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Additional Notes:  Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. :-\

It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. :-\

Looks like they all agreed to sort the issue privately between themselves, since all the threads were locked and edited with 'TBC'. Zeroxal is still active on the forum and he could unlock his own accusation thread if he wished to, so I don't see why would you create this one.

I haven't gone to deep in the details, but am of opinion that the intentions were good and genuine,

Has Lauda stated what he would actually do with the money if Zeroxal decided to pay?

Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)

I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".

The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed

I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.

minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy

however he was claiming to be well aware (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-2817.0-2817.2) of the status of the extortion payment

and he did oblige (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-5731.74-5731.192) (archive of his entire post (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-3749.144-3749.355)) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating"

immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.

minifrig seems to just follow the heard.

Trying to hide drama doubles it.. put it on the table do what ya gotta do and move on.

People who have nothing to hide do not delete topics :D

I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.

As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

giving me negative trust QS - after the above is pretty low.. Just because I had you on ignore for your incessant ramblings and ignoring the facts presented.. can I ask were you bullied at school or something?

why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol

Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

proof above - if lauda was extorting for money then where is the payment address?

yes - take down scammers - people like you QS.... proven scammers. all I have ever done is traded fairly.

17.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person who, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, makes any unwarranted demand with menaces.

(2) For the purposes of this section—

(a) a demand with menaces shall be unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief—

(i) that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand, and

(ii) that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand;

(b) the nature of the act or omission demanded shall be immaterial and it shall also be immaterial whether or not the menaces relate to action to be taken by the person making the demand.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

(a) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both,

(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years or to both.

read that - if you can understand it - the ruse we pulled was to gain information... that is legal where I come from... you just enjoy taking personal vendettas to far.

there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

give some cut or will report you is intel gathering in your book?

its legal in the EU - read before you comment further please - unless you are another QS alt just trying to add to the pool of sig campaign funds here??

Killyou - read his trust ratings.

I have, and I don't understand where he as actually scammed anyone, because he didn't. All he did was call out dooglus for saying he should kill himself, so dooglus left him negative trust, vod left him negative trust 3 times because of his self-escrowing, QS posted his allegled dox, and one because QS gave him negative trust. Lauda saying that QS is blackmailing I dont see it from the reference link quotted. So it seems to me most of the red trust on QS doesnt need to be there besides all of the ones about the self escrowing, but he didnt steal anything in those and he could have

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181163.0


FYI- QS... is this evidence enough of illegal behavior - does this justify an investigation? I thought the whole point of a community was to look after our members.

According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.

Well, it looks pretty clear cut and dry you posted a thread asking a question that is obviously illegal and now you are trying to backpedal?


But I was under the impression that you did not have to pay taxes on bitcoins until you sold them, because as a buyer of bitcoins it is the sellers responsible to pay the taxes on the gains if any?

According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.

The account of Lauda might have been sold recently

It's interesting he hasn't said a word about this or coming down from staff member.

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

Please stay on topic.

The account of Lauda might have been sold recently

I strongly disagree. Extortion is evil[1][2] and should be punished.
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[2] QS also send me a well constructed argument as to why no information gained this way can be reliable. Maybe they are willing to repost this here for everyone to read.

>Basics of extortion -
>In order to attempt to extort a victim, a criminal will need to at least claim
>to have information that the victim will not want to be released, (or  could
>threaten to do an act [that is usually illegal] that the victim does not want
>the criminal to do). The extortionist does not need to actually possess such
>information (or have the ability to do the threatened act).

>The criminal can threaten to release information that ranges from something
>very vague, something very specific that is untrue that the victim does not
>want released, something very specific that is true that the victim does not
>want released, something specific (true or untrue) that the victim does not
>care if it gets released, among other things.

>Theoretical success of extortion attempts -
>I would speculate that an extortion attempt that threatens to expose criminal
>activity would be the most effective. The logic behind this theory is that
>exposing criminal activity would likely have a very broad ranging effect on a
>person’s life; for example, serious criminal charges would likely affect a
>person financially as they would need to pay to mount a defense (and/or
>attempt a plea bargain), and potentially pay fines/court costs, would affect
>a person’s future ability to earn money as they may both lose their job as a
>result of even a criminal charge, and a criminal conviction may affect their
>ability to get a new job, would affect their relationships with
>friends/family, as these people may not want to associate with someone with
>a criminal past, and could obviously affect the victims freedom as they
>might be at risk of jail time.

>If you compare this to something like an extortionist telling a victim’s wife
>that the victim is having an affair, or telling the victim’s boss that the
>victim is drinking on the job, the scope of the potential damage is much
>more limited.

>Making good on an extortion threat -
>A criminal might threaten to release some information if some amount of money
>is not paid. Neither the information to be released nor the amount of money
>needs to be specific when making the extortion threat. The criminal may or
>may not communicate a specific deadline. If the victim has not paid a
>satisfactory extortion payment by the (stated or unstated) deadline, then
>the criminal may release the information they have on the victim, however
>if the criminal does this then the victim no longer has any incentive to pay.
>A criminal may get around this problem by releasing only a portion of the
>victim’s information. The classic example of this in pop culture is a
>criminal threatening to kill the victim’s wife if he does not disclose the
>location of the ‘treasure’ and when the victim does not initially give up
>this information, the criminal will seriously hurt (but not kill) the
>victim’s wife in order to give the victim additional time to change his mind.

>Paying an extortion payment -
>The fact that someone makes an extortion payment does not necessarily mean
>that the information claimed to be in possession of by the criminal is true.
>I had posted a couple of reasons why a victim may pay an extortion payment
>when untrue information is being threatened to be released. Another reason
>why someone may pay an extortion payment is that they are on parole, and a
>person’s parole office receiving a report of criminal activity by the victim
>may result in the victim going back to jail while this claim can be
>investigated. As a result of this,
...
>I would not consider the fact that
>someone paid an extortion payment an admission that the information used
>to extort the victim is true.


>Using extortion as an investigative tool -
>As discussed above, evidence of an extortion payment is not evidence of
>guilt. Furthermore, someone that an investigator believes is guilty, but
>needs the (invalid) evidence of a suspect making an extortion payment is
>still very innocent by any reasonable measure - this is not a situation
>where evidence of guilt has not yet been presented to a court (otherwise
>this evidence would not be necessary), this is a situation where the
>investigator is not in possession of conclusive evidence of guilt - as a
>result of this, if an investigator were to use extortion as an
>investigative tool, they would be potentially extorting an innocent person,
>which will violate the suspect’s due process rights. In conclusion, using
>extortion as an investigative tool will potentially yield flimsy evidence at
>best, and will potentially harm an innocent victim, while violating the
>victim’s due process rights along the way.

