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" involvement in the following actions:
1) Purchasing DDoS services.
2) Selling Botnet services.
3) Selling counterfeit goods.
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From what I recall, wasn't Lauda paid 1 BTC from the bitfinex hacker dude?

They were donated 1BTC by someone who claimed to be the bitfinex hacker, the same person who then did the huge giveaway on the forum. What does this have to do with anything?

He was paid for staying quiet from the bitfinex hacker? Any links to that?

http://pastebin.com/fjL6VnLD
https://zerobin.net/?39b2a85a2d5d02e9#WCbZMnhqDOyQx5AQHQMOEB/I+W0NPnrexLx1g/aMOqo=


https://i.imgur.com/IkFBe54.png

Who gives a shit what other people do? The fact that you're blackmailing makes you criminally involved as well. No one cares what the funds are used for later. If you kill someone not for personal gain but because he's a serial killer, you still killed someone. No offence but mind your own business

I can confirm that Lauda and other trusted members did an investigation regarding Zeroxal.
Zeroxal was not able or willing to explain double evasion of forum ban, advertising of counterfeit goods, selling botnet/cloud mining packages.
I can also confirm, that Lauda told me about the extortion and that it was only in purpose of gaining furthor evidence.

I hereby state as well, the above is all true, as I have seen both the pgp and the evidence. Thank you.

I hereby confirm the same.

Thanks

Even if this kind of extortion was done and sanctioned by law enforcement the evidence of payment would mean nothing and those doing the extortion would be guilty of extortion. Also any other evidence collected by these agents would probably be inadmissible.

Just because you are doing an investigation does not allow you to extort a suspected criminal. Telling others about an extortion attempt in advance doesn't remove criminal liability, it only potentially adds a potential conspiracy charge.

They were given 1 btc by tradefortress, a very well known scammer. There was no publicity stated reason for the payment and it was claimed to be a gift.

Only if they gained the evidence through the extortion attempt (if it's not sanctioned). Evidence gained through 'regular' investigation wouldn't be voided. In the case of Zeroxal it's safe to say that there is plenty of evidence......

Doesn't change the fact that there are people on here with positive trust doing worse than "renting a botnet".

As for Lauda, if she had no problem taking 1 btc from a well known scammer then why does she have a problem with getting funds from Zeroxal that aren't "clean"? Pretty retarded opinion if you ask me.

In the DPR court case, the government very specifically did not use any evidence or information gathered by the field office that the corrupt agents were working out of. The corrupt agents, among other things extorted DPR.

The OP may be guilty of some crimes, I have not looked into this. However this does not excuse the extortion attempt by Lauda.

If an extortion attempt was sanctioned by a federal law enforcement agency then there is a decent chance that someone would be getting impeached, either the director of said agency or worse. I doubt there are any sanctioned extortion attempts by law enforcement.

I hereby confirm the same.

the extortion email was a ruse to gain information from Zerox - Lauda is as legit as they come....

we have chat logs and a PGP agreement to back this up

Why don't you post the PGP agreement?

Zeroxal might have used botnet services or be avoiding paying tax, if you think that is the case then you should have reported it to the Austrian* police with any accompanying evidence. That way, a person who is in the correct position of legal authority could have run a sting operation which was signed off by a judge. Amateurs trying to run extortion schemes would likely just become an accomplice to the original crime, regardless of your intentions. Trying to act too clever can be your undoing.

its a few posts above..

He scammed People - you know that...

The only problem with this kind of action, is that it is suppose to be private, however, due to the fact that it did not stay private, extortion is extortion, even if the cause is Good.

It's the same reason why government, whenever they ask someone to do the dirty jobs, will always make sure they will not get involved if the act came out.

I have respect with Lauda and it will remain that way even if he's done something legally wrong, for me, what matters is youre doing something that is morally right.

Are you referring to this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17570759#msg17570759)?

Whether evidence becomes inadmissible it depends on which country you are talking about. In this case the relevant country seems to be Austria. I am not sure whether many people know how Austrian laws work. Just because something is true in US law it does not mean that law is relevant anywhere else.

