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Donald Trump was never supposed to win the US election and even Brexit campaigners were surprised when Britain voted to leave the European Union, so the prospect of National Front candidate Marine Le Pen becoming French president does not seem as unlikely as it once did.

Ibtimes.co.uk : http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/field-podcast-france-poised-bitter-election-battle-can-marine-le-pen-win-1607621

It is definitely not impossible I think.
At the moment the parties in France and their candidates for the presidential election seem to be in chaos, always affairs and irregularities, but LePen also. I think we outside of France need more and better information about the mood in this country. At the Brexit all the media in my country had written that most of the British will vote for staying in the EU. But all were wrong with their assessments, the British voted for the Brexit. The same in the presidential election in US...

As much as I know and read somewhere, she has quite a huge chance of winning the elections. She has great support too and I like how her supporters are using the Hillary supporters phrase:" Are you man enough to vote for a woman?" :D and we all know what happened with Brexit and Trumps win.

I really think she can win and I'm thinkin of putting my money on her to win. :p

I really do not see this happening.

Their party won a few mayor seats, and in all these cities were a lot of polemics.

One of these mayors decided to register and make a file of all dog owners along with the dog DNA.
If a dog poop is found on the street, it will be DNA analyzed and the dog owner will receive a fine.

And so on... Just imagine if they're in charge of the country. Massive files.

It just shows how these people intend to conduct the country. They were never in charge, they don't know how this works.

For these reasons, I don't think they'll win.

Last time Le Pen (her father) got to the 2nd turn of the election, he got 20% and people massively voted against (Chirac won with 80%).
If they get to the 2nd turn, something similar should happen.

It is going to be extremely difficult for Marine Le Pen. In the first round, I have no doubt that she is going to win. But in the second round, all the mainstream parties are going to unite against her. I am still curious about who will be her opponent in the second round. If it is either Benoît Hamon or François Fillon, then there is a small chance for Le Pen. But zero chance if her opponent is Emmanuel Macron.

I agree with you.
But, if external conditions change dramatically, and, for example, another terrorist attack happen in the France during presidential campaign, than chances for Le Pen will increase dramatically.
In the state of fear people don't think logically and can vote based on their feelings, not rational thinking.
Trump and Brexit already created very good conditions for her.
She is smarter than her father and knows how to manipulate voters.
So, everything is possible, really.

Terror attacks happen every now and then in France (Bataclan attacks, truck attack, Charlie Hebdo attack.etc), and the French are more or less used to it by now. Even if some new attack occurs, it will be having only a limited impact.

That's where I think she will get more support and will get her way when all those mainstream big political parties go against her. I really hop e the best for her and we will see what will happen very soon.


Yes, the same thing that helped Trump win, will probably go into Le Pens' hand.

It is not very easy. Almost 30% of the French population is made up of immigrants, and this means that Le Pen needs to get more than 70% of the remaining vote to win the second round. It is similar to the United States, where Trump managed to win despite a heavy minority population. But Trump got 25% of the Hispanic vote. Le Pen is not going to get more than 2% of the Arab vote.

Don't think she will pass.

Mainly because she's a bitch from a rich family completely faking her character. She's a bit our French Hillary xD

But you can never know, to be fair I would love to see a final turn with Melanchon and Lepen

Hard socialist against hard... Hard nothing in fact, against a rich girl who never done anything in her life ^^

There is no chance of that happening. Jean-Luc Mélenchon has suffered a sharp drop in his ratings. As per the latest opinion polls, he enjoys less than 10% support, with the other mainstream candidates far ahead of him.

Really?
Last update I saw about him was around 18% so a rather good amount for a far left candidate!

Can't say much though, I don't really see the "normal" candidates getting more than 10%. Who in his right mind would vote for something like Fillon or Macron?

Anyone with a brain will have to chose between extreme left and extreme right. The middle is just a bunch of sold bitches. We should all behead them.

Remember the times when extremism on the left and right was crazy and the middle was the golden way?  :-\

Check this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017

All the recent polls have him at around 11% - 12%. The other candidates are far ahead, with Le Pen polling somewhere between 25% and 27%, and Emmanuel Macron and François Fillon, both struggling at around 20%.