>Making a sworn encrypted statement confirming proceeds of extortion will
>not profit self -
>As discussed above, I believe threatening to release information about a
>person’s criminal activity is the most likely to result in an extortion
>payment being paid, and as a result of this, I would speculate that
>extortion threatening to expose criminal behavior is the most common form
>of extortion. If any random citizen could make a sworn statement that the
>proceeds of an extortion attempt would not result in a profit for the
>extortionist, then this would be a loophole in the law. Notaries do not
>retain copies of documents they notarize and almost always will not even
>look at the document they are notarizing beyond the fact that the person
>signing is in fact the person they are saying signed the document. A
>criminal make this sworn statement, attempt to extort several people who
>they think might be a criminal, then use that statement as a “get out of
>jail free card” when one of the extortionist’s victims go to the police.
>There is no mechanism in place to enforce this sworn statement, nor is there
>a mechanism in place to prevent the criminal from destroying the document
>containing the sworn statement if the extortion is successful (and at which
>point the victim is unlikely to complaint to the police). Additionally,
>there is no way for anyone to decrypt the encrypted message, so there would
>never be anyone looking for proof that the extortionist did not profit from
>the extortion attempt if it was successful. In conclusion, I see this kind
>of statement to be little more than something that the extortionist plans
>on using to protect themselves in the event that the extortion attempt is
>unsuccessful.

>Lauda’s self admission of trolling those that are vulnerable -
>There are chat logs
>(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg16071901#msg16071901)
>that capture Lauda bragging about trolling those that he feels are vulnerable.
>Someone engaged in criminal activity that is “hidden” would likely be
>vulnerable by Lauda’s definition, and attempting to extort someone would
>fit this MO.

>What I think happened -
>I think that Lauda, et al., were speaking to zeroaxl on slack, telling him
>that they had evidence of criminal activity (zeroaxl told me that they
>claimed they had evidence that he hacked bitfinex, MtGox, ran ponzis, ran
>botnet(s), among other things). At one point in the conversation, zeroaxl is
>asked to admit to his criminal activity, which he declines to do, and Lauda,
>et al., reiterate the information they have against him, and tell him they
>are considering to contact the police about his criminal behavior. Lauda
>then sends zeroaxl an encrypted message asking for a “cut” of the proceeds
>of zeroaxl’s criminal proceeds. Lauda, et al., inform zeroaxl via slack of
>the potential consequences of his activity that include being unable to
>trade on bitcointalk and HackForums. minifrig (this is intentionally not
>Lauda) first opens a thread claiming that zeroaxl is evading a ban, and
>should get banned - this is used to install fear that zeroaxl will not be
>able to continue to trade on bitcointalk. zeroaxl reads Lauda’s message and
>opens a scam accusation against Lauda, but not before TMAN starts writing a
>new scam accusation against zeroaxl. TMAN finishes writing the scam
>accusation against zeroxal, and creates the thread not knowing about the
>scam accusation against Lauda. TMAN makes additional posts claiming to have
>zeroxal’s dox, and claiming to have even more damaging information than
>mentioned in Lauda’s original message - this is to install additional fear
>about the potential consequences of the police being contacted. (note that
>TMAN explicately did not release zeroaxl’s dox, preventing anyone else from
>potentially contacting the police about this “criminal activity”). An
>unknown party opens a negative thread about zeroaxl on hackforums (zeroaxl
>claimed that a thread was opened about him in HF but that he had a good
>enough reputation there for that not to matter). Lauda, minifrig and TMAN
>(probably among others) were conspiring to try to get zeroaxl to pay an
>extortion payment. 

>I believe that the fact that TMAN made a thread summarizing evidence against
>zeroaxl and made many posts claiming to have his dox at around the same time
>lauda made the extortion demand is sufficiently clear evidence that TMAN was
>conspiring with Lauda to attempt to extort zeroaxl. This is further supported
>by the fact that all three threads were edited to a blank OP, and locked at
>almost the same time, and that all three threads were moved to archival (and
>well out of sight) at almost the exact same time. The timing of minfrig’s
>thread also makes it appear that he was part of the conspiracy, although
>the lack of claiming to have explicit negative information about zeroaxl
>weakens this link.

>I acknowledge that the link for TMAN and minfrig is not rock solid, however
>it is very unusual for someone who has not actively scammed someone, and who
>has not recently made a mistake in exposing himself in some way to have
>multiple threads (plus an extortion attempt) made about him in the span of a
>few hours. The only times that I have seen multiple threads being opened at
>the same time in that short of a timespan is when someone has very recently
>scammed multiple people or when someone has given out many inaccurate
>negative trust ratings - at least thinking back to the last 18 months or so.

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Regarding minifrij's involvement:
Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17604583#msg17604583) minifrij confirms that he did as he was asked (in reference to deleting his first thread). Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17598908#msg17598908) minifrij says that he was aware of the evidence that was used as part of the extortion. It doesn’t look like he admitted to knowing about the extortion at the time he made the first thread, but I get the impression that he did (to give him the benefit of the doubt, we can say that he did not). According to this (https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=138940) minifrij has not created any threads reporting someone to be evading a ban in the past.

To summarize the above:
-The first time minifrij ever opened a thread about someone evading a ban was to report zeroaxl evading a ban
-Lauda/TMAN/others attempted to extort zeroaxl
-Both zeroaxl and TMAN open threads accusing each other of scamming
-zeroaxl asks that all threads be taken down so that he can “negotiate” with Lauda/TMAN
-minifrij removes his thread
-minifrij reopens his thread

If some of the specifics of the facts are changed, but the principal remains the same, then it would read as follows:
-Corrupt FBI agent A asks citizen X for money, or else he will bring up bogus charges against citizen X’s daughter
-FBI agent A opens a grand jury investigation on citizen X’s daughter, starts to present bogus evidence against her and makes citizen X aware of this
-FBI agent B pulls over citizen X’s daughter for speeding, who also does not have a driver’s license on her
-FBI agents A and B are peers, and neither has any authority over the other
-FBI agent B does not normally pull people over for speeding
-citizen X, being aware of both the bogus grand jury investigation and the pending arrest of his daughter for driving without a license, asks FBI agent A to stop everything regarding his daughter so he can “negotiate”
-FBI agent B, at FBI agent A’s request, lets citizen X’s daughter go without a ticket
-two days later, FBI agent B arrests citizen X’s daughter for driving without a license when he originally pulled her over (she was not driving at the time of the arrest)
-What is FBI agent B’s involvement?