I am pretty sure in my country no evidence ever becomes inadmissible. Everything goes. Execpt if there were laws broken when collecting the evidence there could be some repercussions to the one breaking the law but whatever information is out there, it does not disappear like in US law it does.

However that being said I do not understand at all the extortion plan. There is very huge downside for both person doing this one but also for the whole community as well and very little upside.

There are many people who do not understand at all how bitcointalk seems to allow all kinds of nefarious stuff going on on their forums and now we can reasonably think it is because people in authority positions in bitcointalk are running an extortion ring and getting their cut from the stuff that goes on in here.

Also I don't understand the timestamping of the message. I seems like just smoke and mirrors. Timestamping it like that does not prove that the encryption was not done on some later hour like the only sensible thing you might want to prove in this kind of instance would be. And even that would fall far short from proving that the extortion ring did not really mean to pocket the money by keeping everything out from public.

Only some kind of irreversibly forced publishing of agreements provably written before the extortion would prove that the ring did not really plan to keep everything secret and pocket the money and have the coming clean only as plan B.

They accuse me of using botnet services, hacking bitfinex / Mt gox, running a ponzi, tells me that my withdrawal from btcc.com is from a ponzi address, laundering funds, running a cloud mining - all without solid evidence. I am a member hackforums, which I use as marketplace. I have stated interes with a short post - mainly to shoot up my post count, but never purchased anything.
I have the right to retain privacy with my wealth, and tried to explain every question asked while avoiding giving too much information of how much money I own, useless action as they just go on accusing me of something else. Jumping from hacker to a ponzi operator. Telling me that a withdrawal from btcc.com is from a ponzi address, while refusing to ask Bobby Lee(CEO of BTCC) to confirm and verify that withdrawal. This is a ridiculous witch hunt.
They have some sort of evidence, and I am not afraid of them reporting it. Believe me or not I have done nothing criminal. Once again to all of those investigating people: report what you got to the police, don't chase after with a blackmail, I don't have time to waste with you.

Extortion in any country is a crime and even if the person gets any witness by threatening/extortion, it's null and void and cannot be used as PROOF. Even if it's done for a good purpose, it doesn't matter. If one is legal officer it, the person too can fall into trouble but may not be punished while an ordinary person can be definitely charged for the same.

Doxing also was stopped on BCT and definitely extortion is not allowed.

Oh you're the dude who ran the cloud mining thing a while back right? Now I remember lol

ot: who gives a single fuck what he does, it's none of your business. If he is indeed guilty, the cops will get him (hope not :-) ) but for now, mind your own fucking business

I did not run any cloud mining.

You talked about it or something, all I remember is the username Zeroxak and a cloud mining thing on Hackforums which got closed, can't exactly remember.

I did not run any of the cloud mining, I was just buying for the people from a guy on hackforums. His name is lottomax and has disappeared a long time ago.

According to Lauda

Whatever a person does outside of the forum shouldn't be judged for the same behavior in bitcointalk.
Apply same for Zeroxal.Whatever the do outside of this forum shouldn't be a problem here.

Everyone agreed for the same logic when Yahoo was accused of supporting a ban evader and same scammer outside of [Suspicious link removed] same logic applied to yahoo's case.

Extortion is an extortion,no one gives a fuck what it is for.You cannot rape a kid and back yourself up by saying I was experimenting how a pedophile feels like.

Throw Lauda OUt of the DT/Staff position.

Other mods,are you fuckers stupid enough to not notice how he is controlling anyone who speaks a word against them with his force and powers using DT members.

THIS FORUM IS FUCKKIN DEAD FOR ME ,FUCKING PEOPLE LIKE LAUDA ARE CONTRLOLING IT,

BLAZED YOU MOTHERFUCKER.

provoke to elicit. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934.new#new

I scammed people? What people? Give a list.
Once again. Don't throw shit around here, feel free to report everything to the police.