Marie Le pen refused to go for interrogation to the Prosecutor's office. Said busy with elections and will only come after the second round. Probably wants to hide behind presidential immunity. If anyone has influence the world to be a very promising direction. Maybe she want to give the opportunity to win elections to then manage it under threat of impeachment.

Anyone who is capable of thinking logically, will come to the conclusion that the charges against Marine Le Pen are cooked up. She did the right thing by refusing to testify at the Prosecutor's office.

She can win but will be difficult.

After what already happened, I wouldn't be surprised if Le Pen would win president elections. First off all - Brexit - mostly experts said that it won't happen, but british people voted for it. Similar story on USA president elections.
Le Pen don't have big chances to win elections. But I don't trust in polls anymore - it often don't reflects real situation.

If you ask me "experts" should not be believed so much, they've been wrong on those things by far even tho they're "experts"... and if you pay them enough, those "experts" can claim whatever you want, "expert" title is being handed left and right.

In the US presidential elections, the opinion polls had it very close. According to the polls, Hillary had a lead of only around 2% or 3% during the last week of the elections. But in France it is different. The other candidates are polling around 20 points more than Le Pen in the second round.

I see it the same way. Everyone is going to team up once Le Pen is in second round (thus, she is the only opposition to mainstream that French have). Not impossible, just very, very difficult.

Also unlike Trump. Le Pen has been part of party politics for some years now. People know her, where as part of Trumps appeal was the fact, that he was never politician in the first place.

I think this is the most important point. She and her family are part of the political world for a very long time.
Her father who founded the party is an outspoken antisemit. Pretty sure she is too.

We hear a lot about criminal cases open against Marie Le pen. I think that she will become President of France or not depends not from her and not from the French, and those who lead law enforcement agencies. At any moment it can be put in jail. Another thing is whether it is.

Lol
You can't be part of the FN if you're not at least a bit racist. Can be against the jews, the blacks, the arabs or even better against all.
But you can't feel at home if you're not at least one of that ^^

The same can be said about the mainstream French political parties such as the Parti socialiste, Les Républicains, and En Marche!. You can't be a part of these organizations unless you are ready to hate the native whites.

I personally think she has a high chance of winning based on the current state of France as it is now, it's a place where many refugees arrived in and have made France a crime ridden area. I'm not saying the refugees caused all of this but it's a good climate for someone like her to go in and win an election.

She is also someone who is well liked by the PEOPLE and hated by the politicians on the other side based on how fierce she is. I think she is real feminist based on the type of way she really fights for womens rights, unlike the bullshit womens march and the whole hating men thing here in the United States.

She would have won, if only the native French people were allowed to vote. But unfortunately that is not the case. Some 30% of the French population is composed of immigrants, as a result of the French colonial rule during the 18th and 19th centuries. It will be tough for her.

What do you call the native French?
You're a native French when your parents were French? Your grandparents? When you're French since the Revolution?

I don't hate native whites. I hate idiot, and probably more native white idiots than migrants idiots because native white idiots have no excuse for being dumb. They have the education, the resources and the history to be able to think. Sadly they don't integrate their education, they waste the resources and they can't learn from history. (Talking about native white idiots)

While at least migrants idiots have some excuses for being dumb. They got no education and no resource and a poor knowledge of their own history.

AHAHAHAHAHAH
xD

Le Pen a feminist? xD
Yeah and I'm Marry Popins!

She's not a feminist. Here whole "feminist position" is against immigration as is her economical speech, her political speech, her educational speech etc...

No matter if she's right or wrong to fight immigration, you can't say she's a feminist. She's against abortion, against family planning and she voted NO against a moral text at the European Parliament that was not a harsh text but a simple one stating that abortion should be a universal right for women.

YEAH! A true feminist indeed.

On her program of 24 pages, the word women appears twice. Feminism at best.

lol. Her chances are very low (2nd round of the election) and France isn't a crime ridden area. Based on mathematics, it's NOT a place where many refugees arrived. She just want you to believe that.

I don't understand how you can say she is a feminist (she is against abortion..).

It seems to me that she's no feminist, though any woman in the depths of his soul feminist. Marie Le pen just bankrupt the leader of the party and is now trying to win elections to get rich. I am sure that for money she will go under Putin. Fools the French who will vote for it.

Thanks for having a brain too.