Lauda / LaudaM asked me for any information I might have concerning Zeroxal - S/he failed to mention they were then going to use that information in a "sting" to extort money from Zeroxal instead of taking action on Zeroxal's ban evasion via their alts josef2000 / josef.2000 who are banned. http://archive.is/0SxTB

While this is the case, it can be seen from my post history that I understand and (at least try to) enforce the forum rules and that I do not particularly like those that evade bans. It is more of a case that I didn't previously have the evidence for getting someone banned prior to someone else posting it.

This also doesn't properly depict the situation.

[...]
[2] - This would make more sense if it were 'FBI agent B has always been against those who speed, however has never seen a case himself prior to another officer handling it'.
[...]

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1763271.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762942.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762676.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759436.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1718579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1050321.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728278.0 * - girlbtc.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751687.0 * - was not supporting a ban
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728077.0;all * - girlbtc.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1741502.0 * - did not discuss the ban
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1745087.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1743391.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1729986.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728988.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1723803.0;all 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1722830.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1726362.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1706976.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1695319.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1685003.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1685033.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668304.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1692391.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1665898.0 * - girlbtc.com

^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum? You don't find it wrong to try to extort money from another user (may it be for a good intention or not)?


Even Shorena leaves a negative trust on Lauda's and TMAN's accounts as extortion is not some thing that should be ignored. It should atleast make the person feel that they have made a mistake/failed attempt of an extortion. Though I know their intention was not to actually extort money but still an attempt was made.

While I did not think you have been especially vocal about those who evade bans and break forum rules in the past, I was not sure of just how vocal you have been above those who were evading bans and breaking rules. So I decided to gather some statistics about the last ~3 months of your posting history.
...

With as many posts as you are making defending/supporting Lauda (20 in the last 3 months in Meta, 24 in Meta/Reputation), it is easy to understand why you were creating a thread that would have helped Lauda's extortion attempt.

-snip-

^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum?

I have a question here and anyone wanting to clarify this would be much appreciated. I have read this entire matter over and over before to take a clear stance. To my opinion, Lauda was and is someone with a good level of contribution to this forum, but it is my opinion.

There are a few questionable points, and there are some that are not (again IMO):
1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it?

It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail?

Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)

I know, though, there are some countries sting operations are not legal, not allowed. Reading from Wikipedia Sweden should be one of them.

The only exception a sting operation would become a crime is the case the "victim" would not have committed any crime without being solicited: I am not a drug dealer, but if you offer me 10M dollars I might become...

I am open to any discussion about this point, and I'm not trying to defend Lauda at any cost. Also: I'm putting all my efforts to ignore the fact that out of the latest ten threads open in the last week on this matter, ten were open by Qs (feel free to correct me if these stats are wrong). I'd just appreciate a transparent, fair and honest discussion over this point, without personal grunges.

Shorena is the one that apparently took a stance on this so, an answer from him would be an appreciated priority: "Part of a failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer."
What is exactly in your opinion a "failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer":
1.- An extortion
2.- An attempt to spot a possible scammer

I am confused by this rating because people like me rely on you DT members to ponder about our stance on many matters on this forum: if you think it was an extortion in the attempt to gather money from Zeroxal, please provide me evidence of this and I will change my rating on Lauda too. If it was an attempt to spot a possible scammer, why you consider that a neg rep worth?

1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it? It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail? Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)

Extortion definition: http://prntscr.com/e2599b

While I can appreciate the effort it must have taken to gather this information, I don't believe it best represents my opinions on either of those matters.

To begin, I would say that analyzing a 3 month period is a fairly small sample for someone who has been involved with issues regarding the forum from about September 2015. While I don't expect you to go that far back, it is something to keep in mind.

In addition, a few of the sections in the break down can be bundled together and perhaps be combined to create one section about general information regarding the rules of the forum. Things such as 'Rule Breakers', 'Clarification of rules' and 'Locking threads/deleting posts' could be put into this section.

Also, despite what I said, my post history shouldn't be made to make a definite conclusion on how involved I am with understanding and enforcing the rules. I expect that my report statistics, while not fantastic, can help back this up: "You have reported 463 posts with 97% accuracy"

Regarding my previous involvement with Ban Evasion, I do not understand how the amount of posts made in threads relating to bans give any sort of conclusive evidence. I believe my post on a thread by girlbtc gives an idea of my feelings towards ban evaders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728278.msg17296034#msg17296034), that they should 'follow the rules of (their) ban and stay away'. There is little for me to do once a report has been made other than to wait for a moderator/admin to take care of it; posting "yeah you should be banned" or some variant in every thread would be spamming.

If things such as this are being taken into account, then I don't believe you are the best person to be making the judgement as to whether or not I am involved. Considering your (very vocal) dislike for Lauda there is a clear conflict of interest between the two of us. I believe a statement made by a third party (such as the one by Shorena) would be best suited to give a conclusion on my involvement.

-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions.

Was Lauda fired or not ?

To me, it is obvious he was fired.

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More importantly is the shit i brought up.
Where is Lauda ? No comment here ? WTF ?

What was the extortion attempt details.
Was Lauda fired or not ?

By all means lets' loiter around casting judgment and re-interpreting the meaning of English words but can we get the damn story put on the table first so we know what we are even talking about ?

Those that know are coming here and reading this then deliberately staying tight lipped as a few of you rail on bickering about the definition of extortion etc.

What does VOD think ? Who gives a shit !

those guys some kind of gang which stay at dt and using this for blackmailing users and i think they are sharing profit from those blackmails till they got caught and they are backing each other after getting caught fucking shits

If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror...  ::)

Tha question thet keeps me tossin' an' turnin' at night is whetha' Quickseller's ambition is ta one day be on all 3 sides of an escrowed deal.  Stranga' thangs in life have happent. 

Imma incorrectly para-phrase mah recently diseased brotha Rodney King.  Cain't we all jist git along up in here?  Y'all is like a buncha kinna-gardners tryin' ta rip each otha's hair off.  Sommebody gon' lose an eyebrow if'n this keep up.

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Were these questions rhetorical, and/or have you managed to answer them yourself?

To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Blazed still has Lauda within his trust list, and this makes Blazed look like he thinks a self-admitted extortionist should be trusted by everyone. In my book, this means Blazed is not quite as trustworthy as he presents himself to be.

@shorena
That was highly evasive.

And what i said about VOD is bad and you played off like it was no big deal.

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The regular people i deal with do not need to be PM'd all the time.

Shorena i lost any respect i might have had for you.. it's gone.

VOD did what i said.. that is a fucking fact !

Yeah, same as many others Vod tends to ignore what someone with a negative rating says. I personally think its stupid to ignore a well constructed argument because of the person that made it, but I cant change that. Well, I can support the argument - as I do here - myself, but thats about it. A single DT rating means nothing, esp. not over time and with counter ratings.

