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Title: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 26, 2017, 02:36:30 AM
What happened:: Lauda attempted (http://archive.is/szqRf) to extort another user by asking for  a"cut to keep quiet" about zeroaxl's alleged criminal activity. Lauda admitted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17570759#msg17570759) to sending an "extortion message" (highlighted archive (http://archive.is/szqRf#selection-3611.33-3611.121)) to zeroaxl. In the extortion message, Lauda claimed to be aware of, and have evidence of serious criminal activity that zeroaxl was allegedly involved in. Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.

Shortly thereafter, TMAN created a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934.0;all) (various archives of the thread can be found here (http://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934*)) that was intended to make additional claims of knowledge of alleged criminal activity on the part of zeroaxl, give additional "reminders" of the consequences of such alleged criminal activity if law enforcement were to get notified, as well as an attempt to harm zeroaxl's reputation here, making it more difficult for him to profitably conduct business in the forum.

Around the same time that Lauda sent the extortion message, minifrij opened a thread (http://archive.is/5rXZn) attempting to get zeroaxl banned from the forum, which would also make it more difficult for him to conduct business on the forum.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872 - Lauda f/k/a LaudaM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986 - TMAN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138940 - minifrij

Although there may be additional people that actively participated in this extortion attempt, I do not yet have concrete evidence of their participation.

Amount Scammed: It is unclear if an extortion payment was actually made or not, as the victim did not disclose an address that Lauda was asking for payment to be sent to.

Additional Notes: Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy, however he was claiming to be well aware (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-2817.0-2817.2) of the status of the extortion payment, and he did oblige (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-5731.74-5731.192) (archive of his entire post (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-3749.144-3749.355)) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating" immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.

Lauda has claimed that the 'extortion message' was an attempt to gather information as part of an investigation, however the payment of an extortion demand would not necessarily indicate guilt (see below)
>Paying an extortion payment -
>The fact that someone makes an extortion payment does not necessarily mean
>that the information claimed to be in possession of by the criminal is true.
>I had posted a couple of reasons why a victim may pay an extortion payment
>when untrue information is being threatened to be released. Another reason
>why someone may pay an extortion payment is that they are on parole, and a
>person’s parole office receiving a report of criminal activity by the victim
>may result in the victim going back to jail while this claim can be
>investigated. As a result of this,
...
>I would not consider the fact that
>someone paid an extortion payment an admission that the information used
>to extort the victim is true.


edit: March 4, 2018

After careful consideration of the relevant facts, I am adding the following people to this allegation:
IronMarvel2 http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4687.0-4686.2
owlcatz http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4995.0-5004.1

The reason being is that they were either harassing the victim by making outrageous claims of crimes that no reasonable person would believe is true, or provided private personal information that was provided by the victim under the guise of it remaining confidential.

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: DrMsEr on January 26, 2017, 09:07:40 AM
It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. :-\


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: pawel7777 on January 26, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
Quote
Additional Notes:  Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

Looks like they all agreed to sort the issue privately between themselves, since all the threads were locked and edited with 'TBC'. Zeroxal is still active on the forum and he could unlock his own accusation thread if he wished to, so I don't see why would you create this one.

I haven't gone to deep in the details, but am of opinion that the intentions were good and genuine, but the entire idea of playing self-made law enforcers and performing sting operation was indeed pretty fucking stupid (and likely illegal).

Has Lauda stated what he would actually do with the money if Zeroxal decided to pay?



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: HEPHAISTOS on January 26, 2017, 12:41:45 PM
The topic about Lauda one after another, I saw on him in 2 months more than I saw on Satoshi Nakalotoo in 8 years, and this one seems to be the most interesting After this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.20).
It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. :-\

Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 26, 2017, 12:58:44 PM
It seems all Reputed people are involved in this extortion, even forum Moderator is involved.
what to say more about it, i thought theymos pay the mods here enough that they don't need to do such activity.. :-\
Some people just get greedy. Lauda comes across as someone who does whatever he wants without considering the effects of his actions upon other people. I do not know TMAN nor have I even heard of him prior to this incident. minifrig seems to just follow the heard.

Quote
Additional Notes:  Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

Looks like they all agreed to sort the issue privately between themselves, since all the threads were locked and edited with 'TBC'. Zeroxal is still active on the forum and he could unlock his own accusation thread if he wished to, so I don't see why would you create this one.
This was implying that the threads were closed with the intention of trying to get zeroaxl to pay up.

I haven't gone to deep in the details, but am of opinion that the intentions were good and genuine,
I disagree. As stated in the OP, getting someone to pay an extortion payment proves little more than the fact that the extortion victim has at least the amount of money that he paid

Has Lauda stated what he would actually do with the money if Zeroxal decided to pay?
No, not publicly.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: pawel7777 on January 26, 2017, 01:07:20 PM

Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)

Didn't expect that. I wonder whether he was removed or stepped down himself.

Anyhow, if the 'victim' - Zeroxal considers the case settled, then I see no point in debating the issue any further.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17603873#msg17603873

Quote from: Zeroxal
I can assure that not a single satoshi has been paid to the extortion attempt. Everything has been discussed privately using slack and we decided to put down the threads for the time being. Lauda has been doing a great job regarding this matter, I have brought him evidence of me not being guilty of possessing illegal funds. I do think this case has been settled, but many others are not the same opinion. I kindly ask what still needs to be "investigated".


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zeroxal on January 26, 2017, 01:54:08 PM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: LoyceV on January 26, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 26, 2017, 05:22:31 PM
The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.
I am not sure how an attempt to extort someone can be made in "good intention". This was nothing more than an attempt to gain money that they were not entitled to.

My suspicion is that Lauda and/or his friends were able to determine that zeroxal has a lot of money, and would be willing to give up some of that wealth to avoid the hassle of a police investigation into a bunch of bogus ridiculous accusations (such as zeroaxl hacking both fox, and bitfinex, and running ponzis).

I find it very strange that zeroaxl was forced to give up his Dox to what can only be described as a gang. As long as they have his Dox, zeroaxl will of course say that the situation is resolved because he does not want his Dox published.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on January 26, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
WOW this is a sizey piece of drama around here.. how can i get in on this ? ;)  ;D

Lauda is no longer staff here ? woah holy cow guys !
And fired or resigned ?

I will wait and see how this plays out.
Supposedly there was a sting operation behind this but i see little info on that.
It seems plausible so i don't want to jump to conclusions too quick here.

I looked at a couple links on this topic and i did not see a comment from Lauda either.. hmmm ?

PS:
I will accept Lauda's job now that there is an opening  ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on January 26, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy
Which I'm not.

however he was claiming to be well aware (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-2817.0-2817.2) of the status of the extortion payment
I have no idea about the status of the extortion payment, if it happened at all. I have already explained this to you (http://archive.is/EZge9#selection-5645.0-5647.102).
Why do you just ignore information that isn't what you want?

and he did oblige (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-5731.74-5731.192) (archive of his entire post (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-3749.144-3749.355)) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating"
Removing a thread (which was later reposted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764725.0)) that will cause nothing but unnecessary drama now means that I am in on an extortion plot? Please.
May I also add that I am in good contact with all those involved due to being a member of a Slack channel for coin collectors. If this hadn't been the case, I doubt that I would have been requested to remove the thread.

immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.
You really have no idea when any of this happened, do you? The thread was originally posted at around 3AM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759631.msg17571005#msg17571005), which was a few hours after the extortion demand had been sent. The threads were then taken down at 5PM the same day (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1760242.msg17577635#msg17577635). There was over 12 hours between the extortion demand being sent and the threads being removed; that is not immediately.

minifrig seems to just follow the heard.
I follow what I think is right, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

You also seem to be having serious problems spelling our names. They're not that hard.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on January 26, 2017, 08:49:25 PM
Trying to hide drama doubles it.. put it on the table do what ya gotta do and move on.
People who have nothing to hide do not delete topics :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on January 26, 2017, 09:03:10 PM
Trying to hide drama doubles it.. put it on the table do what ya gotta do and move on.
Why would I admit to something I didn't do?

People who have nothing to hide do not delete topics :D
I've explained this before. I've also reposted the exact same thread since. Please keep up.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: K~Ehleyr on January 26, 2017, 09:15:18 PM
The extortion attempt was made for "good intent"
..
A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed
I've seen several threads about this, but didn't follow it in full detail. I was shocked to see the extortion attempt by Lauda, and from what I've seen from her (him?), I do believe it was out of good intent.
I also believe Lauda overplayed her hand, she did a great job fighting spam on this forum, so I'm sorry to see her lose her nuke-button.

I agree with all of this.  Lauda fights for what she believes is right and I believe she thought this plan of action to be a good idea at the time.  If her intention had not been for the greater good, she would not have told others of her plan beforehand.  It's just a shame nobody was able to point out to her in time that it was actually a really really bad idea.  But who of us hasn't had a really crap idea about how to do the right thing at some point in our lives, especially when really worked up about a perceived injustice.

With no disrespect towards the other staff members who work hard around here, this forum is really going to go down the toilet fast without Lauda keeping spammers and account sales in check.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on January 26, 2017, 09:15:40 PM

As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Who is this investigation team? Lauda and his sock puppets?
Lauda is from former Yugoslavia, I believe Lauda is either a hrvat or serb


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on January 26, 2017, 11:50:42 PM
Has Lauda made any statements about this whole situation, or even losing his staff position. Was he revoked from his position or did he resign? He seems to be active but I couldn't find any statements from him about the situation.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

giving me negative trust QS - after the above is pretty low.. Just because I had you on ignore for your incessant ramblings and ignoring the facts presented.. can I ask were you bullied at school or something?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on January 27, 2017, 12:19:34 AM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

giving me negative trust QS - after the above is pretty low.. Just because I had you on ignore for your incessant ramblings and ignoring the facts presented.. can I ask were you bullied at school or something?

I'd remove that last comment of yours quick and fast, it will only get you more negative trust, trust me.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 27, 2017, 12:28:45 AM
why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol
Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 12:32:02 AM
why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol
Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

it seems so lol this community rotten to the core many green trust users are scammers/blackmailers/self escrow scammers


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:09:32 AM
why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol
Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

yes - take down scammers - people like you QS.... proven scammers. all I have ever done is traded fairly.

17.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person who, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, makes any unwarranted demand with menaces.

(2) For the purposes of this section—

(a) a demand with menaces shall be unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief—

(i) that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand, and

(ii) that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand;

(b) the nature of the act or omission demanded shall be immaterial and it shall also be immaterial whether or not the menaces relate to action to be taken by the person making the demand.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

(a) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both,

(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years or to both.

read that - if you can understand it - the ruse we pulled was to gain information... that is legal where I come from... you just enjoy taking personal vendettas to far.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:12:58 AM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

proof above - if lauda was extorting for money then where is the payment address?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 01:17:04 AM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

proof above - if lauda was extorting for money then where is the payment address?

what is the point of giving payment adress before blackmailed one accept to pay


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 27, 2017, 01:20:47 AM
why only shorena and quickseller(whose trust has no meaning because he is not trustable) negging those blackmailer shits where is warriors of justice of this community who are eager to neg newbies lol
Maybe because the "warriors of justice" are not so much warriors of justice, but are rather trying to accomplish something else....

yes - take down scammers - people like you QS.... proven scammers. all I have ever done is traded fairly.

17.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person who, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, makes any unwarranted demand with menaces.

(2) For the purposes of this section—

(a) a demand with menaces shall be unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief—

(i) that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand, and

(ii) that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand;

(b) the nature of the act or omission demanded shall be immaterial and it shall also be immaterial whether or not the menaces relate to action to be taken by the person making the demand.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—

(a) on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both,

(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years or to both.

read that - if you can understand it - the ruse we pulled was to gain information... that is legal where I come from... you just enjoy taking personal vendettas to far.
Yea, that statute does not exonerate you in any way whatsoever. I cannot even see the logic to someone thinking that some part of that statute would allow them to attempt to extort money from someone.

I don't know you, and I have never even heard of you, let alone interacted with you prior to me finding out that you tried to extort zeroaxl, so I think it is difficult for you to say this is some kind of personal vendetta. I think you are taking a page out of tspacepilot's book to try to discredit my claims against you.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:23:45 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: FFrankie on January 27, 2017, 01:24:56 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 01:26:08 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

give some cut or will report you is intel gathering in your book?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:27:03 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

Killyou - read his trust ratings.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 01:27:54 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

escrowing self trades are not good in any way how can you trust someone who is saying our trade is secured by third party member while it is not true?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:31:33 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

give some cut or will report you is intel gathering in your book?

its legal in the EU - read before you comment further please - unless you are another QS alt just trying to add to the pool of sig campaign funds here??


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on January 27, 2017, 01:33:06 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

give some cut or will report you is intel gathering in your book?

its legal in the EU - read before you comment further please - unless you are another QS alt just trying to add to the pool of sig campaign funds here??

what is legal in the eu blackmailing or trying to hide blackmailing in the name of gathering intel?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: FFrankie on January 27, 2017, 01:39:56 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

Killyou - read his trust ratings.

I have, and I don't understand where he as actually scammed anyone, because he didn't. All he did was call out dooglus for saying he should kill himself, so dooglus left him negative trust, vod left him negative trust 3 times because of his self-escrowing, QS posted his allegled dox, and one because QS gave him negative trust. Lauda saying that QS is blackmailing I dont see it from the reference link quotted. So it seems to me most of the red trust on QS doesnt need to be there besides all of the ones about the self escrowing, but he didnt steal anything in those and he could have


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 01:46:09 AM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,

Killyou - read his trust ratings.

I have, and I don't understand where he as actually scammed anyone, because he didn't. All he did was call out dooglus for saying he should kill himself, so dooglus left him negative trust, vod left him negative trust 3 times because of his self-escrowing, QS posted his allegled dox, and one because QS gave him negative trust. Lauda saying that QS is blackmailing I dont see it from the reference link quotted. So it seems to me most of the red trust on QS doesnt need to be there besides all of the ones about the self escrowing, but he didnt steal anything in those and he could have

Kill you - please stop adding to your sig campaign funds. this has nothing to do with you.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 27, 2017, 01:52:58 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1181163.0


FYI- QS... is this evidence enough of illegal behavior - does this justify an investigation? I thought the whole point of a community was to look after our members.
Ahh, I see that $30,000 is now worth ~$114k, and you were hoping that your threats of reporting of tax evasion would allow you to get a cut of that.

I would not be surprised if you have evidence of him having more money than this, which would mean an even bigger pie that you were hoping to get a cut of.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on January 27, 2017, 05:47:08 AM
Was the investigation explained ?
So far i have heard super vague references.

What is it about ?

I smell entrapment to maybe prove a guy is willing to pay a bribe.

I sure did not think Lauda was capable of what he/she is accused of here before.
And i say he / she because you are all using both sexes referring to him/her.  :D
Is Lauda a female ?

Lauda where are you ? Your absence is a bit concerning.

You know for a forum stance i can't see how staff would bother doing anything with anyone
UNLESS the police contact theymos with a request.
After all don't they say scams etc are not moderated and you are all free to do what you want ?
Was that guy a coin dev ?
What would provoke a staff investigation into a user ?

Unless backed by a police request and authorized by theymos i can't see any good reason for meddling.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zeroxal on January 27, 2017, 06:16:47 AM
According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: FFrankie on January 27, 2017, 06:26:42 AM
According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.

Well, it looks pretty clear cut and dry you posted a thread asking a question that is obviously illegal and now you are trying to backpedal?


But I was under the impression that you did not have to pay taxes on bitcoins until you sold them, because as a buyer of bitcoins it is the sellers responsible to pay the taxes on the gains if any?



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on January 27, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
You mean under US law ? they may vary from country to country.
I reminded users of this issue in the Altcoin section about a week ago.
I posted two Coindesk stories mentioning the USA and Canada tax guidelines.
Point being is I think the two differ..

Consult with a professional ;)

http://www.coindesk.com/canada-revenue-agency-tax-rules-apply-bitcoin/
http://www.coindesk.com/irs-bitcoin-tax-guidelines-mean/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 27, 2017, 08:57:12 AM
According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.

Well, it looks pretty clear cut and dry you posted a thread asking a question that is obviously illegal and now you are trying to backpedal?


But I was under the impression that you did not have to pay taxes on bitcoins until you sold them, because as a buyer of bitcoins it is the sellers responsible to pay the taxes on the gains if any?



Why thank you,  We are EU based - US law does not apply, so please read up on EU based laws and statutes.

thanks


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on January 27, 2017, 08:38:24 PM
I knew I should have written a statement yesterday, but well, it was late. I know you all are busy so Ill try to keep this short.

#1 TMAN, as I said in PM I will reconsider your rating at the end of february (~1 month from now). Please remind me via PM.
#2 Lauda, I am may be willing to reconsider your rating further in the future.
#3 I left no rating to minifrij because the connection is not strong enough for it. The timing is odd and Im wary, but its not enough for a rating IMHO.

The reason I am willing to reconsider at all is that you both seem to think you have done something that is allowed (TMAN) or at least justified by its ends (Lauda).

I strongly disagree. Extortion is evil[1][2] and should be punished. If everyone else can let this slide, I cant. In regards to the Enland and Wales law, an extortion or blackmail is no proper means and the demand was money which has no reasonable grounds in this case. I think this was put into place to allow e.g. "blackmailing" someone into self-indictment with the threat of a report to police.

Im less lenient with Lauda because we discussed how the end does (or does not in my view) justifies the means for quite some time now and because I think my rating will have less impact on them due to their connections and past ratings.

[1] In a similar sense as is torture, a lesser one though. See e.g. the remarks by Terry Karney here -> http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002951.html
[2] QS also send me a well constructed argument as to why no information gained this way can be reliable. Maybe they are willing to repost this here for everyone to read.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: stereotype on January 27, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
According to that thread I have already said that all taxes will be paid, and have done it. My bitcoins come from a legal source and all taxes for them has been paid.
I have proven my wealth source (at least parts of it) to the following members:
Lauda, TMAN, Zepher and minifrij
It is impossible to evade taxes with the source of my bitcoins, the above members can confirm that.
So, do you have an opinion why Lauda et al, attempted what they did, OR, is the answer can-we-just-leave-it-there-thanks?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on January 28, 2017, 05:33:11 PM
The account of Lauda might have been sold recently

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Trust summary for Lauda

This user's email address was changed recently.

This user changed his/her password recently.
It's interesting he hasn't said a word about this or coming down from staff member.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: K~Ehleyr on January 28, 2017, 06:27:38 PM
The account of Lauda might have been sold recently

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Trust summary for Lauda

This user's email address was changed recently.

This user changed his/her password recently.
It's interesting he hasn't said a word about this or coming down from staff member.

Why would s/he when there's clearly still a lynch mob waiting?  Sometimes silence can be an indicator of guilt, but in this instance, given the circumstances, I think it's more an indicator of self-preservation, avoidance of the feasting on his/her bones that would inevitably follow any public comment Lauda made right now, and maybe a little bit of "you can all fuck the fuck off then".  I wouldn't be making a public statement right now either.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: The Pharmacist on January 28, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
there was no blackmail - have you read the PGP message? if you had you wouldn't be in here. this is an assault from QS a proven scammer against Lauda I happened to of been involved as I was the one who bought the suspicious activity to light.

no extortion was taking place - it was an intel gathering exercise that backfired.

that is of little consequence now as all the evidence is in Place - I am awaiting return contact from moderators to discuss

How is QS a scammer? Can you provide links to any scamming he as done? Because the last time I checked, I thought he only escrowed his own trades,
Hello?  You don't see anything wrong with that?  Do you want to pay for an escrow and have him be the counterparty on the trade you're doing?  That's the scam he pulled.  Escrow is an independent 3rd party, not the shit that QS pulled.  And that's what got him kicked off DT and got him all those negs.
Please stay on topic.
Edit:  Sorry, sorry, sorry. 


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on January 28, 2017, 07:11:10 PM
The account of Lauda might have been sold recently

No.


Please stay on topic.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 29, 2017, 12:02:18 AM
I strongly disagree. Extortion is evil[1][2] and should be punished.
[...]

[2] QS also send me a well constructed argument as to why no information gained this way can be reliable. Maybe they are willing to repost this here for everyone to read.
Quote from: qs
>Basics of extortion -
>In order to attempt to extort a victim, a criminal will need to at least claim
>to have information that the victim will not want to be released, (or  could
>threaten to do an act [that is usually illegal] that the victim does not want
>the criminal to do). The extortionist does not need to actually possess such
>information (or have the ability to do the threatened act).

>The criminal can threaten to release information that ranges from something
>very vague, something very specific that is untrue that the victim does not
>want released, something very specific that is true that the victim does not
>want released, something specific (true or untrue) that the victim does not
>care if it gets released, among other things.

>Theoretical success of extortion attempts -
>I would speculate that an extortion attempt that threatens to expose criminal
>activity would be the most effective. The logic behind this theory is that
>exposing criminal activity would likely have a very broad ranging effect on a
>person’s life; for example, serious criminal charges would likely affect a
>person financially as they would need to pay to mount a defense (and/or
>attempt a plea bargain), and potentially pay fines/court costs, would affect
>a person’s future ability to earn money as they may both lose their job as a
>result of even a criminal charge, and a criminal conviction may affect their
>ability to get a new job, would affect their relationships with
>friends/family, as these people may not want to associate with someone with
>a criminal past, and could obviously affect the victims freedom as they
>might be at risk of jail time.

>If you compare this to something like an extortionist telling a victim’s wife
>that the victim is having an affair, or telling the victim’s boss that the
>victim is drinking on the job, the scope of the potential damage is much
>more limited.

>Making good on an extortion threat -
>A criminal might threaten to release some information if some amount of money
>is not paid. Neither the information to be released nor the amount of money
>needs to be specific when making the extortion threat. The criminal may or
>may not communicate a specific deadline. If the victim has not paid a
>satisfactory extortion payment by the (stated or unstated) deadline, then
>the criminal may release the information they have on the victim, however
>if the criminal does this then the victim no longer has any incentive to pay.
>A criminal may get around this problem by releasing only a portion of the
>victim’s information. The classic example of this in pop culture is a
>criminal threatening to kill the victim’s wife if he does not disclose the
>location of the ‘treasure’ and when the victim does not initially give up
>this information, the criminal will seriously hurt (but not kill) the
>victim’s wife in order to give the victim additional time to change his mind.

>Paying an extortion payment -
>The fact that someone makes an extortion payment does not necessarily mean
>that the information claimed to be in possession of by the criminal is true.
>I had posted a couple of reasons why a victim may pay an extortion payment
>when untrue information is being threatened to be released. Another reason
>why someone may pay an extortion payment is that they are on parole, and a
>person’s parole office receiving a report of criminal activity by the victim
>may result in the victim going back to jail while this claim can be
>investigated. As a result of this,
...
>I would not consider the fact that
>someone paid an extortion payment an admission that the information used
>to extort the victim is true.


>Using extortion as an investigative tool -
>As discussed above, evidence of an extortion payment is not evidence of
>guilt. Furthermore, someone that an investigator believes is guilty, but
>needs the (invalid) evidence of a suspect making an extortion payment is
>still very innocent by any reasonable measure - this is not a situation
>where evidence of guilt has not yet been presented to a court (otherwise
>this evidence would not be necessary), this is a situation where the
>investigator is not in possession of conclusive evidence of guilt - as a
>result of this, if an investigator were to use extortion as an
>investigative tool, they would be potentially extorting an innocent person,
>which will violate the suspect’s due process rights. In conclusion, using
>extortion as an investigative tool will potentially yield flimsy evidence at
>best, and will potentially harm an innocent victim, while violating the
>victim’s due process rights along the way.

>Making a sworn encrypted statement confirming proceeds of extortion will
>not profit self -
>As discussed above, I believe threatening to release information about a
>person’s criminal activity is the most likely to result in an extortion
>payment being paid, and as a result of this, I would speculate that
>extortion threatening to expose criminal behavior is the most common form
>of extortion. If any random citizen could make a sworn statement that the
>proceeds of an extortion attempt would not result in a profit for the
>extortionist, then this would be a loophole in the law. Notaries do not
>retain copies of documents they notarize and almost always will not even
>look at the document they are notarizing beyond the fact that the person
>signing is in fact the person they are saying signed the document. A
>criminal make this sworn statement, attempt to extort several people who
>they think might be a criminal, then use that statement as a “get out of
>jail free card” when one of the extortionist’s victims go to the police.
>There is no mechanism in place to enforce this sworn statement, nor is there
>a mechanism in place to prevent the criminal from destroying the document
>containing the sworn statement if the extortion is successful (and at which
>point the victim is unlikely to complaint to the police). Additionally,
>there is no way for anyone to decrypt the encrypted message, so there would
>never be anyone looking for proof that the extortionist did not profit from
>the extortion attempt if it was successful. In conclusion, I see this kind
>of statement to be little more than something that the extortionist plans
>on using to protect themselves in the event that the extortion attempt is
>unsuccessful.

