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Title: Are you people insane ?
Post by: jorov on April 10, 2013, 06:26:48 PM
Why are you selling like hell!

This is not Bitcoin economy melting down !

You allowed MT. Gox to screw us again ?

What happened ?


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: luffy on April 10, 2013, 06:42:09 PM
you sell in order to buy later cheaper BTC, if you are lucky!
this is the game :)
in BITSTAMP it was 78$ earlier!!!!!


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Twerka on April 10, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
you sell in order to buy later cheaper BTC, if you are lucky!
this is the game :)
in BITSTAMP it was 78$ earlier!!!!!

That is wrong, people should use the coin to buy thing, not to give them for nothing to a guy who came here with a lot of money. Even banks can print money to buy us the bitcoin, and then what? They have all the bitcoins and the money and we are again with nothing.

Don't know if people is easy to fool, or the greed make them not to think.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: jorov on April 10, 2013, 06:55:17 PM
it is the greed ... i think ...


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: glendall on April 10, 2013, 07:03:19 PM
Currency speculators have been known to be harmful to currency markets :)

Not that I have anything morally against them...fair enough for them... but in the bigger picture another big exchange is desperately needed. If there were 2 x mtgox things would be in much better shape.

Any predictions for tomorrow? I'd say back around $220?


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: alexeft on April 10, 2013, 07:05:34 PM
The way the price is jumping around, I wouldn't be surprised even at 300$.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: 0x11 on April 10, 2013, 07:58:23 PM
Why are you selling like hell!

This is not Bitcoin economy melting down !

You allowed MT. Gox to screw us again ?

What happened ?


What happened?  Obviously, a lot of people have doubled their balance in April and sticked to this proposal:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169651.msg1772621#msg1772621

Quote

Strategy for April:

1. BUY
2. Wait for the price to double.
3. Sell 60 % so yo're a bit ahead.
4. Withdraw fiat and coins. Spend fiat, hold coins !


Now we have a great chance that Bitcoin price becomes more stable, which has more valuable for community and the whole ecosystem.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: smracer on April 10, 2013, 08:08:39 PM
Stop panic selling you fucking muppets.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: FenixRD on April 10, 2013, 08:24:27 PM
you sell in order to buy later cheaper BTC, if you are lucky!
this is the game :)
in BITSTAMP it was 78$ earlier!!!!!

That is wrong, people should use the coin to buy thing, not to give them for nothing to a guy who came here with a lot of money. Even banks can print money to buy us the bitcoin, and then what? They have all the bitcoins and the money and we are again with nothing.

Don't know if people is easy to fool, or the greed make them not to think.

It is both. People are easily fooled, and greed makes them even more irrational. I wouldn't worry, Twerka... even if you bought at $250, unless you need access to that as fiat in the next couple days, you'll be fine. Bitcoin cannot be relied on as a quick-access high-yield savings account, which many are treating it as. As Gavin and everyone sane has always said, it is a massive experiment, and never invest anything you cannot afford to lose.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: shkiser on April 10, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
This is a fucking mess. Weak minded fools are creating their own destiny. If you're doing business on mt gox please withdrawal your coins and take them to a different exchange! Very obvious gox is scheming now.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: DrG on April 10, 2013, 08:27:50 PM
Stop panic selling you fucking muppets.

Exactly.  If you thought BTC to be a good investment at 200 or 250 why would you sell it all of a sudden - the fundamentals haven't changed.

Unless you were planning on selling it at 275, well in which case ha-ha.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: nebulus on April 10, 2013, 08:30:33 PM
Here we go making them headlines again!


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Akka on April 10, 2013, 08:35:24 PM
you sell in order to buy later cheaper BTC, if you are lucky!
this is the game :)
in BITSTAMP it was 78$ earlier!!!!!

That is wrong, people should use the coin to buy thing, not to give them for nothing to a guy who came here with a lot of money. Even banks can print money to buy us the bitcoin, and then what? They have all the bitcoins and the money and we are again with nothing.

Don't know if people is easy to fool, or the greed make them not to think.

This, but get rich quick people don't get it.

What you just saw/still seeing is nothing but a wealth transfer from weak Hands to professional speculators.

Guess the new wealthy elite is going to be just the old guys again.

I know why I'm staying out of this. (The Speculating, not Bitcoin)


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: superdork on April 10, 2013, 08:47:27 PM
I would imagine the people who get hurt on this are the idiots who tried to jump on the bandwagon.

Bitcoin peeps should be smart enough to

A) realize the bitcoin will rebound, which is is doing, like crazy right now
B) not panic sell  (let the traders who just got here take the beating)
C) Don't leave your coins in a market with a market price sell order and no stop order





Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: jorov on April 10, 2013, 09:01:30 PM
So ...
A friend of mine found the answer to what happened today:

Some fellow (or fellows) transferred about 14 000 coins and sold them today.


What I think:

People with different accounts with common agenda - destabilize Bitcoin market.

