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Title: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: ziggy2 on March 21, 2017, 07:04:09 AM Hello,
I have noted that in my (Windows 7) list of programs, there is a Gpg4win (2.3.2). I know it is a cryptography software. Actually when I first installed Electrum, I also intalled Kleopatra, which I thought was needed - but I'm actually not using it (...as far as I know !). Is Gpgp4win part of Kleopatra or Electrum - or is it required for either of these sotware to work properly ? I think that I don't need Kleopatra. So if Gpg4win is only related to Kleopatra, can I safely uninstall Gpg4win ? Thank you for your assistance. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: mocacinno on March 21, 2017, 07:13:03 AM Hello, I have noted that in my (Windows 7) list of programs, there is a Gpg4win (2.3.2). I know it is a cryptography software. Actually when I first installed Electrum, I also intalled Kleopatra, which I thought was needed - but I'm actually not using it (...as far as I know !). Is Gpgp4win part of Kleopatra or Electrum - or is it required for either of these sotware to work properly ? I think that I don't need Kleopatra. So if Gpg4win is only related to Kleopatra, can I safely uninstall Gpg4win ? Thank you for your assistance. gpg4win is not needed by electrum, there's a reasonable chance it was installed by kleopatra. As long as you wrote down your electrum recovery seed there is no harm that can be done by deinstalling anything... You can even format your harddisk and re-install your os as long as you have that phrase notted down on a piece of paper ;) Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: ziggy2 on March 21, 2017, 07:30:56 AM Thank you mocacinno !
If in the future I have to restore my Electrum wallet from the seed, no password will be required (shall I have to choose another pw) ? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: mocacinno on March 21, 2017, 07:34:07 AM Thank you mocacinno ! If in the future I have to restore my Electrum wallet from the seed, no password will be required (shall I have to choose another pw) ? no, the seed is sufficient, when restoring from seed you can pick any password you'd like (either the same one, or a completely new one). The only thing that seems to get lost is the labels you attached to your transactions and/or addresses. If you want to keep those, you'll have to export them periodically. Everything else is covered by the seed :) Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: pooya87 on March 21, 2017, 08:03:42 AM there's a reasonable chance it was installed by kleopatra. kleopatra IS a part of gpg4win. https://www.deepdotweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/oNLB4Kk1.png and it is used to verify the signatures on windows, it helps make the process easier. you just put file and its signature in one folder, right click on the file and in the menus select the appropriate option (think it is called verify) then it checks and reports fast and easy and newbie friendly. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 25, 2017, 04:00:28 PM Informative thread thanks.
But doesnt Electrum have its own encrytion service? Why need pgp? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 25, 2017, 06:24:25 PM Informative thread thanks. But doesnt Electrum have its own encrytion service? Why need pgp? It's for verifying the electrum wallet software you downloaded really was written by the electrum devs, and hasn't been tampered with by hackers. All the devs put their pgp keys on github, and other users in a web of trust verify those really are the dev's pgp keys. https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/tree/master/pubkeys Any pgp software can check in various databases that all the users in the web of trust agree those dev's keys on github really belong to the electrum devs. Verifying a downloaded electrum wallet has been signed with a pgp key proves it hasn't been tampered with. If a hacker switched the dev's pgp keys on github for his own your pgp software would tell you those keys don't match the keys certified by the users in the various web of trust databases. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 26, 2017, 12:31:26 AM Thanks very much for that HI-Tech,
Now all I got to do is work out how to check my electrum wallet. I'll start with your links. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 26, 2017, 03:28:57 PM Thanks very much for that HI-Tech, Now all I got to do is work out how to check my electrum wallet. I'll start with your links. The gpg4win documentation page is here. https://www.gpg4win.org/documentation.html It contains this download link to a pdf of the documentation for the software. Pages 110 to 112 explain how to use an .asc signature file to check if a downloaded file is authentic. http://wald.intevation.org/frs/download.php/1385/gpg4win-compendium-en-3.0.0.pdf These are screenshots of those three pages. https://i.imgur.com/xslzNCq.png https://i.imgur.com/UqB4etU.png https://i.imgur.com/WxIYvRm.png Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 26, 2017, 09:49:48 PM There is some kleopatra configuration you will need to complete before checking a signature.