>Lauda’s self admission of trolling those that are vulnerable -
>There are chat logs
>(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1397579.msg16071901#msg16071901)
>that capture Lauda bragging about trolling those that he feels are vulnerable.
>Someone engaged in criminal activity that is “hidden” would likely be
>vulnerable by Lauda’s definition, and attempting to extort someone would
>fit this MO.

>What I think happened -
>I think that Lauda, et al., were speaking to zeroaxl on slack, telling him
>that they had evidence of criminal activity (zeroaxl told me that they
>claimed they had evidence that he hacked bitfinex, MtGox, ran ponzis, ran
>botnet(s), among other things). At one point in the conversation, zeroaxl is
>asked to admit to his criminal activity, which he declines to do, and Lauda,
>et al., reiterate the information they have against him, and tell him they
>are considering to contact the police about his criminal behavior. Lauda
>then sends zeroaxl an encrypted message asking for a “cut” of the proceeds
>of zeroaxl’s criminal proceeds. Lauda, et al., inform zeroaxl via slack of
>the potential consequences of his activity that include being unable to
>trade on bitcointalk and HackForums. minifrig (this is intentionally not
>Lauda) first opens a thread claiming that zeroaxl is evading a ban, and
>should get banned - this is used to install fear that zeroaxl will not be
>able to continue to trade on bitcointalk. zeroaxl reads Lauda’s message and
>opens a scam accusation against Lauda, but not before TMAN starts writing a
>new scam accusation against zeroaxl. TMAN finishes writing the scam
>accusation against zeroxal, and creates the thread not knowing about the
>scam accusation against Lauda. TMAN makes additional posts claiming to have
>zeroxal’s dox, and claiming to have even more damaging information than
>mentioned in Lauda’s original message - this is to install additional fear
>about the potential consequences of the police being contacted. (note that
>TMAN explicately did not release zeroaxl’s dox, preventing anyone else from
>potentially contacting the police about this “criminal activity”). An
>unknown party opens a negative thread about zeroaxl on hackforums (zeroaxl
>claimed that a thread was opened about him in HF but that he had a good
>enough reputation there for that not to matter). Lauda, minifrig and TMAN
>(probably among others) were conspiring to try to get zeroaxl to pay an
>extortion payment. 

>I believe that the fact that TMAN made a thread summarizing evidence against
>zeroaxl and made many posts claiming to have his dox at around the same time
>lauda made the extortion demand is sufficiently clear evidence that TMAN was
>conspiring with Lauda to attempt to extort zeroaxl. This is further supported
>by the fact that all three threads were edited to a blank OP, and locked at
>almost the same time, and that all three threads were moved to archival (and
>well out of sight) at almost the exact same time. The timing of minfrig’s
>thread also makes it appear that he was part of the conspiracy, although
>the lack of claiming to have explicit negative information about zeroaxl
>weakens this link.

>I acknowledge that the link for TMAN and minfrig is not rock solid, however
>it is very unusual for someone who has not actively scammed someone, and who
>has not recently made a mistake in exposing himself in some way to have
>multiple threads (plus an extortion attempt) made about him in the span of a
>few hours. The only times that I have seen multiple threads being opened at
>the same time in that short of a timespan is when someone has very recently
>scammed multiple people or when someone has given out many inaccurate
>negative trust ratings - at least thinking back to the last 18 months or so.


Regarding minifrij's involvement:
Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17604583#msg17604583) minifrij confirms that he did as he was asked (in reference to deleting his first thread). Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17598908#msg17598908) minifrij says that he was aware of the evidence that was used as part of the extortion. It doesn’t look like he admitted to knowing about the extortion at the time he made the first thread, but I get the impression that he did (to give him the benefit of the doubt, we can say that he did not). According to this (https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=138940) minifrij has not created any threads reporting someone to be evading a ban in the past.

To summarize the above:
-The first time minifrij ever opened a thread about someone evading a ban was to report zeroaxl evading a ban
-Lauda/TMAN/others attempted to extort zeroaxl
-Both zeroaxl and TMAN open threads accusing each other of scamming
-zeroaxl asks that all threads be taken down so that he can “negotiate” with Lauda/TMAN
-minifrij removes his thread
-minifrij reopens his thread

If some of the specifics of the facts are changed, but the principal remains the same, then it would read as follows:
-Corrupt FBI agent A asks citizen X for money, or else he will bring up bogus charges against citizen X’s daughter
-FBI agent A opens a grand jury investigation on citizen X’s daughter, starts to present bogus evidence against her and makes citizen X aware of this
-FBI agent B pulls over citizen X’s daughter for speeding, who also does not have a driver’s license on her
-FBI agents A and B are peers, and neither has any authority over the other
-FBI agent B does not normally pull people over for speeding
-citizen X, being aware of both the bogus grand jury investigation and the pending arrest of his daughter for driving without a license, asks FBI agent A to stop everything regarding his daughter so he can “negotiate”
-FBI agent B, at FBI agent A’s request, lets citizen X’s daughter go without a ticket
-two days later, FBI agent B arrests citizen X’s daughter for driving without a license when he originally pulled her over (she was not driving at the time of the arrest)
-What is FBI agent B’s involvement?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on January 29, 2017, 02:39:02 AM
Quote from: qs
According to this (https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=138940) minifrij has not created any threads reporting someone to be evading a ban in the past.
While this is the case, it can be seen from my post history that I understand and (at least try to) enforce the forum rules and that I do not particularly like those that evade bans. It is more of a case that I didn't previously have the evidence for getting someone banned prior to someone else posting it.

Quote from: qs
If some of the specifics of the facts are changed, but the principal remains the same, then it would read as follows:
-Corrupt FBI agent A asks citizen X for money, or else he will bring up bogus charges against citizen X’s daughter [1]
-FBI agent A opens a grand jury investigation on citizen X’s daughter, starts to present bogus evidence against her and makes citizen X aware of this
-FBI agent B pulls over citizen X’s daughter for speeding, who also does not have a driver’s license on her
-FBI agents A and B are peers, and neither has any authority over the other
-FBI agent B does not normally pull people over for speeding [2]
-citizen X, being aware of both the bogus grand jury investigation and the pending arrest of his daughter for driving without a license, asks FBI agent A to stop everything regarding his daughter so he can “negotiate”
-FBI agent B, at FBI agent A’s request, lets citizen X’s daughter go without a ticket [3]
-two days later, FBI agent B arrests citizen X’s daughter for driving without a license when he originally pulled her over (she was not driving at the time of the arrest) [4]
-What is FBI agent B’s involvement?
This also doesn't properly depict the situation.

[1] - The evidence that I brought up in my thread is absolutely factual, to which Zeroxal will (and has previously) agreed. By the fact that theymos has publicly said that any past rule-breaking has been cleared, it can be assumed that he also agrees (I'm not talking about any evidence brought up by anyone else as I haven't personally verified it).
[2] - This would make more sense if it were 'FBI agent B has always been against those who speed, however has never seen a case himself prior to another officer handling it'.
[3] - I didn't, and never have, said to Zeroxal or anyone else that I would let him go without approval of an admin. I have always been clear that I was going to pursue the case regardless of any other outcome, which I did.
[4] - This implies that Zeroxal wasn't ban evading when I reposted the thread, which is false. He was ban evading and there was no public evidence of an admin forgiving it, therefore the allegations were still legitimate.


Title: Re: Lauda / TMAN / minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 29, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
I haven't finished reading this thread, but for "the record" this is the neutral trust I left for Lauda u=101872

Quote
Lauda / LaudaM asked me for any information I might have concerning Zeroxal - S/he failed to mention they were then going to use that information in a "sting" to extort money from Zeroxal instead of taking action on Zeroxal's ban evasion via their alts josef2000 / josef.2000 who are banned. http://archive.is/0SxTB

Now then; any questions?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: erikalui on January 29, 2017, 11:23:15 AM
^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum? You don't find it wrong to try to extort money from another user (may it be for a good intention or not)?


Even Shorena leaves a negative trust on Lauda's and TMAN's accounts as extortion is not some thing that should be ignored. It should atleast make the person feel that they have made a mistake/failed attempt of an extortion. Though I know their intention was not to actually extort money but still an attempt was made.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 29, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: qs
According to this (https://bitcointalk.org/gettopics.php?user=138940) minifrij has not created any threads reporting someone to be evading a ban in the past.
While this is the case, it can be seen from my post history that I understand and (at least try to) enforce the forum rules and that I do not particularly like those that evade bans. It is more of a case that I didn't previously have the evidence for getting someone banned prior to someone else posting it.

Quote from: qs
If some of the specifics of the facts are changed, but the principal remains the same, then it would read as follows:
[...]-FBI agent B does not normally pull people over for speeding [2]
[...]
-What is FBI agent B’s involvement?
This also doesn't properly depict the situation.

[...]
[2] - This would make more sense if it were 'FBI agent B has always been against those who speed, however has never seen a case himself prior to another officer handling it'.
[...]
While I did not think you have been especially vocal about those who evade bans and break forum rules in the past, I was not sure of just how vocal you have been above those who were evading bans and breaking rules. So I decided to gather some statistics about the last ~3 months of your posting history.

Ending as of when you made your first thread about zeroaxl and starting on the last day of October 2015, you have made 149 posts, of which, 79 have been in Meta. Your posts in Meta can be broken down as follows:

  • 16 Defending Lauda
  • 11 Trust System
  • 3 Activity
  • 4 Signature Campaigns
  • 3 Rule Breaker
  • 2 Centralization of Forum
  • 5 Clarification of rules
  • 1 Units of Evil System
  • 2 Broad Discussion of the Forum
  • 2 May 2015 Hack
  • 1 New Sub
  • 2 Banned Rank
  • 1 Timing of New Forum Software
  • 2 Number of accounts some people have
  • 2 Locking Threads/Deleting Posts
  • 2 Account Recovery
  • 4 Troubleshooting
  • 2 Self-Admitted Off Topic Post
  • 1 Avatar
  • 2 Ranks (existing)
  • 1 Revealing Email to Mods When Reporting a Post
  • 2 New Global Mod
  • 1 Number of Reports
  • 1 Stake New Bitcoin Address
  • 1 Time Spent on Forum
  • 3 Spam Bots

I also checked all the threads in Meta whose last post was on or after October 31, 2016. Out of 382 threads, there are 31 threads that involve a ban appeal and/or a ban request and/or a specific ban. Of those 31 threads, you posted in 5 of them. Your posts in these 5 threads can be broken down as follows (ignoring all posts you made after you created your first zeroaxl thread):
  • Girlbtc.com related threads - 3
  • Did not discuss the ban - 1
  • Did not support the ban request - 1

With as many posts as you are making defending/supporting Lauda (20 in the last 3 months in Meta, 24 in Meta/Reputation), it is easy to understand why you were creating a thread that would have helped Lauda's extortion attempt.

In conclusion, I see very little evidence that you have been strongly against those who evade bans, and only a small amount of evidence that you are against those who break the forum rules. Over the last 3 months, the only person you really tried to get for ban evasion was girlbtc.com. If you were to ask me, I would say that the evidence does not support that you are strongly against those who evade their bans.



Showing my work
Page breakdown on topics you discussed in the relevant timeframe. You made one post while I was looking at page 5 of your post history, and deducted one post from page 6 which I also looked at on page 5 to avoid counting the same post twice. Each post is only given one topic.
Code:
Page 2 - 10 posts - 5 in meta - 3 Defending Lauda, 1 trust system, 1 activity,

Page 3 - 20 posts - 11 in meta - 2 discussing signature campaigns, 5 discussing trust system, 1 discussing activity, 2 defending Lauda, 1 rule breaker,

Page 4 - 20 posts - 10 in meta - 2 centralization of forum, 1 helping comply with rules, 1 units of evil system, 1 trust system, 5 Defending Lauda,

Page 5 - 20 posts - 14 in meta - 1 broad discussion of forum, 1 May 2015 hack, 1 new sub, 1 banned rank, 1 timing of new software, 2 number of accounts some people have, 1 rule breakers, 2 defending Lauda, 1 forum rules, 1 locking threads/deleting posts

Page 6 - 19 posts - 7 in meta - 1 locking threads/deleting posts, 1 account recovery, 2 troubleshooting, 1 broad discussion of forum, 1 clarification on rules, 1 self-admitted off topic

page 7 - 20 posts - 8 in meta - 3 defending Lauda, 1 signature campaigns, 1 activity, 1 avatar, 1 ranks, 1 trust system,

Page 8 - 20 posts - 13 in meta - 2 trust system, 1 defending Lauda, 1 banned ranking, 1 troubleshooting, 1 revealing email when reporting post, 1 clarification of rules, 2 new global mod, 1 number of reports, 1 stake new address, 1 recover account, 1 trust system,

Page 9 - 20 posts - 11 in meta - 1 May 2015 Hack, 1 self-admitted off topic, 1 time spent on forum, 3 spam bots, 1 signature campaigns, 2 clarification on rules, 1 ranks, 1 troubleshooting

Breakdown of threads in Meta discussing a specific ban:
Code:
Page 1 - 35 threads - 5 ban discussions

Page 2 - 39 threads - 5 ban discussions

Page 3 - 40 threads - 4 ban discussions

Page 4 - 39 threads - 3 ban discussion

Page 5 - 38 threads - 2 ban discussion

Page 6 - 36 threads - 1 ban discussion

page 7 - 38 threads - 1 ban discussion

Page 8 - 39 threads - 4 ban discussions

Page 9 - 38 threads - 0 ban discussions

Page 10 - 40 threads - 1 ban discussion

List of threads discussing a specific ban. Those with an "*" are those that you posted in
Code:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1763271.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762942.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1762676.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759436.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1718579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1050321.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728278.0 * - girlbtc.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1751687.0 * - was not supporting a ban
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728077.0;all * - girlbtc.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1741502.0 * - did not discuss the ban
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1745087.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1743391.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1729986.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728988.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1723803.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1722830.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1726362.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1706976.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1695319.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1685003.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1685033.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668304.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1692391.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1665898.0 * - girlbtc.com


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: chixka000 on January 29, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
Lol i am missing a lot of things here. And wait lauda is now out in moderating , I will be watching anyways


edit: I didn't expect that shorena would be doing some actions regarding with this


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Gunthar on January 29, 2017, 11:52:18 PM
^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum? You don't find it wrong to try to extort money from another user (may it be for a good intention or not)?


Even Shorena leaves a negative trust on Lauda's and TMAN's accounts as extortion is not some thing that should be ignored. It should atleast make the person feel that they have made a mistake/failed attempt of an extortion. Though I know their intention was not to actually extort money but still an attempt was made.
I have a question here and anyone wanting to clarify this would be much appreciated. I have read this entire matter over and over before to take a clear stance. To my opinion, Lauda was and is someone with a good level of contribution to this forum, but it is my opinion.

There are a few questionable points, and there are some that are not (again IMO):
1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it? It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail? Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)

I know, though, there are some countries sting operations are not legal, not allowed. Reading from Wikipedia Sweden should be one of them.

The only exception a sting operation would become a crime is the case the "victim" would not have committed any crime without being solicited: I am not a drug dealer, but if you offer me 10M dollars I might become...

I am open to any discussion about this point, and I'm not trying to defend Lauda at any cost. Also: I'm putting all my efforts to ignore the fact that out of the latest ten threads open in the last week on this matter, ten were open by Qs (feel free to correct me if these stats are wrong). I'd just appreciate a transparent, fair and honest discussion over this point, without personal grunges.

Shorena is the one that apparently took a stance on this so, an answer from him would be an appreciated priority: "Part of a failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer."
What is exactly in your opinion a "failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer":
1.- An extortion
2.- An attempt to spot a possible scammer

I am confused by this rating because people like me rely on you DT members to ponder about our stance on many matters on this forum: if you think it was an extortion in the attempt to gather money from Zeroxal, please provide me evidence of this and I will change my rating on Lauda too. If it was an attempt to spot a possible scammer, why you consider that a neg rep worth?

As I said there are some other not questionable points on the matter which have been handled by whom it concerned IMO:
1.- Any sting operation made by a Staff/Moderator with/without forum admins permissions (guess it was solved internally with Theymos)
2.- Gathering information from users (points at Timelord) without explaining the use they would have done with these information (guess Timelord's rating solved the issue)

Thanks!
~Gun



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on January 30, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
While I did not think you have been especially vocal about those who evade bans and break forum rules in the past, I was not sure of just how vocal you have been above those who were evading bans and breaking rules. So I decided to gather some statistics about the last ~3 months of your posting history.
...
While I can appreciate the effort it must have taken to gather this information, I don't believe it best represents my opinions on either of those matters.

To begin, I would say that analyzing a 3 month period is a fairly small sample for someone who has been involved with issues regarding the forum from about September 2015. While I don't expect you to go that far back, it is something to keep in mind.

In addition, a few of the sections in the break down can be bundled together and perhaps be combined to create one section about general information regarding the rules of the forum. Things such as 'Rule Breakers', 'Clarification of rules' and 'Locking threads/deleting posts' could be put into this section.

Also, despite what I said, my post history shouldn't be made to make a definite conclusion on how involved I am with understanding and enforcing the rules. I expect that my report statistics, while not fantastic, can help back this up: "You have reported 463 posts with 97% accuracy"

Regarding my previous involvement with Ban Evasion, I do not understand how the amount of posts made in threads relating to bans give any sort of conclusive evidence. I believe my post on a thread by girlbtc gives an idea of my feelings towards ban evaders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728278.msg17296034#msg17296034), that they should 'follow the rules of (their) ban and stay away'. There is little for me to do once a report has been made other than to wait for a moderator/admin to take care of it; posting "yeah you should be banned" or some variant in every thread would be spamming.



With as many posts as you are making defending/supporting Lauda (20 in the last 3 months in Meta, 24 in Meta/Reputation), it is easy to understand why you were creating a thread that would have helped Lauda's extortion attempt.
If things such as this are being taken into account, then I don't believe you are the best person to be making the judgement as to whether or not I am involved. Considering your (very vocal) dislike for Lauda there is a clear conflict of interest between the two of us. I believe a statement made by a third party (such as the one by Shorena) would be best suited to give a conclusion on my involvement.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on January 30, 2017, 08:48:35 AM
-snip-

Even if you could show that its the first time they ever cared about the forum or ban evaders, it still could be explained by happenstance and Im not going to neg rep them for it.



^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum?

Not in terms of trust not. Its for mods/admins to decide how to handle this. I actually know at least one user that came back after a perma ban and did solid contributions to the forum. AFAICT it was at least known to one global mod. I dont want to derail this any further as I currently have little time to keep up with all PMs and read up on the needed threads. All Im saying is: it wouldnt be the first time that admins are lenient with someone perma-banned in the past. It all depends how they behave I guess.



I have a question here and anyone wanting to clarify this would be much appreciated. I have read this entire matter over and over before to take a clear stance. To my opinion, Lauda was and is someone with a good level of contribution to this forum, but it is my opinion.

I agree.

There are a few questionable points, and there are some that are not (again IMO):
1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

I dont see a difference between the two, in terms of wrongness. Esp. considering extortion and 'gathering information'. See the lengthy post by QS above as to why the information gained is unlikely to be reliable.

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it?

Its illegal in germany and it can even lead to lower sentence for the criminal. Police may try to convince someone to do a crime though under certain circumstances.

It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail?

I dont think of Lauda nor TMAN as criminals, but they still did something wrong. In fact its a level of wrong that deserves a punishment, hence the rating. Based on the good intention Im willing to change it to neutral after some time has passed. Without me knowing Lauda good enough to understand why they did it there would be little discussion at all, as anyone else in their situation could use their 'get out of jail'-pgp message or not if successful.

Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)

I know, though, there are some countries sting operations are not legal, not allowed. Reading from Wikipedia Sweden should be one of them.

The only exception a sting operation would become a crime is the case the "victim" would not have committed any crime without being solicited: I am not a drug dealer, but if you offer me 10M dollars I might become...

I am open to any discussion about this point, and I'm not trying to defend Lauda at any cost. Also: I'm putting all my efforts to ignore the fact that out of the latest ten threads open in the last week on this matter, ten were open by Qs (feel free to correct me if these stats are wrong). I'd just appreciate a transparent, fair and honest discussion over this point, without personal grunges.

Shorena is the one that apparently took a stance on this so, an answer from him would be an appreciated priority: "Part of a failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer."
What is exactly in your opinion a "failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer":
1.- An extortion
2.- An attempt to spot a possible scammer

I am confused by this rating because people like me rely on you DT members to ponder about our stance on many matters on this forum: if you think it was an extortion in the attempt to gather money from Zeroxal, please provide me evidence of this and I will change my rating on Lauda too. If it was an attempt to spot a possible scammer, why you consider that a neg rep worth?

I dont think Lauda wanted money, no. It was still an extortion though. I could probably improve the wording of the rating, but I also dont want to change it to keep track of the time. If you are unsure about a DT rating, follow the reference and see if it makes sense to you. These lead here and its the thread I will discuss this in, for exactly that reason.

Whether or not zeroxal is a scammer is yet to be seen, I have not seen any convincing evidence yet. They did run a ponzi, yes, but they also used escrow and covered all loses. My stance vs. ponzis is probably well known, but I think its a stretch to leave a neg for this. All the 'hacker' accusations to me sounds like a teenager, beeing a teenager. DDoS your own school, sure thats illegal, but Im not going to make a big fuss about it. Similar to the tax evasion, thats nothing I condone, but I also have no way to tell whether its actually true or whether they are just asking a hypothetical question. We probably get one thread a month about how to use bitcoin to evade paying taxes in germany. Most just mock the questioner. Whenever I ask for more convincing evidence I get no answers, so unless this changes I cant leave a neg for zeroxal. From what I read, zeroxal showed proof to several people that they didnt evade taxes and their dox is known to the same people. If they had anything solid, they could just contact police.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: erikalui on January 30, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it? It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail? Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)


For your reference:

For our purposes, a sting operation is defined as any effort by the authorities to encourage wrongdoing, with the intention of punishing the offenses that result. Normally a sting operation is carried out by agents acting undercover, that is, concealing the fact that they work for the authorities. An agent might be a full-time police officer disguised as a private citizen.

http://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3652&context=mlr

Extortion definition: http://prntscr.com/e2599b

Both are different attempts where the former one is to catch the person red-handed, the later is to try to extract information while the person is aware of it.

Zeroxal was aware of what he was being asked and hence it's an extortion attempt and as TMAN earlier said, it was a failed one. I don't know if the user being accused of the crimes was actually a criminal. I do respect Lauda as he is a reputed user and don't accuse him of extracting money or anything but it was extracting information or trying to get Zeroxal to admit instead.


@Shorena: Thanks for the explanation on permaban.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on January 31, 2017, 01:21:52 AM
Extortion definition: http://prntscr.com/e2599b

Isn't the OP himself guilty of extortion then?

He tried to get several DT members to offer services (change their trust level on me) and made threats to coerce them to do so.

This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 31, 2017, 04:19:08 AM
While I did not think you have been especially vocal about those who evade bans and break forum rules in the past, I was not sure of just how vocal you have been above those who were evading bans and breaking rules. So I decided to gather some statistics about the last ~3 months of your posting history.
...
While I can appreciate the effort it must have taken to gather this information, I don't believe it best represents my opinions on either of those matters.

To begin, I would say that analyzing a 3 month period is a fairly small sample for someone who has been involved with issues regarding the forum from about September 2015. While I don't expect you to go that far back, it is something to keep in mind.

In addition, a few of the sections in the break down can be bundled together and perhaps be combined to create one section about general information regarding the rules of the forum. Things such as 'Rule Breakers', 'Clarification of rules' and 'Locking threads/deleting posts' could be put into this section.

Also, despite what I said, my post history shouldn't be made to make a definite conclusion on how involved I am with understanding and enforcing the rules. I expect that my report statistics, while not fantastic, can help back this up: "You have reported 463 posts with 97% accuracy"

Regarding my previous involvement with Ban Evasion, I do not understand how the amount of posts made in threads relating to bans give any sort of conclusive evidence. I believe my post on a thread by girlbtc gives an idea of my feelings towards ban evaders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728278.msg17296034#msg17296034), that they should 'follow the rules of (their) ban and stay away'. There is little for me to do once a report has been made other than to wait for a moderator/admin to take care of it; posting "yeah you should be banned" or some variant in every thread would be spamming.
If you want to put together an analysis with a longer scope to capture more posts, then I will look at those results after you post them, and if my mind is changed I will remove your name from this thread. Or, if you want to present other measurable evidence of your stance on enforcement of bans and/or enforcement of forum rules (with a heaver emphasis on the former), that convinces me of your reasonable innocence, then I will remove your name from this thread.

I would also be willing to review the unabridged IRC logs from when it was agreed upon to extort zeroaxl up until when your second thread about zeroaxl was created, that can be authenticated by someone who I believe in this case to be telling the truth (if the only people that can confirm it's authenticity are those who have admitted to being involved, then I will by default not trust that it has not been doctored). If I believe it is reasonable that you were not involved after reviewing the IRC logs, then I will remove your name from this thread.