Probably, yes. I dont like that I had to leave these ratings and I like even less than it seems Im the only one on DT who gives a fuck. This thread makes me feel 1000 years old and so tired of this forum.

I dont like that I had to leave these ratings and I like even less than it seems Im the only one on DT who gives a fuck. This thread makes me feel 1000 years old and so tired of this forum.

TBH, the results of this thread, and the reaction of many on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775044.0) thread make me believe that a major overhaul of either the trust system and/or who is in the DT network is in order.

It appears that anyone who questions someone in a certain group of people is called a scammer.

Somewhat unrelated, but it looks like Lauda might have been acting as an escrow in a situation in which a portion of money that the escrow was responsible for is not going to be returned.

bumping for visibility

Whatever medication you are on, you need to start taking it...

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

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You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around

Isn't this just a bump in disguise - indeed the second in the same 24 hour period? (http://archive.is/uh0Bd#selection-4179.0-4201.23)  This is just a retelling of your previous posts and "adds nothing to the discussion" which, like the two bumps in 24 hours is against BCT rules?

http://archive.is/UboFn#selection-4351.0-4401.146

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around

I just read this thread i found and yes , this is clearly extortion attempt   :-\  

Date Registered:   March 26, 2017, 04:12:52 PM

The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.

Whats the correct information then?

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around

It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png

I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly

I would find this very unlikely.

Each of their ethics, intelligence, and more are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.

That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.

This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.

#3 I left no rating to minifrij because the connection is not strong enough for it. The timing is odd and Im wary, but its not enough for a rating IMHO.

The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.

Minifrij how much did you get paid to keep your mouth shut?

I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I am very disappointed in those in the DT network for not looking the other way in an admitted extortion attempt. I am also especially disappointed in Blazed for keeping Lauda in his trust list.

This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.

Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

[ img]http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png[/img]

...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

My conscious is pretty clear, much clearer than you resorting to these childish games with alts. An unlimited amount of accounts won't help you.

There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it). :P

Lauda just left me a bad feedback , for the sole reason i expose my opinion .. what's wrong here ?this is the  way trust rating should be use on this board  ?

There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it). :P

My conscious is pretty clear,

The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions.

Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.

So, in the same circumstances, you would be comfortable doing the same thing again?

If you didn't do anything wrong and have a clear conscience then logistically you should have no problem doing it again, right? If you did nothing wrong then why not do it again?

Your logic is flawed; one can do something stupid, learn from ones mistakes and - with a clear conscience - try to never do it again. Or one can do something immoral, leading to a guilty conscience (in a healthy individual). One does not exclude the other but certainly also not imply each other...

Right, but that still makes the thing that you did wrong.

I did?!? What are you talking about??? What did I do...  ???

Corrected the wording of my post

No, they are most certainly not facts. Whilst I am not going to waste my time debunking the whole thread, especially not considering the time passed since the event, here's one example:
This is a blatant lie. If my memory serves me correctly, I had sent zero messages to Zeroxal prior to the 'string message' itself (at least not within that month; e.g. we had a trade a long time ago).

Just a small bump to keep this at the top

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/QtagX#selection-2397.0-2419.41


That definitely proves you're an alt of the alt known as quickseller bumping their thread no less.  Forget which alt you've logged in with eh?

Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/QtagX#selection-2397.0-2419.41


That definitely proves you're an alt of the alt known as quickseller bumping their thread no less.  Forget which alt you've logged in with eh?

A friendly bump to keep this near the top

The first "extortion attempt" didn't seem legitimate to me.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

I agree with the Staff removal and would be fine leaving a negative feedback if I had better evidence of actual extortion but I don't see it.

In fact it's safe to say they have alt accounts high up in the DT system

Don't forget Lauda was once a moderator in the Croatian section

It's only safe to say such if you have evidence to back it up.

They also moderated the Speculation section, which is why they were a Staff member. I don't understand what this has to do with anything however.

You want to play stupid?
Lauda is Croatian I am 90% sure on this, you do not get modded for a countries section if you're not fluent in that language (Or even show any interest to mod a section if you didn't speak that language, Lauda showed interest in the Croatian section, I wonder why), by the way they typed and worded things I can tell 100% they are totally fluent in writing and speaking Croatian

Why are you always defending Lauda? in all topics I see
Are you an alt?

Sorry for the severely delayed response.

It looks like you agreed that Lauda did in fact extort zeroaxl below, however I would point out that findlaw.com (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.html) describes extortion as "[...]gaining of [...]money[...] by [...] threat of [...] harm to reputation, or 4) unfavorable government action[...]" and also "[...]threat to expose the details of someone's private lives to the public unless money is exchanged[...]"

I would say that it is clear that Lauda's and TMAN's action meet the above criteria.

In regards to this potentially being a "bluff for entrapment" I would strongly disagree that is the case. I would point out that paying an extortion payment is not an admission of guilt. For example, if Lauda were to tell you that you needed to send him 2 BTC or he will tell your wife that you recently cheated on her, the fact that you (hypothetically) paid this extortion payment does not necessarily mean that you recently cheated on your wife. I presume that most people would not want their significant other receiving this kind of message -- the chances of you paying might be higher if you had cheated on her many years ago that she found out about (possibly in a similar manor), but remain loyal since then, or if your wife has trust issues, or if you are having marital problems, but remain loyal to her.

I also remember a few years ago that Roger Ver posted a video of him receiving a skype call in which someone threatened to "SWAT" his mother if he did not sent 20 BTC to a specific address. I suspect that there was no reason for a SWAT team to visit Ver's mother's house, however Ver might have paid if he didn't want his mother getting 'swated' -- IIRC Ver actually ended up offering a 20 BTC bounty for the guy's arrest.

This is not a case of extortion strictly speaking, rather it is a case of attempted extortion, which is just as much of a crime, and is just as bad.

In regards to your comments about my motives, I would say that I have a history of not being friendly to extortionists. I would refer you to my public interactions regarding puzzle.me and and candystripes/thoughtful to see my long history of my strong negative opinions regarding attempted extortion.

Lauda is Croatian I am 90% sure on this, you do not get modded for a countries section if you're not fluent in that language (Or even show any interest to mod a section if you didn't speak that language, Lauda showed interest in the Croatian section, I wonder why), by the way they typed and worded things I can tell 100% they are totally fluent in writing and speaking Croatian

I guess this is more of an "how is that (Lauda being Croatian, or not) relevant here (Lauda [...] extortion attempt)...  ???

Why are you always defending Lauda? in all topics I see

Are you an alt?

