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Hi,

We are proud to present our BitBox Gambling platform!

http://bitbox.site/

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Check it out here:

http://bitbox.site/

Site is great!

The site looks good, design is smooth. Games work well, I would even say roulette is the best one I've ever seen on bitcoin platforms (even though a csgo site was running for multiple years with this exact same design, they made over 50 million dollars btw). I'm wondering, is there anything truly innovative here? I've seen these games exactly as they are here (only different color scheme) on various sites.

Have you actually programmed these scripts yourself, or just copied and modified or bought them from somwhere?

Looks great... do you have a list of the sites that are using the scripts provided by you? Just want to try out to know more....

If you just want to try the site you can use their free demo here: http://bitbox.site:8080/
Also, just to let you know, I saw that the site is on sale already https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1796144

@bitcoinplay_xyz even you're selling the site, I would be glad to know the list of the sites that are using these 3 scripts too (dice, crash, roulette), if it's possible.
EDIT: I saw one and tried it, but the owner seems to ignore our messages about the withdrawal that's why I want to try others.

Okay, this site looks nice just like others said. It's potentially popular. But are there any people using it already? Is there an income there? Or you are selling a ready-to-go site which wasn't in the business before?
By the way, at first when I read the name of the thread I thought you're something like Moneypot or some other platform supporting different gambling sites.
What is your price anyway? Or is it an auction?

why dont you read the first posting and their site and you dont need to spam your signature with stupid questions

Hi,

This is not a script, but a spring framework powered enterprise application. It's 100% developed by us. Please ckeck our site for more info.

If you have seen sites with different color scheme it has to be one of our clients.

I am also curious about this, when was your platform launched and when did you start selling your products? I play CS:GO on a daily basis and have seen lots of sites that look exactly like yours.

We have started this project roughly 3 years ago, for 2 of those years we are generating sales. It's highly possible that you have seen it before because we have over 60 clients at the moment. Some of them even have a different design but are still powered by our backend.

Great, I can download it for free?? or must need to install it on your site like moneypot so we can easily get players without need to advertise it.

No you can't download it for free :)

You have to buy a license and have your own bankroll.

Check the details here:
bitbox.site

For more questions contact us at: contact@itbox.com.hr

Is your application 100% working? I tried the demo on your site earlier, signed up and played Crash. The timer started and stucked at 0 but I was able to place bet so I assume that it's working but I can't see the graph nor the profit value (it's blank). Because of that, I can't see how is it going too, so I just had a random Cashout. After rolling that faucet money more than 10 times, I tried to request a withdrawal. It was mentioned there that I must roll 10 times because I claimed in faucet. I did rolled it more than 10, so how can you explain that? It's okay if what mentioned was, "Sorry, you can't withdraw because it's just a demo" but it's because of the number of rolls. Same thing happened in your client's site.

Have you fix the bug which make someone win 10btc on bitcoingamesclub as this site is using your platform? Just in case there is another unknown bug which let player to make profit and destroy the site's bankroll, what will you do?
Any guarantees for site's owner to get their money back if they lose big amount because there is a bug on your platform?

Hi,

Quick explanation. We had a bug report today (first time in 3 years) on crash game. It will be fixed within few hours.

Bitcoins from your bankroll can't be stolen because we use hot & cold wallet + all withdrawals have to be approved. The user which had a 10BTC win started with 0.00001BTC and was intentinaly exploiting the site and of course that client is not obligated to payout that.

I think it needs to test the game CRASH using DEMO, what each user needs to install the app to play

for how long are you offering the crash game? 3 years?

hot wallets were very often hacked as far as I know so why do you think yours cant be hacked and be stolen?

I would anyway feel only good with manual withdrawals

Crash game has been added 2 months ago, to be honest, people don't play crash that much, 90% of players play dice. We have manual withdrawals, yes.

Yes it is better to have a manual method of withdrawing, but I think it would be best to still have an automated one for small witdrawals within a specified range of amounts that the owner can set. How about security on this platform, what measures does it implement to prevent cheating? Can an owner determine if the site is being cheated?

We have exactly that.

2 systems. Automatic till a certain level (which can be enabled/disabled) and a manual one.

Yes, we can detect cheating attempts and they are blocked instantly.

How did you know that he is intentionally exploiting the site? I'm curious if do you have a proof or you're just saying that. If your platform can detect cheating attempt why that user who played and won 10btc did not get blocked in the first place?  ???

