 2016, 09:24:04 PM Last digit of the Hash was 8..... Congratulations to note winner #300.. wheelz1200 Congrats wheelz...and you got the lowest number too. |