Moreover I'd like to add that based on mathematics there isn't a single European countries where high violences are on the rise.
Migrants or no migrants.

The highest rape rate in Europe is Sweden yeah... And yeah Sweden has lots of migrants... But you have to modify the figures. Not because "it doesn't suit my libtards ideologies" but because of Swedish legislation. In Sweden if a woman is raped my her husband or a girl by her father for the whole year, it's not considered as one rape but as 365 rapes. It's the only country in Europe counting like that and that's why rape rate is so high. Because rapes occurs 90% of the time not in the street by strangers but in the house by family (dad, husband, father in law, mother, sister...). So OF COURSE Sweden is the number one country by rape rate. If you don't believe me just check Swedish legislation, that's how they count.

Thank you very much for the answer! It makes all the difference. I am no expert on Sweden and therefore could not understand where the country pretty quiet with the mentality that the number of rapes? A typical example of manipulative statistics.

Yeah, and the problem is that it's true for lots of other things...
For example you've got countries that will count "lethal crimes" as one per death while other will count them as one per murderer. Which is obviously not the same thing!
You got to keep an eye on HOW people and legislation define the crimes, otherwise you're comparing things that are just... Too much different.

In this respect, I am always surprised when people say that the country is all right, the economy is on the rise. GDP is growing, and I and my friends are living worse and earn less money. This is probably the same. A different approach to statistics.

Native French is similar to native American. We call someone native American, if he is having a certain quantum of Amerindian blood. Same with the term "native French". Anyone with ethnic French blood is native French.

You're really a bright one bud, I've never seen someone who fully believes without an issue that the new wave of feminism today is actual and real feminism. She was going to be forced to wear a headscarf to visit  Lebanon's leader and when this news was discovered she cancelled the meeting as she wasen't going to do this.

You can perceive that in one of two ways, a publicity stunt in order to garner more support from nationalistic French supporters or a way to advocate for womens rights in the Muslim world as they're forced to cover themselves.

You also can't go ahead and say that being against abortion is something that doesn't make her a feminist, that's something that people believe today which is horrid. You have to understand that you're killing a child when you commit an abortion and people don't support such an action, so it would simple to see her be opposed to this on those grounds. I understand women have the right or should have the right to commit this, but wouldn't that constitute as a murder?

Please provide some more sources on some of your claims relating to Le Pen and MAYBE I'll take you a bit more serious on your horrid attitude towards how feminism is today, as this isn't real feminism and is just a war against men / white males / and so on.

CNN Article relating to Le Pen Headscarf - http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/europe/marine-le-pen-headscarf-lebanon-grand-mufti/

I don't think she'e gonna win because not enough people are experiencing what her voters motivate to vote for her.

The troubles just aren't big enough for the greater portion of the nation to unite behind a righwing politician. The greater portion has socialist employers, or are one themselves, so they'd be crazy to jeopardize their position in support of an oposition to what fills their bankaccounts every month.

Won't happen. And that's a small disappointment for anyone interested in politics.



 

Personally I hope not.
But who knows. In the past, much surveys had been wrong ... as in poland, to the Brexit or in the US.

I dont trust opinion polls any longer i think its best to see how the voting goes during the elections. The polls has been wrong, so  very wrong on two big elections last year. Its reputation has been marred in the dirt.

Yeah abortion is only murder in sub sahara africa and the USA :)

French is not an Ethnic group. That's why I'm asking what do you call a native French.

We say native Americans because it makes sense as they developped on their side of the world in a genetically slightly different way.
But what do you call French native?

I can't discuss with someone believing that :/

It's like saying "you're making a genocide everytime you masturbate".
That's a nonsense, if you believe abortion is murder you're just an idiot and you're EXACTLY the reason why feminism is still needed.
Feminism isn't war against men, it's war against men that want to impose their non-logical reasoning and arbitrary values to women.
And that's exactly what you seem to be.


For the sources:
Here is the report FN voted against, indeed voting against measures implemented to reach equal wage seems VERY FEMINIST
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A8-2015-0015+0+DOC+XML+V0//FR

Anyone interested in politics but without a brain ^.^

Anyone has any rational reason to vote Le Pen?
Cause on the 24 pages of her "program" there isn't much to save...

LOL dogpile. Indeed, the french revolution has not happened for something like that as an outcome.
There seems to be no hightened demand on fascism or "Frexit" on the rather laissez passer average population.

