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Title: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 21, 2017, 07:43:05 PM
See link below for evidence. Now all project staff have disappeared.

For those that arent aware:

1. mass.network ICO has completed but failed miserably to hit its target yet someone has retained all 320 BTC of investment.
2. the official site lists a team of people who are not working on the project. Some are mycelium staff unaware of mass.network. Some have never been involved with mass.network or mycelium (check social media profiles). https://mass.network/team.html
3. Original developers refused to publish escrow address, and escrow was controlled by CEO of mass.network.
4. There are no lines of communications with the project. No slack, facebook, twitter, or bitcointalk activity. The only email address provided isn't even a manned account as there is no reply to any emails.
5. A prototype was released in October but nothing has happened since. There is no updated roadmap, only the original now out-of-date whitepaper plan based on ico hitting 1000BTC.
6. The ICO rewards and bounties were never honored.
7. It would seem all the ico funds have been taken and are clearly not used for any development or marketing activities. Check github -Prototype done in October, minor comments added a few weeks ago.No other development. No marketing or social media presence. What are the funds being used for?
8. Nobody from mycelium or the original mass.network team will respond to any requests for information.

This looks like a scam, in which $200k of BTC has not been returned to investors and there is no clear intention to develop this project in any meaningful manner. Likely the project will be allowed to die slowly with the bulk of the ICO funds unspent. These projects are bad for crypto and are almost fraudulent in their behaviour.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Fortify on February 21, 2017, 09:18:11 PM
It might have been better if you posted the actual scam accusation in here, instead of just linking to it. That said, it is stunning how much effort they have put into it and judging by the timeline at the bottom: Feb 2017 = Business software release and Mar 2017 = Mass browser release, it looks like when they need to show an original product it's all collapsed. Even so, it seems like an almost inevitability with altcoins that it all ends in tears.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: aioc on February 22, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
I have lost one month effort in signature campaign now I have over 200 million Mass Token sleeping in Colu,it's a useless token ,I don't know where we are heading now and what will be the action of investors but I would like to participate in any action that this group or the group that we are going to form .


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Cent21 on February 22, 2017, 10:17:40 AM
I have lost one month effort in signature campaign now I have over 200 million Mass Token sleeping in Colu,it's a useless token ,I don't know where we are heading now and what will be the action of investors but I would like to participate in any action that this group or the group that we are going to form .

I'm in the same situation.

I don't understand why the did all that colu wallet thing, if they are simply gone away with ico funds?

This situation is very sad.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Joel_Jantsen on February 22, 2017, 11:43:47 AM
I have lost one month effort in signature campaign now I have over 200 million Mass Token sleeping in Colu,it's a useless token ,I don't know where we are heading now and what will be the action of investors but I would like to participate in any action that this group or the group that we are going to form .
What role did you play in their team ? If you are not getting any response from the project managers/lead developers,you should open a scam accusation while you still have time.Try to archive as much information about your previous chats,links,etc as they would help in finding out the scammers if the decide to run away.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Know-ledger on February 22, 2017, 04:29:17 PM
Hi, Mass Investors!


Here's my experience that I feel I need to contribute to the community since this doubt has arisen.

0) Neither me personally, nor my company (www.knowledger.consulting) have any affiliation with Mass Network or any of its founders/employees. I was just a contractor to Mass writing the white & blue papers and advising on general matters. Neither me, nor my company has ever received or managed in any way any funds directly from the crowdsale discussed.

1) I was first engaged in the project in early August of 2016 when I met Alexander Pankov (nick “pianist”) in Riga, Latvia, EU, in person. I assume, I was quite an obvious guy to get invited since I combine the knowledge of blockchain tech and ad-blocking as you can see in my blog (https://medium.com/@Knowledger).

2) Alexander Pankov has made an impression of having some deep knowledge of the subject, although I was unpleasantly amazed by him humiliating his wife more than twice publicly during an hour-long meeting. I should have probably withdrawn myself from there right away which I didn't, unfortunately.

3) Alexander Pankov initiated the crowdsale of Mass Network tokens by starting the ANN thread on Bitcointalk. I spent about 40 days communicating with Mass Network representatives while ~90% of messaging happened directly with Alexander Pankov / pianist.

4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself.

5) Along the way, Alexander Pankov began to fill my inbox with tons of messages that were self-contradictory, controversial, and not making sense at all. I expressed doubt he could manage his way, in polite terms.

6) In mid-September 2016 I was kicked off the project by Alexander Pankov with the extremely rude wording "I don't need you in the project, being impertinent to me is your life-lesson". I can prove that to any entity and will insist that in any court should that take place.

7) Later, along the project development, Alexander Kuzmin accurately calculated my participation and let me off, fulfilling all obligations to me, after his purchase of the entire thing, with no objections from my side whatsoever. I also had relations with him in the Mycelium Card project (https://card.mycelium.com) years before, where he also behave himself as a gentleman. I have no grounds to suspect him in any wrongdoings. He was indeed an escrow of the funds, according to his own words. I have zero knowledge on how funds received during the crowdsale were used, though.

I have to mention that Alexander Kuzmin has received a number of suggestions from me that he has ignored. Specifically I have advised him to withdraw from specific partnerships that he has announced on the Mass Network website. Him not doing so does not lead me to the assumption he meant any harm to Mass Network investors, rather I suppose I have limited knowledge of the matter.

8) Alexander Pankov has "left the project" in December 2016, according to his own words. That happened RIGHT AFTER all the crowdfunding money were collected. We only have his word for that event, as a matter of fact.

