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Title: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Lucius on February 22, 2017, 05:53:07 PM
In January 2017 radioactive Iodine-131 is detected in Norway(Svanhovd),and in Finland(Rovaniemi).After that traces of radioactivity is measured in Poland,Germany,France,Czech Republic,and Spain.France is first country who inform their public about it,although in all the reports is stated that the measured levels do not pose a threat to human health.

There is speculation that the source could be from a Russian nuclear testing or is come from medical use since they use Iodine-131.Although officially there was no risk to human health, no one has yet claimed responsibility for this radioactive polluting.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2017/02/radioactive-iodine-over-europe-first-measured-finnmark


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 22, 2017, 06:43:57 PM
In January 2017 radioactive Iodine-131 is detected in Norway(Svanhovd),and in Finland(Rovaniemi).After that traces of radioactivity is measured in Poland,Germany,France,Czech Republic,and Spain.France is first country who inform their public about it,although in all the reports is stated that the measured levels do not pose a threat to human health.

There is speculation that the source could be from a Russian nuclear testing or is come from medical use since they use Iodine-131.Although officially there was no risk to human health, no one has yet claimed responsibility for this radioactive polluting.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2017/02/radioactive-iodine-over-europe-first-measured-finnmark


 Given the 8 day half-life of 131I, it must be some very recent event.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on February 22, 2017, 07:19:13 PM
and in Finland(Rovaniemi)

http://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/radiation_safety_watchdog_hunts_source_of_radioactive_iodine_tagged_in_air_samples/9261478

They have it from October 2016.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on February 23, 2017, 02:14:07 AM
I assume that the source is from a Russian nuclear test, as medical usage doesn't produce this much radiation. Also, the radiation was detected in two of the countries, which share their border with Russia (Finland and Norway).


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Xester on February 23, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
In January 2017 radioactive Iodine-131 is detected in Norway(Svanhovd),and in Finland(Rovaniemi).After that traces of radioactivity is measured in Poland,Germany,France,Czech Republic,and Spain.France is first country who inform their public about it,although in all the reports is stated that the measured levels do not pose a threat to human health.

There is speculation that the source could be from a Russian nuclear testing or is come from medical use since they use Iodine-131.Although officially there was no risk to human health, no one has yet claimed responsibility for this radioactive polluting.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2017/02/radioactive-iodine-over-europe-first-measured-finnmark

Even in the smallest amount radioactive substances has effects on the human body. If you continue to intake radioactive iodine sooner or later you will feel the negative effects on your body. They are just reporting that it doesnt pose a threat to human health to avoid panic and negative reactions from the masses. Hope those radioactive Iodine will be found and be thrown away so that the public may no longer intake it.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Tyrantt on February 23, 2017, 01:53:09 PM
Well in the case of Norway and Finland, it's probably due to Russia nuclear testing on the north pole or in the seas and the ocean current has driven it over to the coast of those two countries. But as I can see it's mostly found in west EU and Northern EU, but I find it interesting that they haven't found anything in UK? So it must have came from the within the central EU. It's probably nothing, probably some factories or plants dropping their nuclear waste as they shouldn't.  :D


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: bryant.coleman on February 23, 2017, 02:30:45 PM
Well in the case of Norway and Finland, it's probably due to Russia nuclear testing on the north pole or in the seas and the ocean current has driven it over to the coast of those two countries. But as I can see it's mostly found in west EU and Northern EU, but I find it interesting that they haven't found anything in UK? So it must have came from the within the central EU. It's probably nothing, probably some factories or plants dropping their nuclear waste as they shouldn't.  :D

Last time when there was a major nuclear accident in Europe (Chernobyl in Ukraine), the radiation moved in a North-Northwest direction. Sweden and Finland were particularly affected. This might seem far-fetched. But is there any chance of a nuclear accident occurring in Ukraine? Either in the government controlled area, or in the rebel controlled Donbass?


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on February 23, 2017, 02:48:37 PM
Well in the case of Norway and Finland, it's probably due to Russia nuclear testing on the north pole or in the seas and the ocean current has driven it over to the coast of those two countries. But as I can see it's mostly found in west EU and Northern EU, but I find it interesting that they haven't found anything in UK? So it must have came from the within the central EU. It's probably nothing, probably some factories or plants dropping their nuclear waste as they shouldn't.  :D

Last time when there was a major nuclear accident in Europe (Chernobyl in Ukraine), the radiation moved in a North-Northwest direction. Sweden and Finland were particularly affected. This might seem far-fetched. But is there any chance of a nuclear accident occurring in Ukraine? Either in the government controlled area, or in the rebel controlled Donbass?