Those two things are so highly unrelated that I think it's pretty funny that you attempted to say that they my saying of "abortion is murder" fits the saying "You're making a genocide everytime you masturbate"
I'm going to skip the part about you saying you don't want to debate / discuss with me as you simply went on to speak more into it, so please make sure next time to not contradict yourself. Now going back on topic with all of this, a Sperm cell when it comes out of the Penis is just sperm coming out of the penis, that's not a fully grown baby inside of a women's womb. Sorry, just attempting to debunk your horrible attempt at a claim.

If you don't feel abortion is murder, like you've went ahead and stated, right before I'm about to give birth I could go ahead and stab the baby to death in my stomach and this wouldn't be murder under your same thinking. As I personally don't think that you acknowledge the baby as a human being when it is in the stomach of the mother who is carrying it.

Please go ahead and find me some information on "MEN WHO WANT TO IMPOSE NON-LOGICAL REASONING AND ARBITRARY VALUES TO WOMEN" and don't bring my claim of abortion in, as that's something in which you can't say is without logic and reasoning behind it on my part. I'm a man in the world who doesn't want to allow innocent children to die in the womb and I don't think that's so horrible.

I do agree with abortion occuring for rape victims, other sexual victims and so on but that doesn't seem like the claim you're attempting to battle here so that seems like a waste of time in it.

I also highly doubt you read this report that you linked me too (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A8-2015-0015+0+DOC+XML+V0//FR) so I went through the liberty of looking at the bottom and looking through the votes and it doesn't seem that Le Pen voted on it and I don't know any of the members of the NF off the top of my head so you may want to get some more data and evidence.

Gosh, wasn't that fun?

I think she is going to win, her support among the population is growing every day while the opposition is unable to find a way to stop it, and those are the number given to us by the news media which means Le Pen is a lot closer or even above the opposition at the moment.

That's not a discussion or a debate, it's like 2 people talking about the same blue painting, one seeing it blue and the other seeing it red. There is nothing to discuss as it's a question of one being able to understand the difference between reality and imagination, and the other not being able to do so.

How could I discuss with someone believing that an embryo is a baby? While there is no brain, no neuronal activity, no nerves... Nothing...
And please don't talk about abortion at 8 months, there is no European country where it is legal unless incredible medical problems.
Otherwise abortion is made when the embryo is not bigger than a bean. It has nothing that could qualify it as a living being.

Maybe I was a bit harsh saying you have no reasoning. It's just that your "reasoning" is based on assumptions so false that it doesn't matter how brilliantly you can conduct it.

We're not on the last week before elections, and the polls at 2 months before were showing spreads like Mrs. Clinton 46%, Mr. Trump 39%.
At Iowa, the spread went from 2.5% at last poll to 10% of actual result or Wisconsin giving on the last polls Mrs. Clinton an 8% advantage being the electoral result of 0.5% on Mr. Trump's favor.
So, yes, polls can't predict much and can fail for a large margin. Being FN way worse than Mr. Trump, I wouldn't be surprised if the error margin was somewhere between 10 to 30 pp.

In the rust belt states such as Wisconsin and Michigan, they got it completely wrong. No one expected Trump to sweep the rust belt (with the exception of Minnesota and Illinois). Can this repeat in France?

Exactly. If Trump can win, with a decidedly divisive campaign platform, well dammit, Miss Le Pen should do just swimmingly.

But how this augurs for the current state of humanity, is another topic entirely.

I'm just going to leave you with a nice little week by week development chart for growing fetus' so you're able to understand all of this, as It seems that you think that I will only consider a baby an actual human being at 8 months or something along those lines. Also, I'm focusing more on Abortion on the United States even though this is a topic relating to Marine Le Pen in France.

 I may not be fully familiar with the Abortion law in France and other European countries but I'd love to be enlightened by someone like you (an expert on the topic!)

All jokes aside, I'm going to be feel a baby is a ALIVE once it is Around week 8, I hate to put a number on something like this but you seem like the person who is going to pry it out of me. Still, killing a potential human being to the earth at ANY POINT in production is still horrible.

http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

Humanity will be perfectly fine, at least in France. For the sake of humanity, the French can't flood their country with unwashed hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. France is a small country with a population of just around 60 million. It can't absorb all the 1.2 billion people living in the Sub-Saharan Africa.