9) In February 2017, Alexander Pankov (nicknamed "pianist") names me as a project "founder" while he well knows I am not and was not. That’s a blatant lie. It seems he is trying to blame me.

10) I have no grounds to suspect the project has let its investors down and stopped development. I don’t know why they have let this escalate or generate such a suspicious feeling in the community, I just felt I need to honestly express my view and what I know for sure.
______





Regards,

Alex
Knowledger.consulting



Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: memalley on February 22, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
copying from the original ANN thread and my post there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg17935505#msg17935505 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg17935505#msg17935505). I do not wish to be implicated or have my reputation tarnished. I do not know if that ANN thread will be deleted/closed.


I just heard about this thanks to a Chinese wechat user who added me to ask what was going on after seeing my LinkedIn profile thanks to the slanderous post, implicating me as a "professional scammer", from tokyopotato. His wanton accusation of me are as incorrect as they are inflammatory. It is obvious from his post who he really meant to target.

Now for my relationship with mass.

I stopped working for Alexander Kuzmin and Mycelium in November of 2016 and have had zero communication since then.

I was Product Manager of another Mycelium team. I later quit Mycelium because our offices were moved to Moscow...I was asked to relocate, said no thanks, and quit.  

In August or Sept of 2016, Kuzmin asked me to help edit the website for MASS since I was the only native ENG speaker at his disposal at the time. I did that and only that. At no point was equity or profit sharing EVER discussed with me. I acted under orders from my boss at the time to edit some copy for the site and blog and setup some social media accounts. that is all. He asked to put my pic and name on the website and said I should have a title since I was technically "part of the team"... Seemed like free publicity for me, why not? That was my only mistake in this issue. For that I am sorry.

I do not stand to gain anything from the MASS ICO and never did...
I am not a scammer, never have been and never will be.

I have made MANY MANY requests to have my name removed from the site... to no avail. Kuzmin has ignored my requests.

Since I found out about this issue, which I have not paid attention to since leaving, I have since deleted MASS from my LinkedIn, since you all seem to think it is a scam and I do not want to be associated with it if it is. It was never a full-time job for me and I was never even paid to work on it!

But let me be clear: I do not stand to profit IN ANY WAY FROM MASS or its ICO... Please contact Mr. Kuzmin

I have ZERO relations with Mycelium or Mr. Kuzmin or MASS since November 2016. However, their "pm,community manager, accountant" contacted me in Jan of this year. Maybe he can answer your questions.

http://imgur.com/a/soYDb
Never heard from him again.


I am sorry for anyone who feels they have been harmed but I am not able to help you. I wish that I could. All I did was edit and write some copy for the website and various social media.

I hope this helps clear up my relationship with Kuzmin and Mass. I hope tokyopotato can remove the slanderous post about me and my current employer, thank you.




Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: ged00u on February 22, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
I think we should clear this case out and we need many experts in the investigation so that they can help us to catch the theft. Although Pianist has left the MASS NETWORK since december, I want to accuse him of not warning the people stay away from this project. If he showed up sooner, there would not be many investors around. Damn.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Fortify on February 22, 2017, 06:03:37 PM
4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself.

Who could be more involved than the person that wrote the whitepaper which is the whole basis for the project? Surely the white paper would be written by someone intimately familiar with the end result and the strategy used to get there. By your own admission, you have been compensated for the work and have not been affected by the collapse of the project, other than becoming one of the fall guys. If it is true the project was based in Russia, it is unlikely anyone will see their "investment" again.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Know-ledger on February 22, 2017, 07:04:56 PM
4) I created the white and blue papers of the projects with Michael Malley being my proof-reader and Sam Cheng Hung being the webmaster. Those were the only contacts I had within Mass, besides Alexander Pankov (a lot) and Alexander Kuzmin, occasionally, on general topics. By that time, I assumed that Alexander Pankov has hired all the dev team members by himself.

Who could be more involved than the person that wrote the whitepaper which is the whole basis for the project? Surely the white paper would be written by someone intimately familiar with the end result and the strategy used to get there. By your own admission, you have been compensated for the work and have not been affected by the collapse of the project, other than becoming one of the fall guys. If it is true the project was based in Russia, it is unlikely anyone will see their "investment" again.

The issues you point out are worthy attention and I will do my best to help ease any fears that I am responsible for an abuse or fraud.

1)
Whitepaper creation being the responsibility.
First of all, I am proud of my work. Now, as I moved along researching the matter and a few months have passed, I would probably put some things in a different light, but generally, I still think that as long as programmatic ads are still there, ad-blocking will be growing, meaning that the ad industry will need to find ways around it.

2)
Intellectual involvement meaning ability to affect implementation.
I have to disagree with you here. There were no means for me to actually affect the implementation. As I have already mentioned, the core of my conflict with Mass CTO, Pankov, was that he was not making sense to me. At least I could not understand how exactly is he going to merge the service into the RTB framework. I mean who will pay who for what by what means. I have asked that question many times, with no answer. I still think Mass is a promising project with unique positioning. There’s just no reason for you to blame me as I have never envisioned or planned any pre-programmed failure.

3)
Russian issue.
Here I would agree with you. Russia has been a controversial place and international legal entity for decades, but in 2014, after invading Ukraine, it became illegitimate. As a matter of fact, it became illegitimate even earlier, with faked parliament and presidential elections, as it is obvious to anyone who believes Carl Friedrich Gauss more than Putin:
(http://politika.eizvestia.com/vybory-2012/full/matematicheskoe-dokazatelstvo-falsifikacij-na-vyborah-grafika
http://trv-science.ru/2011/12/20/matematika-vyborov-2011/
[Suspicious link removed]/@nikolayistomin/378008


there are tons of more evidence).