With as many posts as you are making defending/supporting Lauda (20 in the last 3 months in Meta, 24 in Meta/Reputation), it is easy to understand why you were creating a thread that would have helped Lauda's extortion attempt.
If things such as this are being taken into account, then I don't believe you are the best person to be making the judgement as to whether or not I am involved. Considering your (very vocal) dislike for Lauda there is a clear conflict of interest between the two of us. I believe a statement made by a third party (such as the one by Shorena) would be best suited to give a conclusion on my involvement.
Including your name here, if anything, weakens my case against Lauda/TMAN. I am a critic of Lauda because of how I have observed him act towards others, and because of his ethical principals (eg lack of ethics), not for anything personal. Additionally, while reviewing your post history, I noticed that you were responding to Shorena multiple times of Shorena being critical of Lauda, so you could say that same thing about Shorena.

Shorena has essentially said that he more or less wants a confession to believe that you are involved, which is not something I agree with. I think the available facts allow a reasonable person to reasonably conclude your involvement, even when giving you the maximum benefit of the doubt. I took the time to attempt to prove myself wrong (after I had considered what I believed to be reasonable explanations prior to naming you).


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on February 01, 2017, 11:21:37 AM
-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: BlockEye on February 01, 2017, 03:55:28 PM
-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 01, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.
Bullshit. There was no intention to "gather evidence". This was not the first time that Lauda has tried to extort someone. All that the "witnesses" did was participate in a conspiracy to extort zeroaxl.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on February 01, 2017, 05:02:12 PM
-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: stereotype on February 01, 2017, 05:56:42 PM
What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions.
At best, compromised. First by Lauda, then possibly Theymos.

Just wondering how that conversation goes, between Theymos and the BCT board/committee members......
"Guys, in keeping with our ability to allow and facilitate wide ranging ways to scam and defraud our many users, my mods have been busy creating a new feature. Its a bit like vigilantism, and blackmail, but without all that wishy-washy knowledge, experience, and integrity bullshit, getting in the way.                                            Guys?"


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on February 02, 2017, 05:25:55 AM
I would not care what VOD thinks ..he has proven countless times to be a liar and REALLY childish.
I was just commenting after him as he negged some guy for posting a Keylogger in off-topic with source code.. a couple days ago.

Way back.. I had him following me around for ages Trolling on me with personal attacks in the Altcoin section way back.
And coincidentally either before after Lauda posted too.. with him in tandem backing him up.
Then there is the matter of his negative rating bullshit he pulled on me.
Triggered best i can tell by a joke about people from Alberta.
I think he's an idiot and a MASSIVE hypocrite himself.. he evades the rules when ever it suits him then parades around lecturing people handing out mass neg's to anything not bolted down.

More importantly is the shit i brought up.
Where is Lauda ? No comment here ? WTF ?
What was the extortion attempt details.
Was Lauda fired or not ?

Those for example were asked by me and others and we were all ignored as cocky know it all's here who think they are hot shit on DT banter back & forth arguing over the definition of words.

By all means lets' loiter around casting judgment and re-interpreting the meaning of English words but can we get the damn story put on the table first so we know what we are even talking about ?

Those that know are coming here and reading this then deliberately staying tight lipped as a few of you rail on bickering about the definition of extortion etc.
..or railing on whining that Quickseller is guilty of things.
And frankly i couldn't care less.. unless his past wrong doing *alleged was linked to an agenda of his to post this topic.
And i do not see that.
I see finger pointing that amounts to a diversion.
While the REAL TOPIC is buried.

I prob won't even check this again..
I can see the people who could post worth while comments on it are being silent.
I can't think of any way to force them to speak up so.. coming back to this is a waste if my time.
Why should i come back here ? To hear about VOD's opinion on a hypothetical situation ?
Gimme a break the guy is fucking retarded and out of control around here.

Most of you commenting seem to have a good head on your shoulders and seem balanced with judgement.
But i sure as hell don't think VOD falls into that category.

What does VOD think ? Who gives a shit !


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on February 02, 2017, 05:46:31 AM
Was Lauda fired or not ?
To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Blazed still has Lauda within his trust list, and this makes Blazed look like he thinks a self-admitted extortionist should be trusted by everyone. In my book, this means Blazed is not quite as trustworthy as he presents himself to be.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: stereotype on February 02, 2017, 07:22:15 AM
Was Lauda fired or not ?
To me, it is obvious he was fired.
Nope. Blackmail, extortion, and mob rule, lives on....... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dyatrev on February 02, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
those guys some kind of gang which stay at dt and using this for blackmailing users and i think they are sharing profit from those blackmails till they got caught and they are backing each other after getting caught fucking shits


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on February 03, 2017, 07:53:06 AM
-snip-
More importantly is the shit i brought up.
Where is Lauda ? No comment here ? WTF ?

We talked via PM and they told me why they dont post here. I would act differently, but its their decision.

What was the extortion attempt details.
Was Lauda fired or not ?

I dont know, but I think so.

By all means lets' loiter around casting judgment and re-interpreting the meaning of English words but can we get the damn story put on the table first so we know what we are even talking about ?

Those that know are coming here and reading this then deliberately staying tight lipped as a few of you rail on bickering about the definition of extortion etc.

I think the archives posted by QS in the OP are quite clear, dont you?

What does VOD think ? Who gives a shit !

I do. Whatever you think of Vod, they are part of the DT network and have been as long as I can remember. Vods ratings are not going to disappear anytime soon.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: StarofBTC on February 04, 2017, 08:10:44 AM
those guys some kind of gang which stay at dt and using this for blackmailing users and i think they are sharing profit from those blackmails till they got caught and they are backing each other after getting caught fucking shits
I don't know if everything said here is correct or not. but you can't blame or can't say that there is a proper DT gang doing all these blackmailing.
do you have any other reference of proof where they attempt to blackmail others?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on February 04, 2017, 07:12:01 PM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

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Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on February 05, 2017, 06:15:04 AM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: stereotype on February 05, 2017, 08:12:37 AM
-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"
Were these questions rhetorical, and/or have you managed to answer them yourself?



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on February 06, 2017, 05:59:50 AM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.
Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on February 06, 2017, 12:51:21 PM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.
Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror...  ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: feinter on February 07, 2017, 03:22:03 AM
Interesting discussion.. for sure nothing will happen.. but..

I have few ideas, but in my opinion, problem for gentlemens involved in this "investigation" action can start when "sad gentelmens" will accuse them for organized criminal group that want extort money.

I think that this investigation can lasted much longer ...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on February 07, 2017, 04:38:14 AM
Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I have blocked Quickseller from sending me messages.  You are included in that list.  

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme

So I don't reply and I'm trying to cover something up?  Nice jump... I guess we can see how you deduce your findings...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Huge Black Woman on February 07, 2017, 04:42:54 AM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.
Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror...  ::)
Tha question thet keeps me tossin' an' turnin' at night is whetha' Quickseller's ambition is ta one day be on all 3 sides of an escrowed deal.  Stranga' thangs in life have happent. 

Imma incorrectly para-phrase mah recently diseased brotha Rodney King.  Cain't we all jist git along up in here?  Y'all is like a buncha kinna-gardners tryin' ta rip each otha's hair off.  Sommebody gon' lose an eyebrow if'n this keep up.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on February 07, 2017, 04:48:39 AM
If you can give me verifiable information that proves involvement beyond Lauda/TMAN then I can possibly pay a bounty.

Unless you are willing to put that coin into a real (non-QS-alt) escrow, I doubt anyone will take you seriously.  I don't.
Sent Vod a PM asking if he will act as escrow for my bounty. I received no response.

I suspect that Vod is trying to deter members from providing information confirming who is involved in this extortion scheme, and preventing justice from being served. I am willing to change my mind if new facts come to light.

If you wish, I am willing to pre-fund any bounty payment into escrow to the escrow provider of the informant's choice, provided that the escrow is sufficiently trusted by myself. Information should primarily be given with the intent of bringing appropriate justice, and doing what is right!

You could always ask quickseller to be to escrow...

Just look in the mirror...  ::)
Tha question thet keeps me tossin' an' turnin' at night is whetha' Quickseller's ambition is ta one day be on all 3 sides of an escrowed deal.  Stranga' thangs in life have happent. 

Imma incorrectly para-phrase mah recently diseased brotha Rodney King.  Cain't we all jist git along up in here?  Y'all is like a buncha kinna-gardners tryin' ta rip each otha's hair off.  Sommebody gon' lose an eyebrow if'n this keep up.
Hi Huge Black Woman, I like what your going at here but we can't all get along if the police is beating up on us and then all four getting sentenced as non-guilty. In most cases, once you give away the little thing that is trust you will regret it, trust is a mother fucker.

Most homies are just phonies.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: feinter on February 07, 2017, 04:54:39 AM
Is it personal war, or what?

Someone is missing topic of this thread...

Edit: and option that it can be organised criminal group..


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on February 07, 2017, 08:32:08 AM
-snip-

I know you didnt explicitly say you would, but I still would have expected you to honor my request.



-snip-
This is just another example of Quickseller being a hypocrite - do as I say, not as I do.   :-\

Please stay on topic. Id very much like to know what you think of Laudas actions though.

We all know that extertion is a crime sir. But IMHO we all know that he don't need money and just do that for purpose of gathering evidence, that's why he decided to get some witness before starting that plan. The only mistakes he committed was, he used the wrong way of gathering information, And i think it deserves a punishment because it is obviously a crime no matter how good the purpose is. But a negative trust is too much for his act, just saying sir. He is still a trustful person for me.

Dont take this personally, but I was asking Vod directly.[1] I am also interested in other opinions from DT.

To your point though, where would you draw the line? When do you start questioning whether the user you considered trustworthy in the past might have changed to a degree where you can no longer trust them? I dont think Lauda recently turned from a good person to an evil one.[2] Whether or not I would still trust Lauda with an significant amount of coins, I dont know, but this is true for most people here. I try to avoid having to trust others. What I am certain of is that to me an extortion (or more correct blackmail) should not be considered acceptable here or anywhere else no matter the circumstances. Due to my position on the default trust network I can raise awareness and hand out a punishment with a negative rating and I do.

What I also dont know is, how I should see the inaction of others in similar positions. Do they not care? Are they fine with it? in general? just in this case? why (not)? Should I see the rating[3] by Vod as an endorsement for extortion or is just Lauda exempt (this time only)?

[1] ... and made them aware via PM.
[2] In fact I dont think people are either good or bad, they are always on a scale somewhere in between.
[3] "Moderates forum with a level head. One of the few remaining assets to this forum!"
Were these questions rhetorical, and/or have you managed to answer them yourself?

No and no. I have an answer from Vod.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Spoetnik on February 07, 2017, 05:42:18 PM
Was Lauda fired or not ?
To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Blazed still has Lauda within his trust list, and this makes Blazed look like he thinks a self-admitted extortionist should be trusted by everyone. In my book, this means Blazed is not quite as trustworthy as he presents himself to be.

@shorena
That was highly evasive.

And what i said about VOD is bad and you played off like it was no big deal.
It's not just the crap he's pulled on me ..there has been many complaints about him before.
And all i have seen for years is "the club" protecting him and turning a blind eye to the shit he pulls
..over & over.

Any guesses why i have 0 respect for the DT list of idiots ?
I couldn't care less about any of them or their opinions or their faggy little ratings.

What it amounts to is forming little groups of circle jerking bum buddy eFriends here.
That will fast track you to the DT list and get you made staff.
Which to me is a sign of insecure, childishness and ineptitude.
All these guys who think they are better than noob accounts have a massive chip on their shoulder.
And think their shit don't stink and they are a model of perfect behavior.

Bullshit.

ALL OF THEM simply break the rules when ever and how ever they want freely.
And their buddies help them cover it up.

The regular people i deal with do not need to be PM'd all the time.
We are smart enough to know what the other is thinking at ALL TIMES.

Shorena i lost any respect i might have had for you.. it's gone.
VOD did what i said.. that is a fucking fact !
And you shouldn't have even needed me too say what i did earlier either.
the signs should have been obvious long ago.. which shows me you are either deceitful or dumb or both.

Assholes covering for other assholes..
While making sure to punish any new guys who show up doing the same thing.. with neg's.
The Bitcointalk Back Room Boys club can fucking blow me hard.
Your opinions are fucking dog shit /.

And THAT is based on YOUR ACTIONS people.

..not "opinion"

I'd value the opinion of a 0 post noob account more than you DT idiots.
Did i mention Kluge ?
Yup his bum-buddies here smooth over his trolling death threats on me before.
Because apparently "i deserved it"

Which *IS* the key problem here.

DT faggots thinking their bad behavior is always justified.
Yet not when it's a noob account showing up you just negged.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on February 07, 2017, 09:46:31 PM
You sure have a lot of enemies Spoetnik...   :-\


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on February 09, 2017, 10:08:03 PM
Was Lauda fired or not ?
To me, it is obvious he was fired.

Blazed still has Lauda within his trust list, and this makes Blazed look like he thinks a self-admitted extortionist should be trusted by everyone. In my book, this means Blazed is not quite as trustworthy as he presents himself to be.

@shorena
That was highly evasive.

Probably, yes. I dont like that I had to leave these ratings and I like even less than it seems Im the only one on DT who gives a fuck. This thread makes me feel 1000 years old and so tired of this forum.

And what i said about VOD is bad and you played off like it was no big deal.

or maybe I just want to keep this on topic and not drift off into another discussion about people who should not matter in this thread.

-snip-
The regular people i deal with do not need to be PM'd all the time.

Yeah, I dont like this either. On the other hand Im not going to tell what someone told me in convidence. Please sign NDA if you wana see proof of scam, shits getting real fucked up.

Shorena i lost any respect i might have had for you.. it's gone.

I just try to do what is right with the little power BadBear and Cyrus gave me. If that means people dont like or respect me, so be it.

VOD did what i said.. that is a fucking fact !

Yeah, same as many others Vod tends to ignore what someone with a negative rating says. I personally think its stupid to ignore a well constructed argument because of the person that made it, but I cant change that. Well, I can support the argument - as I do here - myself, but thats about it. A single DT rating means nothing, esp. not over time and with counter ratings.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on February 10, 2017, 02:09:38 AM
Yeah, same as many others Vod tends to ignore what someone with a negative rating says. I personally think its stupid to ignore a well constructed argument because of the person that made it, but I cant change that. Well, I can support the argument - as I do here - myself, but thats about it. A single DT rating means nothing, esp. not over time and with counter ratings.

It's not that he has negative trust... have you read his posts?  Spoetnik posts like an idiot.

Plus I am paying his way in life - I don't respect people like that.

Ask him about the "kindred spirit" email when he believed I liked underage girls.  

 >:(


Probably, yes. I dont like that I had to leave these ratings and I like even less than it seems Im the only one on DT who gives a fuck. This thread makes me feel 1000 years old and so tired of this forum.

Sometimes I feel the same way.  But you and I don't get paid to investigate these scams - we do it out of our sense of morality.



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 10, 2017, 06:43:01 AM
I dont like that I had to leave these ratings and I like even less than it seems Im the only one on DT who gives a fuck. This thread makes me feel 1000 years old and so tired of this forum.
TBH, the results of this thread, and the reaction of many on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775044.0) thread make me believe that a major overhaul of either the trust system and/or who is in the DT network is in order.

It appears that anyone who questions someone in a certain group of people is called a scammer.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on February 10, 2017, 07:20:34 AM
TBH, the results of this thread, and the reaction of many on this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775044.0) thread make me believe that a major overhaul of either the trust system and/or who is in the DT network is in order.

It appears that anyone who questions someone in a certain group of people is called a scammer.

Oh sure... let the least trusted members dictate forum policy. 

 ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 11, 2017, 07:31:54 AM
Somewhat unrelated, but it looks like Lauda might have been acting as an escrow in a situation in which a portion of money that the escrow was responsible for is not going to be returned.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Heutenamos on February 12, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
Oh! Lord . People have so much Time to write all of these posts nowadays  ::)

Good one QS . You Nailed it.

Somewhat unrelated, but it looks like Lauda might have been acting as an escrow in a situation in which a portion of money that the escrow was responsible for is not going to be returned.

Right. It was an altcoin scam and when i posted that its a shit scam project then all his jobless fucker followers started attacking me. The OP joel something of that scam coin was the worse shill motherfucker acting like they r delivering a mind boggling tech which can make humans immortal. Cunt.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on March 26, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
bumping for visibility

Whatever medication you are on, you need to start taking it...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on March 26, 2017, 03:23:17 PM
bumping for visibility

Whatever medication you are on, you need to start taking it...

Sup with the ad hominem?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 26, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on March 26, 2017, 11:58:29 PM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

Isn't this just a bump in disguise - indeed the second in the same 24 hour period? (http://archive.is/uh0Bd#selection-4179.0-4201.23)  This is just a retelling of your previous posts and "adds nothing to the discussion" which, like the two bumps in 24 hours is against BCT rules?

http://archive.is/UboFn#selection-4351.0-4401.146


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on March 27, 2017, 12:52:10 AM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on March 27, 2017, 05:28:25 AM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.

-snip-
You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around

Read the thread, but thanks for bringing yourself to my attention.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: andromedae on March 27, 2017, 10:02:47 AM
I just read this thread i found and yes , this is clearly extortion attempt   :-\   


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 27, 2017, 10:07:52 AM
Isn't this just a bump in disguise - indeed the second in the same 24 hour period? (http://archive.is/uh0Bd#selection-4179.0-4201.23)  This is just a retelling of your previous posts and "adds nothing to the discussion" which, like the two bumps in 24 hours is against BCT rules?

http://archive.is/UboFn#selection-4351.0-4401.146
Yes, that's a double bump. Therefore, a rule was broken.

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around
I take it you have some evidence? ::)

I just read this thread i found and yes , this is clearly extortion attempt   :-\  
The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident. What it contains is a made-up scenario that QS wishes had played out, in an attempt to get rid of me (and continue his/her escrow scams, DT account sales, et. al.). Also:
Quote
Date Registered:   March 26, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on March 27, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.

Whats the correct information then?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 27, 2017, 04:10:30 PM
Whats the correct information then?
That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on March 27, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around
It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on March 27, 2017, 10:29:51 PM

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around
It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png

Makes you wonder why, he is trying to take the attention of him/her, shorena is a sneaky person, they are trying to hide something
I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 27, 2017, 10:40:46 PM
I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly
I would find this very unlikely.

Each of their ethics, intelligence, and more are at opposite ends of the spectrum.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on March 28, 2017, 12:59:25 AM
I do believe Shorena and Lauda are the same people, I will post some proof shortly
I would find this very unlikely.

Each of their ethics, intelligence, and more are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

You mean like how Panthers52 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357487) posts a link to a "Tired of annoying signature ads? (suspicious link removed)" Archive (http://archive.is/Wh6cc#selection-621.0-621.32) and you (until you fell on hard times recently ;) ) used to have a signature from whatever signature campaign was paying the most?

Yep, definitely different ends of the spectrum... OH WAIT!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 28, 2017, 06:53:46 AM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.
Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I am very disappointed in those in the DT network for not looking the other way in an admitted extortion attempt. I am also especially disappointed in Blazed for keeping Lauda in his trust list.

Whats the correct information then?
That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.
This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 28, 2017, 08:20:02 AM
This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.
And, as I have also said before, your word on this matter should not be seen as fact due to the glaring conflict of interest between the two of us.
For anyone concerned, I would take the word of a neutral third party (Shorena) [1] or the perpetrator themselves (Lauda) [2] in regards to my innocence.

[1]
#3 I left no rating to minifrij because the connection is not strong enough for it. The timing is odd and Im wary, but its not enough for a rating IMHO.

[2]
The thread, especially the OP, contains highly incorrect information (e.g. minifrij) about the incident.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on March 28, 2017, 12:14:07 PM
Minifrij how much did you get paid to keep your mouth shut?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: actmyname on March 28, 2017, 10:32:23 PM
Minifrij how much did you get paid to keep your mouth shut?
vodaljepa, does butthurt rageposting offer you payments? If so, then sign me up!



I don't think it's very necessary to continually state the same point over and over (over different threads) without clear proof to back it up. Anything you've provided is raw circumstantial assumption, and that's stretching it.

Maybe you should be a conspiracy theorist ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: cjmoles on March 30, 2017, 12:55:18 AM
"Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"  --“Marmion” by Sir Walter Scott

I'm reserving comment because we all know what happens when we look behind the curtain....but I do believe there's more!  Collusion is bad if the intention is to provide a fair reputation network....it puts the whole system on its head. Sorry for interjecting my opinion here, but it needs to be said somewhere....the trust system is broken!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: ibminer on March 31, 2017, 04:57:07 PM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

The first "extortion attempt" didn't seem legitimate to me.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

I agree with the Staff removal and would be fine leaving a negative feedback if I had better evidence of actual extortion but I don't see it.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sluggss on April 02, 2017, 10:48:21 PM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.
Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I am very disappointed in those in the DT network for not looking the other way in an admitted extortion attempt. I am also especially disappointed in Blazed for keeping Lauda in his trust list.

Whats the correct information then?
That I wasn't involved in the extortion plot and was simply trying to enforce the forum's rules. As I have said previously in the thread.
This is an obvious lie. Your actions clearly were putting pressure on the extortion victim to pay the extortion demand, and you were aware of the extortion attempt prior to you taking the action that put pressure on the extortion victim.
no doubt . that's clearly an extortion attempt.  interesting to read.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on April 03, 2017, 06:16:29 AM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

I know and I understand. I dont care enough anymore to do this alone. Probably time to move on.
Was anyone lobbying you to remove the negative rating? If so, who?

No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

I would point out that doing the right thing is often not the same as doing the easy thing.

I know. I shouldnt have said I will remove the rating after some time passed, but I did and I feel Im bound by these words. Esp. here as there is little more than my word on anything. I had hoped that more would chime in and eventually my rating is no longer relevant.



I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

You know damn right shorena got paid under the table to change that rating around
It's unusual that shorena gave you a negative rating a day after this the day he read this... for a completely different reason

[ img]http://pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-9/256/thinking-face.png[/img]

Thats a big ass smiley man.

Anyway. Yes it is, I wouldnt usually do this, but this thread is a constant reminder why I keep posting less and less here. vodaljepa poked me and I lashed out. Usually I wouldnt even have looked, that day I did and it turned out I just had to check the untrusted ratings on their profile to find some dirt. They are a troll asking for a reaction, they got one. It might not have been the reaction they had hoped for, but thats the risk of playing stupid games. You might win stupid prices.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sluggss on April 03, 2017, 10:02:21 AM

Quote
...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on April 03, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
Quote
...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting
My conscious is pretty clear, much clearer than you resorting to these childish games with alts. An unlimited amount of accounts won't help you.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.
There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it). :P


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sluggss on April 03, 2017, 12:33:57 PM
Quote
...No, Lauda was repeatedly asking me when the rating will be removed as I said they should. I think I was contected a few times by people, but nothing more than simply asking without pressing it further when I didnt reply.

The plot thickens. Seams he does not have a clear conscience  after all ... this become more and more interresting
My conscious is pretty clear, much clearer than you resorting to these childish games with alts. An unlimited amount of accounts won't help you.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.
There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it). :P

Lauda just left me a bad feedback , for the sole reason i expose my opinion .. what's wrong here ?this is the  way trust rating should be use on this board  ?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on April 03, 2017, 12:36:18 PM
Lauda just left me a bad feedback , for the sole reason i expose my opinion .. what's wrong here ?this is the  way trust rating should be use on this board  ?
What do you know about valid or invalid feedback, you are a new member after all. Aren't you? If you aren't (hence the statement), then my feedback is very much valid. I guess those e-mail threats didn't work.::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: ibminer on April 03, 2017, 02:24:00 PM
This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.
There is no evidence as the claims in the OP are falsified (e.g. minifrij's involvement). Oh yes, you and I had decent disagreements in the past (I saw your post before you edited it). :P
The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions. It was certainly an extortion attempt but what the motive actually was means something to me in this situation, regardless of motive, I do think this type of behavior is distasteful. As for the edit, I didn't think all of that was relevant to get into with this thread and I wanted to try and remain as neutral as I could. I have nothing to hide here though, if anyone wants to know my gut feelings about our past, I will tell them - as I have in the past. I don't know you personally so all I have to go on is past experiences but I wanted to try and look at this accusation with a clear head. I do also question the motives of QS but I would never want him to stop posting his beliefs.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: stereotype on April 03, 2017, 02:34:39 PM

My conscious is pretty clear,

So, in the same circumstances, you would be comfortable doing the same thing again?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on April 03, 2017, 04:55:08 PM
The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions.
No, they are most certainly not facts. Whilst I am not going to waste my time debunking the whole thread, especially not considering the time passed since the event, here's one example:
Quote
Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.
This is a blatant lie. If my memory serves me correctly, I had sent zero messages to Zeroxal prior to the 'string message' itself (at least not within that month; e.g. we had a trade a long time ago).

My conscious is pretty clear,
So, in the same circumstances, you would be comfortable doing the same thing again?
No. I have stated this long ago. If not publicly, then privately.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on April 03, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
If you didn't do anything wrong and have a clear conscience then logistically you should have no problem doing it again, right? If you did nothing wrong then why not do it again?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on April 03, 2017, 05:54:41 PM
If you didn't do anything wrong and have a clear conscience then logistically you should have no problem doing it again, right? If you did nothing wrong then why not do it again?