So there are some things you need to do: Step 1: Figure out where to find the required public key and import it into your keyring. Step 2: Verify that key according to its fingerprint Step 3: Sign that key with your key, so GnuPG knows the key is valid and belongs to the specified "person" Then if the signature is valid, you should get the successful verification result upon signature verification. For step 1 you need to find ThomasV's public key and import it into your keyring. The electrum download page says both sources and executables are signed by ThomasV at present. https://electrum.org/#download Quote Sources and executables are signed by ThomasV It provides this link to a page where you can find his key. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Click a link marked 7F9470E6 [selfsig] on that page. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Another page should open containing the text quoted below (ThomasV's key). 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Some people (including that page's author) occasionally skip step 2. http://www.cymru.com/gillsr/documents/pgp-key-verification.htm Quote How many times have you received a PGP key from a public key server or through e-mail and not verified its authenticity? Truthfully this author has done just so far too often. The fact that a key is stored on a public key server does not mean it should be implicitly trusted. For step 3 you have to mark that key as trusted by you. Change the owner trust to however much you trust that key and ThomasV https://i.imgur.com/eRRXWQ9.png https://i.imgur.com/wKLkMvO.png Now you need to sign that key with your key, so GnuPG knows the key is valid and belongs to ThomasV. Follow these instructions to create your key (if you haven't already created one). https://i.imgur.com/lpQeLPH.png https://i.imgur.com/ehLZcSo.png https://i.imgur.com/JwmVBaa.png Next you have to certify ThomasV's certificate with your own. https://i.imgur.com/YvZaRUs.png https://i.imgur.com/01DzPvq.png https://i.imgur.com/NBnjjLq.png https://i.imgur.com/XKBdxut.png After that you can check that an .asc file confirms an electrum wallet was signed by ThomasV. Make sure the .asc file is in the same folder as the electrum wallet installer you want to verify. https://i.imgur.com/E3kmf1d.png Browse to the .asc file and kleopatra will automatically detect and verify the electrum wallet installer file. https://i.imgur.com/NqSZQQQ.png Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 26, 2017, 10:08:48 PM WOW, Hi-Tech I thank you so much for your help.
I will make this one of my projects over the next few weeks. I am about to go work in the mines (12hr days plus travel) so time will be limited. I will let you know how I go. Thanks Peter Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 28, 2017, 04:22:09 AM Hi tech, I can't find AppData on my computer. i have the new Win10 and it is new to me.
I right clicked my wallet through electrum > Gpg>decrypt and veryfy and got 'cleo cant open file error 218136625 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 28, 2017, 04:33:49 AM I went into cleo to search for ThomasV.asc as I could not find his email addy.