I am proud to say that I have officially left Russia and asked for EU residence right after the Crimean events, for that exact reason not to be associated with the massive crime. So you probably should at least consider the fact that I have to deal with my native state already being occupied by criminals, while you are only facing mere threat from occasional outside guests. And I support the point of view asking anyone with potentially legit intentions “what the hell are doing in Russia?”. That is exactly what I meant in my item #7 concerning giving to the Mass management.



Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 23, 2017, 12:43:43 AM
@Know-ledger: thanks for sharing your side of story.

I have few questions to you, which whould tremendously help understanding the pucture:

1. What is your name, first of all? :) Are you Alex Kontegna, or Alexey Oschepkov, or both?

2. Are you the one who was posting under the "massnetwork" account on Bitcointalk? If not, then who that was?



Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 23, 2017, 08:31:40 AM
@Know-ledger: thanks for sharing your side of story.

I have few questions to you, which whould tremendously help understanding the pucture:

1. What is your name, first of all? :) Are you Alex Kontegna, or Alexey Oschepkov, or both?

2. Are you the one who was posting under the "massnetwork" account on Bitcointalk? If not, then who that was?



Drays open your eyes, they are both involved in this. See my post below.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 23, 2017, 08:41:53 AM
Know-ledger stop trying to distract us with Russian talk. Nobody has suggested a crime has taken place because of the nationality of the founders.

1) you say you know nothing of the mass strategy or ICO funds. Yet you are a long term partner of Alex Kuzmin and have attempted several schemes since mass. See point

2) Your statement that this Knowledger project has nothing to do with Mass or Swish coin is another lie. Look at the knowledger website. It clearly advetises a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass)  and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me).

You have a clear partnership with Kuzmin and if you haven't once asked where all these ICO funds go, then you're either stupid or already aware.

And finally the big question which you failed to answer is where did the mass ico funds go?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Know-ledger on February 23, 2017, 08:22:24 PM
Know-ledger stop trying to distract us with Russian talk. Nobody has suggested a crime has taken place because of the nationality of the founders.

1) you say you know nothing of the mass strategy or ICO funds. Yet you are a long term partner of Alex Kuzmin and have attempted several schemes since mass. See point

2) Your statement that this Knowledger project has nothing to do with Mass or Swish coin is another lie. Look at the knowledger website. It clearly advetises a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass)  and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me).

You have a clear partnership with Kuzmin and if you haven't once asked where all these ICO funds go, then you're either stupid or already aware.

And finally the big question which you failed to answer is where did the mass ico funds go?

My site simply shows the docs that are (1) written by me and (b) if clients that have bought the content don't mind. Mass bought one of the docs shown. Swish — another. I might link docs to the projects that used them or I might not depending on whether I wish to promote someone else's brands on my resources. Swish management, as a matter of fact, decided not to implement the essence of the doc, at least for now, as far as I know. I suggested them to move from being restaurant-centric. Regarding swish, I dealt with Mr. Alongi, not Kuzmin, if anyone cares.

I am not a partner with Kuzmin, he is my client. Two different things. Yes, I have a doc proving that. And I know nothing indeed of his or his enterprise's state of finance. I did let Kuzmin know that people express worry here. I'm pretty sure he will assign someone to deal with it.

Mass is not a "scheme", it's a reasonable project with functioning software. I don't know how many downloads are there for now but it's too early to make judgments—it might gain traction pretty fast. Coin price depends directly on how many people use the app. It doesn't really depend on how well a company or dev team does at a particular point in time.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 23, 2017, 11:30:29 PM

My site simply shows the docs that are (1) written by me and (b) if clients that have bought the content don't mind. Mass bought one of the docs shown. Swish — another. I might link docs to the projects that used them or I might not depending on whether I wish to promote someone else's brands on my resources. Swish management, as a matter of fact, decided not to implement the essence of the doc, at least for now, as far as I know. I suggested them to move from being restaurant-centric. Regarding swish, I dealt with Mr. Alongi, not Kuzmin, if anyone cares.

I am not a partner with Kuzmin, he is my client. Two different things. Yes, I have a doc proving that. And I know nothing indeed of his or his enterprise's state of finance. I did let Kuzmin know that people express worry here. I'm pretty sure he will assign someone to deal with it.

Mass is not a "scheme", it's a reasonable project with functioning software. I don't know how many downloads are there for now but it's too early to make judgments—it might gain traction pretty fast. Coin price depends directly on how many people use the app. It doesn't really depend on how well a company or dev team does at a particular point in time.

Know-ledger, I asked you two questions above in this thread. Could you please answer them. If your actions on the project are/were legit, and are telling the truth here, I think it should be very easy for you to address them.
By avoiding them though, you just prove you have something to hide.

They are very simple, and here they are again, for your convenience:

1. You never presented yourself here. What is your (sur-)name? Are you Alex Kontegna, or Alexey Oschepkov, or both?

2. Are you the one who was posting under the "massnetwork" account on Bitcointalk? If not, then who it was then?


Please note there is a reason I ask those questions, its not just my idle curiousity.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 24, 2017, 08:35:33 PM
Know-ledger stop trying to distract us with Russian talk. Nobody has suggested a crime has taken place because of the nationality of the founders.