France need a new leader, a new breed of leader that will bring change to the country. Marine Le Pen is that person that can turn the tide of dirty politics in France. But even if she win the election she will have a hard time facing the force of the corrupt government system. If she is strong willed then probably he can restore the order and balance again in the government of France.

I'm a bit of an expert yeah, at least as much as anyone having sexual relations should be. (not saying you don't, saying that anyone should be aware of such rules in his own country).
I perfectly understand how hard it is to put a number on this.
I'm not saying it's obvious or whatever, it's just that you HAVE TO if you want to make a law.

Well you say week 8? In France we decided it was week 12. When the neural path is more or less finished constructed and nerves and muscles start working.
Not so wrong isn't it?
No.
YOU find that horrible.
I find FAR MORE HORRIBLE to make it mandatory for anyone to have a baby if they didn't want. You're going to talk about contraception? Talk again. No contraception is safe. And you could say that you can use additional contraception means? Well for a very personal example, my wife can't take the pill, it's physically impossible. So it let us one mean of contraception and it is NOT 100% reliable.

So what do you think is worse? Let a child live in a family that is not able to support him and doesn't want him (cause yeah some people don't want children) or just getting rid of a foetus which, even at week 36, still has nothing much in common with a living human being?

Today they started shooting at François Hollande supporters at Villognon. But no worries, merely has been the security!

I'm eating my words regarding fascism. Le Pen will win, and we're all boned.

"We're not fascist"
Well you preach high security measures, violent law enforcement and strong state power...
You also want to do this without additional intervention of citizens...
What do you call that if that's not fascism?

You can hold her some hope if she has soiled in corruption schemes. As President she will work out the money that she gave to Putin, and he is interested in the collapse of the European Union. If the French choose it they will make a big mistake.

LOL, because her whole campaign was only about immigration (I'm being sarcastic). What about her stance on Jewish citizens revoking Israel? What about her plans to greatly increase prison infrastructure and police spending to preserve "law and order"? And why are people so damned afraid of Muslims? Don't they get that the average Muslim has a life, and bills and kids and shit, and doesn't have time to actively plot the demise of non Muslims? The people blowing shit up are fucking nutjobs, it would be akin to if I screamed out " What would Jesus do bitch?! " before committing some horrible crime. That would make me a crazy head. Not Christian.


What's your definition of humanity? If we meant people acting in their own interest at the expense of others, then yes, the current wave of populist fervor sweeping the globe is quite human

The problem is that no one is going to ask permission from the French. Muslim immigrants just like cockroaches crawl across the country and then try them out. Soon they will begin to give birth to children and hide behind them from deportation.

People like you are the reason I haven't leaved the country yet.
Seems there are SOME (not enough, but some) people that still use their brains to think with reason and logic.

Increasing police strength and prisons can only have one consequence, the increase of criminality and uprisings in the country...
There is NOTHING in Le Pen program that is both realistic and can positively impact society. Or at least I'm still waiting for someone to point it out.

Unfortunately nowadays we see a large number of populist power-hungry. The first course opened this topic in London. Their exit from the European Union significantly weakened the position of Europe, and thus does not make life easier for ordinary Britons. Then there was Trump. Only in America a lot of limitations to Trump so he has not destroyed America. In Europe there is no such restriction and this is a big problem.

I just love how people are actually talking of Le Pen as someone "trustable" while she's clearly used her deep family connexions to get maximum of money she could...

And on the other hand no one here seems to talk about Melanchon and his will to get read of corruption and politics abusing power...

We have ONE candidate who clearly says "I'll give back the power to the people by letting you decide on your constitution" ad no one gives a fuck.
Cool.

Not even his supporters know Jean-Luc Mélenchon's name?

There are no explanatory patterns for this effect. Sanders, Grillo, Melenchon something makes their names disappear. Maybe they invented something water soluble  8) that causes amnesia on everything leftwing associated.

Ahahahahah xD

Ok ok guilty here!
Well to be fair I don't give a fuck about his name.
It's his program that appeals me. He could be named "JC Dickbutt" that I couldn't care less :p

Already close to 40% of the children born in France are non-white, with the vast majority of them being Muslim. Once these people get their voting rights, they will decide who should rule France.