Before I fully respond to this, I have a question relating to motive. In this situation, should the good things that Lauda has done for the forum & community be a factor when determining reasonable doubt over whether or not this was an extortion attempt to bring someone supposedly shady out into the open -or- an extortion attempt for some sort of financial gain?  Again, I don't really agree with either, but the latter is much worse IMO.

Also, I'm not sure your example is very compelling for me. Personally, I would first tell Lauda I unfortunately don't own 2BTC - as sad as that is - so attempting to extort me is pointless as I couldn't send it anyway (donations are accepted! 8)). Even if I did have it, I'm too strong minded (or maybe hard headed?) that I would never pay anything for something I didn't do. There are other things I would do in this situation, but I'm not going to give away how I would defend myself. Besides, my wife trusts me and would certainly believe my word over some damn online cat!  ;D

They just brought up "shady" things of mine and never were able to prove that I apparently hacked bitfinex, ran serveral ponzies and even run a botnet, because I didn't do any of that. We decided to talk about it in private.
Feel free to bring anything up against lauda though, I honestly don't think he deserves the staff badge.

Thump

I find it ironic those same 3 stooges Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are in the other thread.

Those 3 and other's in that group sure do like to pack on the posts  ::) ::)

He should of called the feds/interpol himself....Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.

Can't say much for the last stooge.

My full name and the city I live in has been posted publicly by me in the past. Please report me to the authorities for my heinous crimes of creating threads on an internet forum.

They seem to be running the gamut lately.......oh the Alt's  ::) ::)

I'm sure ya'll got some drama, I'm not in that.  Just leaving my 2 cents.

I'm guessing you mean the OgNasty thread. In regards to that, Lauda and I like to keep up to date on current forum events. I couldn't give a fuck about the current situation between TMAN and OgNasty (or whoever else is involved), which you can see if you read my post.

Almost like we enjoy posting here. I'm truly glad that people would like to ruin that simply because I associate myself with select groups of people.

TMAN isn't. No idea about Lauda, but I also suspect not.

I'm assuming you mean me. Look on my profile.

In addition, this offer isn't just open to 8xbt:

I have one alt that I have noted myself publicly with 3 posts on it.

Seems to me, judging by your last posts, you're knee deep in some drama. Whatever floats your boat.

Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.

Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?

I guess to expect the other 2 to come along as well ::)

Don't recall looking at your profile, if I did, I would of stated where you were from.

It's not just in these two threads either.  When someone starts pushing their "friends" "associates" "suggestion" or "opinion" ya they get lumped in.  You don't have the luxury of saying I'm on the sidelines  ::) sidelines is not an observer it is an active participant although sitting

I don't consider it drama.  I consider this an Extortion.

The other thread is just another attempt at getting to OG.  Both of these things are wrong.

I'm not going to shut my mouth or get "bullied" wrong Joe Bro

BTW there is an ignore button you don't have to see/read/whatever I got to say. 

TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN.

zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?

What's your favorite board game? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362965.0)

::)

Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?

Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

I find all of this unlikely to be true. At least anything that has any relevance.

Don't hold your breath. I'm usually the only one dumb enough to take the bait.

I know you didn't. That's why I told you to.

It'd be really helpful if you could split up your posts to show what exactly you are replying to. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Relating to me, this thread is drama because Quickseller doesn't like me. If you read about my 'involvement', you can see that I wasn't at all related to the extortion and was simply trying to enforce forum rules. This is something I'll be sure not to do again. Ban evaders can run wild for all I care; I'm not risking my reputation to try and make this place better.

As I said, I couldn't care less about the drama between Og and others. I have my own gripes with Og that I may or may not address in the future, but relating to his treasurer status I am indifferent.

Cool? I don't believe I ever asked you to.

I believe I have only ever ignored one user on this board and that was only temporary. I can't say I intend to start now, especially with people expressing semi-valid opinions.

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Neither of these claims are accurate. TMAN no longer lives in the UK AFAIK, and he has never lived near Zepher.

Correct.

Not from my understanding. I was told that TMAN and Zeroxal had made an agreement and was requested to adhere to it.

Oh only 1 f and not directed at me.  Just some mention of guns n bullet proof stuff, got some arrows on a roof. 

Damn must be a High crime area I'd rather move than live in a prison.  Some protection and couple of night vision cameras are good enough for me and I'm near Detroit and I think we were once the Murder Capital.

Hope you find a safer place.  Gammon is a great game.

TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

no i live in a safe area buddy - but its all about face where I am...  big house, big gates, armed guards..  something keyboard warriors like QS who still lives in his mums basement wouldn't know about..

and admittedly I have a potty mouth - but nothing you have said has deserved a barrage of abuse, QS gets off on trying to annoy people and standing up for his lover OG.. I just enjoy pointing out how wrong he is.

 :D "potty mouth" must be the UK thing.  I talk like a trucker.  But, man those words were just every where!! lol I mean a lil funny but still wayyyy too much I still can't get it outta head lol Glad it was only 1 I could take a few more just not every other word lol

Hey Wendigo..........I picked the casino instead of buying stuff.  Glad I did and hitta lil jackpot.  Pissed I had to pay taxes cuz it was just above the requirement :(.  

TMAN I bet you smoke weed all day long

TMAN no longer lives in the UK as he has already pointed out.

As for me, I will save you the trouble of searching your databases for my address (defcon23, anyone?..). I do indeed live in the UK, though I am not gonna go and dox myself and name the city, I will let you do that, as you have done before with revealing my first name on the forum with one of your sock puppet accounts.

By the way, I like how you have gone to the effort to obtain my address even though I have never made a deal with you, nor ever will. Clears up a few things for me, anyway.

So you want me to dox you? You are okay with this?


I have the dox of many people around here, some of which very few people otherwise know anything about them. It is one tool that I can use if/when someone decides to engage in "funny business" and steal from others.


Anyway, Lauda, TMAN and minifrij are still extortionists, and I am very disappointed that others within the community are still entrusting them, and are not voicing their opinions about the situation.

So you want me to dox you? You are okay with this?


I have the dox of many people around here, some of which very few people otherwise know anything about them. It is one tool that I can use if/when someone decides to engage in "funny business" and steal from others.


Anyway, Lauda, TMAN and minifrij are still extortionists, and I am very disappointed that others within the community are still entrusting them, and are not voicing their opinions about the situation.

the problem with tolerating jerks in your community, friend group, or employees is that all of the nice people quietly drift away maybe what they did wasn't technically against the rules, but the damage is done every time a place becomes a little (or a lot) more hostile

https://twitter.com/ladyaeva/status/894279269521784832

Feels so good to see Lauda without green trust, it's like Christmas came early

Gotta love shill/alt accounts. I wonder whether you're a spammer or a scammer that I've tagged. ::)

OK...I got it. So lauda is a extortinist ??