1) you say you know nothing of the mass strategy or ICO funds. Yet you are a long term partner of Alex Kuzmin and have attempted several schemes since mass. See point

2) Your statement that this Knowledger project has nothing to do with Mass or Swish coin is another lie. Look at the knowledger website. It clearly advetises a blockchain based ad revenue generator (sounds like mass)  and a food payment solution for restaurants (sounds like swishcoin to me).

You have a clear partnership with Kuzmin and if you haven't once asked where all these ICO funds go, then you're either stupid or already aware.

And finally the big question which you failed to answer is where did the mass ico funds go?

My site simply shows the docs that are (1) written by me and (b) if clients that have bought the content don't mind. Mass bought one of the docs shown. Swish — another. I might link docs to the projects that used them or I might not depending on whether I wish to promote someone else's brands on my resources. Swish management, as a matter of fact, decided not to implement the essence of the doc, at least for now, as far as I know. I suggested them to move from being restaurant-centric. Regarding swish, I dealt with Mr. Alongi, not Kuzmin, if anyone cares.

I am not a partner with Kuzmin, he is my client. Two different things. Yes, I have a doc proving that. And I know nothing indeed of his or his enterprise's state of finance. I did let Kuzmin know that people express worry here. I'm pretty sure he will assign someone to deal with it.

Mass is not a "scheme", it's a reasonable project with functioning software. I don't know how many downloads are there for now but it's too early to make judgments—it might gain traction pretty fast. Coin price depends directly on how many people use the app. It doesn't really depend on how well a company or dev team does at a particular point in time.

How can mass.network be a Project when there is no team behind it? Not a single dev. It is a scam.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 24, 2017, 08:45:43 PM
Still no reaction from "Know-ledger". It looks like I have to answer my own questions myself. I will do that soon, if the person called "Know-ledger" continue to play hide'n'seek. The answers are not that complex, but they are going to reveal some lies.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 24, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Ok, so here we come. I am answering below my own questions, which were deliberately ignored by Alexey "Knowledger" Oshchepkov. Ignored - just because if he answers them, it will be clear he is a lier.

Answer number 1: Alex Kontegna is a pseudonym used by Alexey Oschepkov aka "Know-ledger" aka "Swishcoin" aka "massnetwork".
The company of Oshchepkov is called "Kontegna" too, and is registered in Lithuania (though he personally claims to be in Sweden): http://rekvizitai.vz.lt/en/company/kontegna/

Answer number 2: as "pianist" (Alexander Pankov) mentioned here in November (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1598276.msg17029656#msg17029656), the "massnetwork" account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=891090) is opened and owned by Alexey Oschepkov. As we all can see, the posts from that account have started coming on Aug 23 2016, when he opened the first (later abandoned) thread for MASS Network, and go all the way to end of November 2016.
I have made a copies of all the posts of "massnetwork" account, just in case if Oschepkov comes here to delete them.

What does that mean?

It means Alexey Oschepkov is a lier and post probably, a scammer too.

See here:
6) In mid-September 2016 I was kicked off the project by Alexander Pankov with the extremely rude wording "I don't need you in the project, being impertinent to me is your life-lesson". I can prove that to any entity and will insist that in any court should that take place.

7) Later, along the project development, Alexander Kuzmin accurately calculated my participation and let me off, fulfilling all obligations to me, after his purchase of the entire thing, with no objections from my side whatsoever. I also had relations with him in the Mycelium Card project (https://card.mycelium.com) years before, where he also behave himself as a gentleman. I have no grounds to suspect him in any wrongdoings. He was indeed an escrow of the funds, according to his own words. I have zero knowledge on how funds received during the crowdsale were used, though.

Here Oschepkov-Contegna suggests he was not participating in the project since September 2016, as after Kuzmin has aquired MASS (that was in early October 2016), Oschepkov got his money and completely left the project.

That is a blatant lie, because

1. "massnetwork"=Oschepkov was posting on Bitcointalk a lot in November, and he was the one who introduced the notorious scam-like late investor bonus of 55-65%, and was actively defending that highly illegitimate action. The history of that account can be viewed here, or if it is deleted, I will publish the copies saved at "archive.is".

2. Articles mentioning Oshchepkov as "Chief Operating Officer" (!!!) are published in Nov 6 2016:
http://coinalert.eu/20161113112729-Blockchain+Advertising+Platform+Sees+Micro-Payments+Made+Possible+By+Bitcoin.html
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/mass-network-believes-micro-payments-made-possibly-bitcoin/
http://www.missfq.com/blockchain/blockchain-advertising-platform/
http://www.wanbizu.com/news/201611088061.html

This proves Alexey Oschepkov was actively working for MASS Network in a chief executive position, till the very end of crowdfunding.

Then he got his part of ICO money from Kuzmin (there is a reason to think it was 20% of the whole fund, but that is not verified), and run away to scam people with his new "projects".



Folks, if we don't get clear answers, and will still be fed with bullshit, we need to spread the word. Those scammers have real names, and they have some reputation in Crypto world, which helped them to organise several money grabs. They either need to start telling truth and deliver on their promises, or be stamped as scammers, with that reputation being ruined, and hopefully with some legal implications.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: robelneo on February 24, 2017, 09:56:34 PM
Now that pianist is involve here,we should stop posting in the announcement thread,and focus here,he could delete all important details about the whole network because he is the thread starter and it is moderated,Pianist maybe knew that this could happen so he set it to moderated thread,scam coins are like that.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: pianist on February 25, 2017, 12:02:59 AM
Ok, guys, I can go to this thread if you think that I can delete something important. :)

I have chosen "moderated" thread there just to have ability to remove spam posts, nothing more.