They were buying a lot gradually and finally dumped all in a few hours.

No normal investor does such thing. If you are such big player you should do it smart and get twice more in a few days.

Hope this is understood.

Such attacks will continue until we hit at least $100 B value.

We also need more exchanges.
In every country (with local market specific fast funding options)!


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: JordanL on April 10, 2013, 09:05:42 PM
As long as you don't sell, how is it screwing you? Buy more. 


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 10, 2013, 09:13:13 PM
I would imagine the people who get hurt on this are the idiots who tried to jump on the bandwagon.

Bitcoin peeps should be smart enough to

A) realize the bitcoin will rebound, which is is doing, like crazy right now
B) not panic sell  (let the traders who just got here take the beating)
C) Don't leave your coins in a market with a market price sell order and no stop order





It will rebound for sure. Strong buy.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: alexh on April 10, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
Sell more guys...! :D:D


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: nobbynobbynoob on April 10, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
As long as you don't sell, how is it screwing you? Buy more. 

+1

It really is this simple. One simply does not sell bitcoin [for fiat], except maybe in some kind of emergency where one absolutely cannot get the fiat from someplace else.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Qoheleth on April 10, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
What you just saw/still seeing is nothing but a wealth transfer from weak Hands to professional speculators.

Guess the new wealthy elite is going to be just the old guys again.
Really?

Because I made nearly two grand on the past day and a half of fluctuations, and it's not because I'm some cigar-smoking carpetbagger. In every bitcoin exchange of which I'm aware, there's no $10,000 minimum balances, no $7-per-trade fees, no whole-share granularity. Small guys have all the same tools as big guys.

If you want to fight turbulence, do it by trading against the wind. Sell a little when the price goes up. Buy a little when the price goes down. Anyone can do that, and by doing it they'll help stabilize the price and make money at the same time.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Ploo on April 10, 2013, 09:30:31 PM
Picking up free coins in these movements is incredibly greedy but ultimately it's a good thing for bitcoin. It moves coins from speculators attracted by incredible gains with no regard for what bitcoin is all about to players that are in it for the long haul. It's just a shame some have to lose money in the process.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: PrymeTyme on April 10, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
Why are you selling like hell!

This is not Bitcoin economy melting down !

You allowed MT. Gox to screw us again ?

What happened ?


u  should not be worried about sellers ! .. its the bulls who are in charge ! .. everyone who stands his ground will buy the shit out of such a sell off !

dont be afraid of the bears .. cause if ya afraid of bears u are a scared bull .. wich is much  worse  ;)


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Herodes on April 10, 2013, 09:36:23 PM
The way the price is jumping around, I wouldn't be surprised even at 300$.

http://www.chuckstraub.com/images/kangaroo.gif


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: jorov on April 11, 2013, 07:08:40 AM
I know fluctuations are normal.

Selling at 40 min lag is not normal though ...

I tried to BUY at 100 EUR and when my order had to be executed price was back to 130.

Some people placed MARKET orders!!! They lost a lot of $/B.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: ruski on April 11, 2013, 07:11:12 AM
And here we go with the "stop selling, it'll be okay IF YOU JUST STOP SELLING!" begging...

I feel like I've travelled back in time to mid-2011 and I'm reading all the same posts again.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: HappyBitCoinUser on April 11, 2013, 07:19:58 AM
LOL at MARKET orders. Esp during time of lag, omg lol hahah.

The smart thing to do is stop selling, but I want people to sell so I can buy it up cheap!

Thank you everyone who did a panic sell, you made me rich!


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: XXthetimeisnowXX on April 11, 2013, 07:26:45 AM
you sell in order to buy later cheaper BTC, if you are lucky!
this is the game :)
in BITSTAMP it was 78$ earlier!!!!!

I know!!! i couldn't believe it it was actually lower i asks going for low 60 for 20+ coins!!! pissed cuz i sold a few at 170 to help build the wall at 140 and i could have had some dumb ass sell me his coin for 60. son of a bitty! you take ten coins and you sell at 170 buy at 70 goes back to 170 you just made a thousand bucks. damn that 2020 hindsight.


Title: Re: Are you people insane ?
Post by: Akka on April 11, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
What you just saw/still seeing is nothing but a wealth transfer from weak Hands to professional speculators.

Guess the new wealthy elite is going to be just the old guys again.
Really?

Because I made nearly two grand on the past day and a half of fluctuations, and it's not because I'm some cigar-smoking carpetbagger. In every bitcoin exchange of which I'm aware, there's no $10,000 minimum balances, no $7-per-trade fees, no whole-share granularity. Small guys have all the same tools as big guys.

If you want to fight turbulence, do it by trading against the wind. Sell a little when the price goes up. Buy a little when the price goes down. Anyone can do that, and by doing it they'll help stabilize the price and make money at the same time.

While I agree with you point that everyone can participate and that's a good thing, I can't belive you with you trading against the wind post.

If you had run this strategy all the way up from 12$ coins you would have took a massive loss (in coins).