It said to go to setting>configure cleo... what do I do there? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 28, 2017, 09:55:38 AM I went into cleo to search for ThomasV.asc as I could not find his email addy. It said to go to setting>configure cleo... what do I do there? If you want to search inside kleopatera for his key you will need to add a certificate server (if you haven't done it already). The default one that my version of kleopatera suggests doesn't recognise a search for the name thomasv, but produces results if I search for his email (thomasv@electrum.org). Strangely if I access the same server through a web browser instead of through kleopatera it produces results for a search of the name thomasv. Search for thomasv here in a web browser, it's the default certificate server my kleopatera uses. http://keys.gnupg.net/ A search sent me to this page that shows his email address (thomasv@electrum.org). http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=ThomasV&fingerprint=on&op=index This is a series of screenshots showing how to configure kleopatera by adding a certificate server, then how to search for ThomasV.asc https://i.imgur.com/RVCw8gP.png My version of kleopatera automatically adds this server when I click the new button. https://i.imgur.com/eIT7pZK.png Click apply. https://i.imgur.com/KVyCI7N.png Afterwards you can search for search for ThomasV.asc https://i.imgur.com/gr2PnM8.png My version of kleopatera doesn't produce results if I search for thomasv, but it does if I search for thomasv@electrum.org https://i.imgur.com/CMCRMXM.png https://i.imgur.com/FNbaZXD.png https://i.imgur.com/XYlH87I.png If you want more information, or a particular server goes offline (which they sometimes do) there is a tutorial and list of servers here. https://www.gpg4win.org/doc/en/gpg4win-compendium_22.html Quote Here is a selection of well-functioning certificate servers: hkp://blackhole.pca.dfn.de hkp://pks.gpg.cz hkp://pgp.cns.ualberta.ca hkp://minsky.surfnet.nl hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com hkp://keyserver.pramberger.at http://keyserver.pramberger.at http://gpg-keyserver.de Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 28, 2017, 10:18:32 AM Thanks heaps for your help mate.
I shall work my way through this. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 28, 2017, 11:28:44 AM I got to 'decrypt verify'- but got 'general error'
Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 28, 2017, 04:45:00 PM I got to 'decrypt verify'- but got 'general error' Is the electrum wallet file you are trying to verify in the same folder its corresponding .asc file? The two files need to be in the same folder. Also how did you try to decrypt/verify? Did you do it directly inside kleopatera like in the first screenshot below, or did you do it through the context menu like in the second screenshot below? I sometimes had problems with the context menu method, but verifying directly inside kleopatera worked. https://i.imgur.com/XdRRQPd.png https://i.imgur.com/SWBgc5n.png Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 29, 2017, 12:04:02 PM Hi Tech,
I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results. Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen. https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfqpuk88aeo2pfn/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2019.57.44.png?dl=0 So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results. I also dont know what boxs to click here https://www.dropbox.com/s/u99ihnxcsv4v2hp/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.00.04.png?dl=0 Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek9ghwdbtwfkwgs/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.02.29.png?dl=0 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: mocacinno on March 29, 2017, 12:12:31 PM Hi Tech, I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results. Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen. https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfqpuk88aeo2pfn/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2019.57.44.png?dl=0 So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results. I also dont know what boxs to click here https://www.dropbox.com/s/u99ihnxcsv4v2hp/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.00.04.png?dl=0 Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek9ghwdbtwfkwgs/Screenshot%202017-03-29%2020.02.29.png?dl=0 I always verify everything on linux, so i cannot help on how to verify files using cleopatra. However, your screenshots look like you're verifying individual wallet files... This is incorrect... For example, at this moment you download https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe and you verify this .exe using the asc file https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe.asc . You do not validate the signature of any individual file you find on your system AFTER installing electrum, you verify the installer BEFORE using it ;) If you happen to have a running linux distro, i created a (very small) howo verify 2.8.1 in one of my previous posts (can easily be adapted for 2.8.2): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834175.msg18259689#msg18259689 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 29, 2017, 02:24:20 PM Hi Tech, I tried both the 'cleo path' and the 'windows right click on asc method'- ;neither showed any positive results. Before I did that I put everything in the same electrum wallet. Here is a print screen. http://i68.tinypic.com/eu4px0.png So I clicked on every single file in that wallet. However, i think i am suppose to click on 'default wallet'. either way no results. I also dont know what boxs to click here http://i64.tinypic.com/muvcwm.png Perhaps i do have a fraudulent copy of electrum? http://i68.tinypic.com/2ugyzjn.png Mocacinno is right, you have to verify the installer files, not individual wallet files. I demosnstrated it below using the latest portable installer and its corresponding .asc file as an example. Normally on any page with links to download installers there are also links to download their corresponding .asc files. You must put an installer and .asc file in the same folder before verifying. For the example I downloaded electrum-2.8.2-portable.exe and electrum-2.8.2-portable.exe.asc from this page. https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/ These are the steps I followed, starting with putting both those files in the same folder. https://i.imgur.com/MtEF0LQ.png https://i.imgur.com/YtoLf2m.png https://i.imgur.com/H6rqbyT.png https://i.imgur.com/eGEgdhp.png https://i.imgur.com/xlqPrZ2.png Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 30, 2017, 10:31:28 AM Hitech
Still working on it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/iwzuqchh4dtgi2m/Screenshot%202017-03-30%2018.28.38.png?dl=0 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 30, 2017, 10:36:39 AM Have i failed to make a signature valid?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/odnik2hypq05r9q/Screenshot%202017-03-30%2018.35.39.png?dl=0 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on March 30, 2017, 10:55:37 AM Hitech, OH MY GOSH..I got it.