Bump, can't let this get away from first page

Eat shit pederu, I bet you already got your alt signed up, you are fucking done here now you extortionist

Anyways what was the amount in BTC the cut was that the user Lauda was asking?

There was no extortion (read sting operation), nor was any amount asked/specified nor were any addresses given. Half of this thread is a falsified and twisted version of what actually happened. Quickseller has a habit of doing this (among other things), which is why his trust rating is almost -500.

Do not believe what this person is saying, anyone caught in something bad will deny it all, this is a perfect example

Gotta love shill/alt accounts. I wonder whether you're a spammer or a scammer that I've tagged. ::)

Haha Lauda, you made so much good here that these spammers or scammers hate you. The more good you do for community, the more hater there will be always, it's like a rule. Please tag as more scammer/spammer as possible.

badge101
Do you see Lauda in your nightmare with green trust?

This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself

Nothing personal but why do you care if TMAN pays 200$ to someone to get dox?
If you are so smart, try and get my dox. I believe you can't.

This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. From an observers standpoint (since this is always in my new replies tab) we should only talk about reasons why Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are extortionist and why they are not until someone finds evidence and a conclusion. Just my two cents please don't persecute me.

"If they really hate you, that means that you're doing something right."

They are attempting to derail the thread and distract from their crimes.

So trolling on an Internet forum is a crime now?  ;D
Listen up folks, you have a scam accusation opened against you, your crimes will not go unpunished!  ;D ;D

This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. ..

I can't believe you honestly stand by that saying.
If you really do...

TMAN is trolling. He is a professional troll. You can safely ignore him.

I got OG,s dox and he has now taken down his Facebook because of it, can't understand why as I haven't had to do anything with them yet. I am not a professional Troll, I am a business man and bitcoiner who hates you and your stupid lover OGDogg

This thread is dead / i.e. there is nothing to discuss. Half of it (if not more) is the made up reality from Quickseller. You don't need to ask why his rating is at (almost) minus 500.

I can't believe that you don't. Take a look at my retaliatory untrusted ratings, as well as the number of scammers, farmers, et. al. that I've tagged.

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You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.

behind an extortionist?

Nope.  The community has determined he is not an extortionist.

The only people to believe such are ones with questionable ethics.   :/

Actually multiple people have agreed lauda is an extortionist and theymos fired lauda from being on staff.

Interesting to see that lauda is having you shill for him.

I will be honest and say that I have long thought you are a sock of lauda and your statements in this thread make it look more to be the case.

You either believe Lauda's motives or you don't.  You believe the "extortion" attempt was a sting operation, or you believe it was straight up extortion.  Given Lauda's history as an upstanding member here, it seems most of the community believes that it wasn't really extortion.  Either way, it was ill-advised and Lauda pretty much admits that, and I do believe that's why the firing happened. 

Nope.  The community has determined he is not an extortionist.

The only people to believe such are ones with questionable ethics.   :/

To me it looks like there is no consensus among the community members. You can try to dismiss this with personal attacks, but I dont think it will change someones mind. Then again, maybe my understand of 'the community' differs from yours.

If people agreed with QS then Lauda and TMAN would have recieved more negatives than just yours. Don't you agree?

If people agreed with QS then Lauda and TMAN would have recieved more negatives than just yours. Don't you agree?

@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)

It looks like shorena is trying to prevent you from hiding how you weasel out of negative situations like this one.

I have absolutely no idea why a confirmed scammer such as yourself is commenting this or any cases at all. Must be boring in that basement, no? ::)

In other words, you can't refute my argument, so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)

Wondering what happened to you. You don't seem the same person from mid-late 2016.

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@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.

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Stating facts, i.e. that you're a confirmed scammer, is not ad hominem in any way. :)

Yes I ignored it.

Its exactly what ad hominem means, you try to refute the argument (you try to hide the discussion in private PMs) by talking negativly about the person who made it.

So can we please drop this topic and focus on my question for a few posts?

I'm going to ignore it too then.

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@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.

It sounds like Lauda is unable to backup his rating in *any* way. The rating is fairly clearly retaliatory in nature.

I would suggest involving both Blazed and hilariousandco in the situation, as their credibility will be shot if they allow Lauda to remain on their trust lists.

I have posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2129181.0) a thread to either have hilariousandco removed from being staff or he remove Lauda from his trust list.

A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 

A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 

I'm going to ignore it too then. It works both ways, as long as accounts can be escrowed all is fine I guess. ::)

It sounds like Lauda is unable to backup his rating in *any* way. The rating is fairly clearly retaliatory in nature.

I would suggest involving both Blazed and hilariousandco in the situation, as their credibility will be shot if they allow Lauda to remain on their trust lists.

Quickseller is now using his alts to pretend he has support for this ridiculous accusation.

If he is not willing to stand behind his complaint, should we take it seriously?

Exactly the maturity level I expected from you.

Just the same intransparent shit as always with Laura, 'you may not know my reasons, but the exist. honest!!! More important people know them'.

..since a conversation with Lauda is impossible.

Others are always welcome and treated properly via the proper communication channels.
 

You literally openly admitted in the past that you troll people you believe are in a weak position.

You routinely troll others who question you and ignore almost all (if not all) concerns others post about you.

This statement could not be farther from the truth.

You are a bad person.

You are a bad person.

Lol, I find it hilarious how easy it is for some people to troll zepher:D

Correct, mostly friends and acquaintances who make stupid mistakes. It does not seem like you know the meaning of the word fun.

I think you were referencing yourself in the following part of your post, snowflake:

That is literally the opposite of the context of what you said and is the opposite of your actions.

although you do troll me in order to avoid addressing my concerns publicly, you troll many, many other people who you view to be in a position of weakness.

You like to address concerns privately because you are less likely to be called out on your BS, and can more easily explain away that you were mistaken when someone finds a discrepancy in what you say.

I just wasted fifteen minutes of my worthless life reading through this thread.  It shocks me that several other people have done the same and even took the time to make "arguments" on it.

The only meaningful content in the last three pages has been one question from shorena which no one bothered to answer.

Unfortunitly lauda and friends have been attempting to derail the thread in order to distract from their criminal activity.

Unfortunitly lauda and friends have been attempting to derail the thread in order to distract from their criminal activity.

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Which has nothing to do with reality / could not be further from the truth. Some people do not deserve a proper conversation from me, such as the case with OP. Others are always welcome and treated properly via the proper communication channels.

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You are starting to turn into QS.

I have always prefered open communictaion over PMs.

3rd post, you still didnt answer me, yet still say you would as long as I behave like you want me to. This is not how communications works.

This is how you threat those that receive a rating from you, usually added with some bad memes and mockery.

Which is why you got the rating from me, you still bully people, be it not with extortions but with more subtle ways.