Most of you would be happy to get a job offer from Mycelium 6-7 month ago: well-known brand, interesting project. Moreover, I was told that Bitfury will provide payment solution based on Lightning Network, that's what I liked and I accepted Kuzmin's offer.

Yes, my mistake was to accept an offer. I did not know Kuzmin/Oschepkov before. Moreover, it was a mistake to start new thread on BCT. But as CTO I had to tell technical details about implementation.

I could not imagine that Mass could be a scam project! Charlie Shrem, Sasha Ivanov (Waves), Colu team, Bitfury... I talked with these guys about Mass, we discussed a lot of questions, why should I think something bad?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Know-ledger on February 25, 2017, 12:25:29 AM
Still no reaction from "Know-ledger". It looks like I have to answer my own questions myself. I will do that soon, if the person called "Know-ledger" continue to play hide'n'seek. The answers are not that complex, but they are going to reveal some lies.

Normally, you should introduce yourself before asking for that kind of information from someone. I did make my statement the other day and answered reasonable and polite questions.

The information I have provided earlier here is correct:

  • Mass is my former client.
    Kuzmin is a representative of this client.
    Kuzmin is not my partner, I do not co-own anything with him or any other person who worked for him.
    I never attempted to hide an identity or anything like this, I just don't answer questions asked publicly by an anonymous.
    I was actually kicked off from participation in Mass in September by Pankov.
    I haven't taken any "executive" participation in the project at any time. I have created some of the content and much of the concept and never hidden that. That has always been advertised on my sites.
    I never controlled any accounts belonging to the company including those in social media.
    I have all the official papers concerning my relations with my client and can present to whatever authorized party.
    As far as I can judge Mass hasn't violated any conditions that all ICO participants agreed with.
    As far as I can judge there's no reason for projects owners to throw it away at this advanced stage.
    I wrote to Kuzmin using the contact that I had but I haven't received any reply yet. There might be some serious matter with him.
I'd suggest contacting wallet employees, they might have a more direct access to him.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 25, 2017, 06:42:46 AM
Ok, guys, I can go to this thread if you think that I can delete something important. :)

I have chosen "moderated" thread there just to have ability to remove spam posts, nothing more.

Most of you would be happy to get a job offer from Mycelium 6-7 month ago: well-known brand, interesting project. Moreover, I was told that Bitfury will provide payment solution based on Lightning Network, that's what I liked and I accepted Kuzmin's offer.

Yes, my mistake was to accept an offer. I did not know Kuzmin/Oschepkov before. Moreover, it was a mistake to start new thread on BCT. But as CTO I had to tell technical details about implementation.

I could not imagine that Mass could be a scam project! Charlie Shrem, Sasha Ivanov (Waves), Colu team, Bitfury... I talked with these guys about Mass, we discussed a lot of questions, why should I think something bad?


Have you seen the post above from Alex Oschekpov? He says you kicked him off the project and he wasn't a project founder.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: pianist on February 25, 2017, 08:27:23 AM
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Have you seen the post above from Alex Oschekpov? He says you kicked him off the project and he wasn't a project founder.

Yes, it's true, I told Kuzmin that I don't want to work with him, because Oschepkov was rude, incompetent and asked me to do fakes for ICO. Later Kuzmin returned him, because I told that he should make refund and restart ICO new way not to become scam. :(

ICO was not prepared well, I told many-many times in November: make refund and start new ICO with clear rules. I did not quit because devs were working on project, we were on our way to release Mass Android browser.

After "55% bonus" I quit the project. I asked Kuzmin who did this, and he told me that was OSCHEPKOV IDEA to boost ICO. I told him that I don't work with Mass anymore.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: pianist on February 25, 2017, 08:57:31 AM
One important note.

At the moment when I told Kuzmin that do not want to work with Oschepkov, I did not know that they are in long term partnership and work together for many-many years.

If I knew that they are partners, I won't continue working.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: ged00u on February 25, 2017, 09:02:09 AM
One important note.

At the moment when I told Kuzmin that do not want to work with Oschepkov, I did not know that they are in long term partnership and work together for many-many years.

If I knew that they are partners, I won't continue working.

Yeah. Even when you stop working with them, you have never warned investors to stay away from the project and as you can see, there are more than 300 Bitcoin stolen after this scamming project. I do not want to hear any excuses from you. You are bad, you have to admit that
And now, you should do something to help other people to recover their money


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Colba2017 on February 25, 2017, 09:13:04 AM
Was Kuzmin's wife Ekaterina involved in business with Oschepkov in 2008-2014?

Were "Know-ledger" and Kuzmin partners for many years? Three ICOs?

http://www.rusprofile.ru/id/1638922

Here is a query to Yandex to find this document:
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%9E%D0%90%D0%9E%20%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%20%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%B7%D1%8C%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2&lr=213


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: pianist on February 25, 2017, 09:53:31 AM
Even when you stop working with them, you have never warned investors to stay away from the project and as you can see, there are more than 300 Bitcoin stolen after this scamming project.

First of all, I'm here to help you, and may be a project. Not to excuse for anything.

Why I did not announce? I did not want to harm the project, devs were working. I expected new releases in January, it was surprise for me that development stopped.

Moreover, some guys from Mass team very sad, they wanted me to be on board. They all believed in Mass.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 25, 2017, 10:00:49 AM
I think pianist could've come clean earlier, however the damage was already done.
The blame in my opinion lies with Kuzmin and Ospeckchov. They are undisputed tightly connected and long term partners.

@knowledger / Alex Ospeckchov, you lost all respect when you failed to tell us about where the ico funds went. That fact you tell us mass is an advanced project (yet it has 0 team members) is a joke. It destroys your credibility.