 I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occured in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: eule on February 23, 2017, 04:34:29 PM
It is likely a small leak in an eastern european nuclear power plant. Original source: http://www.irsn.fr/EN/newsroom/News/Pages/20170213_Detection-of-radioactive-iodine-at-trace-levels-in-Europe-in-January-2017.aspx


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Lucius on February 23, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
It is possible that Iodine-131 is come from pharmaceutical companies because they use that for production of radioactive drugs and there were no other radioactive substances say Astrid Liland from Norwegian Radiation Protection Authority.But there is also some incident in the French nuclear plant about a month ago so it is possible to be associated with this case.

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on February 24, 2017, 02:25:02 AM
It is likely a small leak in an eastern european nuclear power plant. Original source: http://www.irsn.fr/EN/newsroom/News/Pages/20170213_Detection-of-radioactive-iodine-at-trace-levels-in-Europe-in-January-2017.aspx

My guess as well. Look at this map:

http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/PublishingImages/IRSN_detection-iode-131_Janvier-2017.jpg

It seems that the source of the radiation was somewhere in the Balkans or the Ukraine, and it then moved in a North-Northwest direction. But then, I wouldn't expect the radiation to reach Spain. It is too far away.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: LisaLee555 on March 18, 2017, 04:06:16 AM
Sad to read this.. Unfortunately ecology is still one of the biggest issues of nowadays ( according to http://planetaryproject.com/planet_project/philosophy/ (http://planetaryproject.com/planet_project/philosophy/) ), and some facts are still hidden from us. I am afraid most of harmful processes are already irreversible.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 18, 2017, 04:41:48 AM
Sad to read this.. Unfortunately ecology is still one of the biggest issues of nowadays ( according to http://planetaryproject.com/planet_project/philosophy/ (http://planetaryproject.com/planet_project/philosophy/) ), and some facts are still hidden from us. I am afraid most of harmful processes are already irreversible.

The technology has not yet progressed to such an extent, to remove the radioactive pollution from the environment. So unfortunately, you are right. The process is irreversible and the pollution will remain for the next few decades.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: olyaru on March 18, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
It is possible that Iodine-131 is come from pharmaceutical companies because they use that for production of radioactive drugs and there were no other radioactive substances say Astrid Liland from Norwegian Radiation Protection Authority.But there is also some incident in the French nuclear plant about a month ago so it is possible to be associated with this case.

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.
This may even be a deliberate provocation of the enemy, because against Europe today and so they have developed a huge machine not only for propaganda, but for actions that have negative consequences. This is even an influx of illegal immigrants, as an example.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: bra4our on March 18, 2017, 09:18:20 AM
I will not be surprised if ISIS or any of the terrorist groups have gotten their hands on a nuclear weapon and they are trying to use it in Europe, Merkel's open door policy would have been the cause of all this.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: numismatist on March 18, 2017, 09:34:21 AM
I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occured in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?

From that question alone one can guess you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the technology. You even know about Fukushima?

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.

This always blaming the russians for everything seems to wear out.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: lilit on March 18, 2017, 11:10:40 AM
I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occured in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?

From that question alone one can guess you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the technology. You even know about Fukushima?

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.

This always blaming the russians for everything seems to wear out.
It is necessary to take into account the circumstance to whom these facts and excitement around them can be profitable. It's foolish to blame Russia, because there are many countries in the world that try to play with nuclear muscles. And no one mentioned the failed test of the new British nuclear missiles.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
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Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: coolcoinz on March 21, 2017, 06:56:34 PM
I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occured in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?

From that question alone one can guess you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the technology. You even know about Fukushima?

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.

This always blaming the russians for everything seems to wear out.
This blaming came from somewhere, you know.
Have you ever heard of the Russian nuclear powered bomber project? While the USA were struggling to launch their own nuclear engine, because they knew it's going to pose a threat to the crew, as shielding would be so heavy they'd have to reduce the load. There were also issues with fumes and separation of radioactive coolant. Russians had no such problems. Their plane crew flew without any shielding (and died) and nobody cared about the separation of radioactive fumes. They sprinkled some radiation all over the Siberia, nobody lives there anyway (at least nobody they would be worried about)...


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on March 21, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occurred in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?

From that question alone one can guess you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the technology. You even know about Fukushima?