What does this means?! Will go on another ridiculous system like the Greeks trying to vote out their debt?
There're limits for what Democracy can and can't do...

It means what it means: we end the fifth republic and create the sixth. And contrary to all the others, here the people will vote their constitution.

Right... any idea on what to put there?

If a majority of the Greek voters want to default on the federal debt, then their choice must be respected. The people are simply saying that they are not responsible for all that mess, and the politicians are solely responsible for the debt.

So default and pay the consequences...
And no, "politics" aren't the only ones to blame, people took advantage of the funds, it's not like the politicians alone put all to their pockets, also people said nothing while debt was going through the roof.

Yes, she can win, of course :)
Nobody believed in Brexit or that Trump can win US presidential elections and we see what happened.
It's real question how much French people still believe in their political establishment.
If they fear immigrants very much and don't trust current political leaders, than Le Pen have very good chances to win.
If such scenario happen, we will see also Freexit and probably the end of EU.

Nope. The European Union will exist as long as Germany remains interested in it. Germany needs East European slave labor, and the East European states need remittance money from Germany.

If Germany was interested in slaves that the EU did not stop its expansion. I think that is another question. Besides, now there is a powerful attack on candidates who support Russia. I think they will not become President of France. This post is a person loyal to Germany.

To the french people if you love your country YOU MUST VOTE  Marine Le Pen..

Your country will turn into a complete ghetto of Islamic crazies and your french people will be no more..

Your way of life ..Paris the city of love..No more the city of Islam it will become..

Take no notice of any other politician SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON FOR THE JOB..

Believe in me i want the best for all of EUROPE But the EU is using us like CATTLE it's time to get these fuckers out..
We must get our identities back Before we cannot say the words FREEDOM OF SPEECH..

The politicians want ISLAM because they are easy to control .

They are take a look at the middle east they control the people like slaves..

WELL WE WESTERNERS WILL NEVER BE SLAVES TO NO MF..And fuck your RELIGIONS..

HOLLAND YOUR NEXT..

The Netherlands' most popular party wants to ban all mosques | The ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Europe
28 Aug 2016 - The leader of the most popular Dutch party ahead of parliamentary elections ... in which it calls for the total “de-Islamification” of the Netherlands.



To Holland the news are trying to say your country is suppose to be a free country..
so why the hate for ISLAM..

WE ALL KNOW OUR FREEDOMS WILL BE GONE IF THESE ISLAMIC FUCKS SPREAD..

We wont be free anymore ..
NO BOOZE ..NO SMOKING WEED.. NO SEX BEFORE MARRIED..NO NOTHING :'(.

WE ARE FIGHTING OUR FREEDOMS ..

VOTE   Marine Le Pen  ..WE HAVE AN ISLAMIC INVASION ..

Our politicians are bought by these islamic crazies..

So the next French president will make sure that France remains as a vassal state of Germany? Good for the Germans. France will remain in the EU despite a vast majority of the French citizens favoring Frexit.

The scandal cost the EU agencies make herself slump lately. In addition, the French people also saw the development of the situation in the US since Donald Trump lead, appeared a number of controversial cases, including restrictions on immigration policy. The views Le Pen that anti-EU and anti-migrant is frightening many people in Europe.

Because Le Pen almost the same as Trump, the French people seem to learn from the experience in the US so ahead of the presidential election of April 23, 2017 and May 7, 2017 later, the French people will divert voice for Macron and Fillon.

Why do you think that the French are in the majority want to leave the EU? Now Peugeot buys Opel. This is to leave the EU and then running into a trade war with Germany? No, I think that nothing will change after elections in France. Besides, the right still need to win elections.

I hope she wins so she can free french people from the nazi new world order

She will not win. How can you not understand that the threat of fascism comes not from Germany but from Russia. Or want to understand? It's so obvious! Name any feature of fascism which is not suited to modern Russia.

I believe that she can and I believe that she will, UNLESS the elections are totally rigged and the elites take action to stop her. Which they very well might, they are simply losing too much control with the recent successful Trump campaign and BREXIT. They may take very serious actions to stop her.