I took a look at my certificates and realized that you had two certificates by Thomas. I search for them, imported the other one by Thomas that was from a Danish email, certified it, trusted it. Then verified my electrum exe.asc file. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vef5zxyo0aayye9/Screenshot%202017-03-30%2018.54.15.png?dl=0 I thank you very much for your patience. Peter Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on March 31, 2017, 01:00:47 AM Hitech, OH MY GOSH..I got it. I took a look at my certificates and realized that you had two certificates by Thomas. I search for them, imported the other one by Thomas that was from a Danish email, certified it, trusted it. Then verified my electrum exe.asc file. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vef5zxyo0aayye9/Screenshot%202017-03-30%2018.54.15.png?dl=0 I thank you very much for your patience. Peter It's great to hear you got it working. Kleopatera isn't easy to configure, but it's the only windows GUI software I know of that can properly verify files. There's easier to use alternatives for simpler tasks, and sooner or later one will probably add support for proper file verification. Until then there's no real alternative to Kleopatera/Gpg4win for windows if you want a GUI. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: sportis on April 01, 2017, 09:48:26 PM Hitech, OH MY GOSH..I got it. I took a look at my certificates and realized that you had two certificates by Thomas. I search for them, imported the other one by Thomas that was from a Danish email, certified it, trusted it. Then verified my electrum exe.asc file. https://www.dropbox.com/s/vef5zxyo0aayye9/Screenshot%202017-03-30%2018.54.15.png?dl=0 I thank you very much for your patience. Peter It's great to hear you got it working. Kleopatera isn't easy to configure, but it's the only windows GUI software I know of that can properly verify files. There's easier to use alternatives for simpler tasks, and sooner or later one will probably add support for proper file verification. Until then there's no real alternative to Kleopatera/Gpg4win for windows if you want a GUI. I used both of your methods; that is firstly downloading .asc file and secondly from pgp servers. Works great for me too. Thank you for your effort @HI-TEC99 because I was trying a lot time ago to find how to verify the electrum but always I had an error like as 'invalid data' or at least I knew that was signed by ThomasV but it was not fully trusted. It is a very detailed and valid guide like as your comments that all files have been in same folder. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on April 04, 2017, 07:56:29 AM I am from from the mines and using my desktop.
do you think I can repeat the verification? no. so to make an asc file, I just copy thomases gnupg signature into a notepad and change the name to asc? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on April 04, 2017, 08:17:28 AM I keep getting 'invalid signature'.