The law that you are talking about does not apply to me nor Tman, it also greatly varies depending on where you are located:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/2/section/17/enacted/en/html

Participating in HYIP, especially when you knew it was a botnet (which is illegal by itself) makes you also guilty: https://oag.ca.gov/consumers/general/pyramid_schemes
I believe that a similar law is in place in the EU considering their stance has been shifting towards stronger regulations and sanctions in this area.

Xerox - you broke EU trade laws as well - Selling counterfeit goods is illegal...

Once again, I did not sell any.

That's your excuse? Seriously? Oh geez. RIP bitcointalk.

And why exactly are half of the people here avoiding the extortion attempt and just accuse OP back? It's as if you guys think the extortion attempt will be justified if zeroxal is proven guilty.

the extortion was a ruse for information... please read all before you quote with more alts Zerox.

Haha, accusing me of having another alt again. It's so funny how your accusation process works.

It is. Still an. Extortion.
It doesn't matter if you made a plan for the "ruse" beforehand. It doesn't make you right.
I don't get what kind of "information" is a successful extortion attempt anyway.

So what if I'm alt of Zerox? But I'm not, try again next time.

Check EU law before you talk here - I am in the EU - zerox is in the EU - Trump doesn't rule the world as yet... we have citations to back everything up.

Oh? News flash: this is bitcointalk. Extortion, no matter where you live, is still a big enough reason for you to be considered not trusted by the community.

another child on the ignore list - no more message replies - but please read relevant laws before you make brash comments you are uninformed about.

I think it'll be better for you to ignore me because I don't care about EU laws. I care about bitcointalk which is going to shit as time goes on.

I'd like to suggest to everyone here, please refrain from giving your opinions as if they are facts, if you are no expert of international laws, if you are not a lawyer then just stop acting like one.

EU laws are easily checked online and differ greatly than those in the States. As I am based in the EU and Zerox is in the EU - that is all that matters here. Lauda was involved only to assist an investigation.

I am also in EU.

EU law does not exist. Every country has its own laws and they differ tremendously within EU. You need to specify which country laws you think are applicable.

However that being said nobody is going to any court about any of these issues. So even if there would be some law of some country it would be pretty irrelevant especially some details of it.


What matters is moral code and that has some relevance to general worldwide consensus about laws or how they are interpreted by laypeople. Some lawyers opinion does not matter at all how laypeople in bitcointalk define their moral code. This is quite generally accepted.

Most of the stuff that people accuse Zerox of doing seem pretty small stuff. I glanced over the accusations and it seemed like somebody wanted to hide the lack of anything explosive by making the list long with petty stuff.

The extortion attempt was by far the biggest issue in here and it is significant exactly because that stuff is new. Do we want to add another thing to long list of shady stuff that are considered acceptable by bitcointalk general moral code?

Extortion is extortion whether you want money or information or a pink pony or whatever else to yourself. And in this case it was traditional extortion in exchange for money with undeniable written proof for it in the messages sent to Zerox. I do not know any other crimes that can be explained away by writing some note to yourself that you keep hidden in your drawer. How the perp interacts with the victim and what happens in that interaction is what matters in criminal cases and what defines what kind of a crime it is. Zerox was being extorted and blackmailed and so what happened was an extortion and blackmailing.

Tman threatened me to call my mother to tell her about the "crimes" I have done, some seconds later: Ding ding, TMAN called my mother. Nice try man, my mom doesn't get into this whole shit.
Threatening with calling a family member? Hmmm. Any thoughts on the legal aspects on that?

we just needed confirmation of the contact number for the police file - we now have it...

Calling someone's mother (who had nothing to do with anything) shouldn't be accepted, that's just disgusting. TMAN you seriously need to reconsider what you're doing because half the shit your claiming is nothing or inaccurate

Yeah, blackmailing and threatening for a good cause right?

read the PGP scammer - Tax evasion from slack logs is added the list..

Financial crimes
Customs
Tax office...

the hole is getting deeper.

I don't care about my apparent "crimes". Your hole is deeper with blackmailing and threatening.