You are at the centre of the these scams alongside Kuzmin and there will be consequences eventually.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 25, 2017, 12:57:29 PM
Guys, it is very natural and explainable why pianist did not come up earlier with the accusations. Those developers (pianist and his team) were honestly devoted to the project, trying to do everything depending on them, so it could succeed. Even thought he left, other devs were still believing, and would have been very unfriendly and just plain wrong for him to damage the project's image without being 100% sure it is going to be scam.

I also had suspicions and was very unhappy with this project for a long time (right after 55% bonus introduction), but tried to refrain from damaging posts at that time, because the project was still alive, and we all wanted the best for it. I believe the same is true for pianist, in mych bigger extend.

Also please note - at the moment when pianist came to the point where he has left, it was too late to warn anybody, as investment were already done and ICO finished.

No need to accuse pianist, he seems to be our only friend here, and is being honest and helpful, as far as I can see.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 25, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Better to concentrate on the lier Alexey Oshchepkov. As you can see, even when I put the facts straight, he avoided commenting on any of the real points.

 - Who was behind "massnetwork" account? He neither admitted, nor denied it was him. He tells he had not run any of the media accounrs for Mass, but refuses to tell who run the "massnetwork" account then.
 - Why media articles mention him to be the Chief Operation Officer, while he denies he had any executive position.
 - How it happens that media articles are published in November with him being the main focus, when according to him, he left the project in September.

Bunch of lies, and a foul play from his side is obvious.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 25, 2017, 10:33:00 PM
Oh, I found this post from "massnetwork":

Your "team" (no linked in profiles) are more 50% off Russians. The topic starter account is Russian.

Why are you pretending to have folowing addres: Noigem Establishment, Landstrasse 97, 9494 Schaan, Liechtenstein

All we have now is lending ICO page, how serious investor can trust you? It's impossible to believe that all of your "team" is real people.

How can you prove that you are not HYIP makers but serious TEAM?

Why didn't use ESCROW for ICO?


You can easily find and contact advisory board members since they are quite well known in their fields (and ask them whether we are real :)). Good point about the links, though. Will add.
Only two of our team members have real life connection to Russia, so there's no reason for us to base there. Take me, for example (Alexey). I have a Russian name, live in Latvia, and (imagine we set up the facility in Russia) if I want to go to Moscow by car it will turn out to be farther than Warsaw because I have to waste few hours on the EU/Russia border.

I answered the question about escrow above in this thread: the escrow people are to be elected by Advisory Board voting once all of the members have signed up. And we're still expecting at least two important members. Should be done by the next week, though.

This 100% proves the "massnetwork" account belongs to Alexey Oshchepkov, while he denied that in his last post, saying "I never controlled any accounts belonging to the company including those in social media." !

And that, in its turn, one more time proves Oshchepkov blatantly lies, when he tells he did not control MASS social media accounts (forum is a social media, right?), and also when he tells he was not working on MASS since September.

In fact, he was organizing the ICO during the whole time it was running (August-November 2016), and introduced the 55% late-investor bonus. This is proved by the post below made in November.

Why is there a 55% bonus for late buyers?  As an early buyer of ICO I feel scammed.

they are saying they will explain.

I hope so. Otherwise this is just massive ignorance on mass network.  You don't screw over existing shareholders.  This is equivalent to massive dilution and unheard of.

This is what was meant. It's going to be on the website soon (pls accept our apologies we might have some delays during the weekend):

1) Let us express the apology for the confusion and explain the procedures.

2) If you are eligible for any of the previous bonuses, the amounts invested before upgrades according to the following +15% schedule:
(a) 25 August 2016 (00:00:00) - 15 September 2016 (11:59:59) PST  —  45% —> 60%
(b) 15 September 2016 (12:00:00) - 30 September 2016 (23:59:59) PST    25% — 40%
(c) 1 October 2016 (00:00:00) - 1 November 2016 (23:59:59) PST — 10% —> 25%

3) For those who have already invested, any new amount invested on or after 25 November 2016 (18:00:00) is eligible for the bonus of 65%, not 55%.



Folks, we need an official statement from Kuzmin, maybe he can explain the discrepancies. Anyone knows how to find him? I suppose posts in different social media (like Twitter, Reddit (involving Rassah), Facebook etc) could tremendously help attracting Mr.Kuzmin's attention.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: OlegS on February 26, 2017, 04:09:37 AM
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 26, 2017, 08:16:02 AM
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?

That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: favdesu on February 26, 2017, 08:22:42 AM
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?

That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project.

mobile app last updated January...


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on February 26, 2017, 03:39:05 PM
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?

That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project.

 "They"? :)

That update is obviously written by serial lier Alex Kontegna. Not sure Kuzmin even read that.

Anyone knows a  reliable way to contact Kuzmin?
He is going to attend http://fintechrussia.ru, but that will be in the end of March.

Probably we need to organise one more crowdfunding, to collect money to publish the truth in Cointelegraph and other media. Maybe that would be enough incentive for Mass organisers to finally get in contact with their investors' community?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 26, 2017, 04:06:35 PM
https://blog.mass.network/mass-update-feb-25/
It is advised to advertise the project and at the same time ignoring all requests of investors? Kuzmin mocks us?

That so called update is an act of desperation. They obviously know they've been found out. They don't even have 1 person on the project.

 "They"? :)

That update is obviously written by serial lier Alex Kontegna. Not sure Kuzmin even read that.