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.

This always blaming the russians for everything seems to wear out.

 Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.



 


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 22, 2017, 01:27:25 AM
Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.

Russia is perhaps the country which is operating the maximum number of nuclear power plants in the world. Still, when was the last time you heard about an accident occurring in any of their reactors? And remember that Chernobyl was in Ukraine, and not in Russia.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on March 22, 2017, 04:00:23 AM
Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.

Russia is perhaps the country which is operating the maximum number of nuclear power plants in the world. Still, when was the last time you heard about an accident occurring in any of their reactors? And remember that Chernobyl was in Ukraine, and not in Russia.

  The US has multiple times the number of nuclear reactors that Russia has.  France also has more reactors that Russia. I believe Japan has more as well - though Japan has had a level 7 event as well but that could be considered an act of God. The reactor at Chernobyl was russian designed rbmk-1000 and Ukraine was under the direct control of Moscow ergo Russian.



Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: novemberwoah on March 22, 2017, 05:33:30 AM
Very lucky substances spread in the air when study did not pose a great danger and in small levels. Because when in the neighborhood there are iodine in high levels, these materials can contaminate food and after ingestion will accumulate in the thyroid. When it decays, the substance will damage body tissues and cause thyroid cancer. If I may assume these materials can also be derived from Iodine factory. Isotope Iodine-131 is used in medicine to treat thyroid problems and produced commercially in all of Europe. If this occurs as a result of a nuclear incident maybe that in high levels.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: wenjunnnnn on March 22, 2017, 05:45:57 AM
The radioactive anomaly was first found during week 2 of January 2017 in northern Norway. Iodine-131 was also detected in Finland, Poland, Czech Republic, Germany, France and Spain, until the end of January. But the origin remains unknown.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: numismatist on March 22, 2017, 08:25:32 AM
What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.

Now we are talking. Decomissioning a reactor in a "critical" state got me. Those Fukushima exploding roofs had been subcritical state.
Xenon-135 or Krypton-85 measurements are missing, those would hint onto a common reactor (used for energy generation) having produced the fallout.
Iodine-127 is stable (anisotop even), Iodine-131 lasts 8.02070 days (ß- decay, not a blockchain halving) so the incident could be precisely timed IF the sensor's minimal detectable amount is known. Iodine spreads easily, the others might have been detectable but knowledge about not been voiced out.

Until the other common isotopes popup I am leaning onto the assumption that a source of medical origins unlike the Goiânia accident or this crap http://iaea.org/newscenter/news/2013/mexicoradsource.html happened.

My level of interest equals that of an affected hobbyist. Would not call myself tech weary, everybody of us has some decent daily use of so many techy things we can hardly understand or built ourselfes. Nuclear power plants beeing amongst those, but I would hardly even vote for building such things anymore. This technology getting dumped by electric power industry by now merely because of production/maintenance costs.

Russia is perhaps the country which is operating the maximum number of nuclear power plants in the world. Still, when was the last time you heard about an accident occurring in any of their reactors? And remember that Chernobyl was in Ukraine, and not in Russia.
 The US has multiple times the number of nuclear reactors that Russia has.  France also has more reactors that Russia. I believe Japan has more as well - though Japan has had a level 7 event as well but that could be considered an act of God. The reactor at Chernobyl was russian designed rbmk-1000 and Ukraine was under the direct control of Moscow ergo Russian.

The japanese imported Westinghouse powerplant designs but the bigger vessels had been Toshiba as source of origins. The scene is spread internationally, not so easy to say those or them doing maintenance work at the plant. Inside some silly heads whole of russia is glowing red from radiation, but quite the opposite is true. When someone is currently (l)using control over this technology it's more likely us.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on March 22, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
Wow, that's a good analysis for someone who only dabbles in the tech as a hobby.  
  
 What I find strange is the lack of any follow-up articles on this occurrence - so perhaps there was no incident.
I don't believe Russia is glowing from radiation but they are never forth-coming with information when they have had major incidents.  They never even declared an accident had occurred in Leningrad in 1975.  They outright denied an accident had occurred when first questioned by Swedish  authorities and they continued to downplay it even as the fallout was being measured throughout Europe.  In this light, if there was evidence of a nuclear incident or accident dumping high levels of 1-131 on Scandinavia but no known cause, who should we suspect?



Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 23, 2017, 01:54:45 AM
Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.