Your logic is flawed; one can do something stupid, learn from ones mistakes and - with a clear conscience - try to never do it again. Or one can do something immoral, leading to a guilty conscience (in a healthy individual). One does not exclude the other but certainly also not imply each other...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on April 03, 2017, 05:55:19 PM
Your logic is flawed; one can do something stupid, learn from ones mistakes and - with a clear conscience - try to never do it again. Or one can do something immoral, leading to a guilty conscience (in a healthy individual). One does not exclude the other but certainly also not imply each other...

Right, but that still makes the thing that the person did wrong.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on April 03, 2017, 06:03:53 PM
Your logic is flawed [...]
Right, but that still makes the thing that you did wrong.

I did?!? What are you talking about??? What did I do...  ???


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on April 03, 2017, 06:08:14 PM
I did?!? What are you talking about??? What did I do...  ???

Corrected the wording of my post


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on April 03, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
I did?!? What are you talking about??? What did I do...  ???
Corrected the wording of my post

Thank you. And yes, if things went down as - pretty much - described; it was pretty "wrong". But in Lauda's case it was "mistake" wrong (and he was punished [lost his staff status] for it) and not "evil" wrong (which should lead to a "guilty conscience"). There is a significant difference...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: ibminer on April 03, 2017, 07:03:34 PM
The raw facts that QS posted seemed accurate but I just didn't have the same interpretations or draw the same conclusions.
No, they are most certainly not facts. Whilst I am not going to waste my time debunking the whole thread, especially not considering the time passed since the event, here's one example:
Quote
Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.
This is a blatant lie. If my memory serves me correctly, I had sent zero messages to Zeroxal prior to the 'string message' itself (at least not within that month; e.g. we had a trade a long time ago).
I don't really see the example you listed as a fact but more hearsay or opinion because I did not see anything solid to really back that particular statement up. I'm primarily referring to the links and archive information that had been posted as being the closest set of factual data that could be explored (I explored more than this, but that data was I guess what I would call my starting point), I certainly try to comprehend these opinions and take them into account but I don't normally accept them as fact unless I find or see adequate proof. Not that this statement would have altered my conclusions anyway...

As for wasting your time, IMO time itself should not make this go away or be any less relevant, the facts should do that. I realize I'm late on this thread, for various reasons, but felt the need to respond with an explanation of why I didn't feel right leaving a negative rating.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on April 05, 2017, 10:37:40 AM
Just a small bump to keep this at the top


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on April 05, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/QtagX#selection-2397.0-2419.41

Just a small bump to keep this at the top

That definitely proves you're an alt of the alt known as quickseller bumping their thread no less.  Forget which alt you've logged in with eh?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: ibminer on April 05, 2017, 05:59:17 PM
Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/QtagX#selection-2397.0-2419.41

Just a small bump to keep this at the top

That definitely proves you're an alt of the alt known as quickseller bumping their thread no less.  Forget which alt you've logged in with eh?
Do you have other proof of this or just this bump?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on April 06, 2017, 12:17:08 AM
Archived for future reference: http://archive.is/QtagX#selection-2397.0-2419.41

Just a small bump to keep this at the top

That definitely proves you're an alt of the alt known as quickseller bumping their thread no less.  Forget which alt you've logged in with eh?

I can't really remember who I'm an alt of. Put me down as a QS alt I suppose.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on April 08, 2017, 02:08:13 PM
A friendly bump to keep this near the top


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on April 08, 2017, 02:29:31 PM
A friendly bump to keep this near the top

quickseller -499: -9 / +13 called me an idiot (http://archive.is/BRhy1#selection-1593.0-1597.12), so I pooed in my pants (http://archive.is/BRhy1#selection-1825.0-1824.1)...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Your Point Is Invalid on April 20, 2017, 10:51:15 PM
Ridiculous how Lauda can make extortion attempts and not get negative trust for it, the trust system is being monopolized guys, the forum is going to shit


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on May 14, 2017, 12:34:35 PM
Just here for a friendly bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on May 18, 2017, 05:46:59 AM
I want to publicly say that I strongly disagree with the removal of negative ratings against Lauda/TMAN.

In the case of Lauda, this is not the first time that he has been accused of extorting someone, and AFAICT, the claims that zeroaxl was evading taxes/engaging in illegal activity were baseless. What could be reasonably confirmed however was that zeroaxl has/had a large amount of BTC, and had the resources to pay an extortion payment in order to prevent an invasive police investigation.

The first "extortion attempt" didn't seem legitimate to me.

This thread is disturbing but I would have liked to see an actual transaction as more solid proof that Lauda wasn't just bluffing to bring a scammer out into the open. If it was a bluff for entrapment, it is not extortion, even though I don't agree with the behavior. For me it seems like speculation as to what would or could have happened and just having speculation doesn't make it easy marking a person negative for extortion who appears to put a good amount of time and effort into helping the community and people in general.

I agree with the Staff removal and would be fine leaving a negative feedback if I had better evidence of actual extortion but I don't see it.
Sorry for the severely delayed response.

It looks like you agreed that Lauda did in fact extort zeroaxl below, however I would point out that findlaw.com (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.html) describes extortion as "[...]gaining of [...]money[...] by [...] threat of [...] harm to reputation, or 4) unfavorable government action[...]" and also "[...]threat to expose the details of someone's private lives to the public unless money is exchanged[...]"

I would say that it is clear that Lauda's and TMAN's action meet the above criteria.

In regards to this potentially being a "bluff for entrapment" I would strongly disagree that is the case. I would point out that paying an extortion payment is not an admission of guilt. For example, if Lauda were to tell you that you needed to send him 2 BTC or he will tell your wife that you recently cheated on her, the fact that you (hypothetically) paid this extortion payment does not necessarily mean that you recently cheated on your wife. I presume that most people would not want their significant other receiving this kind of message -- the chances of you paying might be higher if you had cheated on her many years ago that she found out about (possibly in a similar manor), but remain loyal since then, or if your wife has trust issues, or if you are having marital problems, but remain loyal to her.

I also remember a few years ago that Roger Ver posted a video of him receiving a skype call in which someone threatened to "SWAT" his mother if he did not sent 20 BTC to a specific address. I suspect that there was no reason for a SWAT team to visit Ver's mother's house, however Ver might have paid if he didn't want his mother getting 'swated' -- IIRC Ver actually ended up offering a 20 BTC bounty for the guy's arrest.

This is not a case of extortion strictly speaking, rather it is a case of attempted extortion, which is just as much of a crime, and is just as bad.

In regards to your comments about my motives, I would say that I have a history of not being friendly to extortionists. I would refer you to my public interactions regarding puzzle.me and and candystripes/thoughtful to see my long history of my strong negative opinions regarding attempted extortion.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on May 18, 2017, 11:45:19 AM
And what's mind boggling is that Lauda still has green trust, In fact it's safe to say they have alt accounts high up in the DT system
Don't forget Lauda was once a moderator in the Croatian section https://web.archive.org/web/20161231143757/https://bitcointalk.org/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on May 18, 2017, 11:54:55 AM
In fact it's safe to say they have alt accounts high up in the DT system
It's only safe to say such if you have evidence to back it up.

Don't forget Lauda was once a moderator in the Croatian section
They also moderated the Speculation section, which is why they were a Staff member. I don't understand what this has to do with anything however.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: vodaljepa on May 18, 2017, 12:00:59 PM
In fact it's safe to say they have alt accounts high up in the DT system
It's only safe to say such if you have evidence to back it up.

Don't forget Lauda was once a moderator in the Croatian section
They also moderated the Speculation section, which is why they were a Staff member. I don't understand what this has to do with anything however.

You want to play stupid?
Lauda is Croatian I am 90% sure on this, you do not get modded for a countries section if you're not fluent in that language (Or even show any interest to mod a section if you didn't speak that language, Lauda showed interest in the Croatian section, I wonder why), by the way they typed and worded things I can tell 100% they are totally fluent in writing and speaking Croatian

Why are you always defending Lauda? in all topics I see
Are you an alt?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on May 18, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
[...]
Don't forget Lauda was once a moderator in the Croatian section
They also moderated the Speculation section, which is why they were a Staff member. I don't understand what this has to do with anything however.
You want to play stupid?
Lauda is Croatian I am 90% sure on this, you do not get modded for a countries section if you're not fluent in that language (Or even show any interest to mod a section if you didn't speak that language, Lauda showed interest in the Croatian section, I wonder why), by the way they typed and worded things I can tell 100% they are totally fluent in writing and speaking Croatian

Why are you always defending Lauda? in all topics I see
Are you an alt?

I guess this is more of an "how is that (Lauda being Croatian, or not) relevant here (Lauda [...] extortion attempt)...  ???


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: ibminer on May 18, 2017, 07:01:12 PM
Sorry for the severely delayed response.

It looks like you agreed that Lauda did in fact extort zeroaxl below, however I would point out that findlaw.com (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/extortion.html) describes extortion as "[...]gaining of [...]money[...] by [...] threat of [...] harm to reputation, or 4) unfavorable government action[...]" and also "[...]threat to expose the details of someone's private lives to the public unless money is exchanged[...]"

I would say that it is clear that Lauda's and TMAN's action meet the above criteria.

In regards to this potentially being a "bluff for entrapment" I would strongly disagree that is the case. I would point out that paying an extortion payment is not an admission of guilt. For example, if Lauda were to tell you that you needed to send him 2 BTC or he will tell your wife that you recently cheated on her, the fact that you (hypothetically) paid this extortion payment does not necessarily mean that you recently cheated on your wife. I presume that most people would not want their significant other receiving this kind of message -- the chances of you paying might be higher if you had cheated on her many years ago that she found out about (possibly in a similar manor), but remain loyal since then, or if your wife has trust issues, or if you are having marital problems, but remain loyal to her.

I also remember a few years ago that Roger Ver posted a video of him receiving a skype call in which someone threatened to "SWAT" his mother if he did not sent 20 BTC to a specific address. I suspect that there was no reason for a SWAT team to visit Ver's mother's house, however Ver might have paid if he didn't want his mother getting 'swated' -- IIRC Ver actually ended up offering a 20 BTC bounty for the guy's arrest.

This is not a case of extortion strictly speaking, rather it is a case of attempted extortion, which is just as much of a crime, and is just as bad.

In regards to your comments about my motives, I would say that I have a history of not being friendly to extortionists. I would refer you to my public interactions regarding puzzle.me and and candystripes/thoughtful to see my long history of my strong negative opinions regarding attempted extortion.

Before I fully respond to this, I have a question relating to motive. In this situation, should the good things that Lauda has done for the forum & community be a factor when determining reasonable doubt over whether or not this was an extortion attempt to bring someone supposedly shady out into the open -or- an extortion attempt for some sort of financial gain?  Again, I don't really agree with either, but the latter is much worse IMO.

Also, I'm not sure your example is very compelling for me. Personally, I would first tell Lauda I unfortunately don't own 2BTC - as sad as that is - so attempting to extort me is pointless as I couldn't send it anyway (donations are accepted! 8)). Even if I did have it, I'm too strong minded (or maybe hard headed?) that I would never pay anything for something I didn't do. There are other things I would do in this situation, but I'm not going to give away how I would defend myself. Besides, my wife trusts me and would certainly believe my word over some damn online cat!  ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on May 18, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Lauda is Croatian I am 90% sure on this, you do not get modded for a countries section if you're not fluent in that language (Or even show any interest to mod a section if you didn't speak that language, Lauda showed interest in the Croatian section, I wonder why), by the way they typed and worded things I can tell 100% they are totally fluent in writing and speaking Croatian
So, does this mean that anyone that speaks fluent English is from a predominantly English speaking country? Being fluent in a language - to any extent - isn't a reliable method of gauging where someone is from.

Regardless, as sbogovac said:
I guess this is more of an "how is that (Lauda being Croatian, or not) relevant here (Lauda [...] extortion attempt)...  ???

Why are you always defending Lauda? in all topics I see
Because I don't feel that they deserve all of the negative attention that they are receiving.

Are you an alt?
If you want me to be an alt, then nothing I could say or do would change your mind. For the record however, no.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on May 19, 2017, 06:12:01 AM
Before I fully respond to this, I have a question relating to motive. In this situation, should the good things that Lauda has done for the forum & community be a factor when determining reasonable doubt over whether or not this was an extortion attempt to bring someone supposedly shady out into the open -or- an extortion attempt for some sort of financial gain?  Again, I don't really agree with either, but the latter is much worse IMO.
I'll be honest with you, I don't agree that Lauda has done very much to benefit the community. It is my opinion that Lauda has been trying to gain additional power, is power hungry, and is attempting profit personally from his power. I acknowledge that this does not help my case, but that is okay because it is the truth.

To answer your question more broadly, yes I would give someone who I believed to have helped the community in the past more of a benefit of the doubt. I also would be willing to argue a lesser "punishment" for this kind of person to a certain degree, although I would say that the punishment that Lauda has received is not appropriate for someone who has greatly helped the community (again, I don't think Lauda meets that criteria).  

I don't think the fact that Lauda sent a demand for payment from zeroaxl is in dispute. It is my understanding that it is not disputed that Lauda sent a message along the lines of "you need to send me BTC or else..." and this kind of message makes any benefit of the doubt given to be disregarded as this would meet the criteria of an extortion attempt.

I would also question how exactly Lauda's activity might have brought someone shady into the open. If my memory serves me correctly, zeroaxl had told me via PM that he was accused of a very wide range of shady behavior, from tax evasion to the hacking of bitfinex. I don't think this fact has been disputed, but I also don't think it has been out in the open in a way so that it could be disputed. I would say that if this is true, it would remove credibility that Lauda was trying to "bring light to shady behavior"  

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Also, I'm not sure your example is very compelling for me. Personally, I would first tell Lauda I unfortunately don't own 2BTC - as sad as that is - so attempting to extort me is pointless as I couldn't send it anyway (donations are accepted! 8)). Even if I did have it, I'm too strong minded (or maybe hard headed?) that I would never pay anything for something I didn't do. There are other things I would do in this situation, but I'm not going to give away how I would defend myself. Besides, my wife trusts me and would certainly believe my word over some damn online cat!  ;D
Well you are lucky to be in that kind of marriage/relationship with your wife. I think it is fair to acknowledge that not everyone benefits from your situation, and that a good number of people would be inclined to pay, even if they have done nothing wrong.

Maybe a better example would be Lauda showing you evidence that causes you to believe that he can cause an in-person IRS audit, and he demands $100 worth of BTC, or else he will cause you to get an in-person IRS audit. Even if you have filed/paid your taxes properly your whole life, the time spent taking off work, and the stress of an audit is probably worth more than $100. If I were to receive that kind of extortion demand, I would not pay, and if anyone asked me for my opinion, I would tell them not to pay, however I think that a lot of people would probably pay this kind of extortion demand (sadly). I guess my point is more that there are reasons why someone might pay an extortion payment even if they have done nothing morally wrong (let alone illegal).

edit: here is a quote from a PM that I received
They just brought up "shady" things of mine and never were able to prove that I apparently hacked bitfinex, ran serveral ponzies and even run a botnet, because I didn't do any of that. We decided to talk about it in private.
Feel free to bring anything up against lauda though, I honestly don't think he deserves the staff badge.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on June 13, 2017, 05:35:13 AM
Thump

That's quite a lot of makeup you've got in that there handbag of yours madam... Makes quite a thumping sound when you drop to your knees.

http://archive.is/VayrN#selection-1851.0-1851.5


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 01:38:15 AM
Thanks for the bump!  I forgot about this.

Doesn't surprise me.  I find it ironic those same 3 stooges Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are in the other thread.

Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion

It's not a "investigation" it's notta "sting" its and EXTORTION

Glad the guy didn't pay but wonder why he gave up his info?

Some people get scared easy.  Those 3 and other's in that group sure do like to pack on the posts  ::) ::)

He should of called the feds/interpol himself....Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.

I'll add that to their list of FAILED scam attempts.  They seem to be running the gamut lately.......oh the Alt's  ::) ::)

Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?


I'm sure ya'll got some drama, I'm not in that.  Just leaving my 2 cents.



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on July 26, 2017, 01:54:43 AM
I find it ironic those same 3 stooges Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are in the other thread.
I'm guessing you mean the OgNasty thread. In regards to that, Lauda and I like to keep up to date on current forum events. I couldn't give a fuck about the current situation between TMAN and OgNasty (or whoever else is involved), which you can see if you read my post.

Those 3 and other's in that group sure do like to pack on the posts  ::) ::)
Almost like we enjoy posting here. I'm truly glad that people would like to ruin that simply because I associate myself with select groups of people.

He should of called the feds/interpol himself....Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.
TMAN isn't. No idea about Lauda, but I also suspect not.

Can't say much for the last stooge.
I'm assuming you mean me. Look on my profile.

In addition, this offer isn't just open to 8xbt:
My full name and the city I live in has been posted publicly by me in the past. Please report me to the authorities for my heinous crimes of creating threads on an internet forum.

They seem to be running the gamut lately.......oh the Alt's  ::) ::)
I have one alt that I have noted myself publicly with 3 posts on it.

I'm sure ya'll got some drama, I'm not in that.  Just leaving my 2 cents.
Seems to me, judging by your last posts, you're knee deep in some drama. Whatever floats your boat.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 02:51:57 AM
I find it ironic those same 3 stooges Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are in the other thread.
I'm guessing you mean the OgNasty thread. In regards to that, Lauda and I like to keep up to date on current forum events. I couldn't give a fuck about the current situation between TMAN and OgNasty (or whoever else is involved), which you can see if you read my post.

Those 3 and other's in that group sure do like to pack on the posts  ::) ::)
Almost like we enjoy posting here. I'm truly glad that people would like to ruin that simply because I associate myself with select groups of people.

He should of called the feds/interpol himself....Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.
TMAN isn't. No idea about Lauda, but I also suspect not.

Can't say much for the last stooge.
I'm assuming you mean me. Look on my profile.

In addition, this offer isn't just open to 8xbt:
My full name and the city I live in has been posted publicly by me in the past. Please report me to the authorities for my heinous crimes of creating threads on an internet forum.

They seem to be running the gamut lately.......oh the Alt's  ::) ::)
I have one alt that I have noted myself publicly with 3 posts on it.

I'm sure ya'll got some drama, I'm not in that.  Just leaving my 2 cents.
Seems to me, judging by your last posts, you're knee deep in some drama. Whatever floats your boat.

I guess to expect the other 2 to come along as well ::)  Don't recall looking at your profile, if I did, I would of stated where you were from. It's not just in these two threads either.  When someone starts pushing their "friends" "associates" "suggestion" or "opinion" ya they get lumped in.  You don't have the luxury of saying I'm on the sidelines  ::) sidelines is not an observer it is an active participant although sitting

I don't need to report anyone.  But that guy should of.  I have reported 2 PayPal thingy's.

I don't consider it drama.  I consider this an Extortion.  The other thread is just another attempt at getting to OG.  Both of these things are wrong.  I'm not going to shut my mouth or get "bullied" wrong Joe Bro

BTW there is an ignore button you don't have to see/read/whatever I got to say.  

Edit:  Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on July 26, 2017, 03:08:00 AM
Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion
Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

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Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?
Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on July 26, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
I guess to expect the other 2 to come along as well ::)
Don't hold your breath. I'm usually the only one dumb enough to take the bait.

Don't recall looking at your profile, if I did, I would of stated where you were from.
I know you didn't. That's why I told you to.

It's not just in these two threads either.  When someone starts pushing their "friends" "associates" "suggestion" or "opinion" ya they get lumped in.  You don't have the luxury of saying I'm on the sidelines  ::) sidelines is not an observer it is an active participant although sitting
It'd be really helpful if you could split up your posts to show what exactly you are replying to. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I don't consider it drama.  I consider this an Extortion.
Relating to me, this thread is drama because Quickseller doesn't like me. If you read about my 'involvement', you can see that I wasn't at all related to the extortion and was simply trying to enforce forum rules. This is something I'll be sure not to do again. Ban evaders can run wild for all I care; I'm not risking my reputation to try and make this place better.

The other thread is just another attempt at getting to OG.  Both of these things are wrong.
As I said, I couldn't care less about the drama between Og and others. I have my own gripes with Og that I may or may not address in the future, but relating to his treasurer status I am indifferent.

I'm not going to shut my mouth or get "bullied" wrong Joe Bro
Cool? I don't believe I ever asked you to.

BTW there is an ignore button you don't have to see/read/whatever I got to say. 
I believe I have only ever ignored one user on this board and that was only temporary. I can't say I intend to start now, especially with people expressing semi-valid opinions.



TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).
Neither of these claims are accurate. TMAN no longer lives in the UK AFAIK, and he has never lived near Zepher.

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN.
Correct.

zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.
Not from my understanding. I was told that TMAN and Zeroxal had made an agreement and was requested to adhere to it.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 02:22:34 PM
Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion
Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

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Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?
Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: actmyname on July 26, 2017, 02:29:22 PM
Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?

What's your favorite board game? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362965.0)

::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 02:32:52 PM
Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?

What's your favorite board game? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362965.0)

::)


backgammon all day long.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on July 26, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion
Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

Quote
Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?
Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?
I find all of this unlikely to be true. At least anything that has any relevance.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 02:46:39 PM
Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion
Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

Quote
Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?
Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

I beg to differ and stated so.  The UK won't play and would take a look at extortion, whether or not the extortion was successful or not doesn't matter. You are either pregnant or not, notta maybe  :-\

Oh well that's silly and a little disturbing.  I do believe that Zeroaxl was bullied.  I doubt he is totally innocent of things.  Nonetheless, being extorted is messed up.  And yes illegal in jurisdictions like the UK & USA.  Not familiar with other countries like Croatia, Albania, etc.  I would think they have laws against that too.    


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 02:54:58 PM
Telling someone to pay you X or your gonna do X.........is extortion
Right. Unfortunately those within Lauda's "group" has demonstrated that it is not acceptable to question any of them.

Tman, and Lauda I HIGHLY suspect  ;) are not in the usa.  Likely in countries where "authorities" ride on donkeys............no wonder so brave ::)  Can't say much for the last stooge.
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN. He is a young guy IIRC.

Lauda has ties to Croatia and lives in Europe. He has tried to keep his identity secret, however he has slipped up a couple of times. He somewhat tried to get theymos to delete his personal information from the forum's DB via Europes "right to be forgotten" laws/regulations, however theymos described the EU as the "EUSSR" (or something along those lines), and said that if he received a 'right to be forgotten' request he would promptly ignore it.

Quote
Question:  Who is the mod that trashed the posts?
Are you referring to the extortion related threads? They were moved to the archives and locked where they have little visibility by the respective OP of each of the threads -- zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.

Wrong.... I live in Central Europe now, in a country where it is legal to own a fire arm. I live in a compound with 10ft high walls and bullet proof windows,  my inside leg mesurement is 32" and I prefer my women to have large chests, I like my Steak blue, prefer English mustard over Dijon and Red wine over white..

anything else you want to know about me?
I find all of this unlikely to be true. At least anything that has any relevance.

really? ok - want to have a wager?? everything I have typed above is correct and I can prove it....

if you can read the numbers and look up the manufacturer you will see these windows are rated to withstand fire from guns.

http://i.imgur.com/erAH6hP.jpg

and does this look like a big fuck off wall in a big house?

http://i.imgur.com/ufnbXaP.jpg

now fuck off QS... some of us are successful outside of bitcoin - we arent all keyboard warriors like you.




Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 03:09:40 PM
I guess to expect the other 2 to come along as well ::)
Don't hold your breath. I'm usually the only one dumb enough to take the bait.

Don't recall looking at your profile, if I did, I would of stated where you were from.
I know you didn't. That's why I told you to.

It's not just in these two threads either.  When someone starts pushing their "friends" "associates" "suggestion" or "opinion" ya they get lumped in.  You don't have the luxury of saying I'm on the sidelines  ::) sidelines is not an observer it is an active participant although sitting
It'd be really helpful if you could split up your posts to show what exactly you are replying to. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

I don't consider it drama.  I consider this an Extortion.
Relating to me, this thread is drama because Quickseller doesn't like me. If you read about my 'involvement', you can see that I wasn't at all related to the extortion and was simply trying to enforce forum rules. This is something I'll be sure not to do again. Ban evaders can run wild for all I care; I'm not risking my reputation to try and make this place better.

The other thread is just another attempt at getting to OG.  Both of these things are wrong.
As I said, I couldn't care less about the drama between Og and others. I have my own gripes with Og that I may or may not address in the future, but relating to his treasurer status I am indifferent.

I'm not going to shut my mouth or get "bullied" wrong Joe Bro
Cool? I don't believe I ever asked you to.

BTW there is an ignore button you don't have to see/read/whatever I got to say. 
I believe I have only ever ignored one user on this board and that was only temporary. I can't say I intend to start now, especially with people expressing semi-valid opinions.



TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).
Neither of these claims are accurate. TMAN no longer lives in the UK AFAIK, and he has never lived near Zepher.

minifrij also lives in the UK, although not necessarily near TMAN.
Correct.

zeroaxl was bullied into also doing this.
Not from my understanding. I was told that TMAN and Zeroxal had made an agreement and was requested to adhere to it.

