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I've seen a lot of shilling on this forum, and I can't tell where it ends.
Can someone tell me the positives and negatives of Dash, Monero and Zcash?
Is one more anonymous than the other?

Dash and Zcash both have trusted setups--which is a no go for anyone who cares about privacy.

What do you mean they have trusted set-ups? Are you referring to fact that people know the Dash team's names and identities.
Also, do you know why the original Monero dev guy disappeared? (not a trick question, I heard something about this).

Dash depends on masternodes to provide their mixing: IE you are trusting that a few people don't control a % of the masternodes and are colluding on revealing information.

Zcash had a initial trusted setup where you are depending that those involved to destroy information in order not to collude to make more coins--also a bug could create more coins and no one would know.

Monero (and a few other cryptonote coins) has mathematically provable security that doesn't depend on you trusting a third party to reveal information--doesn't matter what happened to thankfulfortoday, it's still opensource and you can test the cryptography yourself.

Dash is definitely not better for anonymity than Bitcoin.

Monero is quite anonymous.  While Bitcoin users generally ask you not to reuse addresses, Monero enforces this.  It also makes use of different signatures which obscure what can be seen about the transaction.  However, Monero is under investigation by authorities and you should never trust that your preferred currency will be entirely safe.

Which is bullshit of course, Dash is both decentralized with its miners and its masternodes and has a trustless setup:

https://i.imgur.com/3I4RNNr.png
https://i.imgur.com/tZS0upG.png
https://i.imgur.com/96YWqpk.png

This just proves that generalizethis can not be trusted with regards to statements about Dash.

Original Monero dev left because he got voted out. He wanted to merge mine what was Bitmonero at the time so the eleven of us or so in irc voted against it forked the repo and renamed to Monero. By voted out I mean binaries of each were available to all and not many went with his fork.

Arguing that we should trust Evan to redistribute his coins is sheer stupidity and demonstrates dash's failure as a serious solution to privacy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828769.msg18217872#msg18217872

None of them are truly anonymous it already proved about listed coins transaction can be traced. Only the game is going on about this we are in anonymous war phase soon this will be over.

All transaction can be traced. So nothing is more anonymous than other

The anonymity of zcash could make is vulnerable to bugs and difficult to detect in a long time, until alot of damage had bee made. Anonymity has its disadvantages

With Dash you have an open ledger just like Bitcoin (Dash is forked from Bitcoin for compatibility reasons), but you can choose to mix your funds with other users
through a decentralized and trustless system thats actually inside your wallet and you can build up a private amount in there.
This can be done from 1 to 8 rounds, with 8 rounds forming to strongest anonymity.

You can then PrivateSend an amount from your builded-up private amount to another address and the transaction history trace will be obfisquated,
making it extremely difficult to trace your transaction on the open ledger by third parties.

Monero and Zcash are anonymous cryptocurrencies by nature, the option to provide traceable transactions for all to see is lacking there.
  
With Dash Evolution you will have different type of accounts (spending, saving, private). The private account will automatically and instantly gets mixed with other users
and be ready for use. Dash Evolution is scheduled for the end of this year, with an alpha release scheduled mid summer.  

link : https://www.dash.org/evolution/

  

You should look at Byteball
https://byteball.org/Byteball.pdf
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.0

but the received with monero has no way to say that he received the coin from someone, there is no proof with complete anonimity, and this make sending money to someone malicous very dangerous, because he can say declare the false like saying that the coins are not arrived or something, how is monero dealing with it?

You can voluntarily show your end of the transaction with a viewkey--it's much like a receipt as with cash.

PIVx and BBR both have advantages over the ones mentioned in the OP

both have some disadvantages too... however these are both worth looking into for yourselves.

Aren't a lot of those VPS hosts?

Wait until PIVX integrates libzerocoin protocol into existing POS (masternode/stake) structure. Best of all privacy/anonymous words.

500 TOR masternodes, 1200 IPv6 masternodes.

Anyone who doesn't Bittrex has almost missed the boat. Devs are progressing at a faster and faster clip.

Yes, and qwizno is aware of this fact (as it's been pointed out many times, as recent as days ago--see link) and he chooses to ignore it and to continually post graphics that are meant to fool noobs.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1828180.msg18212134#msg18212134

Qwizno, he's still waiting for an answer--it's only a rhetorical question if you are full of shit.

Zcash,Dash,monero all three are anonymous with respect to transaction but to call anyone of the more anonymous upon other is a waste..You will definitely find someone giving some explanation but at the same time another person can converse the fact. So different people different interpretations.

It looks like more than 60% of Dash masternodes are hosted on VPS's.

I would like to know how this chart shows any evidence that Dash is "decentralised", or that all those masternodes aren't owned by one person.

This is why I sold my Dash masternode and doubled-down on PIVX. Everything + community so much better.

DASH's anonymity depends on the masternodes not keeping logs of the mixing they provide.  So most probably, DASH is good enough for some form of low level anonymity.  If you are hiding from the local police, that's OK.  If you are hiding from a serious agency, that's not good enough.  It is of course way better than using bitcoin with a centralized mixer, because that mixer knows all of your mixing.  With DASH, that is the same with masternodes, but not ALL of them belong to Evan.  So you may be using some master nodes belonging to different people, and maybe they are not all logging your mixing.

Monero is quite anonymous, but not 100%.  In fact, monero transactions become more opaque over time.  What is good with monero is that ALL transactions are anonymous.  That's not the case with DASH and ZCASH.

ZCASH is, if the crypto is right, 100% anonymous between those participants that activate the anon option.  If ZCASH would have been compulsory anon, that would have been good.  But it isn't.  

The trusted setup is not supposed to harm anonymity, but just overall number of coins.  If the trusted setup is not to be trusted, those keeping the secret keys can print as many coins as they want.  But they cannot deanonimise the chain.  

Monero and ZCASH both use advanced cryptography for anonymity.  DASH only uses mixers on a transparent chain.  In principle, ZCASH anon is perfect, but this is screwed with the fact that anon is optional.  So people "see you go anon".  Monero is good but not perfect, but nobody "sees you go anon" because everybody is.

I think that this is a pretty fair analysis of Monero/Dash/Zcash. I'm glad you touched on the Zcash initial setup not effecting anonymity, even if done improperly. I was about to chime in with that, as some of the posts up thread are misleading in those regards.

If the trusted setup was done maliciously, then they could print an unlimited amount of coins undetectably, but it would not effect anonymity of Zcash transactions. The former is still pretty bad, but they were pretty transparent with the trust ceremony and I don't believe the setup was done malicously.

Honestly, I appreciate the input. I have my opinion, but it was interesting to see why people support (dash, monero etc) and the reasons. I think PIVX will not overtake Dash in same way that Etc will never overtake ETH.