Exactly, that is why there are questions about this platform's security. Like what you have pointed out, there were cheating attempts which could have succeeded if not for manual withdrawals. How about if the guy just went on to withdraw small amounts within the automated withdrawal system? Then for sure the system would not be able to tell that the guy was cheating if he only withdraw small amounts.

I agree, quite worrysome that your system had such a big flaw that allowed the player exploit the system. Weren't all your games properly tested to fix all bugs and remove all possible exploits? I hope you can prove that he cheated to win, because it might tear down the reputation of the casino it happened on, as people could remember it as the "casino that didn't pay out 10btc withdrawal".

Even that this is worrysome, I think your site is a great place to start running a casino from. That being said, this might bring more scam casinos, as the site looks professional and they can reuse the design.

what waranties do you offer, what if a buyer lose all or most of his bankroll due to a programming error or site is hacked? what do you do in such scenarios?

This has never happened. We did not have anyone ever hack or exploit anything. We had a lot of attempts so far, but our rules are if the server is hosted with us (standard or premium license) we would refund all damages to the client. If a client has a basic license (which means he is hosting it on his server) it's not insured.

What we have learned in this business is that there are a lot of bad people who are not interested in gambling at all, they just search for casinos and try to break in, we try to detect that as soon as possible and prevent any attempts. It's normal with any software or online platform. There are always good people and bad people.

What if the user didn't really exploit the site? You've just mentioned that Crash game was just added recently and people don't play it that much (quoted message below). Isn't it possible that you missed to know/checked all of the bugs because you're thinking that only few are playing Crash?


Anyway, I hope you could fixed the problem as soon as possible. Also, if there's no proof that the person exploit the site, you or the owner of bitcoingamesclub should pay him the won amount.

Would you mind to give a comment for this accusation against your software? Is it true that you did not reply to their emails, PM etc? You are online today so it would be great if you reply to this issue, otherwise it may affect your project.

It has already affected their reputation. I was seriously considering buying their software, as it looks very good and is reasonable priced. This is a very serious problem if there is a exploit in one of the games, and bitbox support isn't answering. Crash is one of my favourite games, and is sad if it's broken.

If this gets resolved, I'm probably going to purchase your games.

Well it was also a good game to play and I think those hackers who attack this game was paid by the rival site just to destroy that nice sitr game. It really disappointed everybody who gave full trust to this site and bitbox support should be answering this concerns so that they will regain good reputation which was broke by attackers paid by different gambling software makers. That should be fixed in sooner time so that crash game will be operational again and brings good profit to those affected players.

Just my opinion upon checking the demos..

Below are my main concerns.

Provably Fairness:

On Dice game, the Server Hash is not shown anywhere to the players before spinning. Therefor the server can easily manipulate the outcome based on the 'client seed'.

For Crash game, the Server Hash can easily be manipulated by the server since the 'client seed' is already known and static for each round, the server can be coded to produce more 0 rounds. The server seed hash are also not related or 'chained' to each other. You could check how bustabit did theirs https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=922898.0

For Roulette, pretty much similar to Crash game, the server hashes are in no way 'chained', the client seed is generated by the server. So server can easily manipulate each round to produce lesser or more of each color.

There is little to no explanation either in regards to provably fairness of the games.

Exploits:

There are TWO big exploits i've found on both Crash game and Roulette game. And this exploit can clean anyone's bank since i will be able to know what will be the outcome of the current game, therefor i can bet accordingly and win.

Security:

All user info are stored in the user's browser as cookies. Even the password in 'plain text'. Anyone can be tricked to run a script to steal those information.

2FA Secrets are automatically generated for each user and is static. There is no way for the players to change this secret in case they feel like doing so.

Conclusion/Opinion:

The idea of you guys offering ready made casino/gambling package is a cool idea instead of selling them 1 by 1. But considering the things above, the games/package is in no way ready for production yet. This is just my opinion and consider it as a free advice.

Cheers!
-Uni

They found the solution to all problems: THEY TAKE OUR MONEY AND THEY GONE ANWAY!
My website (www.bitcoingamesclub.com) which was hosted on their servers is offline now.
No answer in the last 10 days:  email, PM, Skype!
They are scammers!

How much did you lose?

If anonymous people rent a casino software, there is always the risk of a scam. Can you also buy their software?

From the auction thread, it definitely seems like they've scammed a few people. But, i'm not sure they're anonymous. The company name they listed on their website is a German one. It appears to be a valid company, registered to (what appears) a residential address in Munich. In one of their posts they did say they have an "office" in Munich, so that part checks out.