Anyone knows a  reliable way to contact Kuzmin?
He is going to attend http://fintechrussia.ru, but that will be in the end of March.

Probably we need to organise one more crowdfunding, to collect money to publish the truth in Cointelegraph and other media. Maybe that would be enough incentive for Mass organisers to finally get in contact with their invertor's community?

I have no doubt Kuzmin is involved.

Maybe the media would accept Mass coins as payment.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: gold969 on February 26, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
now I do not understand anything. update is made to not accused of fraud? maybe they are working? who tested the Mass Android Browser?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on February 26, 2017, 05:54:20 PM
now I do not understand anything. update is made to not accused of fraud? maybe they are working? who tested the Mass Android Browser?

Do your research. How can they be working on the browser when they have no devs.

The browser hasn''t changed since pianist last updates which happened during the ICO.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Fargo on March 02, 2017, 12:57:08 PM
Ok, guys, I can go to this thread if you think that I can delete something important. :)

I have chosen "moderated" thread there just to have ability to remove spam posts, nothing more.

Most of you would be happy to get a job offer from Mycelium 6-7 month ago: well-known brand, interesting project. Moreover, I was told that Bitfury will provide payment solution based on Lightning Network, that's what I liked and I accepted Kuzmin's offer.

Yes, my mistake was to accept an offer. I did not know Kuzmin/Oschepkov before. Moreover, it was a mistake to start new thread on BCT. But as CTO I had to tell technical details about implementation.

I could not imagine that Mass could be a scam project! Charlie Shrem, Sasha Ivanov (Waves), Colu team, Bitfury... I talked with these guys about Mass, we discussed a lot of questions, why should I think something bad?


Disappointed with this guy lately.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on March 17, 2017, 09:47:22 AM

Kuzmin is a convicted fraudster who has served jail time - http://rusnewsjournal.com/3/69588/


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on March 22, 2017, 03:31:00 PM
MASS coin. Swish coin. Mycellium Tokens. ALL SCAMS!


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: robelneo on March 23, 2017, 01:17:57 PM
MASS coin. Swish coin. Mycellium Tokens. ALL SCAMS!

What is the progress of this scam project,there should be one,Mass network has scammed huge money,it's an orchestrated scam if we cannot  put these people in their right place.There will be more scam projects from this team unless this people are caught.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: leinstyle on July 09, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
MASS coin. Swish coin. Mycellium Tokens. ALL SCAMS!

What is the progress of this scam project,there should be one,Mass network has scammed huge money,it's an orchestrated scam if we cannot  put these people in their right place.There will be more scam projects from this team unless this people are caught.


Definitely. Its really sad and frustrating :(


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: zuzuca on July 27, 2017, 08:52:56 AM
what has this project to do with mass token?


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on July 27, 2017, 12:01:36 PM
what has this project to do with mass token?

Which mass token do you mean? Post a link, so we could see what you are refering to.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Tribute on September 20, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
confirmed scam


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: JohnSnowTrader on April 19, 2019, 01:59:00 PM
Mycelium and MassNetwork - this is SCAM!
CEO of Mycelium and owner of it, he's the owner of Waves Platform too ! He is a thief and a convict! He was in prison for theft! They steal bitcoins from wallets, shift money to others, compensate for the difference, stupidly PYRAMID! You no longer have your money, try to transfer everything up to zero today - impossible!!! They will say technical problems, the wallet will boot, etc., you can’t complete the transaction! They had blocked my btc and they have been playing games for more then half of a year - they cannot identify the client... Alexander Kuzmin is a criminal and Waves Platform is just a new brand!
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8uq93CAxkc Check video about Alexander Kuzmin, he ia a criminal!!


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: aioc on April 19, 2019, 02:41:50 PM
Mycelium and MassNetwork - this is SCAM!
CEO of Mycelium and owner of it, he's the owner of Waves Platform too ! He is a thief and a convict! He was in prison for theft! They steal bitcoins from wallets, shift money to others, compensate for the difference, stupidly PYRAMID! You no longer have your money, try to transfer everything up to zero today - impossible!!! They will say technical problems, the wallet will boot, etc., you can’t complete the transaction! They had blocked my btc and they have been playing games for more then half of a year - they cannot identify the client... Alexander Kuzmin is a criminal and Waves Platform is just a new brand!
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8uq93CAxkc Check video about Alexander Kuzmin, he ia a criminal!!

I would like to validate your accusations but unfortunately, the video is in Russian language and I cannot hire a Russian translator to translate this for me, did I read it right that the owner of Waves platform and Mass are the same I want a confirmation since I joined their bounty and got nothing.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Cent21 on April 19, 2019, 06:12:29 PM

Are you sure that massnetwork/mycelium and waves have the same owner??

This is very worring to me, cause i was scammed by massnetwork but i'm holding a few waves now....

Can you give evidence to waves and massnetwork connections??