(I really gotta get going soon, I'll be here for an hr then return later)

LOL you "taking the bait" I see there is a Tman post (haven't read it would rather address as it comes) but yea I expected that and posted it Sorry if you feel it's bait but that's not my intent.  

I'm trying as best as I can to focus on points.  I will elaborate on why you are lumped in.  Even as an observer.  Let me tell you why:  In the law, let's say there are 3 people who plan to rob a bank.  1 doesn't go along.  The other 2 rob the bank.  All 3 are guilty of robbery.  YET, IF the 1 that didn't go along had contacted the authorities to let them know the bank was gonna get robbed, forehand. THEN that 1 is free from the robbery.  BUT not free from the conspiracy. <----------that's why I lump you in with them.

I don't dislike or like you.  I don't know or care how QS feels.  He does make good points and that is what I am following the points.  Again, you are saying you were enforcing rules.  I would need to see some kinda transcript about that.  Because as things have been stated, I see you being involved (see above example as to why)

What you do for the forum, ban evaders? etc.  I don't see why you would discontinue doing so.  Unless? I'm missing something about how what you do for the forum applies to this?

No you didn't ask me to shut my mouth nor did you bully me.  But you did say something like (sorry not feeling the quotes today) oh your knee deep in drama.  But I'm not involved in drama.  I don't see this as drama/nor the other issue.  These are some serious things, extortion and discrediting.  I'm not siding with good/bad, just because of "who" they are  ::)  Things are presented on this board.  

Using the ignore button.  That was just to let you know you don't have to hear/see/or anything about me.  You have the choice to do that.  I don't use the ignore either. I will ignore a post if it's just gonna run in circles, ex that guy I offered the Uber too.  Haven't been back cuz I told him a few times but he kept dancing  ::)

IDK about their "agreement" in all honesty the "agreement" should not be accepted as such.  When you put someone under duress, some will cave in because they are scared.  Here the guy was extorted, threads and such were made, then things go silent and all is good? It's not there was a YOU pay X or IM gonna do Y and that's seriously fucked up no matter what spin anyone puts on this.

Now I guess I gotta see what Tman wrote  ::) I hope I don't see fuck or cock in there ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
Oh only 1 f and not directed at me.  Just some mention of guns n bullet proof stuff, got some arrows on a roof. 

Damn must be a High crime area I'd rather move than live in a prison.  Some protection and couple of night vision cameras are good enough for me and I'm near Detroit and I think we were once the Murder Capital.

Hope you find a safer place.  Gammon is a great game.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Wendigo on July 26, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
This guy has quite a number of Reddit Upvote arrows on his roof. How awesome is that?  ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 03:30:28 PM
Oh only 1 f and not directed at me.  Just some mention of guns n bullet proof stuff, got some arrows on a roof. 

Damn must be a High crime area I'd rather move than live in a prison.  Some protection and couple of night vision cameras are good enough for me and I'm near Detroit and I think we were once the Murder Capital.

Hope you find a safer place.  Gammon is a great game.

no i live in a safe area buddy - but its all about face where I am...  big house, big gates, armed guards..  something keyboard warriors like QS who still lives in his mums basement wouldn't know about..

and admittedly I have a potty mouth - but nothing you have said has deserved a barrage of abuse, QS gets off on trying to annoy people and standing up for his lover OG.. I just enjoy pointing out how wrong he is.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zepher on July 26, 2017, 03:51:37 PM
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

TMAN no longer lives in the UK as he has already pointed out.

As for me, I will save you the trouble of searching your databases for my address (defcon23, anyone?..). I do indeed live in the UK, though I am not gonna go and dox myself and name the city, I will let you do that, as you have done before with revealing my first name on the forum with one of your sock puppet accounts.

By the way, I like how you have gone to the effort to obtain my address even though I have never made a deal with you, nor ever will. Clears up a few things for me, anyway.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: mammabitcoin2u on July 26, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Oh only 1 f and not directed at me.  Just some mention of guns n bullet proof stuff, got some arrows on a roof. 

Damn must be a High crime area I'd rather move than live in a prison.  Some protection and couple of night vision cameras are good enough for me and I'm near Detroit and I think we were once the Murder Capital.

Hope you find a safer place.  Gammon is a great game.

no i live in a safe area buddy - but its all about face where I am...  big house, big gates, armed guards..  something keyboard warriors like QS who still lives in his mums basement wouldn't know about..

and admittedly I have a potty mouth - but nothing you have said has deserved a barrage of abuse, QS gets off on trying to annoy people and standing up for his lover OG.. I just enjoy pointing out how wrong he is.

 :D "potty mouth" must be the UK thing.  I talk like a trucker.  But, man those words were just every where!! lol I mean a lil funny but still wayyyy too much I still can't get it outta head lol Glad it was only 1 I could take a few more just not every other word lol

Hey Wendigo..........I picked the casino instead of buying stuff.  Glad I did and hitta lil jackpot.  Pissed I had to pay taxes cuz it was just above the requirement :(.  


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
Oh only 1 f and not directed at me.  Just some mention of guns n bullet proof stuff, got some arrows on a roof. 

Damn must be a High crime area I'd rather move than live in a prison.  Some protection and couple of night vision cameras are good enough for me and I'm near Detroit and I think we were once the Murder Capital.

Hope you find a safer place.  Gammon is a great game.

no i live in a safe area buddy - but its all about face where I am...  big house, big gates, armed guards..  something keyboard warriors like QS who still lives in his mums basement wouldn't know about..

and admittedly I have a potty mouth - but nothing you have said has deserved a barrage of abuse, QS gets off on trying to annoy people and standing up for his lover OG.. I just enjoy pointing out how wrong he is.

 :D "potty mouth" must be the UK thing.  I talk like a trucker.  But, man those words were just every where!! lol I mean a lil funny but still wayyyy too much I still can't get it outta head lol Glad it was only 1 I could take a few more just not every other word lol

Hey Wendigo..........I picked the casino instead of buying stuff.  Glad I did and hitta lil jackpot.  Pissed I had to pay taxes cuz it was just above the requirement :(.  

when you deal with someone who is so unreasonable that they wouldn't even let the community decide a tiny bet... well you are dealing with a real dick then.. OG is proving over and over again.. it must be all the illegal business that he transacts.. he is sure the feds are going to come to his door one day - so he just fights and fights... doesn't matter if he is right or wrong...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on July 26, 2017, 03:59:25 PM
TMAN I bet you smoke weed all day long


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on July 26, 2017, 04:40:02 PM
TMAN I bet you smoke weed all day long

no buddy im afraid not...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 04, 2017, 04:41:09 AM
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

TMAN no longer lives in the UK as he has already pointed out.

As for me, I will save you the trouble of searching your databases for my address (defcon23, anyone?..). I do indeed live in the UK, though I am not gonna go and dox myself and name the city, I will let you do that, as you have done before with revealing my first name on the forum with one of your sock puppet accounts.

By the way, I like how you have gone to the effort to obtain my address even though I have never made a deal with you, nor ever will. Clears up a few things for me, anyway.
So you want me to dox you? You are okay with this?


I have the dox of many people around here, some of which very few people otherwise know anything about them. It is one tool that I can use if/when someone decides to engage in "funny business" and steal from others.


Anyway, Lauda, TMAN and minifrij are still extortionists, and I am very disappointed that others within the community are still entrusting them, and are not voicing their opinions about the situation.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Wendigo on August 04, 2017, 08:26:05 AM
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

TMAN no longer lives in the UK as he has already pointed out.

As for me, I will save you the trouble of searching your databases for my address (defcon23, anyone?..). I do indeed live in the UK, though I am not gonna go and dox myself and name the city, I will let you do that, as you have done before with revealing my first name on the forum with one of your sock puppet accounts.

By the way, I like how you have gone to the effort to obtain my address even though I have never made a deal with you, nor ever will. Clears up a few things for me, anyway.
So you want me to dox you? You are okay with this?


I have the dox of many people around here, some of which very few people otherwise know anything about them. It is one tool that I can use if/when someone decides to engage in "funny business" and steal from others.


Anyway, Lauda, TMAN and minifrij are still extortionists, and I am very disappointed that others within the community are still entrusting them, and are not voicing their opinions about the situation.

Do you have such for people in the DT network? Man this could get messy  :o


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 04, 2017, 11:21:00 AM
TMAN lives in the UK, he apparently lives not far from Zepher (I would have to look up where exactly Zepher lives as I don't remember the address off the top of my head).

TMAN no longer lives in the UK as he has already pointed out.

As for me, I will save you the trouble of searching your databases for my address (defcon23, anyone?..). I do indeed live in the UK, though I am not gonna go and dox myself and name the city, I will let you do that, as you have done before with revealing my first name on the forum with one of your sock puppet accounts.

By the way, I like how you have gone to the effort to obtain my address even though I have never made a deal with you, nor ever will. Clears up a few things for me, anyway.
So you want me to dox you? You are okay with this?


I have the dox of many people around here, some of which very few people otherwise know anything about them. It is one tool that I can use if/when someone decides to engage in "funny business" and steal from others.


Anyway, Lauda, TMAN and minifrij are still extortionists, and I am very disappointed that others within the community are still entrusting them, and are not voicing their opinions about the situation.

anyway you are an overweight virgin who probably lives in your mothers basement..  you really should get a life, a hobby, a girlfriend or even take to masturbating more. Any of those activities will have a positive effect on your life. Digging out people who really don't give a fuck about what you do or say is just silly.. 

just keep account farming, selling accounts so that users can scam other users. That's really productive isn't it, judging from your post count I imagine you could make just as much money filling in captures online for Asian scammers instead.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on August 04, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
I support Quickseller 100%, these extortionists should not be forgotten


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on August 11, 2017, 06:54:42 AM
Quote
the problem with tolerating jerks in your community, friend group, or employees is that all of the nice people quietly drift away maybe what they did wasn't technically against the rules, but the damage is done every time a place becomes a little (or a lot) more hostile

https://twitter.com/ladyaeva/status/894279269521784832


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 11, 2017, 08:58:46 AM
Quote
the problem with tolerating jerks in your community, friend group, or employees is that all of the nice people quietly drift away maybe what they did wasn't technically against the rules, but the damage is done every time a place becomes a little (or a lot) more hostile
https://twitter.com/ladyaeva/status/894279269521784832
Tolerating and supporting scammers such as OP (who just happens to be one of the biggest jerks who keeps the DOX of people he has not traded with), makes all the nice people drift towards the forum. No surprise considering OP likes to deal in accounts and you tend to escrow accounts. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on August 11, 2017, 07:14:21 PM
Feels so good to see Lauda without green trust, it's like Christmas came early


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 11, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
Feels so good to see Lauda without green trust, it's like Christmas came early
Gotta love shill/alt accounts. I wonder whether you're a spammer or a scammer that I've tagged. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on August 11, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
Gotta love shill/alt accounts. I wonder whether you're a spammer or a scammer that I've tagged. ::)

Eat shit pederu, I bet you already got your alt signed up, you are fucking done here now you extortionist


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: pinkman12345 on August 12, 2017, 04:23:06 PM
OK...I got it. So lauda is a extortinist ??


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 12, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
OK...I got it. So lauda is a extortinist ??
Yes.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on August 15, 2017, 01:09:42 PM
Bump, can't let this get away from first page


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: pinkman12345 on August 15, 2017, 01:33:19 PM
Bump, can't let this get away from first page
I haven't trade with any of the people here much...but extorting someone is a bad thing..This could get the user Lauda in Prison. I think bitcointalk as just a place to chat and learn, i will hardly do any real trade with my real identity here as things like mentioned in OP can happen. Anyways what was the amount in BTC the cut was that the user Lauda was asking?
I have been working in police department and i bet that if our authority pressurize this forum to give data then admin cant revoke it. Better you guys leave this habit of extorting here, Better that no legal complaints are made for you else the day could be worst for you guys.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 15, 2017, 03:42:44 PM
Eat shit pederu, I bet you already got your alt signed up, you are fucking done here now you extortionist
Vodapelja is back? ::)

Anyways what was the amount in BTC the cut was that the user Lauda was asking?
There was no extortion (read sting operation), nor was any amount asked/specified nor were any addresses given. Half of this thread is a falsified and twisted version of what actually happened. Quickseller has a habit of doing this (among other things), which is why his trust rating is almost -500.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: badge101 on August 15, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
There was no extortion (read sting operation), nor was any amount asked/specified nor were any addresses given. Half of this thread is a falsified and twisted version of what actually happened. Quickseller has a habit of doing this (among other things), which is why his trust rating is almost -500.

Do not believe what this person is saying, anyone caught in something bad will deny it all, this is a perfect example


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on August 15, 2017, 06:59:45 PM
Do not believe what this person is saying, anyone caught in something bad will deny it all, this is a perfect example
Funny how Zeroxal says the same thing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg17629087#msg17629087). Also funny how someone hiding behind a shill account is trying to call out others. Maybe that second one's just me though.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shield132 on August 16, 2017, 01:09:11 PM
Feels so good to see Lauda without green trust, it's like Christmas came early
Gotta love shill/alt accounts. I wonder whether you're a spammer or a scammer that I've tagged. ::)
Haha Lauda, you made so much good here that these spammers or scammers hate you. The more good you do for community, the more hater there will be always, it's like a rule. Please tag as more scammer/spammer as possible.
badge101
Do you see Lauda in your nightmare with green trust?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 16, 2017, 01:44:14 PM
Haha Lauda, you made so much good here that these spammers or scammers hate you. The more good you do for community, the more hater there will be always, it's like a rule. Please tag as more scammer/spammer as possible.
"If they really hate you, that means that you're doing something right."

badge101
Do you see Lauda in your nightmare with green trust?
Have you seen this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2081498.0)? Hard to say who is who with all these shills, but then again, the OP of this thread has a proven tendency to use shill accounts.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 16, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Dogedigital on August 17, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
I have nothing to add.  Just wanted to say I thought OgNasty's rap wasn't all that bad (at least better than what I was expecting).  Carry on.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Brad Harrison on August 17, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shield132 on August 18, 2017, 12:37:18 PM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself
Nothing personal but why do you care if TMAN pays 200$ to someone to get dox?
If you are so smart, try and get my dox. I believe you can't.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 18, 2017, 12:59:44 PM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself
Nothing personal but why do you care if TMAN pays 200$ to someone to get dox?
If you are so smart, try and get my dox. I believe you can't.
TMAN is trolling. He is a professional troll. You can safely ignore him.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on August 18, 2017, 01:30:49 PM
This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. From an observers standpoint (since this is always in my new replies tab) we should only talk about reasons why Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are extortionist and why they are not until someone finds evidence and a conclusion. Just my two cents please don't persecute me.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 18, 2017, 01:34:14 PM
This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. From an observers standpoint (since this is always in my new replies tab) we should only talk about reasons why Lauda/TMAN/minifrij are extortionist and why they are not until someone finds evidence and a conclusion. Just my two cents please don't persecute me.
They are attempting to derail the thread and distract from their crimes.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: coolcoinz on August 18, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
"If they really hate you, that means that you're doing something right."
I can't believe you honestly stand by that saying.
If you really do...

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder283/500x/65515283/stalin-medal-comrade-stalin-approves.jpg

They are attempting to derail the thread and distract from their crimes.
So trolling on an Internet forum is a crime now?  ;D
Listen up folks, you have a scam accusation opened against you, your crimes will not go unpunished!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 18, 2017, 01:51:00 PM

They are attempting to derail the thread and distract from their crimes.
So trolling on an Internet forum is a crime now?  ;D
Listen up folks, you have a scam accusation opened against you, your crimes will not go unpunished!  ;D ;D
No. extortion is. They are trolling to distract from their extortion.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 18, 2017, 05:43:22 PM
This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. ..
This thread is dead / i.e. there is nothing to discuss. Half of it (if not more) is the made up reality from Quickseller. You don't need to ask why his rating is at (almost) minus 500.

"If they really hate you, that means that you're doing something right."
I can't believe you honestly stand by that saying.
If you really do...
I can't believe that you don't. Take a look at my retaliatory untrusted ratings, as well as the number of scammers, farmers, et. al. that I've tagged.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 20, 2017, 04:23:15 AM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself
Nothing personal but why do you care if TMAN pays 200$ to someone to get dox?
If you are so smart, try and get my dox. I believe you can't.
TMAN is trolling. He is a professional troll. You can safely ignore him.

I got OG,s dox and he has now taken down his Facebook because of it, can't understand why as I haven't had to do anything with them yet. I am not a professional Troll, I am a business man and bitcoiner who hates you and your stupid lover OGDogg


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 20, 2017, 04:36:39 AM
This is starting to get boring. I got OG,s full dox for $200 do I have to pay to get yours as well QS?? Or maybe it's one and the same.. we all know OG is hard up... maybe he resorted to account selling to bolster his income... OG. QS. ?? Same person

LOL fucking noob has to pay to get someones dox, grow some brains and figure it out yourself
Nothing personal but why do you care if TMAN pays 200$ to someone to get dox?
If you are so smart, try and get my dox. I believe you can't.
TMAN is trolling. He is a professional troll. You can safely ignore him.

I got OG,s dox and he has now taken down his Facebook because of it, can't understand why as I haven't had to do anything with them yet. I am not a professional Troll, I am a business man and bitcoiner who hates you and your stupid lover OGDogg
If I remember correctly, OgN has previously stated he does not use Facebook. I also have other reasons to believe you are lying about having his dox.

I don't think you are a business man, and I certainly would not do business with you, nor would I recommend others do business with you either.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 20, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
Well lucky for me I don't give a fuck what you think or do. Generally pieces of shit don't bother me in life


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: cjmoles on August 20, 2017, 03:46:06 PM
This thread has turned into get your free red paint, no one is really on the topic. ..
This thread is dead / i.e. there is nothing to discuss. Half of it (if not more) is the made up reality from Quickseller. You don't need to ask why his rating is at (almost) minus 500.

"If they really hate you, that means that you're doing something right."
I can't believe you honestly stand by that saying.
If you really do...
I can't believe that you don't. Take a look at my retaliatory untrusted ratings, as well as the number of scammers, farmers, et. al. that I've tagged.



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Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on August 25, 2017, 05:32:46 AM
bump

You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.

You could learn by following his examples. 


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 25, 2017, 06:10:24 AM
bump

You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.
behind an extortionist? Weird


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on August 25, 2017, 06:11:23 AM
bump

You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.
behind an extortionist?

Nope.  The community has determined he is not an extortionist.

The only people to believe such are ones with questionable ethics.   :/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 26, 2017, 03:13:17 AM
bump

You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.
behind an extortionist?

Nope.  The community has determined he is not an extortionist.

The only people to believe such are ones with questionable ethics.   :/
Actually multiple people have agreed lauda is an extortionist and theymos fired lauda from being on staff.

Interesting to see that lauda is having you shill for him.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: The Pharmacist on August 26, 2017, 03:20:40 AM
Actually multiple people have agreed lauda is an extortionist and theymos fired lauda from being on staff.

Interesting to see that lauda is having you shill for him.
You either believe Lauda's motives or you don't.  You believe the "extortion" attempt was a sting operation, or you believe it was straight up extortion.  Given Lauda's history as an upstanding member here, it seems most of the community believes that it wasn't really extortion.  Either way, it was ill-advised and Lauda pretty much admits that, and I do believe that's why the firing happened.  

What you don't see is a lot of members here giving a shit what a proven scammer thinks about ethics. Talkin' about you, Quickseller.  There's maybe 2 or 3, and they're probably your alts anyway.

Methinks thou doth protest way too much.

I will be honest and say that I have long thought you are a sock of lauda and your statements in this thread make it look more to be the case.
LOL


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 26, 2017, 03:45:10 AM
Actually multiple people have agreed lauda is an extortionist and theymos fired lauda from being on staff.

Interesting to see that lauda is having you shill for him.
You either believe Lauda's motives or you don't.  You believe the "extortion" attempt was a sting operation, or you believe it was straight up extortion.  Given Lauda's history as an upstanding member here, it seems most of the community believes that it wasn't really extortion.  Either way, it was ill-advised and Lauda pretty much admits that, and I do believe that's why the firing happened. 

Considering that what Lauda did is in no way a sting operation, lauda is an extortionist.

A sting operation is something 100% legal and by definition is not I'll-advised so you cannot say what lauda did was both ill-advised and a sting operation.

I will be honest and say that I have long thought you are a sock of lauda and your statements in this thread make it look more to be the case.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on August 26, 2017, 08:46:26 AM
bump

You are beating a dead horse.  The community stands behind Lauda.
behind an extortionist?

Nope.  The community has determined he is not an extortionist.

The only people to believe such are ones with questionable ethics.   :/

To me it looks like there is no consensus among the community members. You can try to dismiss this with personal attacks, but I dont think it will change someones mind. Then again, maybe my understand of 'the community' differs from yours.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 26, 2017, 09:56:44 AM
I will be honest and say that I have long thought you are a sock of lauda and your statements in this thread make it look more to be the case.
LOL
Damn, we've been exposed. :D I take it, that anyone who does not agree with the twisted reality of QS in cases related to me is either part of "my group of friends" or my "sock" account. Ironically, the latter is coming from a master account farmer/trader. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on August 26, 2017, 10:40:36 AM
To me it looks like there is no consensus among the community members. You can try to dismiss this with personal attacks, but I dont think it will change someones mind. Then again, maybe my understand of 'the community' differs from yours.
If people agreed with QS then Lauda and TMAN would have recieved more negatives than just yours. Don't you agree?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 26, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
To me it looks like there is no consensus among the community members. You can try to dismiss this with personal attacks, but I dont think it will change someones mind. Then again, maybe my understand of 'the community' differs from yours.
If people agreed with QS then Lauda and TMAN would have recieved more negatives than just yours. Don't you agree?
Considering that both have left retaliatory negative trust against everyone who left negative trust against them and that blazed and hilariousandco have kept the extortionist on their trust lists, no I do not agreee.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sho_road_warrior on August 27, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
To me it looks like there is no consensus among the community members. You can try to dismiss this with personal attacks, but I dont think it will change someones mind. Then again, maybe my understand of 'the community' differs from yours.
If people agreed with QS then Lauda and TMAN would have recieved more negatives than just yours. Don't you agree?

Agreeing with QS has become dangerous as barely anyone is willing to see their arguments and just attacks them based on their past flaws. If everyone would agree, so I would I unless I was expelled from this community without notice.

@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.


Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2017, 09:41:32 AM
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.
You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 27, 2017, 01:41:59 PM
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.
You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)
It looks like shorena is trying to prevent you from hiding how you weasel out of negative situations like this one.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 27, 2017, 02:19:03 PM
Hey QS, how's it going in cuntland today? Just thought I would pop in and say HI


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2017, 02:52:42 PM
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.
You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)
It looks like shorena is trying to prevent you from hiding how you weasel out of negative situations like this one.
I have absolutely no idea why a confirmed scammer such as yourself is commenting this or any cases at all. Must be boring in that basement, no? ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 27, 2017, 03:00:25 PM
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.
You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)
It looks like shorena is trying to prevent you from hiding how you weasel out of negative situations like this one.
I have absolutely no idea why a confirmed scammer such as yourself is commenting this or any cases at all. Must be boring in that basement, no? ::)
In other words, you can't refute my argument, so you resort to ad hominem attacks.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2017, 03:03:26 PM
In other words, you can't refute my argument, so you resort to ad hominem attacks.
Speculating about shorena's intentions is not an argument. You've made almost near-zero proper arguments in this thread, which is still almost completely flawed and includes people who are not related to the issue. Stating facts, i.e. that you're a confirmed scammer, is not ad hominem in any way. :)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on August 27, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.
You don't answer my PM, but you ask me here? ::)

This PM?

Wondering what happened to you. You don't seem the same person from mid-late 2016.

Yes I ignored it.

You ignored my question. Maybe you already forgot.

-snip-
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.

-snip-
Stating facts, i.e. that you're a confirmed scammer, is not ad hominem in any way. :)

Its exactly what ad hominem means, you try to refute the argument (you try to hide the discussion in private PMs) by talking negativly (is a scammer) about the person who (quickseller) made it. This does nothing to refute the argument, it makes you look petty. Not that this is new or anyone cares. So can we please drop this topic and focus on my question for a few posts?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Yes I ignored it.
I'm going to ignore it too then. It works both ways, as long as accounts can be escrowed all is fine I guess. ::)

Its exactly what ad hominem means, you try to refute the argument (you try to hide the discussion in private PMs) by talking negativly about the person who made it.
Nothing needs refuting in here as the thread is completely distanced from reality / no such action has been attempted. What needs to be clear to the newcomers is that QS is a confirmed scammer with near zero credibility, end-of.

So can we please drop this topic and focus on my question for a few posts?
Off-topic? Maybe you like sharing details of private transactions, but I don't. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 27, 2017, 07:02:33 PM
Yes I ignored it.
I'm going to ignore it too then.
Quote
-snip-
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.
It sounds like Lauda is unable to backup his rating in *any* way. The rating is fairly clearly retaliatory in nature.