However, before any cyber-warrior goes on a witch hunt -- be very careful as it's very possible or even likely they just hijacked someone else company name who has no affiliation with these actual scammers.

Do you have a link to their auction thread?

Their website link https://bitbox.site/ do not state any company and I would be very surprised if a registered company is behind BitBox.

Yeah it does, it's in the footer...

Domain of their contact email is contact@itbox.com.hr and they have address located in Zagreb,Croatia with phone number listed and company name.
However search at business directory [Transparento.hr] didn't find their business on that address.

You mean ©2016 IT-BOX UG? Yeah, I saw this, but this means nothing.

If they would be a registered company, then they would have terms and conditions and would state the operator in the ToS.

Also German law requires to state an impressum with some info and I think you have also to state the tax number.

When I google for IT-BOX UG, there is no entry with the company.

The website is anonymous, they accept only Bitcoins. Pretty sure this is a scam, considering all the info available!

IT-BOX UG is a valid registered Germany company though. I suspect they moved from Croatia to Germany. If you go to their contact page: http://itbox.com.hr/contact.html  they list an address in Munich, but it's different than the company address. (The company address is probably the accurate one, as the one on the webpage is in an prime commercial spot where I doubt they are).

Anyway, I'll stop posting here. I don't want to start a witch hunt.

O.k., just let me elaborate this:

1) Payment methods

Here in their thread, they state the payment methods Bank, Visa and MasterCard. But if you go to their website, you can only pay with Bitcoins!

2) Pricing

a) Only $400 one time price! Wow, that is really cheap! (backdoor inclusive) ;)

b) Hosting of a gambling casino for only $8 per months! Again, wow.

c) Unlimited 24/7 Customer Service for only $100! Wow, wow.

I am not surprised by the pricing of their services. I have seen companies asking for much more money for offering much less.
It is called 'find a sucker' strategy and it is not a scam per se. What is more important are details of their offer.
They mentioned Visa, PayPal, Bank Transfer (fully legal, chargeback friendly and easy to track methods) and on their site is listed only Bitcoin payment?
Now when I think about it, lying about payments methods is a HUGE red flag and prime indicator of possible scam waiting to happen.

can you deliver this for 100$ or 200$ or 300$ or 400$

please deliver cause you will have many buyers as you can see how many were scammed

Are you sure $70-80? If this kind of script is only for that price then there will be so many new gambling sites popping up. Even with their price, there are still many bugs that can make the bank lose everything. How if it is only $70-80? Must be worst than this one.

SCAMMERS!  STAY AWAY FROM BITBOX!

Read the full story here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1818563.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1818563.0)

How many thread these scammers have in this forum?  I still can't fathom that i have been scammed by these pirates...

Just opened a scam accusation thread.. Please respond in the link below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1818762.0

This looks really nice. Way too many of the gambling sites I’ve seen are crazy sketchy, stuff with flashing lights and 90s style internet graphics. Your platform is clean, professional, and most importantly reliable :^)

Although I am worried about the variety of the games. From what you say, there only seems to be three of them. If a bunch of people start using your platform then I’ve gotta compete against a lot of others with the same three games.

It would be a lot more reassuring if it was possible to make your own games, or if you had additional game add-on packages.

Well done on the signature spam! You completely missed the last 2 pages of the thread. BitBox's owner ran away with all their customers money, after they tried to abuse an exploit on a client's site. The code is shit and full of exploits and bugs, and should NOT be bought or used by anyone!

So glad I was skeptical of these guys.

They kept PM'ing me and I didn't let the conversation continue unless it was public.

Another scammer in the Bitcoin world and another day.

Surely there is good dice scripts people can sell elsewhere? Or is it all sketchy?

Do you plan to open a casino?

Their offer was too good to be true! I myself was impressed about the price, but know the costs of 1 year gaming server hosting and unlimited 24/7 support.

Scammers nowadays are getting more and more cunning... Even if the script works well, they sure will hide a loophole somewhere for them to come back and "win" the coins from your balance/bankroll...

It was a decent business model idea too. I guess they just piled up the cash and work scope and ran away.

wow I just saw this thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227121.0

I wonder if it is the same guy(s)?

Initially when i started to speak to them, they had paypal payment option.  I should have paid by paypal.  That is my biggest mistake.  Had i paid via paypal, i would have applied for the chargeback...


Yes their offer was good.  But finally cheated.  They sold it for a cheap price to cheat...  You can get a vps easily for 1 USD a month. So getting a gaming server from them is not a big deal


Yeah its true.  But i had plans to check for backdoor using some other team.