Modern Russia is not fascistic. It's based on more advanced and complicated models and theories which can be very hard to understand to someone who still believes in decaying promises of globalism and liberal emptiness.

http://www.4pt.su/en (http://www.4pt.su/en)

Europe has long learned a lesson about fascism. These other countries play with fire and what it will lead to God alone knows.

Nobody learned anything from Fascism, starting from "what it is". So we come to a World where Fascism prevails day by day at the hands of "anti-fascists".
Fascism isn't a set of things, it's a method. A monster you mostly likely to turn into if you try to fight it without understanding what it is in the first place.

Orthodox fascism in Russia. Real video with Russian fascists. What more proof is needed, that Russia is now feeding the real fascists. Putin only says that fights against fascism, and he is an exact copy of Hitler.
https://youtu.be/HmXu6G7DTsM

Over the world changes are happening and following the trend, it seems opposition parties are really taking the day whether they have something to offer or not, people just want 'change' it happened in America and a host of countries in Africa so if a candidate is sure of what he can offer, then there is nothing stopping such from happening in a country that election matters.

Victory Trump and Brexit showed that in the Western world, the victory was to defeat populism. The Le Pen said that the victory trump will strengthen its position in the presidential race. The views of politicians are very close: they both advocate economic and political nationalism, against the admission of refugees and Islamization.
Trump and Le Pen is a populist stance against the "system" and traditional elites and called himself a "mouthpiece of the people."
Marine Le Pen is going to go the way of trump
Marine Le Pen is going to go the way of trump
Therefore, the electorate here is very similar - the front national, like the American Republicans, support white and poorly educated men who belong to the less wealthy, and disillusioned with the traditional political elite of France.
It is worth noting that the so-called political elite cannot cope with the socio-economic crisis which lasts since the 1980-ies - France's unemployment rate is among the highest in the Eurozone.
Besides, the current President of France socialist Francois Hollande beats records of unpopularity.Le Pen promises to hold a referendum on EU membership and the return of the franc. It is also for raising the minimum wage, lowering the retirement age to 60 years, reduction of taxes with the simultaneous introduction of additional tariffs on imports.
She also promises to focus on helping small and medium businesses, not corporations.
The national front has traditionally advocated the restriction of immigration and criticizes the policy of multiculturalism.Despite the similarity of the strategies of trump and Le Pen, they have more differences.
Trump was a breath of fresh air, as a novice in politics, while his rival Hillary Clinton was a representative of classical American elite, moreover, it has long been in high positions - Governor, twice the first lady and Secretary of state.
Marine Le Pen is a different case, she is a professional politician, despite the fact that her party has always been marginal in France.
In addition, opponents of marine Le Pen press on the same keys as she indicates the French political scientist Michel Martin.
I don't think she will be able to become President next year, and I don't think the election trump in the US, maybe there is something to change. Sociologists argue that marine Le Pen will be able to reach the last round of the presidential election, but lost the victory of the center-right candidate, probably Alanna Juppe. Most politicians are prone to such a scenario.

Alexander dugin is a synonym for fascism. :)

Why only Dugin? And what Putin is better? It is his policy aimed at the development of such organizations. Who has the loudest screams stop thief? The whole policy of the Kremlin 100% copies the policies of Nazi Germany.

Yeah sure... a few random videos, which were taken 20 years back is your proof of fascism in Russia. You butt-hurt Ukrainian trolls need to get a life. The real fascists are your heroes, such as Poroshenko, Tymoshenko and Semenchenko.

Less than 1 1/2 month before the first round of the presidential elections, Marine Le Pen is stronger than ever. Polls predict a comfortable victory on April 23 and the momentum is with her. The political conditions assist. Le Pen strengthen the weaknesses of her opponents. But at the international level, the Brexit, Donald Trump, the Beppe Grillo and now Martin Schulz sweep "systemic" candidates who until recently seemed to be safe. On the other side France's electoral system has developed institutional safeguards to maintain stability. According to the so-called "democratic discipline" in the first round you vote who you want. In the second one you vote against whom you fear. This time the french voters have really lost their faith in traditional political parties and they will not vote to support anyone. All they will vote against someone.

Leave your propaganda for the Russian. Because in addition to them in such nonsense, nobody believes. Call at least one symptom of the fascism that you see in the behavior of these entities. Your Putin and more fall under the definition of fascism.