Talking to you makes no sense, talking to those giving you power makes no sense and the rest of the community is behind you as well.

@lauda, i have a new hero member for sell. i sent you a pm

1) You have not sent me anything / I am not interested.
2) Talk to the master account puppeteer, the OP. He is likely to be interested.
3) If you need an escrow that likes to escrow account sales, then contact shorena. :)

sure, I still have the pm's ;)

If anyone want just shot me a PM. I wil share the username of accounts bought by Lauda by PM.

I would never give a shit about this guy but when I see he replies to his own posts...it is making me sick...

If anyone want just shot me a PM. I wil share the username of accounts bought by Lauda by PM.

I would never give a shit about this guy but when I see he replies to his own posts...it is making me sick...

Its funny how QS find him self on so much drama on this forum.

[...] I think it is sad how multiple people can run around extorting people without any kind of consequences.

[...] Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)

...
or you're plain lying.
...
It seems to be the latter...   :-X

If you think that in this case there weren't "any kind of consequences" then you either weren't paying attention or you're plain lying.

As this reply was right here in this topic:


It seems to be the latter...   :-X

[...] Lauda also still has significant power/authority [...]

Man, I must have costed [Quickseller] and [his] alts a lot of money by tagging farmed accounts, abusers et. al. Don't get me started on the *escrows* of this forum. Otherwise [he] wouldn't be pursing this until [his] grave. ::)

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Should I bump your face Quickscammer.

Extortion ,ransom are considered as felony crimes and some countries like UAE and Swiss have a serious consequences for it. Even in US there is upto 4 years of imprisonment(I guess). Was any Legal action was taken against the extortionists?

No legal action was taken as there is no basis to do so. Anyhow, considering that this is pushed by mostly criminals (excluding shorena :roll_eyes:), there will be no legal action of any kind unless they want to go to prison themselves. E.g. OP is a chronic scammer that got busted for stealing escrow pennies. ::)

I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.

I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.

Why are you contacting German authorities when no one involved lives in Germany?

This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.

This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.

Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists.

Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.

Lauda, aren't you located in Bulgaria like your buddie cryptodevil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22076727#msg22076727) ???

No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

or is it that I am Lauda? aren't we all Lauda?

No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Lol, do you think TMAN actually cares whether you believe him or not? Let alone answering such a ridiculous question. How would you know whether he Googled the answer anyway?

I can say that he does indeed live there, has done for several months now.

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I wish this thread would just die already.. God. That dead horse gif is more than adequate right about now.

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Left to right as it's fucking confusing. Like stupid anoyibg as you end up walking off thinking someone has said no, then realise 3 seconds later as they say "dah" or however yes is pronounced

You are a scumbag who will eventually rot in hell. Anyone who does business with you is asking to get screwed over.

Lauda, aren't you located in Bulgaria like your buddie cryptodevil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22076727#msg22076727) ???

BUMP!

thought I would get in before you QS?

how is the basement today? still dreaming about seeing some titties other than your mothers?

Now, bitcoin has become more popular than ever, of course there will be scammers. Not just about the popularity, but the fact that it's value is immeasurable and can make someone filthy rich. So, we need to be more careful on everything.

Considering the way you've behaved, people which you support, and everything you've done in the meantime, you do not deserve anyone answering any of your requests. You very well know what you did, and if you do not then you should not be in DT to begin with.¹

Damn, those memes hurt a lot / totally don't make people laugh. ::)

Talk about validity of ratings and support for freedom of speech. +1. :)

[1] I tend to have a nice eye for changes, occasionally.

Thanks for your much appreciated input. We'll all make sure to remember those lines of wisdom.

/s

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Just a small bump to keep this at the top

Bump, can't let this get away from first page

Just here for a friendly bump

bumping for visibility

I don't know how he isn't just outright banned.   He uses his status as his own personal vendetta machine.

Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.

Huh? Who are you again?

Fully agree with the action of Quickseller to expose these trust system abuser. Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.

Fully agree with the action of Quickseller to expose these trust system abuser. Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.

Bump for visibility. The cancer of the forum Lauda and his alts must die.

Still the same people

Prove it.

Being new here, I would like to know why you are always very blindly backing lauda and his questionable decisions, including when he lies and extorts people out of their hard earned money. As an avid tor user, I am an expert in staying anon, and love advertising so.

wrong account?

I also want to point out that I checked the archives and have confirmed that minifrij likes to blindly back lauda even when lauda is very clearly in the wrong.

I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha

I do not know, wtf u mean by "farmed", but Lauda put me shitty neg trust for, one transaction from me to my friend, and when I gives 1000+1 proofs, that she is wrong, she only say:"Ha-ha".....and nothing!!! I never know about such clowns as Lauda, but now I see, that this "clown" is simply abusing his power in all the ways without any real use..... I will repeat again, one day that shitty abusing will end, and all those kings will be kicked from the forum, cuz nobody need them  :-*

+1

I keep waiting for the trust abuse issue to be resolved; however, as long as they are colluding with one another, it looks like it will never be resolved.  They have been using the trust system to "game" the forum for years now.  There are very few DT members that can be trusted....I have my trust level settings set at DT1....I don't give any credit to anybody on the DT2 list (in fact ---> I believe they are the BIGGEST thieves on the forum) because many of them are actively colluding with one another in abusive schemes....So, because it does not look like it will change, the best thing we can do is just recognize the abuses and be aware that those people held in high esteem by the trust system are actually those who are the least trustworthy ---> when I see the green ratings, I automatically think that they are scammers; maybe that's "my bad," but it's true!  My advice is to develop your own trust network and don't rely on an arbitrary reputation algorithm to make personal decisions....trust is earned.

Can you name those robbers? also is their anyone from India in your list?

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The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?

The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?

Have you ever study your nation laws? One does not should use online for Extorting, and these people get long lasting Prison without help.

In India Assisting frauds also Unlawful and cops are too tracking for Online Criminal offenses. It's not for the Mods it will go to the FBI and nation cops.

BTW can you tell whether Extorting is allowed in your country?

I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)

Why do you think this is related

Why do you think this is related

because he is a troll and a cunt.

so he came into the nearest thread started by another trolling cunt and posted some useless nonsense!

makes perfect sense to me cunty

I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. ;)

Well it seems your thread is another example of Lauda attempting to distract from serious allegations involving his friends and business partners. He came pretty close to being successful at derailing the thread, and probably would have if theymos had not looked into the incident.

Oh man. Both of you are suffering from persecutory delusions. I give a shit on you and also on Lauda. The only thing you both do all day is to blame you. Like little kids. My God, grow up. Both of you should leave your house more to enjoy your life. Which adult person has "enemies" on the internet? You do not need to answer my question at all. I will not discuss with you or with anyone else about your toddler disputes.  ::)

Extortion is on the books as being illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction. Some countries will enforce it more strictly than others though.