I would suggest involving both Blazed and hilariousandco in the situation, as their credibility will be shot if they allow Lauda to remain on their trust lists.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 27, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
It sounds like Lauda is unable to backup his rating in *any* way. The rating is fairly clearly retaliatory in nature.
The rating is self-explanatory, perfectly valid and backed up. Just because I do not want to share the details with, known scammers such as yourself, that does not mean that it can't be backed up snowflake.

I would suggest involving both Blazed and hilariousandco in the situation, as their credibility will be shot if they allow Lauda to remain on their trust lists.
Everyone has been long informed about this, with the majority being surprised by shorena's actions. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: btctalkacc on August 27, 2017, 11:34:28 PM
You are so idiots. All of you. All of you scammers. I have sold accounts to at least 1/5 of DT users here.

You all scam. You are all a piece of shit.

;)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on August 28, 2017, 05:23:32 AM
I have posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2129181.0) a thread to either have hilariousandco removed from being staff or he remove Lauda from his trust list.

A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on August 28, 2017, 05:29:28 AM
I have posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2129181.0) a thread to either have hilariousandco removed from being staff or he remove Lauda from his trust list.

A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 

Quickseller is now using his alts to pretend he has support for this ridiculous accusation.

If he is not willing to stand behind his complaint, should we take it seriously?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on August 28, 2017, 05:30:08 AM
A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 

We need to start a thread titled "Quickseller - extortion attempt".   :-\


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on August 28, 2017, 05:36:34 AM
Yes I ignored it.
I'm going to ignore it too then. It works both ways, as long as accounts can be escrowed all is fine I guess. ::)

Exactly the maturity level I expected from you. You pondered in my general direction and because I didnt reply, you use it now as an excuse to avoid my direct question regarding a trust rating.



Yes I ignored it.
I'm going to ignore it too then.
Quote
-snip-
@Lauda, care to elaborate which rating you are referring to? And if u need a signed message, just ask me.

Removed previously perfectly valid trust ratings in order to manipulate the general history/view. Is in strong support of scammers such as Quickseller. Changing trust ratings on and off based on how he feels on a particular day.
Shorena does not seem alike to the person that I've used to know and have interacted in the past. I've stopped trusting them post their actions and strong support of said scammers.
It sounds like Lauda is unable to backup his rating in *any* way. The rating is fairly clearly retaliatory in nature.

I would suggest involving both Blazed and hilariousandco in the situation, as their credibility will be shot if they allow Lauda to remain on their trust lists.

Just the same intransparent shit as always with Laura, 'you may not know my reasons, but the exist. honest!!! More important people know them'.



I have posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2129181.0) a thread to either have hilariousandco removed from being staff or he remove Lauda from his trust list.

A thread regarding Blazed is forthcoming is Lauda is not removed from his trust list. 

Quickseller is now using his alts to pretend he has support for this ridiculous accusation.

If he is not willing to stand behind his complaint, should we take it seriously?

As someone who knows the repercussions of having your - or one users believe to be yours - identity revealed you can maybe understand why someone would try to avoid attribution to an argument that will be ignored because of the person that made it. Its only logical to discredit those giving Lauda their power since a conversation with Lauda is impossible.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 28, 2017, 06:25:37 AM
Exactly the maturity level I expected from you.
Remind me again: 1) Who was ignoring who, and who is revealing private messages. 2) Who is supporting scammers / account farming / escrowing account sales. ::)

Just the same intransparent shit as always with Laura, 'you may not know my reasons, but the exist. honest!!! More important people know them'.
There is absolutely no reason to reveal anything that is not necessary to people who are not relevant, especially not scammers such as QS.

..since a conversation with Lauda is impossible.
Which has nothing to do with reality / could not be further from the truth. Some people do not deserve a proper conversation from me, such as the case with OP. Others are always welcome and treated properly via the proper communication channels.

You are starting to turn into QS.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 28, 2017, 02:58:22 PM

..since a conversation with Lauda is impossible.
Others are always welcome and treated properly via the proper communication channels.
 
You literally openly admitted in the past that you troll people you believe are in a weak position. You routinely troll others who question you and ignore almost all (if not all) concerns others post about you. This statement could not be farther from the truth.

You are a bad person.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 28, 2017, 03:03:12 PM
You literally openly admitted in the past that you troll people you believe are in a weak position.
Correct, mostly friends and acquaintances who make stupid mistakes. It does not seem like you know the meaning of the word fun.

You routinely troll others who question you and ignore almost all (if not all) concerns others post about you.
I think you were referencing yourself in the following part of your post, snowflake:

This statement could not be farther from the truth.
You have no idea how and with whom I speak, not that it is any of your concern. Claiming that you know how I speak to them would be a defamatory lie. Then again, you are known for this kind of bullshit behavior. ::)

You are a bad person.
Not only are you a verified scammer, you are fully delusional as well. When you say 'bad person' you need to take a good look at the mirror first. Do I need to remind you why you have: "Trust: -241"?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on August 28, 2017, 03:11:29 PM
You are a bad person.
A bit hypocritical, isn't it?

Lol, I find it hilarious how easy it is for some people to troll zepher:D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 28, 2017, 06:30:34 PM
You literally openly admitted in the past that you troll people you believe are in a weak position.
Correct, mostly friends and acquaintances who make stupid mistakes. It does not seem like you know the meaning of the word fun.
That is literally the opposite of the context of what you said and is the opposite of your actions.
Quote
You routinely troll others who question you and ignore almost all (if not all) concerns others post about you.
I think you were referencing yourself in the following part of your post, snowflake:
No. although you do troll me in order to avoid addressing my concerns publicly, you troll many, many other people who you view to be in a position of weakness. You like to address concerns privately because you are less likely to be called out on your BS, and can more easily explain away that you were mistaken when someone finds a discrepancy in what you say.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 28, 2017, 06:33:29 PM
That is literally the opposite of the context of what you said and is the opposite of your actions.
That is literally a lie, and literally not what I said / meant / did.

although you do troll me in order to avoid addressing my concerns publicly, you troll many, many other people who you view to be in a position of weakness.
Calling you out on your stupidity and bullshit does not equal trolling, snowflake.

You like to address concerns privately because you are less likely to be called out on your BS, and can more easily explain away that you were mistaken when someone finds a discrepancy in what you say.
Speculation. You've yet to provide a single shred of proof for any of your accusations. Dance, my puppet, dance. :)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: LittleBitFunny on August 29, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
I just wasted fifteen minutes of my worthless life reading through this thread.  It shocks me that several other people have done the same and even took the time to make "arguments" on it.

The only meaningful content in the last three pages has been one question from shorena which no one bothered to answer.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 29, 2017, 05:46:58 PM
I just wasted fifteen minutes of my worthless life reading through this thread.  It shocks me that several other people have done the same and even took the time to make "arguments" on it.

The only meaningful content in the last three pages has been one question from shorena which no one bothered to answer.

Unfortunitly lauda and friends have been attempting to derail the thread in order to distract from their criminal activity.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 29, 2017, 05:49:58 PM
Unfortunitly lauda and friends have been attempting to derail the thread in order to distract from their criminal activity.
Pointing out that you: 1) are a scammer, 2) have a distorted view of reality, 3) do not even closely portray what happened / refuse to remove people not involved, 4) call out people for things that you actually do yourself, is not derailing anything snowflake. Facts.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Vod on August 29, 2017, 08:12:35 PM
Unfortunitly lauda and friends have been attempting to derail the thread in order to distract from their criminal activity.

Curious:  Do you not see yourself as a criminal, QS?  You did scammy things in the past - now you are accusing others of doing what you yourself did.

You have no ethics.  :/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on August 30, 2017, 05:18:13 AM
-snip-
Which has nothing to do with reality / could not be further from the truth. Some people do not deserve a proper conversation from me, such as the case with OP. Others are always welcome and treated properly via the proper communication channels.

You are starting to turn into QS.

I have always prefered open communictaion over PMs. 3rd post, you still didnt answer me, yet still say you would as long as I behave like you want me to. This is not how communications works. This is how you threat those that receive a rating from you, usually added with some bad memes and mockery. Which is why you got the rating from me, you still bully people, be it not with extortions but with more subtle ways. Talking to you makes no sense, talking to those giving you power makes no sense and the rest of the community is behind you as well. I said above what this would lead to.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 30, 2017, 07:16:01 AM
I have always prefered open communictaion over PMs.
I prefer the opposite.

3rd post, you still didnt answer me, yet still say you would as long as I behave like you want me to. This is not how communications works.
Considering the way you've behaved, people which you support, and everything you've done in the meantime, you do not deserve anyone answering any of your requests. You very well know what you did, and if you do not then you should not be in DT to begin with.1

This is how you threat those that receive a rating from you, usually added with some bad memes and mockery.
Damn, those memes hurt a lot / totally don't make people laugh. ::)

Which is why you got the rating from me, you still bully people, be it not with extortions but with more subtle ways.
Talk about validity of ratings and support for freedom of speech. +1. :)

Talking to you makes no sense, talking to those giving you power makes no sense and the rest of the community is behind you as well.
Tl;dr: "Nobody supports my cause / view, yet I persist in thinking that I am the one who is right.". Got it.

[1] I tend to have a nice eye for changes, occasionally.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: btctalkacc on August 31, 2017, 01:28:34 AM
@lauda, i have a new hero member for sell. i sent you a pm


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 31, 2017, 06:17:45 AM
@lauda, i have a new hero member for sell. i sent you a pm
1) You have not sent me anything / I am not interested.
2) Talk to the master account puppeteer, the OP. He is likely to be interested.
3) If you need an escrow that likes to escrow account sales, then contact shorena. :)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: btctalkacc on August 31, 2017, 08:07:50 AM
@lauda, i have a new hero member for sell. i sent you a pm
1) You have not sent me anything / I am not interested.
2) Talk to the master account puppeteer, the OP. He is likely to be interested.
3) If you need an escrow that likes to escrow account sales, then contact shorena. :)

sure, I still have the pm's ;)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on August 31, 2017, 08:09:51 AM
@lauda, i have a new hero member for sell. i sent you a pm
1) You have not sent me anything / I am not interested.
2) Talk to the master account puppeteer, the OP. He is likely to be interested.
3) If you need an escrow that likes to escrow account sales, then contact shorena. :)
sure, I still have the pm's ;)
Quoted for reference and left a negative rating for defamation / lying.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: btctalkacc on August 31, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
If anyone want just shot me a PM. I wil share the username of accounts bought by Lauda by PM.

I would never give a shit about this guy but when I see he replies to his own posts...it is making me sick...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on August 31, 2017, 07:15:13 PM
If anyone want just shot me a PM. I wil share the username of accounts bought by Lauda by PM.

I would never give a shit about this guy but when I see he replies to his own posts...it is making me sick...

Please PM me the details, I believe you are lying but prove me wrong


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Mindin on August 31, 2017, 10:41:45 PM
If anyone want just shot me a PM. I wil share the username of accounts bought by Lauda by PM.

I would never give a shit about this guy but when I see he replies to his own posts...it is making me sick...

Yes, you are very sick. A sick sick person.

You should go get help.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Reynaldo on September 06, 2017, 04:55:25 AM
Its funny how QS find him self on so much drama on this forum.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on September 06, 2017, 05:14:57 AM
Its funny how QS find him self on so much drama on this forum.
I think it is sad how multiple people can run around extorting people without any kind of consequences.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on September 06, 2017, 06:49:41 AM
[...] I think it is sad how multiple people can run around extorting people without any kind of consequences.

If you think that in this case there weren't "any kind of consequences" then you either weren't paying attention or you're plain lying.

As this reply was right here in this topic:

[...] Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)

It seems to be the latter...   :-X


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 06, 2017, 06:52:02 AM
[...] I think it is sad how multiple people can run around extorting people without any kind of consequences.
...
or you're plain lying.
...
It seems to be the latter...   :-X
You took the words right out of my (cat) mouth. :D Then again, QS has a very high tendency to be a hypocrite, lie, etc. Just read through the thread in which he was exposed to be a scammer.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on September 06, 2017, 05:10:53 PM
[...] I think it is sad how multiple people can run around extorting people without any kind of consequences.

If you think that in this case there weren't "any kind of consequences" then you either weren't paying attention or you're plain lying.

As this reply was right here in this topic:

[...] Lauda is no longer a staff member (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1761133.msg17608446#msg17608446)

It seems to be the latter...   :-X
Okay, fair enough, he has suffered some consequences, although his co-conspirators have not, at least not directly related to this incident. Lauda also still has significant power/authority that is not appropriate for an extortionist to have.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 06, 2017, 05:17:28 PM
Man, I must have costed you and your alts a lot of money by tagging farmed accounts, abusers et. al. Don't get me started on the *escrows* of this forum. Otherwise you wouldn't be pursing this until your grave. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on September 06, 2017, 06:23:39 PM
[...] Lauda also still has significant power/authority [...]

That should tell you something/everything.

Now start acting accordingly (or at least: in your own best interest).

And please, PLEASE STOP:

https://media.giphy.com/media/RL0xU1daTlMoE/giphy.gif



Man, I must have costed [Quickseller] and [his] alts a lot of money by tagging farmed accounts, abusers et. al. Don't get me started on the *escrows* of this forum. Otherwise [he] wouldn't be pursing this until [his] grave. ::)

Sure seems like it...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Deathspell-Omega on September 14, 2017, 05:51:07 AM
bump

Should I bump your face Quickscammer.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: StraddleHQ on September 14, 2017, 05:22:43 PM
bump

Should I bump your face Quickscammer.
Extortion ,ransom are considered as felony crimes and some countries like UAE and Swiss have a serious consequences for it. Even in US there is upto 4 years of imprisonment(I guess). Was any Legal action was taken against the extortionists?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 14, 2017, 07:23:00 PM
Extortion ,ransom are considered as felony crimes and some countries like UAE and Swiss have a serious consequences for it. Even in US there is upto 4 years of imprisonment(I guess). Was any Legal action was taken against the extortionists?
No legal action was taken as there is no basis to do so. Anyhow, considering that this is pushed by mostly criminals (excluding shorena :roll_eyes:), there will be no legal action of any kind unless they want to go to prison themselves. E.g. OP is a chronic scammer that got busted for stealing escrow pennies. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: raW livE on September 15, 2017, 11:36:30 AM
Extortion ,ransom are considered as felony crimes and some countries like UAE and Swiss have a serious consequences for it. Even in US there is upto 4 years of imprisonment(I guess). Was any Legal action was taken against the extortionists?
No legal action was taken as there is no basis to do so. Anyhow, considering that this is pushed by mostly criminals (excluding shorena :roll_eyes:), there will be no legal action of any kind unless they want to go to prison themselves. E.g. OP is a chronic scammer that got busted for stealing escrow pennies. ::)

I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 15, 2017, 11:42:05 AM
I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.
1) Nothing illegal has happened. 2) Have fun looking for me in Germany. :-*

/me waits for the next shill to appear, behavior that QS obviously condones.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on September 15, 2017, 02:54:06 PM
I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.
Why are you contacting German authorities when no one involved lives in Germany?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 15, 2017, 04:36:13 PM
I will be contacting the german authorisities about this. Also in Germany extortion is illegal and you can be sentenced up to 5 years in prison.
And life in a female prison in Germany is no walk in the park Lauda hunny.
Luckily I have good Connections to the German Legal Authoristies.
Why are you contacting German authorities when no one involved lives in Germany?
Error 404 on that user: Brain not found. I'll wait for his lawyers to come to Mars, although I'm not sure how my cat empire would respond to such hostility. :-X


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TECSHARE on September 15, 2017, 06:57:51 PM

This should be Quickseller's profile pic.
-Signed professional dead horse beater.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zeroxal on September 17, 2017, 09:47:53 PM
This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on September 17, 2017, 11:01:49 PM
This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.
Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists. Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on September 18, 2017, 05:59:04 AM
This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.
OP isn't exactly a healthy individual (see some remarks on their trust ratings), thus don't expect this to dissapear within the next few years. For a confirmation, see the 'beating a dead horse' references above your post.

Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists.
They do no watch my every move all the time, so this statement is bullshit.

Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.
This is also another lie from you, see this user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828742). The people who got their ratings, got for their trustworthiness. A scammer such as yourself would know a thing or two about the latter, wouldn't you? ::)



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on September 22, 2017, 07:16:21 AM
This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.
OP isn't exactly a healthy individual (see some remarks on their trust ratings), thus don't expect this to dissapear within the next few years. For a confirmation, see the 'beating a dead horse' references above your post.

Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists.
They do no watch my every move all the time, so this statement is bullshit.

Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.
This is also another lie from you, see this user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=828742). The people who got their ratings, got for their trustworthiness. A scammer such as yourself would know a thing or two about the latter, wouldn't you? ::)

Lauda, aren't you located in Bulgaria like your buddie cryptodevil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22076727#msg22076727) ???

No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

or is it that I am Lauda? aren't we all Lauda?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: 404Revolution on September 22, 2017, 04:55:52 PM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

or is it that I am Lauda? aren't we all Lauda?

No, if I were Lauda I'd kill myself.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on September 23, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zepher on September 23, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Lol, do you think TMAN actually cares whether you believe him or not? Let alone answering such a ridiculous question. How would you know whether he Googled the answer anyway?

I can say that he does indeed live there, has done for several months now.



I wish this thread would just die already.. God. That dead horse gif is more than adequate right about now.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: 404Revolution on September 23, 2017, 04:38:14 PM
Since Lauda is no longer a moderator because of blatant extortion he/she should be given default trust rating instead of level 3.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: anonymoustroll420 on September 23, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
Lol, do you think TMAN actually cares whether you believe him or not? Let alone answering such a ridiculous question. How would you know whether he Googled the answer anyway?

I can say that he does indeed live there, has done for several months now.



I wish this thread would just die already.. God. That dead horse gif is more than adequate right about now.


In Bulgaria, extorting people on the internet is considered a rather nice way to spend a rainy day, part of the culture. If you are caught you just need to pay the government man $10 to stamp your paperwork that says your innocent. If he's only been there for several months that implies he wasn't born there, so chances are he has left now and nobody spends more than a few months in that shithole.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on September 24, 2017, 04:26:41 AM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Left to right as it's fucking confusing. Like stupid anoyibg as you end up walking off thinking someone has said no, then realise 3 seconds later as they say "dah" or however yes is pronounced


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on September 25, 2017, 07:38:18 AM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Left to right as it's fucking confusing. Like stupid anoyibg as you end up walking off thinking someone has said no, then realise 3 seconds later as they say "dah" or however yes is pronounced
You are a scumbag who will eventually rot in hell. Anyone who does business with you is asking to get screwed over.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on September 25, 2017, 07:41:16 AM
No Lauda isnt in Bulgaria, but I am! so what...

I don't believe you!

Answer this question, how do Bulgarian's shake their head to say yes? No Googling!

Left to right as it's fucking confusing. Like stupid anoyibg as you end up walking off thinking someone has said no, then realise 3 seconds later as they say "dah" or however yes is pronounced
You are a scumbag who will eventually rot in hell. Anyone who does business with you is asking to get screwed over.

Hey QS.. wrong account again?

people who do business with me don't complain fella - I am fair and a straight shooter.. unlike yourself.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: isoneguy on September 25, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Lauda, aren't you located in Bulgaria like your buddie cryptodevil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22076727#msg22076727) ???

##Here
##0x
##1t
SET Lauda=merylche
Start.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on September 27, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
BUMP!

thought I would get in before you QS?

how is the basement today? still dreaming about seeing some titties other than your mothers?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: gorgon666 on October 03, 2017, 06:22:03 AM
BUMP!

thought I would get in before you QS?

how is the basement today? still dreaming about seeing some titties other than your mothers?
You appear to be a petty person.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: WannaCry on October 12, 2017, 02:47:04 PM
Now, bitcoin has become more popular than ever, of course there will be scammers. Not just about the popularity, but the fact that it's value is immeasurable and can make someone filthy rich. So, we need to be more careful on everything.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Zepher on October 12, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Now, bitcoin has become more popular than ever, of course there will be scammers. Not just about the popularity, but the fact that it's value is immeasurable and can make someone filthy rich. So, we need to be more careful on everything.

Thanks for your much appreciated input. We'll all make sure to remember those lines of wisdom.

/s


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: shorena on October 13, 2017, 07:27:37 PM
Considering the way you've behaved, people which you support, and everything you've done in the meantime, you do not deserve anyone answering any of your requests. You very well know what you did, and if you do not then you should not be in DT to begin with.1

Again, feel free to share the accusation openly or with the admins that put me on DT and ask them for my removal.

This is how you threat those that receive a rating from you, usually added with some bad memes and mockery.
Damn, those memes hurt a lot / totally don't make people laugh. ::)

The point is that you dont take those you give negative ratings seriously, when they try looking for answer, you mock them. You can mock me all you want, I dont care. Well obviously I care enough to read up every few weeks and to have left you a rating.

Which is why you got the rating from me, you still bully people, be it not with extortions but with more subtle ways.
Talk about validity of ratings and support for freedom of speech. +1. :)

Freedom of speech does not apply here, neither you nor I are governments. Well, at least I aint, maybe you consider yourself a state nowadays.

[1] I tend to have a nice eye for changes, occasionally.

nebulös.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on October 13, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
Now, bitcoin has become more popular than ever, of course there will be scammers. Not just about the popularity, but the fact that it's value is immeasurable and can make someone filthy rich. So, we need to be more careful on everything.

Thanks for your much appreciated input. We'll all make sure to remember those lines of wisdom.

/s

http://www.rantlifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Obama-Magnfying-Glass.jpg


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on October 23, 2017, 05:14:51 PM
Hey QS. How's it hanging down there in your parents basement??

I have only bumped this thread as I thought of you this morning.. I was sitting on the toilet and was really struggling to get my shit out... this isn't normal for me as I am regular as clockwork.  Anyway I was really struggling, I mean this shit was fucking massive, you know the type I'm talking about, I like to call it a water touch as that's what it does, it hits the water before it's even broken off. Anyway there I am in total marvel at the size of this shit and I started thinking of other massive shits... so that's how you came to my mind.. me naked sat on the bog thinking about smelly shits...

Bro It's quite like that 5BTC you put into nastyscams.. I bet you regret that investment, imagine if you still had that btc... you might of been able to move out on your own..

Ciao... catch ya soon bro


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Sweeet on November 25, 2017, 07:04:15 PM
bump
bump
Just a small bump to keep this at the top
Bump, can't let this get away from first page
Just here for a friendly bump
bumping for visibility
https://warzone.gg/images/inventory/trails/thonk_trail.png


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: cjmoles on November 25, 2017, 07:34:57 PM
You guys are all in here throwing stones at one another while the big U.S. exchanges are doing "shakey" things with people's coin. Are you paying attention?  Accounts are being frozen, extensive proof of identity documentation is being requested, and assets are not being released even after submitting proof of identity.  You guys are a big part of the community, so set aside your differences, and pay attention to what's taking place on the blockchain.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463202.msg25212971#msg25212971


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: sellkeysHasBeenhacked on December 21, 2017, 09:20:46 AM
woow this best thread must pump.

Lauda you damn.  :D :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: molecularman on January 14, 2018, 03:19:59 AM
I don't know how he isn't just outright banned.   He uses his status as his own personal vendetta machine.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 14, 2018, 03:30:30 AM
I don't know how he isn't just outright banned.   He uses his status as his own personal vendetta machine.
nepotism runs rampant around here. 


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Nomercyforthedirty on January 18, 2018, 09:46:32 PM
I support Quickseller in this thread. Lauda has extorted people and continues to have power and to abuse it by leaving negative feedback based on their daily mood.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: 8xbt.com on January 19, 2018, 04:55:34 AM
Fully agree with the action of Quickseller to expose these trust system abuser. Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on January 19, 2018, 06:52:48 AM
Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.
Huh? Who are you again?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on January 19, 2018, 07:21:22 AM
Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.
Huh? Who are you again?
A hacked/sold account.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on January 19, 2018, 07:35:13 AM
Fully agree with the action of Quickseller to expose these trust system abuser. Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.

Hey old buddy QS hows things??  I don't remember dialing order a cunt.. but one seems to of turned up here anyway!!

https://i.imgur.com/979MMau.jpg

maybe one day you may actually get a life..

you never know if you leave your mums basement you might even make some RL friends, even get a boyfriend or girlfriend

anyway - have a great day sweet cheeks!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 20, 2018, 05:16:39 AM
Fully agree with the action of Quickseller to expose these trust system abuser. Also, seeing the disgusting minifrij always replying to these thread made people feel sickening.
minifrij likes to blindly support his friends. Even if they are engaging in illegal and/or scammy and/or unethical behavior.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Nomercyforthedirty on January 21, 2018, 03:41:45 PM
Bump for visibility. The cancer of the forum Lauda and his alts must die.



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on January 21, 2018, 03:46:53 PM
https://i.imgur.com/979MMau.jpg


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Nomercyforthedirty on January 21, 2018, 07:43:38 PM
Add The Pharmacist to the list. Look how many threads are open now that he is abusing his power in Meta and Reputation.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on January 26, 2018, 08:29:25 AM
Bump for visibility. The cancer of the forum Lauda and his alts must die.