Russia is perhaps the country which is operating the maximum number of nuclear power plants in the world. Still, when was the last time you heard about an accident occurring in any of their reactors? And remember that Chernobyl was in Ukraine, and not in Russia.

  The US has multiple times the number of nuclear reactors that Russia has.  France also has more reactors that Russia. I believe Japan has more as well - though Japan has had a level 7 event as well but that could be considered an act of God. The reactor at Chernobyl was russian designed rbmk-1000 and Ukraine was under the direct control of Moscow ergo Russian.

I agree that the US and France are having more nuclear power plants when compared to Russia, and also they generate more electricity when compared to the Russian plants. But look at the list of nuclear accidents during the last 20 years. You will not find Russia in the list.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: BADecker on March 23, 2017, 08:33:07 PM

 Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.
 

Just curious. Does tongue in cheek work by finger in opposite ear?

 ;D


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Alexzap on March 23, 2017, 08:51:26 PM
Maybe in the North sea once again accident of any Russian nuclear submarine? Why not? If NATO missed the boat the Russians never recognized in the accident. It is better to bury the crew than the West recognizes that they are not noticed Russian submarine.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Barbarian on March 23, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
In January 2017 radioactive Iodine-131 is detected in Norway(Svanhovd),and in Finland(Rovaniemi).After that traces of radioactivity is measured in Poland,Germany,France,Czech Republic,and Spain.France is first country who inform their public about it,although in all the reports is stated that the measured levels do not pose a threat to human health.

There is speculation that the source could be from a Russian nuclear testing or is come from medical use since they use Iodine-131.Although officially there was no risk to human health, no one has yet claimed responsibility for this radioactive polluting.

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/ecology/2017/02/radioactive-iodine-over-europe-first-measured-finnmark

Even in the smallest amount radioactive substances has effects on the human body. If you continue to intake radioactive iodine sooner or later you will feel the negative effects on your body. They are just reporting that it doesnt pose a threat to human health to avoid panic and negative reactions from the masses. Hope those radioactive Iodine will be found and be thrown away so that the public may no longer intake it.
Correct, there is not a safe amount of radiation even the smallest exposition to it could cause severe health problems.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on March 23, 2017, 11:32:15 PM

 Well it was a tongue in cheek question meant as a cleverly disguised dig at the Russians. Apparently so cleverly disguised, in fact, that its humourous nature even evades non-Russians.  I'm sorry if I confused you.  Russia's track record with nuclear technology isn't exactly sparkling.
  What did you want to know about what I know of Fukushima?  That an incident occurred or something more specific? I actually know a fair bit about the technology and I have extensive training as well as experience in the field.
 

Just curious. Does tongue in cheek work by finger in opposite ear?

 ;D

 Only occasionally, usually after 3 or more night shifts in a row and with greater frequency each passing year.

P.S. That was nasty :P


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 24, 2017, 09:03:52 AM
Maybe in the North sea once again accident of any Russian nuclear submarine? Why not? If NATO missed the boat the Russians never recognized in the accident. It is better to bury the crew than the West recognizes that they are not noticed Russian submarine.

Look at the pattern. If the source of the radiation was from the North Sea, then how can the Iberian peninsula get affected? From the pattern, it seems like the source was somewhere in the Balkans, with the radiation moving in a North-West direction.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Tyrantt on March 24, 2017, 09:17:33 AM
Maybe in the North sea once again accident of any Russian nuclear submarine? Why not? If NATO missed the boat the Russians never recognized in the accident. It is better to bury the crew than the West recognizes that they are not noticed Russian submarine.

Look at the pattern. If the source of the radiation was from the North Sea, then how can the Iberian peninsula get affected? From the pattern, it seems like the source was somewhere in the Balkans, with the radiation moving in a North-West direction.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/91/53891-004-88DDD871.jpg


There's a current that's going from north to south, I don't know how would it be able to go against the current that way. Maybe by the rivers but most of the rivers here are going into the Black sea or South/South-east eaither way.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: mikecgna on March 24, 2017, 09:59:40 PM
Maybe in the North sea once again accident of any Russian nuclear submarine? Why not? If NATO missed the boat the Russians never recognized in the accident. It is better to bury the crew than the West recognizes that they are not noticed Russian submarine.