If law enforcement is aware of extortion or an attempt thereof in either TMANs or minfrjs country, they will likely pursue it if they know who they are. Investigating this will probably not be a high priority if they don’t have a complaint or tip. Someone who knows their IRL identity should report them to their local law enforcement.

I thought to report this thread at https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us , but don't know the Country which Lauda lives. In the past few years back when I contacted them they said to contact the local police for any theft online that occurred.

We should have more details and people engaged in this group should be sent to appropriate Juridification.

It is not hard to get everything nowadays, as every nation put tight circumstances to capture fraudsters on internet. I think IP is best way to capture these people to put in JAIL.

Leaving these kind of people will become more fraudsters so we should report until the police arrest happens.

not everyone lives in the USA...

as Keyboard warriors like QS like to say.... come at me bro!

So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?

So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?

Did you read the logs of what happened? or are you only using the "Evidence" that QS provided?

I am curious to know.. as we all understand what a great source QS is for any international legal matters. Even "if" laws were actually broken, which jurisdiction were they broken in? you understand that multiple countries are involved here don't you?

anyway - keep on busying yourself with your Erection for Lauda because they tagged you.  I will say I have known Lauda for a few years, we talk off forum and I haven't got a fucking scooby where they are based..

Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?

Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?

This started when your co-conspirator misquoted someone here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg31412110#msg31412110), and everyone since then just used the 'quote' button.

your co-conspirator

Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?

Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,

It was me on mobile. Fixed now fuckface

I already fixed it in my part, P.s do you belong to Australia, France or UK? In these countries they have strict laws, but still here people are not taking care of such laws.

None of the above fucktard.. it must be annoying being so butt hurt over a neg

I now believe this to be more serious than an extortion attempt to 'investigate a crime/scam' but was also a coverup attempt when TMAN called (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17577013#msg17577013) zeroxal's mother. I understand this call was telling her that the harassment of zeroxal's family would continue if zeroxal did not stop accusing lauda of his extortion attempt. I also understand that this was not the only phone call to zeroxal's family members that were made by what I now believe to be essentially a gang.

Are you talking about when you signed a message trying to extort someone for BTC and then your cohorts harassed the victim going as far as to contact his family members until he agreed to not pursue anything against you? Ya, same thing.  ::)

I did nothing wrong. There were no victims. Nobody on this thread was involved. It’s sad that you continue to destroy any shred of credibility you once had.

Oh boy, now we're cranking up the heat!

I think it's rather silly to be adding these people so long after, but what do I know. ::)

I updated the OP to add more conspirators.

I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue.

Not sure why I'm even on the list, I was made aware of it after the fact and had no real part in it other than an observer,but fuck facts... LOL... Quickstretcher is your new nick of the day! :D

None of the people that you've added have anything to do with this[1]. It was TMAN and I, nobody else (I've been repeatedly calling for the removal of minifrij's name due to no-involvement, but you don't care about the truth). I'm guessing you were ordered by *you-know-who* to set this up in order to neg. them too?

I didn't address it because it is a lie; in what universe would you believe that someone with this opsec would call someone else around here? Quite the jokesters you and mr. dogg are.

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I'll be requesting that more DT members tag you because of [1] once I find more time. The other guy can't be tagged because obvious reasons. Thank you.

Quickscammer doesn't care about any facts.

So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?

No. String (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation).

In other words, everyone listed in the op is involved in your extortion attempt...

https://i.imgur.com/WBL7B9X.jpg

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I strongly suggest that you seek professional help.

it would probably not be unreasonable to believe someone participated

https://i.imgur.com/WBL7B9X.jpg

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I strongly suggest that you seek professional help.

Enjoy it scammer, because it's not going to happen... in case you are not retarded, this thread is pretty old and most of it is bullshit. You have zero knowledge of anything here, so just fuck off bcash shill.

Again. Fuck you quickscammer...  and you too OG, green slimeball! ;D

Lol you another prove of Dawn of the Lauda.

Only stupid teenagers like you, is a last line of support.

Every smart person, after reading your histeric message will feel smell... Smell of dead horse :D

Learn proper English, ya fucking Pajeet.

BTW, I'm 45 years old, so bite my ass retard. :D

Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists. Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.

Shut you Quickscammer. Oh by the way Shitscammer is also BiPolarBob.

OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

That is most certainly not proof of:

There was extreme drama in that chatroom before I joined back to Slack. I didn't even knew some of the people in there existed before I joined back. Stop trying to hurt innocent people.

IronMarvel2 very clearly gave you zeroxal's passport (image), according to zeroxal. Owlcatz was very clearly harassing zeroxal about bogus claims of criminal activity that was the basis for the extortion attempt.

I am not sure how this could be any more clear.

IronMarvel2 very clearly gave you zeroxal's passport (image), according to zeroxal. Owlcatz was very clearly harassing zeroxal about bogus claims of criminal activity that was the basis for the extortion attempt.

I am not sure how this could be any more clear.

Edit from previous post: Is that a fresh statement? It seems somewhat different from what I remember.

Yes. How exactly is it different?

I don't think taking the copy of a passport under the guise of confidentiality and giving it to someone who is attempting to extort him is exactly "innocent"

I also wonder why he'd comment on this now as we've left this on *decent terms* all things considered.

Motivation remains questionable.

I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.

Maybe he wants criminals to be held accountable, especially when he is the victim of a crime those criminals engaged in, thats just a guess.

Yeah, no. Keep trying to make this worse than it actually is.

I don't see how you can view this any other way...

All this is, in its entirety, is a desperate revenge attack for the questions raised against *you-know-who*. You are so desperate and shameless that you are willing to hurt innocent people in order to accomplish your malicious goals. Then you come to me, question my ratings and complain  about some kind of bias somewhere. Ironic, predictable, and petty.

I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.

This case has been settled already.

However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.

However, Quickseller obviously knows more about how Zeroxal feels than Zeroxal.

Did you really call Zeroxal on the phone?

This might be crazy, but maybe zeroxal wanted the harassment and intimidation to stop.

TMAN called his mom

So, after Zeroxal wants it to stop and go away, you continue bumping it for over a year - despite the people behind it being tagged for such?

I'm not going to argue about this further though, it's clear that you won't even remove the incorrect information about me in this thread, let alone be respectful to the victim.

those responsible

need to be held accountable.

~snip

OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Nice work, although you are doing excellent to clean this forum. Please keep everything So we all can complaint to local authorities and  https://twitter.com/FBI
also will try at facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FBI/