Marine Le Pen as part of his platform had declared that when she wins the election she will create a local currency separate to pounds. This statement is just like saying that France is going to join the brexit and the Europian Union will make a way sto stop her winning in the election so that no more countries will leave the union anymore. The union knew that they will suffer a big deal if another country will going to exit the union.

Perhaps she should bring back the Franc and replace the Euro. Aside from the initial hiccups, it will be beneficial for the French economy in the long term. Also, the French central bank will be having better control over their national currency.

Common sense suggests that in the presidential race in France, the leader of the party "National Front" Marín Le Pen will go into the second round, and then lose his opponent, whoever he is, with a crash.

This is what normally had happened but now you have to considerate Trump's victory, the fact that if Front Nacional lose Marine le Pen will retirate and that they will probably not have other chance like this to win presidency so will try to win.

I don't think the French have something to gain from what comes out of the Eurozone and especially do not believe that the return of Frank revive the economy of France.

They are not gaining anything by continuing to use the Euro. Just check how much value the currency has lost versus the United States Dollar, during the last two or three years. I have a feeling that the Franc won't do much worse.

This is something that most pundits and people are probably going to think all the way up to the election, and I personally am one to think it's going to end up just like the US election ended up. With all the pundits being flat out wrong about the ratings and the polls + all the bullshit they were attempting to spew.

In all honesty, it is better for the people to think that it's going to be a landslide victory in Round 2 based on the fact that less of the opponents party people are going to come out and vote against Le Pen. This is the same thing that happened in the US, when Dems thought they had it in the bag so a lot of them didn't vote.

She's going to defy all odds, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

When the Euro appeared, he also rapidly gained its price. This led to the fact that to buy goods in America became more profitable. Who knows, maybe a cheap Euro is good for Europe.

The devaluation of the Euro is a double edged sword. For sure it can make the exports from the European Union more competitive. But at the same time, the inflation will go up, and the bank savings will be worth less.

Marine Le Pen would be a good leader for France, because she can start good relationships with Russia and China. Without this France will still be useless country, with no economy.

Marin Le Pen is too aggressive and her victory is doubtful. In the second round will be able to pass, but on the account of victory I doubt.

Marine Le Pen will help France in strengthening its relations with Russia, China, and the United States. But at the same time, the currently cordial relations with Germany and the other EU allies will sour. It is going to be a very difficult choice for the French.

I think she has enough chances to win. If the French want to survive, they will have to vote for Marin Le Pen.

If trump won in USA, there is no reason for Le Pen not to. France is a way more nationalist country than both Britain and USA.

And now nationalism is favored worldwide, globalism is no more.

For our Dutch friends on the forum, was curious: how did the elections play out socially around you today? Was it a shock (kinda like Trump in the US), in the way that most of the people you associate with were surprised at the outcome? I'm surprised; the handling of the Turkey thing was a plus; but Gert has a wicked following, and populism is the flavor du jour. Thoughts?

Well today (or at least I should say yesterday because it's early in the morning) there was a national election in the Netherlands and the same status-quo liberal candidate came out on top with the right-wing populist (similar to Trump) ended out in a tight second. These were just the first rounds of elections, and because there is not a lot of unity on the right in that country, the results are expected to be interesting.

The reason I bring this up is because people were expecting (or hoping) that the populist would end up winning the election -- and he lost. So could this theoretically happen in France with Marine Le Pen? Bear in mind both countries are totally different. I believe the dutch are less open to populism right now and the French are.

France has suffered through a historic amount of terrorism from radicals and thus Marine Le Pen is most likely more favourable. Additionally, she has been leading all French polls and, with a month left before the election, she's still got an extraordinary lead.

After analyzing the Netherlands' situation, I knew the populist wouldn't win simply because they weren't ready. But you cannot be too naive towards people who are mad.

The US was mad. Super mad for their failed policies on both sides of the spectrum. They voted Trump.

France is super mad because their values have been lost. They will vote Le Pen.

Nope. France is a typical European democracy, with the general population leaning much more left-liberal when compared to the United States. Also, the National Front lacks a solid voter group like the Evangelical Christians of the Southern United States.

Having looked at all that happens in different countries, with those who come to power and who are candidates for the first posts of states, it can be confidently said that something bad is going on and very large scales. I'm sometimes very surprised at the choice people make, as if he's blind.