Look at the pattern. If the source of the radiation was from the North Sea, then how can the Iberian peninsula get affected? From the pattern, it seems like the source was somewhere in the Balkans, with the radiation moving in a North-West direction.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/91/53891-004-88DDD871.jpg


There's a current that's going from north to south, I don't know how would it be able to go against the current that way. Maybe by the rivers but most of the rivers here are going into the Black sea or South/South-east eaither way.
We are very much concerned about the problems of others and not with what surrounds us. We have a nuclear test under our noses, others are frightened by nuclear missiles, while others can not at all contain their nuclear capabilities in the proper conditions. And we're talking about some kind of foggy radiation.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: Sithara007 on March 25, 2017, 05:55:11 AM
There are unconfirmed reports of Ukraine building a radioactive ditch along the border with the rebel-held Donbass, using contaminated machinery from the Chernobyl forbidden zone. And remember that Iodine-131 is one of the major contaminants in the Chernobyl area.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: xhomerx10 on March 25, 2017, 01:17:54 PM
There are unconfirmed reports of Ukraine building a radioactive ditch along the border with the rebel-held Donbass, using contaminated machinery from the Chernobyl forbidden zone. And remember that Iodine-131 is one of the major contaminants in the Chernobyl area.

It would be impossible for there to be any Iodine-131 on Chernobyl contaminated equipment now as the last unit was shut down in 2000 and I-131 is a short-lived fission product.  There would still be some medium-lived fission products such as Cesium-137 but the recent report of widespread contamination over Europe was for I-131 and this must be from a recent fission process.

This chart shows the relative contribution of contaminants to radiation level over time specifically at the Chernobyl site (taken from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Chernobyl_and_other_radioactivity_releases)) :

http://i.imgur.com/mLWD9vM.png


 I'm only disputing the I-131 claim.  It might be some other form of contamination if your story is otherwise accurate.



Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: StefanReed on March 25, 2017, 01:30:08 PM
There are unconfirmed reports of Ukraine building a radioactive ditch along the border with the rebel-held Donbass, using contaminated machinery from the Chernobyl forbidden zone. And remember that Iodine-131 is one of the major contaminants in the Chernobyl area.
As always you are using a tale. Where did you get this information? It's a lie! Besides, it makes no sense. Why Ukraine to infect their territory? In the Kremlin there is no mind.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: squatz1 on March 25, 2017, 02:47:21 PM
I think the artic cold descended over Europe in the early winter this year so the winds were actually north winds.  Chernobyl incident occured in April when the south winds would become more prominent.  I'm not a meteorologist however.
 There's a facility in north-western Russia used to decomission and store old nuclear reactors... Maybe they took one on for decommisioning  that was still critical?

From that question alone one can guess you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the technology. You even know about Fukushima?

Whoever did this does not want to admit it,perhaps it is still the easiest to blame the Russians nuclear testing, I even saw the information that is to blame one of their nuclear submarine which had a slight accident.

This always blaming the russians for everything seems to wear out.

Going to have to follow you on this one bud, blaming the Russians for every single issue that is occurring is just going to make us take it less seriously when the Russians actually do something and we have real evidence in order to back up our bold claims.



Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 25, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
There are unconfirmed reports of Ukraine building a radioactive ditch along the border with the rebel-held Donbass, using contaminated machinery from the Chernobyl forbidden zone. And remember that Iodine-131 is one of the major contaminants in the Chernobyl area.
As always you are using a tale. Where did you get this information? It's a lie! Besides, it makes no sense. Why Ukraine to infect their territory? In the Kremlin there is no mind.

Looking back at all the posts in this thread, first someone accused the Russians without any evidence before provoking a reply in kind from some other user. And regarding Ukraine, if you are knowledgeable about the situation then you won't be surprised. Donbass is a Russian-speaking area, and the current Kiev junta wants the inhabitants to immigrate to Russia.


Title: Re: Radioactive Iodine-131 detected over large areas in Europe.
Post by: criptix on March 25, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
There are unconfirmed reports of Ukraine building a radioactive ditch along the border with the rebel-held Donbass, using contaminated machinery from the Chernobyl forbidden zone. And remember that Iodine-131 is one of the major contaminants in the Chernobyl area.
As always you are using a tale. Where did you get this information? It's a lie! Besides, it makes no sense. Why Ukraine to infect their territory? In the Kremlin there is no mind.

Looking back at all the posts in this thread, first someone accused the Russians without any evidence before provoking a reply in kind from some other user. And regarding Ukraine, if you are knowledgeable about the situation then you won't be surprised. Donbass is a Russian-speaking area, and the current Kiev junta wants the inhabitants to immigrate to Russia.

Looking back through all the post it is pretty hilarious how wrong the russian bots are :)