Thanks


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: Martin King on June 10, 2019, 12:25:35 PM
Back in 2010, Alexander Kuzmin, then the mayor of the Russian city of Megion, plundered the city budget into his questionable business, for which he was put in a high-security prison, and then without any justification, allegedly for diligent behavior, was released by the authorities. Immediately after that, the former mayor ran to the USA. There, in the Silicon Valley, he began to develop his crypto-wallet Mycelium, gathering around him programmers with a stained reputation, who did not disdain to receive stolen money from A. Kuzmin.
Already in 2016, having plundered to the last the city budget, Alexander Kuzmin, convicted under several criminal articles, becomes the head of one of the most popular crypto wallets in the world – Mycelium.
The operating principle of Alexander Kuzmin’s wallet is a financial pyramid based on the blockchain. The so-called crypto-currency pyramid does not have many distinctive features from the usual financial pyramid. They have same qualities, but there is an opportunity to invest in digital assets, in case with Mycelium this is Bitcoin investments. The idea, as it turned out, is very simple: new users of the Mycelium wallet compensate for the lack of funds literally stolen from the wallets of existing users by the employees of Mycelium.
But for Alexander Kuzmin and his wife Ekaterina Kuzmina, she is, by the way, a co-founder of the UK-registered Mycelium Technologies Ltd., not enough operate a fraudulent crypto-scheme and the pyramid  In late 2016, Mycelium held ICO crowdfunding, stating in its press materials that money was needed to support future updates, as well as a desire to provide its customers with the opportunity to become interested parties in the company.  ICO made it possible for the company to distribute only 5% of the authorized capital to the owners of the tokens, then the former backend developer left the company, saying that he had witnessed the misappropriation of the collected funds of users: “One of the first things they did when they sold these tokens was that they bought a holiday in Spain for all developers. ”
Sold tokens have not been connected to any stock exchange and, as a result, they still don’t cost a penny of real money, and the fake pyramid wallet is still available for downloading to a smartphone.
Right after that investors of Mycelium suffered a disproportionate damage from a new project of Alexander Kuzmin MassNetwork, which is also a little-known, but frankly fake, and the last one has squandered 1.1 million US dollars of investors.
Mycelium now is a partner of the Russian crypto-platform Waves, which persistently promotes a fraudulent crypto-scam and pyramid. Waves is the developer of the "closed" blockchain Vostok. The Vostok, which was designed for growth and needs in power structures, is estimated at $ 120 million USA dollars.


Title: Re: [SCAM] MASS.NETWORK
Post by: drays on June 13, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
Back in 2010, Alexander Kuzmin, then the mayor of the Russian city of Megion, plundered the city budget into his questionable business, for which he was put in a high-security prison, and then without any justification, allegedly for diligent behavior, was released by the authorities. Immediately after that, the former mayor ran to the USA. There, in the Silicon Valley, he began to develop his crypto-wallet Mycelium, gathering around him programmers with a stained reputation, who did not disdain to receive stolen money from A. Kuzmin.
Already in 2016, having plundered to the last the city budget, Alexander Kuzmin, convicted under several criminal articles, becomes the head of one of the most popular crypto wallets in the world – Mycelium.
The operating principle of Alexander Kuzmin’s wallet is a financial pyramid based on the blockchain. The so-called crypto-currency pyramid does not have many distinctive features from the usual financial pyramid. They have same qualities, but there is an opportunity to invest in digital assets, in case with Mycelium this is Bitcoin investments. The idea, as it turned out, is very simple: new users of the Mycelium wallet compensate for the lack of funds literally stolen from the wallets of existing users by the employees of Mycelium.
But for Alexander Kuzmin and his wife Ekaterina Kuzmina, she is, by the way, a co-founder of the UK-registered Mycelium Technologies Ltd., not enough operate a fraudulent crypto-scheme and the pyramid  In late 2016, Mycelium held ICO crowdfunding, stating in its press materials that money was needed to support future updates, as well as a desire to provide its customers with the opportunity to become interested parties in the company.  ICO made it possible for the company to distribute only 5% of the authorized capital to the owners of the tokens, then the former backend developer left the company, saying that he had witnessed the misappropriation of the collected funds of users: “One of the first things they did when they sold these tokens was that they bought a holiday in Spain for all developers. ”
Sold tokens have not been connected to any stock exchange and, as a result, they still don’t cost a penny of real money, and the fake pyramid wallet is still available for downloading to a smartphone.
Right after that investors of Mycelium suffered a disproportionate damage from a new project of Alexander Kuzmin MassNetwork, which is also a little-known, but frankly fake, and the last one has squandered 1.1 million US dollars of investors.
Mycelium now is a partner of the Russian crypto-platform Waves, which persistently promotes a fraudulent crypto-scam and pyramid. Waves is the developer of the "closed" blockchain Vostok. The Vostok, which was designed for growth and needs in power structures, is estimated at $ 120 million USA dollars.


Though I dislike Alexander Kuzmin, as he has stolen my money in this MASSNETWORK scam, however at least some of the allegations above are false.

Particularly, they say "The operating principle of Alexander Kuzmin’s wallet is a financial pyramid based on the blockchain. The so-called crypto-currency pyramid does not have many distinctive features from the usual financial pyramid. They have same qualities, but there is an opportunity to invest in digital assets, in case with Mycelium this is Bitcoin investments. The idea, as it turned out, is very simple: new users of the Mycelium wallet compensate for the lack of funds literally stolen from the wallets of existing users by the employees of Mycelium.".

That does that mean? As far as I know, Mycelium wallet gives users full access to its private keys, so if any of the funds of any user were used to compensate other users of the wallet, the victim could easily identify this. Does anyone know about many Mycelium users (or at least few) reporting funds stolen from their wallets? If not, then the allegation above is obviously false.

And one more point - being alleged in Russia means almost nothing. Russian judicial system is completely crooked. The judges in Russia often are worse criminals than the ones whom they judge. It is not a secret almost every city major in Russia is stealing money from city budget. In fact, if Kuzmin was alleged for stealing money - it might mean he could be the rare exception - an official who didn't steal them. In Russia things are often the opposite of what they seem.

Anyway, Kuzmin is most probably a crook, but there is no need to mix true allegations with false ones.
Anyone knows if there are any attempts to catch and sue him?