As said by an alt account. The irony....


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on January 26, 2018, 01:54:26 PM
Ah so this is new for me. I've been rated by a negative trust from Lauda and I tried to explain myself providing proofs I was innocent and tried in every way like a good member to talk first and asking a second chance. So I checked it and I saw Lauda is involved in this extortion attempt and account sales (I know it was allowed here before). And I see Lauda deserved a second chance because it seems that what she did was in good intentions even knowing extortion is a crime (reason I tagged her, I do not trust anyone doing that).


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Thule on January 27, 2018, 11:20:10 PM
Still the same people


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 02:54:54 AM
Show must go on!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on February 15, 2018, 08:22:10 AM
Still the same people
Prove it.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 15, 2018, 08:41:41 AM
Being new here, I would like to know why you are always very blindly backing lauda and his questionable decisions, including when he lies and extorts people out of their hard earned money. As an avid tor user, I am an expert in staying anon, and love advertising so.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on February 15, 2018, 08:54:16 AM
Being new here, I would like to know why you are always very blindly backing lauda and his questionable decisions, including when he lies and extorts people out of their hard earned money. As an avid tor user, I am an expert in staying anon, and love advertising so.

wrong account?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 15, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
Being new here, I would like to know why you are always very blindly backing lauda and his questionable decisions, including when he lies and extorts people out of their hard earned money. As an avid tor user, I am an expert in staying anon, and love advertising so.

wrong account?
No. Being new here, I want to make it very clear that I am new here. I also want to point out that I checked the archives and have confirmed that minifrij likes to blindly back lauda even when lauda is very clearly in the wrong.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on February 15, 2018, 09:57:16 AM
I also want to point out that I checked the archives and have confirmed that minifrij likes to blindly back lauda even when lauda is very clearly in the wrong.
I've been over this previously, and cannot be bothered to dig up the quote on mobile. I'm sure you can use aome of those detective skills to find it.

I'm also not sure why you're meming about nullius.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on February 15, 2018, 09:35:35 PM
https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a0360336790_10.jpg


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: AlehandroTheGreat on February 16, 2018, 01:45:51 PM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on February 16, 2018, 01:47:48 PM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: AlehandroTheGreat on February 16, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha

I do not know, wtf u mean by "farmed", but Lauda put me shitty neg trust for, one transaction from me to my friend, and when I gives 1000+1 proofs, that she is wrong, she only say:"Ha-ha".....and nothing!!! I never know about such clowns as Lauda, but now I see, that this "clown" is simply abusing his power in all the ways without any real use..... I will repeat again, one day that shitty abusing will end, and all those kings will be kicked from the forum, cuz nobody need them  :-*


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: cjmoles on February 16, 2018, 06:29:07 PM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha

I do not know, wtf u mean by "farmed", but Lauda put me shitty neg trust for, one transaction from me to my friend, and when I gives 1000+1 proofs, that she is wrong, she only say:"Ha-ha".....and nothing!!! I never know about such clowns as Lauda, but now I see, that this "clown" is simply abusing his power in all the ways without any real use..... I will repeat again, one day that shitty abusing will end, and all those kings will be kicked from the forum, cuz nobody need them  :-*

+1

I keep waiting for the trust abuse issue to be resolved; however, as long as they are colluding with one another, it looks like it will never be resolved.  They have been using the trust system to "game" the forum for years now.  There are very few DT members that can be trusted....I have my trust level settings set at DT1....I don't give any credit to anybody on the DT2 list (in fact ---> I believe they are the BIGGEST thieves on the forum) because many of them are actively colluding with one another in abusive schemes....So, because it does not look like it will change, the best thing we can do is just recognize the abuses and be aware that those people held in high esteem by the trust system are actually those who are the least trustworthy ---> when I see the green ratings, I automatically think that they are scammers; maybe that's "my bad," but it's true!  My advice is to develop your own trust network and don't rely on an arbitrary reputation algorithm to make personal decisions....trust is earned.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on February 17, 2018, 09:50:21 AM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha

I do not know, wtf u mean by "farmed", but Lauda put me shitty neg trust for, one transaction from me to my friend, and when I gives 1000+1 proofs, that she is wrong, she only say:"Ha-ha".....and nothing!!! I never know about such clowns as Lauda, but now I see, that this "clown" is simply abusing his power in all the ways without any real use..... I will repeat again, one day that shitty abusing will end, and all those kings will be kicked from the forum, cuz nobody need them  :-*

+1

I keep waiting for the trust abuse issue to be resolved; however, as long as they are colluding with one another, it looks like it will never be resolved.  They have been using the trust system to "game" the forum for years now.  There are very few DT members that can be trusted....I have my trust level settings set at DT1....I don't give any credit to anybody on the DT2 list (in fact ---> I believe they are the BIGGEST thieves on the forum) because many of them are actively colluding with one another in abusive schemes....So, because it does not look like it will change, the best thing we can do is just recognize the abuses and be aware that those people held in high esteem by the trust system are actually those who are the least trustworthy ---> when I see the green ratings, I automatically think that they are scammers; maybe that's "my bad," but it's true!  My advice is to develop your own trust network and don't rely on an arbitrary reputation algorithm to make personal decisions....trust is earned.
Can you name those robbers? also is their anyone from India in your list?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Red Painter on February 18, 2018, 06:45:48 AM
I was so happy, when I saw, that "Lauda"- kid, was kicked from DT2.....  now I saw, that scammers are still in the game :( ehh, one day, Lauda will be officially banned from this forum for her stupid speculations, time will show...

says another farmed account.. ha ha ha

I do not know, wtf u mean by "farmed", but Lauda put me shitty neg trust for, one transaction from me to my friend, and when I gives 1000+1 proofs, that she is wrong, she only say:"Ha-ha".....and nothing!!! I never know about such clowns as Lauda, but now I see, that this "clown" is simply abusing his power in all the ways without any real use..... I will repeat again, one day that shitty abusing will end, and all those kings will be kicked from the forum, cuz nobody need them  :-*

+1

I keep waiting for the trust abuse issue to be resolved; however, as long as they are colluding with one another, it looks like it will never be resolved.  They have been using the trust system to "game" the forum for years now.  There are very few DT members that can be trusted....I have my trust level settings set at DT1....I don't give any credit to anybody on the DT2 list (in fact ---> I believe they are the BIGGEST thieves on the forum) because many of them are actively colluding with one another in abusive schemes....So, because it does not look like it will change, the best thing we can do is just recognize the abuses and be aware that those people held in high esteem by the trust system are actually those who are the least trustworthy ---> when I see the green ratings, I automatically think that they are scammers; maybe that's "my bad," but it's true!  My advice is to develop your own trust network and don't rely on an arbitrary reputation algorithm to make personal decisions....trust is earned.
Can you name those robbers? also is their anyone from India in your list?

To my knowledge there is no DT1 or DT2 from India. Most of them (atleast the active ones) are from USA and EU


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: AlehandroTheGreat on February 23, 2018, 11:24:17 PM
bump
The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on February 23, 2018, 11:33:04 PM
bump
The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?

What are you smoking? There was never anything that came of it... How many times do we all have to repeat the same stupid info?

NO, there will be zero legal action by anyone you stupid internet troll. Get a life and a clue.  ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on February 24, 2018, 04:59:47 AM
bump
The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?
Have you ever study your nation laws? One does not should use online for Extorting, and these people get long lasting Prison without help.

In India Assisting frauds also Unlawful and cops are too tracking for Online Criminal offenses. It's not for the Mods it will go to the FBI and nation cops.

BTW can you tell whether Extorting is allowed in your country?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 24, 2018, 05:05:01 AM
bump
The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?
Have you ever study your nation laws? One does not should use online for Extorting, and these people get long lasting Prison without help.

In India Assisting frauds also Unlawful and cops are too tracking for Online Criminal offenses. It's not for the Mods it will go to the FBI and nation cops.

BTW can you tell whether Extorting is allowed in your country?
Extortion is on the books as being illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction. Some countries will enforce it more strictly than others though.

If law enforcement is aware of extortion or an attempt thereof in either TMANs or minfrjs country, they will likely pursue it if they know who they are. Investigating this will probably not be a high priority if they don’t have a complaint or tip. Someone who knows their IRL identity should report them to their local law enforcement.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: scam_detector on February 27, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 27, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: scam_detector on February 27, 2018, 03:02:23 PM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. ;)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on February 27, 2018, 03:02:55 PM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

because he is a troll and a cunt.

so he came into the nearest thread started by another trolling cunt and posted some useless nonsense!

makes perfect sense to me cunty


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: scam_detector on February 27, 2018, 05:11:17 PM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

because he is a troll and a cunt.

so he came into the nearest thread started by another trolling cunt and posted some useless nonsense!

makes perfect sense to me cunty


An a**licker does what an ass**licker does.  :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 12:54:54 AM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. ;)
Well it seems your thread is another example of Lauda attempting to distract from serious allegations involving his friends and business partners. He came pretty close to being successful at derailing the thread, and probably would have if theymos had not looked into the incident.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on February 28, 2018, 01:41:51 AM
Is Lauda in prison already?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: scam_detector on February 28, 2018, 02:42:56 AM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. ;)
Well it seems your thread is another example of Lauda attempting to distract from serious allegations involving his friends and business partners. He came pretty close to being successful at derailing the thread, and probably would have if theymos had not looked into the incident.

Oh man. Both of you are suffering from persecutory delusions. I give a shit on you and also on Lauda. The only thing you both do all day is to blame you. Like little kids. My God, grow up. Both of you should leave your house more to enjoy your life. Which adult person has "enemies" on the internet? You do not need to answer my question at all. I will not discuss with you or with anyone else about your toddler disputes.  ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on February 28, 2018, 02:47:46 AM
I think this thread is also relevant.

Why I think User "alia" is a (potential) scammer? User "aTriz" maybe involved! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0)
Why do you think this is related

I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. ;)
Well it seems your thread is another example of Lauda attempting to distract from serious allegations involving his friends and business partners. He came pretty close to being successful at derailing the thread, and probably would have if theymos had not looked into the incident.

Oh man. Both of you are suffering from persecutory delusions. I give a shit on you and also on Lauda. The only thing you both do all day is to blame you. Like little kids. My God, grow up. Both of you should leave your house more to enjoy your life. Which adult person has "enemies" on the internet? You do not need to answer my question at all. I will not discuss with you or with anyone else about your toddler disputes.  ::)
Lol. Noted.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 02, 2018, 11:20:56 AM
bump
The same here, so, will be any legal action from mods side against Lauda and her puppet team?
Have you ever study your nation laws? One does not should use online for Extorting, and these people get long lasting Prison without help.

In India Assisting frauds also Unlawful and cops are too tracking for Online Criminal offenses. It's not for the Mods it will go to the FBI and nation cops.

BTW can you tell whether Extorting is allowed in your country?
Extortion is on the books as being illegal in pretty much every jurisdiction. Some countries will enforce it more strictly than others though.

If law enforcement is aware of extortion or an attempt thereof in either TMANs or minfrjs country, they will likely pursue it if they know who they are. Investigating this will probably not be a high priority if they don’t have a complaint or tip. Someone who knows their IRL identity should report them to their local law enforcement.
I thought to report this thread at https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us , but don't know the Country which Lauda lives. In the past few years back when I contacted them they said to contact the local police for any theft online that occurred.

We should have more details and people engaged in this group should be sent to appropriate Juridification.

It is not hard to get everything nowadays, as every nation put tight circumstances to capture fraudsters on internet. I think IP is best way to capture these people to put in JAIL.

Leaving these kind of people will become more fraudsters so we should report until the police arrest happens.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 02, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
I thought to report this thread at https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us , but don't know the Country which Lauda lives. In the past few years back when I contacted them they said to contact the local police for any theft online that occurred.

We should have more details and people engaged in this group should be sent to appropriate Juridification.

It is not hard to get everything nowadays, as every nation put tight circumstances to capture fraudsters on internet. I think IP is best way to capture these people to put in JAIL.

Leaving these kind of people will become more fraudsters so we should report until the police arrest happens.

not everyone lives in the USA...

as Keyboard warriors like QS like to say.... come at me bro!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 02, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
I thought to report this thread at https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us , but don't know the Country which Lauda lives. In the past few years back when I contacted them they said to contact the local police for any theft online that occurred.

We should have more details and people engaged in this group should be sent to appropriate Juridification.

It is not hard to get everything nowadays, as every nation put tight circumstances to capture fraudsters on internet. I think IP is best way to capture these people to put in JAIL.

Leaving these kind of people will become more fraudsters so we should report until the police arrest happens.

not everyone lives in the USA...

as Keyboard warriors like QS like to say.... come at me bro!

So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 02, 2018, 01:42:03 PM
So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?

Did you read the logs of what happened? or are you only using the "Evidence" that QS provided?

I am curious to know.. as we all understand what a great source QS is for any international legal matters. Even "if" laws were actually broken, which jurisdiction were they broken in? you understand that multiple countries are involved here don't you?

anyway - keep on busying yourself with your Erection for Lauda because they tagged you.  I will say I have known Lauda for a few years, we talk off forum and I haven't got a fucking scooby where they are based..



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on March 02, 2018, 02:51:53 PM

So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?

Did you read the logs of what happened? or are you only using the "Evidence" that QS provided?

I am curious to know.. as we all understand what a great source QS is for any international legal matters. Even "if" laws were actually broken, which jurisdiction were they broken in? you understand that multiple countries are involved here don't you?

anyway - keep on busying yourself with your Erection for Lauda because they tagged you.  I will say I have known Lauda for a few years, we talk off forum and I haven't got a fucking scooby where they are based..


[/quote]Poor Tman, still trying to defend the indefensible.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 02, 2018, 03:04:39 PM
Quote

So the rest of countries are loop? or do they don't have online cops?

Did you read the logs of what happened? or are you only using the "Evidence" that QS provided?

I am curious to know.. as we all understand what a great source QS is for any international legal matters. Even "if" laws were actually broken, which jurisdiction were they broken in? you understand that multiple countries are involved here don't you?

anyway - keep on busying yourself with your Erection for Lauda because they tagged you.  I will say I have known Lauda for a few years, we talk off forum and I haven't got a fucking scooby where they are based..

I am studying a lot of Lauda from the last 2 months and the crap content such as unpleasant factors here. When you are on community boards should act like a individual, could you let me know the your nation, so I can further find Authority.

Lauda may marked me, but its just a tag not a prison or no help. So the law won't implement to lauda,  you or anyone from your list?
P.s give me your ID's I will report to your local authorities along with this thread and then we see the fun what they can do.

Also you must know at what stages is in lauda in Default Trust.
Edited for the quotes.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 02, 2018, 07:34:35 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: JayJuanGee on March 02, 2018, 08:48:44 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?

There seem to be a team of excited peeps in this thread that fail or refuse to go back an look at how their posts look (and fix the post if the quote is ambiguous).

Regarding describing describing Lauda as a "they," even though Lauda has proclaimed to be a cat (which is surely questionable), she has also conceded (or admitted to being female), so I see no reason to refer to her as either a "they" or a "he".

Even though I would not consider Lauda to be a shit poster, I particularly like this meme of the shitposting cat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITSW9QTBAlw)..  and I am almost 100% certain that Lauda knows about these kinds of shit posting cats and would not be afraid to give them negative trust, if warranted - even if she considers them to be part of the "objectively verifiable" NOT so friendly feline family.  :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 02, 2018, 10:00:07 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
This started when your co-conspirator misquoted someone here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg31412110#msg31412110), and everyone since then just used the 'quote' button.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 02, 2018, 10:08:58 PM
This started when your co-conspirator misquoted someone here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.msg31412110#msg31412110), and everyone since then just used the 'quote' button.
In which case, replace 'neither' with 'none'.

your co-conspirator
No thanks.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 03, 2018, 04:00:50 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 03, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,

It was me on mobile. Fixed now fuckface


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 03, 2018, 05:25:54 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,

It was me on mobile. Fixed now fuckface
I already fixed it in my part, P.s do you belong to Australia, France or UK? In these countries they have strict laws, but still here people are not taking care of such laws.



Title: Quickspazzer being a spaz
Post by: TMAN on March 03, 2018, 05:36:20 PM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,

It was me on mobile. Fixed now fuckface
I already fixed it in my part, P.s do you belong to Australia, France or UK? In these countries they have strict laws, but still here people are not taking care of such laws.



None of the above fucktard.. it must be annoying being so butt hurt over a neg


Title: Re: Quickspazzer being a spaz
Post by: endlasuresh on March 04, 2018, 04:01:48 AM
Can neither of you goofballs quote posts properly?
Sorry, it was quoted by another goofball that is a Hero Member. BTW which part of world you belong,

It was me on mobile. Fixed now fuckface
I already fixed it in my part, P.s do you belong to Australia, France or UK? In these countries they have strict laws, but still here people are not taking care of such laws.



None of the above fucktard.. it must be annoying being so butt hurt over a neg
LOL, is this adverse believe in is something for my lifestyle or have to do? Your Lauda already shown nothing here in this boards except declaring something that he had energy.

I don't get Buttocks harm unless battling with fraudsters.

Also is initially you used BTC forums from mobile? if the above three are not then which nation you are?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 04, 2018, 11:22:07 PM
I updated the OP to add more conspirators.

It appears this is a much more serious situation than I had previously realized.
Quote from: QS
I now believe this to be more serious than an extortion attempt to 'investigate a crime/scam' but was also a coverup attempt when TMAN called (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17577013#msg17577013) zeroxal's mother. I understand this call was telling her that the harassment of zeroxal's family would continue if zeroxal did not stop accusing lauda of his extortion attempt. I also understand that this was not the only phone call to zeroxal's family members that were made by what I now believe to be essentially a gang.

I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue.

If theres no one complaining (real investor) who is actually involve in the matter that you guys are accusing him then this case is closed.
Oh you mean like in a similar thread against me, where the only affected party has dropped the case almost a year ago, Quickscammer keeps bumping it up? ::) You have a non argument. For equality's sake, the case is to remain wide open and should be bumped until unresolved questions are answered.
We had enough preemptive locking recently.

Are you talking about when you signed a message trying to extort someone for BTC and then your cohorts harassed the victim going as far as to contact his family members until he agreed to not pursue anything against you? Ya, same thing.  ::)

I did nothing wrong. There were no victims. Nobody on this thread was involved. It’s sad that you continue to destroy any shred of credibility you once had.


[1]In a conspiracy, the criminal action of one conspirator is the actions of all other conspirators.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 04, 2018, 11:24:33 PM
Oh boy, now we're cranking up the heat!

I think it's rather silly to be adding these people so long after, but what do I know. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 04, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
Oh boy, now we're cranking up the heat!

I think it's rather silly to be adding these people so long after, but what do I know. ::)

Not sure why I'm even on the list, I was made aware of it after the fact and had no real part in it other than an observer,but fuck facts... LOL... Quickstretcher is your new nick of the day! :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 05, 2018, 07:14:11 AM
I updated the OP to add more conspirators.
None of the people that you've added have anything to do with this[1]. It was TMAN and I, nobody else (I've been repeatedly calling for the removal of minifrij's name due to no-involvement, but you don't care about the truth). I'm guessing you were ordered by *you-know-who* to set this up in order to neg. them too?

I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue.
I didn't address it because it is a lie; in what universe would you believe that someone with this opsec would call someone else around here? Quite the jokesters you and mr. dogg are.

I'll be requesting that more DT members tag you because of [1] once I find more time. The other guy can't be tagged because obvious reasons. Thank you.

Not sure why I'm even on the list, I was made aware of it after the fact and had no real part in it other than an observer,but fuck facts... LOL... Quickstretcher is your new nick of the day! :D
Quickscammer doesn't care about any facts.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 05, 2018, 07:31:54 AM
I updated the OP to add more conspirators.
None of the people that you've added have anything to do with this[1]. It was TMAN and I, nobody else (I've been repeatedly calling for the removal of minifrij's name due to no-involvement, but you don't care about the truth). I'm guessing you were ordered by *you-know-who* to set this up in order to neg. them too?

I would point out that it was recently pointed out that lauda[1] and the rest of his conspirators called zeroxal's family members to harass their extortion victim according to a post recently made. Lauda responded to this post, but failed to address this issue.
I didn't address it because it is a lie; in what universe would you believe that someone with this opsec would call someone else around here? Quite the jokesters you and mr. dogg are.

I'll be requesting that more DT members tag you because of [1] once I find more time. The other guy can't be tagged because obvious reasons. Thank you.

Not sure why I'm even on the list, I was made aware of it after the fact and had no real part in it other than an observer,but fuck facts... LOL... Quickstretcher is your new nick of the day! :D
Quickscammer doesn't care about any facts.
So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?(or however you spell his name)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 05, 2018, 07:32:56 AM
So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?
No. String (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation).


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 05, 2018, 07:35:25 AM
So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?
No. String (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation).
In other words, everyone listed in the op is involved in your extortion attempt...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 05, 2018, 07:39:01 AM
So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?
No. String (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation).
In other words, everyone listed in the op is involved in your extortion attempt...

https://i.imgur.com/WBL7B9X.jpg

I strongly suggest that you seek professional help.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 05, 2018, 07:44:02 AM
https://i.imgur.com/WBL7B9X.jpg

I strongly suggest that you seek professional help.

so lauda - are you saying that the person in the Meme is actually QS?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: suchmoon on March 05, 2018, 05:06:55 PM
it would probably not be unreasonable to believe someone participated

No.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: vsyc on March 06, 2018, 12:26:43 AM
So you are admitting to extorting zeroaxl?
No. String (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation).
In other words, everyone listed in the op is involved in your extortion attempt...

https://i.imgur.com/WBL7B9X.jpg

I strongly suggest that you seek professional help.

Haha, I see that slowly, but steady, Lauda reputation is sinking towards negativity. It just a matter of time, when it will be clear, that this person is not worth a penny due to its biased narrowed attitude

So fun to observe


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: vsyc on March 06, 2018, 12:41:18 AM
Enjoy it scammer, because it's not going to happen... in case you are not retarded, this thread is pretty old and most of it is bullshit. You have zero knowledge of anything here, so just fuck off bcash shill.

Again. Fuck you quickscammer...  and you too OG, green slimeball! ;D

Lol you another prove of Dawn of the Lauda.

Only stupid teenagers like you, is a last line of support.

Every smart person, after reading your histeric message will feel smell... Smell of dead horse :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 06, 2018, 12:51:33 AM
Enjoy it scammer, because it's not going to happen... in case you are not retarded, this thread is pretty old and most of it is bullshit. You have zero knowledge of anything here, so just fuck off bcash shill.

Again. Fuck you quickscammer...  and you too OG, green slimeball! ;D

Lol you another prove of Dawn of the Lauda.

Only stupid teenagers like you, is a last line of support.

Every smart person, after reading your histeric message will feel smell... Smell of dead horse :D

Learn proper English, ya fucking Pajeet.

BTW, I'm 45 years old, so bite my ass retard. :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/hhampuz/IronMarvel2/owlcatz/zepher extortion attempt
Post by: vsyc on March 06, 2018, 01:04:16 AM
Enjoy it scammer, because it's not going to happen... in case you are not retarded, this thread is pretty old and most of it is bullshit. You have zero knowledge of anything here, so just fuck off bcash shill.

Again. Fuck you quickscammer...  and you too OG, green slimeball! ;D

Lol you another prove of Dawn of the Lauda.

Only stupid teenagers like you, is a last line of support.

Every smart person, after reading your histeric message will feel smell... Smell of dead horse :D

Learn proper English, ya fucking Pajeet.

BTW, I'm 45 years old, so bite my ass retard. :D

Its so funny to observe 45 years old Lauda puppet :))) You definitelly made a day!

No doubt, that you one of those, America  feels shame about! :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
Post by: raW livE on March 07, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
This thread and incident that happened almost 8 months ago is still alive? Any summary of what is going on after Lauda's staff badge was taken? I'm too lazy to read.
Lauda's actions are being endorsed by staff member hilariousandco and blazed by way of including Lauda on each of their respective trust lists. Lauda is giving negative trust to anyone who leaves him a negative rating for this incident.

Shut you Quickscammer. Oh by the way Shitscammer is also BiPolarBob.


Title: QuickSpazzer is a cunt
Post by: TMAN on March 07, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
Shut you Quickscammer. Oh by the way Shitscammer is also BiPolarBob.

na bob is a cool dude - quickspazzer likes to lick dirty men's urinals on a friday night


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatzextortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 08, 2018, 11:42:21 PM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 08, 2018, 11:46:29 PM
That is most certainly not proof of:

OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy
There was extreme drama in that chatroom before I joined back to Slack. I didn't even knew some of the people in there existed before I joined back. Stop trying to hurt innocent people.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 08, 2018, 11:49:35 PM
That is most certainly not proof of:

OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy
There was extreme drama in that chatroom before I joined back to Slack. I didn't even knew some of the people in there existed before I joined back. Stop trying to hurt innocent people.
IronMarvel2 very clearly gave you zeroxal's passport (image), according to zeroxal. Owlcatz was very clearly harassing zeroxal about bogus claims of criminal activity that was the basis for the extortion attempt.

I am not sure how this could be any more clear.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 08, 2018, 11:52:01 PM
That is most certainly not proof of:

OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy
There was extreme drama in that chatroom before I joined back to Slack. I didn't even knew some of the people in there existed before I joined back. Stop trying to hurt innocent people.
IronMarvel2 very clearly gave you zeroxal's passport (image), according to zeroxal. Owlcatz was very clearly harassing zeroxal about bogus claims of criminal activity that was the basis for the extortion attempt.

I am not sure how this could be any more clear.

I'm not sure what you mean - are you somehow saying I triggered this? You're fucking insane, I love it! :D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 08, 2018, 11:53:06 PM
IronMarvel2 very clearly gave you zeroxal's passport (image), according to zeroxal. Owlcatz was very clearly harassing zeroxal about bogus claims of criminal activity that was the basis for the extortion attempt.

I am not sure how this could be any more clear.
Relevance? Are you saying everyone who despised his history (whatever was dug up by whoever at the time) is involved? ::) Again, there was extreme drama long before I even knew what was going on. Noone who participated in that chatroom is involved except TMAN and I. I will state this again: Stop trying to hurt innocent people.

Edit from previous post: Is that a fresh statement? It seems somewhat different from what I remember.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 12:04:37 AM
Edit from previous post: Is that a fresh statement? It seems somewhat different from what I remember.
Yes. How exactly is it different?

I don't think taking the copy of a passport under the guise of confidentiality and giving it to someone who is attempting to extort him is exactly "innocent"


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 09, 2018, 12:07:43 AM
Edit from previous post: Is that a fresh statement? It seems somewhat different from what I remember.
Yes. How exactly is it different?
I don't recall stating that Bobby Lee is a ponzi scammer for example. I also wonder why he'd comment on this now as we've left this on *decent terms* all things considered. Motivation remains questionable.

I don't think taking the copy of a passport under the guise of confidentiality and giving it to someone who is attempting to extort him is exactly "innocent"
You make a lot of assumptions, none backed up with evidence.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 12:10:22 AM
I also wonder why he'd comment on this now as we've left this on *decent terms* all things considered.
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.

Motivation remains questionable.
Maybe he wants criminals to be held accountable, especially when he is the victim of a crime those criminals engaged in, thats just a guess.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 09, 2018, 12:13:54 AM
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.
Yeah, no. Keep trying to make this worse than it actually is.

Maybe he wants criminals to be held accountable, especially when he is the victim of a crime those criminals engaged in, thats just a guess.
If he wants criminals to be accountable, then he should contact the financial institutions of two other countries. ::) All this is, in its entirety, is a desperate revenge attack for the questions raised against *you-know-who*. You are so desperate and shameless that you are willing to hurt innocent people in order to accomplish your malicious goals. Then you come to me, question my ratings and complain  about some kind of bias somewhere. Ironic, predictable, and petty.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 12:15:29 AM
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.
Yeah, no. Keep trying to make this worse than it actually is.
I don't see how you can view this any other way...


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lauda on March 09, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.
Yeah, no. Keep trying to make this worse than it actually is.
I don't see how you can view this any other way...
You can see it for exactly what it is.

All this is, in its entirety, is a desperate revenge attack for the questions raised against *you-know-who*. You are so desperate and shameless that you are willing to hurt innocent people in order to accomplish your malicious goals. Then you come to me, question my ratings and complain  about some kind of bias somewhere. Ironic, predictable, and petty.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: minifrij on March 09, 2018, 12:38:23 AM
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.
This case has been settled already.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.

However, Quickseller obviously knows more about how Zeroxal feels than Zeroxal.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 03:59:17 AM
I don't think you can ever go from extorting someone to being on decent terms with them.
This case has been settled already.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.

However, Quickseller obviously knows more about how Zeroxal feels than Zeroxal.
This might be crazy, but maybe zeroxal wanted the harassment and intimidation to stop.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Wendigo on March 09, 2018, 07:28:07 AM
Did you really call Zeroxal on the phone?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 08:03:10 AM
Did you really call Zeroxal on the phone?
TMAN called his mom


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Frij on March 09, 2018, 09:56:11 AM
This might be crazy, but maybe zeroxal wanted the harassment and intimidation to stop.
So, after Zeroxal wants it to stop and go away, you continue bumping it for over a year - despite the people behind it being tagged for such?

I'm not going to argue about this further though, it's clear that you won't even remove the incorrect information about me in this thread, let alone be respectful to the victim.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 09, 2018, 12:20:27 PM
Did you really call Zeroxal on the phone?
TMAN called his mom

I did not speak with his mother I did not speak to anyone - move on Mr I have mummy issues


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2018, 01:26:40 PM
This might be crazy, but maybe zeroxal wanted the harassment and intimidation to stop.
So, after Zeroxal wants it to stop and go away, you continue bumping it for over a year - despite the people behind it being tagged for such?

I'm not going to argue about this further though, it's clear that you won't even remove the incorrect information about me in this thread, let alone be respectful to the victim.
those responsible need to be held accountable. This is not a complicated concept.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Frij on March 09, 2018, 02:07:45 PM
those responsible
Not all parties in your OP are responsible.

need to be held accountable.
To which they have been. Those behind this have been tagged, and will likely stay so for the foreseeable future.
Considering they have a seemingly permanent mark on their profiles due to this, I don't understand what else you plan to accomplish.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 09, 2018, 02:51:04 PM
~snip

you are new here so you may not be aware of QS and his massive fall from grace, it was like an Elephant falling off the top of the Eiffel tower, it was catastrophic - he went from being on DT and an Escrow to top 10 least trusted, right up there with the scumbags like MASTER-P & Danny Brewster the hated like GOAT & FREIDCAT .. the worst of the worst.. 

so since Lauda is female ( I already posted about QS and his issues with women) she busts scammers like him and is trusted, So he hates her double hard, The rest of the guys are collateral damage. Then there is me, he hates me as have been unrelenting in pointing out his buddy OgNasty as the snake oil salesman!


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatzextortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 09, 2018, 03:01:14 PM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Nice work, although you are doing excellent to clean this forum. Please keep everything So we all can complaint to local authorities and  https://twitter.com/FBI
also will try at facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FBI/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatzextortion attempt
Post by: TMAN on March 09, 2018, 03:10:25 PM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Nice work, although you are doing excellent to clean this forum. Please keep everything So we all can complaint to local authorities and  https://twitter.com/FBI
also will try at facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FBI/

Someone Called a number?? proof that was me? proof that was to extort someone? give up QS.. 


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 10, 2018, 01:12:33 AM
This might be crazy, but maybe zeroxal wanted the harassment and intimidation to stop.
So, after Zeroxal wants it to stop and go away, you continue bumping it for over a year - despite the people behind it being tagged for such?

I'm not going to argue about this further though, it's clear that you won't even remove the incorrect information about me in this thread, let alone be respectful to the victim.
those responsible need to be held accountable. This is not a complicated concept.

Go ahead window-licker - hold me "accountable" then. BUT, stop shitting nonsense into my auctions. Nobody there gives any fucks about your made up theories of who did what when and who knew whatever when... Everyone in collectibles trusts me 10x more than you, or OG, so give it up fool, you just make yourself look stupider and scammier every day - Go back to sucking Og's green cock. ::)  

BTW - I don't hide behind PO boxes like you two fucking scammers either. That's not shady at all, especially for people who are so "trustworthy" and "upstanding" like Og and yourself.. (cough).  :P


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 10, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Nice work, although you are doing excellent to clean this forum. Please keep everything So we all can complaint to local authorities and  https://twitter.com/FBI
also will try at facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FBI/
I wouldn't contact authorities via social media, you can submit a tip via https://tips.fbi.gov/ and you don't have to give your name in case you are afraid of retaliation by this extortion group.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on March 16, 2018, 03:23:40 AM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Nice work, although you are doing excellent to clean this forum. Please keep everything So we all can complaint to local authorities and  https://twitter.com/FBI
also will try at facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FBI/
I wouldn't contact authorities via social media, you can submit a tip via https://tips.fbi.gov/ and you don't have to give your name in case you are afraid of retaliation by this extortion group.
This shit gets worse each day. Good job QS.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: donmiguello on March 20, 2018, 12:41:09 AM
All those users taged by OG why they cant leave a neg Trust to OG? ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: 404Revolution on March 20, 2018, 01:27:23 AM
Until all Neg reps Lauda left are removed the account has not been appropriately punished.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 25, 2018, 03:27:29 AM
OP updated with additional proof that owlcatz and IronMarvel2 were involved in this extortion conspiracy

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png

Bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 29, 2018, 12:11:25 AM
Lol... Look at all the quicksy-alts who merited this post, along with his alt, OGnasty.... ;D

https://i.imgur.com/xoKz4uj.png

Says volumes to me.... Maybe someday the forum users will figure out the big picture around here... ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: cunicula on March 29, 2018, 02:24:56 AM
Lol... Look at all the quicksy-alts who merited this post, along with his alt, OGnasty.... ;D

https://i.imgur.com/xoKz4uj.png

Says volumes to me.... Maybe someday the forum users will figure out the big picture around here... ::)

Why you keep bumping this dead horse thread?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 29, 2018, 02:28:40 AM
Lol... Look at all the quicksy-alts who merited this post, along with his alt, OGnasty.... ;D

https://i.imgur.com/xoKz4uj.png

Says volumes to me.... Maybe someday the forum users will figure out the big picture around here... ::)

Why you keep bumping this dead horse thread?

To show everyone it's

FAKE NEWS

::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 29, 2018, 04:27:32 AM
Why does this guy left negative feedback to you? OwlCatz
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1153943
Quote
Was notified by a Legendary member to investigate a case against this user. This user works with a team of individuals on bitcointalk.org scamming under various accounts. Beware of this member because he will eventually scam you.


OWLCATZ  Does this statement is correct?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Binnex on March 29, 2018, 04:28:55 AM
wow @@ i don't think so


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on March 29, 2018, 01:29:23 PM
Why does this guy left negative feedback to you? OwlCatz
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1153943
Quote
Was notified by a Legendary member to investigate a case against this user. This user works with a team of individuals on bitcointalk.org scamming under various accounts. Beware of this member because he will eventually scam you.


OWLCATZ  Does this statement is correct?

No, absolutely not. I don't scam, ever. In fact, I just got scammed myself. :P

Quickseller likes making shit up, everyone knows that by now, no?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on March 31, 2018, 12:06:09 PM
Why does this guy left negative feedback to you? OwlCatz
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1153943
Quote
Was notified by a Legendary member to investigate a case against this user. This user works with a team of individuals on bitcointalk.org scamming under various accounts. Beware of this member because he will eventually scam you.


OWLCATZ  Does this statement is correct?

No, absolutely not. I don't scam, ever. In fact, I just got scammed myself. :P

Quickseller likes making shit up, everyone knows that by now, no?
I seen that person long back when a guy scammed money and this cloud one offered services like Scam Retrieval. He is not Quickseller as far as I know, but in his profile your username only appears in Red.
Did you ever asked that guy to remove Tag from his profile, you must check it who reported about you.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: allahabadi on April 08, 2018, 01:08:47 PM
Bump

Seriously?

I guess even the NSA and the entire Pentagon agencies must be on this now.

Let it go, man.
 ;D


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on April 08, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
Bump

Seriously?

I guess even the NSA and the entire Pentagon agencies must be on this now.

Let it go, man.
 ;D
I want to be sure anyone considering doing business with any of these scammers/extortionists are duly warned.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on April 13, 2018, 12:07:32 PM
Bump

Seriously?

I guess even the NSA and the entire Pentagon agencies must be on this now.

Let it go, man.
 ;D
I want to be sure anyone considering doing business with any of these scammers/extortionists are duly warned.
Did you made a complain to the local police till today? I thought to do, but still havent yet done.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: vsyc on May 02, 2018, 05:50:08 PM
Why does this guy left negative feedback to you? OwlCatz
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1153943
Quote
Was notified by a Legendary member to investigate a case against this user. This user works with a team of individuals on bitcointalk.org scamming under various accounts. Beware of this member because he will eventually scam you.


OWLCATZ  Does this statement is correct?

No, absolutely not. I don't scam, ever. In fact, I just got scammed myself. :P

Quickseller likes making shit up, everyone knows that by now, no?

Your messages just scream for RED trust


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: melinlucky1 on June 29, 2018, 09:33:07 AM
he do that with me too. Lauda


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: sbogovac on June 29, 2018, 10:49:06 AM
he do that with me too. Lauda

What?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: pinkman12345 on June 29, 2018, 11:14:17 AM
he do that with me too. Lauda
Well looking at the reference that Lauda gave you it is quite evident that you are a spammer.
Sorry to say but you need to change your attitude else anywhere you go you will be in trouble.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on June 29, 2018, 12:57:24 PM
he do that with me too. Lauda
Do you have any proof of this?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: allahabadi on August 16, 2018, 06:04:20 AM
Bump

Can u lock it now?  ???


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on August 16, 2018, 06:05:18 AM
No.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on August 16, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Never lock it until it goes to the local police.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: 4x4et on September 05, 2018, 11:11:16 AM
What happened:: Lauda attempted (http://archive.is/szqRf) to extort another user by asking for  a"cut to keep quiet" about zeroaxl's alleged criminal activity. Lauda admitted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759607.msg17570759#msg17570759) to sending an "extortion message" (highlighted archive (http://archive.is/szqRf#selection-3611.33-3611.121)) to zeroaxl. In the extortion message, Lauda claimed to be aware of, and have evidence of serious criminal activity that zeroaxl was allegedly involved in. Immidiately prior to sending this 'extortion message' Lauda (and upon information and belief, others) was (were) badgering zeroaxl about his alleged criminal activity.

Shortly thereafter, TMAN created a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934.0;all) (various archives of the thread can be found here (http://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1759934*)) that was intended to make additional claims of knowledge of alleged criminal activity on the part of zeroaxl, give additional "reminders" of the consequences of such alleged criminal activity if law enforcement were to get notified, as well as an attempt to harm zeroaxl's reputation here, making it more difficult for him to profitably conduct business in the forum.

Around the same time that Lauda sent the extortion message, minifrij opened a thread (http://archive.is/5rXZn) attempting to get zeroaxl banned from the forum, which would also make it more difficult for him to conduct business on the forum.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872 - Lauda f/k/a LaudaM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98986 - TMAN
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138940 - minifrij

Although there may be additional people that actively participated in this extortion attempt, I do not yet have concrete evidence of their participation.

Amount Scammed: It is unclear if an extortion payment was actually made or not, as the victim did not disclose an address that Lauda was asking for payment to be sent to.

Additional Notes: Upon receipt of the extortion message from Lauda, zeroaxl opened a scam accusation thread against Lauda, and about 16 hours later, all three (the threads opened by zeroaxl, TMAN, and minifrij) threads were locked, edited so that there was no content in each of their respective OPs, and moved to archival within 20 minutes of eachother.

minifrij claims to not be a part of the extortion conspiracy, however he was claiming to be well aware (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-2817.0-2817.2) of the status of the extortion payment, and he did oblige (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-5731.74-5731.192) (archive of his entire post (http://archive.is/zEn0u#selection-3749.144-3749.355)) to removing his thread when zeroaxl and TMAN were "negotiating" immidiately after zeroaxl received an extortion demand.

Lauda has claimed that the 'extortion message' was an attempt to gather information as part of an investigation, however the payment of an extortion demand would not necessarily indicate guilt (see below)
>Paying an extortion payment -
>The fact that someone makes an extortion payment does not necessarily mean
>that the information claimed to be in possession of by the criminal is true.
>I had posted a couple of reasons why a victim may pay an extortion payment
>when untrue information is being threatened to be released. Another reason
>why someone may pay an extortion payment is that they are on parole, and a
>person’s parole office receiving a report of criminal activity by the victim
>may result in the victim going back to jail while this claim can be
>investigated. As a result of this,
...
>I would not consider the fact that
>someone paid an extortion payment an admission that the information used
>to extort the victim is true.


edit: March 4, 2018

After careful consideration of the relevant facts, I am adding the following people to this allegation:
IronMarvel2 http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4687.0-4686.2
owlcatz http://archive.is/QSGC5#selection-4995.0-5004.1

The reason being is that they were either harassing the victim by making outrageous claims of crimes that no reasonable person would believe is true, or provided private personal information that was provided by the victim under the guise of it remaining confidential.

https://i.imgur.com/7rKMCmo.png



Very interesting.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Especially bolded parts.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on October 07, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
Do you have the phone numbers of callers? so that we can find where these scammers stay. it been over a year i am watching this thread still not yet gone to the police.

From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_Croatia

and police webiste i think   https://www.mup.hr/


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on October 08, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: 4x4et on October 13, 2018, 12:48:41 AM
bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Lipe490 on October 22, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: 4x4et on October 30, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Rambotnic on November 15, 2018, 10:04:08 PM
bump


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: SmartPayMINT on December 19, 2018, 11:05:55 PM
A very interesting thread indeed,..very interesting 🤔


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Timelord2067 on January 18, 2019, 01:13:41 AM
Circle Jerk.

TomatoCage gives TomatoCage1 (their own alt (http://archive.is/FB66F)) DT Trust http://archive.fo/KLejM#selection-9.735529-9.735907

TomatoCage1 gives quickseller DT Trust

quickseller gives tomatocage DT trust


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on January 19, 2019, 05:37:06 AM
bump
Still you haven't pasted the users information here. Could you tell me Owlcatz more info his country and present location.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: LoyceV on January 19, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
TomatoCage gives TomatoCage1 (their own alt (http://archive.is/FB66F)) DT Trust http://archive.fo/KLejM#selection-9.735529-9.735907
I see no problem in adding your own alt to your trust list. That only means he trusts his own alt account, anyone who trusts his main account will automatically trust his alt too.
Global Moderator hilariousandco (DT1) put his alt hilariousetc on DT2 too (source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt)), this makes it easier for him to tag accounts.
It would become a problem if an alt-account is used to vote your own account(s) into DT1.

Don't confuse adding your alt to your trust list with leaving positive trust to your own alt, which is highly frowned upon.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Soha 1 on January 19, 2019, 07:04:22 PM
It's been two years since this thread was created, I think its high-time it gets digged and forgotten. Quickseller you were given your chance, you prooved nothing, but a fool of yourself. I got nothing against you though. Just stop trying to incriminate people into non-existant activities. It's not a nice thing to do.

I hope my post can be the one that digs this thread once and for all.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: endlasuresh on January 20, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
This thread would soon go to the police once people information is available.

Q.s please let me know if anyone from India  exists.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on January 20, 2019, 06:15:46 PM
This thread would soon go to the police once people information is available.

Q.s please let me know if anyone from India  exists.
I don’t think anyone involved is in India.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on March 01, 2019, 08:30:39 AM
This case has been settled already. Not a single satoshi of payment was made to the attempt and everything was handled privately. The extortion attempt was made for "good intent" and was aimed for me to release information for my apparent "crimes". Crazy speculations without any proof. A very bad attempt to play law enforcement by themselves indeed, trying to beat information out by threatening me with crimes I never did. I wasted alot of time into this now and all I got was a bad name from it for apparent criminal activity.
However, I believe this blackmail and extortion attempt already brought fair consequences, as lauda is no longer a staff member anymore and until lauda or someone else accuses me of more apparent "crimes", I believe this case can be closed. I had enough from witch trials and don't want to get involved in another one. All I want now is to clean my name again.
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.

Also, TMAN was only involved because he has started all the heat by accusing me of a hacker and was totally against me for a while. He has now calmed down and apologized for his actions.

Edit:
Lauda did not give me an address to send the extortion payment to.

Bump
Perhaps he wanted the harassment (phone calls to his family) to stop.

I would also point this out:
Quote
As of now, my full dox has been handed out to the "investigation" team, which makes me very uncomfortable and wish to be deleted and NOT published in any way.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on May 26, 2019, 05:30:02 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on May 26, 2019, 06:05:22 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did. If you want you can publish your Mom’s phone number so others can call her to harass her and tell her that you are evading paying taxes.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on May 26, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did.

1. I meant stop bumping and time to lock it.
2. As I said, different intentions than you claim. Their PGP signed message stated their intentions, which was confirmed by Zeroxal.
3. Lol.
4. Source?


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on May 26, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did.

1. I meant stop bumping and time to lock it.
2. As I said, different intentions than you claim. Their PGP signed message stated their intentions, which was confirmed by Zeroxal.
3. Lol.
4. Source?
their intentions were to extort Zeroaxl and claim it was a sting operation of called out. What they did would in no way show evidence of wrongdoing if he paid the extortion and someone not paying taxes is not an excuse to extort money from them.



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on May 26, 2019, 06:41:16 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did.

1. I meant stop bumping and time to lock it.
2. As I said, different intentions than you claim. Their PGP signed message stated their intentions, which was confirmed by Zeroxal.
3. Lol.
4. Source?
their intentions were to extort Zeroaxl and claim it was a sting operation of called out. What they did would in no way show evidence of wrongdoing if he paid the extortion and someone not paying taxes is not an excuse to extort money from them.

That's just your biased assumption.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on May 26, 2019, 06:54:57 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did.

1. I meant stop bumping and time to lock it.
2. As I said, different intentions than you claim. Their PGP signed message stated their intentions, which was confirmed by Zeroxal.
3. Lol.
4. Source?
their intentions were to extort Zeroaxl and claim it was a sting operation of called out. What they did would in no way show evidence of wrongdoing if he paid the extortion and someone not paying taxes is not an excuse to extort money from them.

That's just your biased assumption.
that is a reasonable conclusion based on the available facts.

FYI, there was no signed message, there was an encrypted message that no one except lauda could decrypt that detailed his plan.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: owlcatz on May 26, 2019, 07:40:10 PM
Quickscammer, give it up, nobody cares and it DID not go down as you imply. You make shit up based on what suits your agenda, and your agenda is clearly hating on anyone in DT other than you. Go find a real scam to uncover. Have I ever scammed anyone here? NO. Did I attempt to "scam" zeroxal? Fuck no, Someone asked me to ask him a few questions about a btc addy he appeared to be using that was advertised on hundreds of ponzi sites. That's it. That's all. So.... Fuck off. ::)


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on May 26, 2019, 08:09:04 PM
Quickscammer, give it up, nobody cares and it DID not go down as you imply. You make shit up based on what suits your agenda, and your agenda is clearly hating on anyone in DT other than you. Go find a real scam to uncover. Have I ever scammed anyone here? NO. Did I attempt to "scam" zeroxal? Fuck no, Someone asked me to ask him a few questions about a btc addy he appeared to be using that was advertised on hundreds of ponzi sites. That's it. That's all. So.... Fuck off. ::)

I don’t think he ever showed any interest in me until I was on DT.

Today he’s bumped a reputation thread about me & put one of my posts in the shitpost thread in Meta.
The guy is starting to piss me off.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on May 26, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
Don't you think it's time to stop bumping/locking this 2 year old thread? They have admitted to whatever you accused them off (while having different intentions than you claim), Zeroxal considered the whole thing resolved 2 years ago and you still bring it to attention in pretty much every topic you post in. This thread serves no purpose anymore.
1- this thread has never been locked
2- everyone involved has denied extorting anyone and claims they were engaging in a sting operation, which doesn’t make sense
3- this thread serves as a warning to anyone considering doing business with anyone involved
4- zeroaxl was threatened with continued harassment, of course he doesn’t want to pursue the matter, the consequences for him would be very bad if he did.

1. I meant stop bumping and time to lock it.
2. As I said, different intentions than you claim. Their PGP signed message stated their intentions, which was confirmed by Zeroxal.
3. Lol.
4. Source?
their intentions were to extort Zeroaxl and claim it was a sting operation of called out. What they did would in no way show evidence of wrongdoing if he paid the extortion and someone not paying taxes is not an excuse to extort money from them.

That's just your biased assumption.
that is a reasonable conclusion based on the available facts.

FYI, there was no signed message, there was an encrypted message that no one except lauda could decrypt that detailed his plan.

Assumptions =/= facts.

@LFC_Bitcoin: Don't be pissed off. Just point and laugh at that salty basement dweller.


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: suchmoon on May 27, 2019, 04:36:28 AM
Today he’s bumped a reputation thread about me & put one of my posts in the shitpost thread in Meta.
The guy is starting to piss me off.

Just call him escrow scammer at every opportunity, that will piss him off :)

Seriously though, that's how Quicksy operates, he keeps repeating garbage, including his own made up nonsense, until (he hopes) some of it will stick. Arguing with that or even acknowledging it is quite pointless - he's not bound by facts or truth (or perhaps he truly believes his fantasies).


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: H8bussesNbicycles on May 30, 2019, 02:29:05 AM
important thread
read it


Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on June 03, 2019, 11:13:48 PM
Did lauda give Michael Avenatti any tips regarding how to successfully extort someone with a lot of money?



Title: Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij/IronMarvel2/owlcatz extortion attempt
Post by: Quickseller on November 29, 2019, 02:00:33 AM
I have a good reason to believe someone recently tried to bump this thread unsuccessfully so I am bumping it for him.