which of the downloads do I use to make a asc file for a standard Electrum wallet? https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/ There are so many to chose from. Perhaps I am renaming the file incorrectlyl Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on April 04, 2017, 02:20:02 PM I keep getting 'invalid signature'. which of the downloads do I use to make a asc file for a standard Electrum wallet? https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/ There are so many to chose from. Perhaps I am renaming the file incorrectlyl It depends which Electrum wallet you downloaded from that page. There are versions for linux, mac, and windows on it. If you downloaded the windows installer called electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe, then download the electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe.asc file to verify it from the following link. https://download.electrum.org/2.8.2/electrum-2.8.2-setup.exe.asc Whatever wallet file you downloaded should have an .asc file you can download with exactly the same name apart from having .asc added onto the end of it. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on April 04, 2017, 02:32:19 PM I am from from the mines and using my desktop. do you think I can repeat the verification? no. so to make an asc file, I just copy thomases gnupg signature into a notepad and change the name to asc? Yes, but only copy the part starting with the text shown in blue below, and ending in red text. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- The bit in blue lets Gpg4win know it's reading an .asc file, and the bit in red lets Gpg4win know its reached the end of an .asc file. 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Because the link sends you to this signature
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAABCgAGBQJY0WYQAAoJECvVgkt/lHDmLHwP/0ZQumci5wM35Lfq5QLOjNVI aPefsvGSZ1zIy2lEJvCTp6Bu/R8rgxRTex9HuVlG+oR8HQNwQHMLKirG9oUcsH5k 5ZALfx3HhgsijvOGxWfd9pdpend1VCYEhcsfGlNlCYwxBUQPcYrve3vXfBjaoR0v 8ef5DQy4Fe6xCrULbBPOgSIEtN3Pk0eoNfTAgo63f2KZmvZKASUuVqBTZRsGpoli rFcg4/D/ovqxZH/dM7DStM8r8LGiV3JKqOvrSt6vbCgNiK/ep0o6CjtOrrZeuq7L ONLSP4zJVDL4Cw3OlqOXqmqJ7lW1rfb/xujh6lOqJKDadrm+XmXbvfw1s5JmJ9SR h5Q/1ocNgB58hcbhuTAb2POVwkiz71UITPEtpMDJWXxs5OGyXNSYb+PDZJ2KOlV2 iA3pcCC+pqjTpxYMKgz60gEn6IQPfkZ08P2InzG111i0dfFO1nJY0H2RxFPPAjok T1/YW60qt84KUvtnV8AvhMZHnwdEsnPIRqJo9fAEW+wFijs8xiVIENYQxDQoF7r1 yOzNyiBwn1yfvo5NMcw7tVv1swzpd4eUXAWtnR3Ewdha703TqVkKAPXIH6vzfmx3 shTmWGrlL93Zat1vZjtBUIWOG4GBU2owqpG/usNj58RICNJWlCyTtAKGLjZwB2zm OVAH/nHpceBf0SmxVvO6 =vXVt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- and I have been saving this as the asc file. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Peter789 on April 05, 2017, 08:53:47 AM Ok well I now have the right asc file- which is the public pgp key.
I thought I was trying to verify the Electrum 2.8.2 exe file against his signature file which is an asc. But no such luck. https://1drv.ms/f/s!Av_LdqvV_nSUiB1MlHPSc6JGHd-S Peter Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Fragbait on May 06, 2017, 03:21:45 PM Quote Sources and executables are signed by ThomasV It provides this link to a page where you can find his key. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Click a link marked 7F9470E6 [selfsig] on that page. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Another page should open containing the text quoted below (ThomasV's key). 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This mess makes it very hard to trust anything - did you intentionally post a carefully crafted modified signature, or was the mit.edu site hacked when you copy-pasted that signature, or is it hacked now or what is happening? Different? ??? looks the same to me... https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/F2T1j.jpeg Quote -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.5 Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu mQINBE34z9wBEACT31iv9i8Jx/6MhywWmytSGWojS7aJwGiH/wlHQcjeleGnW8HFZ8R73ICg vpcWM2mfx0R/YIzRIbbT+E2PJ+iTw0BTGU7irRKrdLXReH130K3bDg05+DaYFf0qY/t/e4WD XRVnr8L28hRQ4/9SnvgNcUBzd0IDOUiicZvhkIm6TikL+xSr5Gcn/PaJFS1VpbWklXaLfvci 9l4fINL3vMyLiV/75b1laSP5LPEvbfd7W9T6HeCX63epTHmGBmB4ycGqkwOgq6NxxaLHxRWl fylRXRWpI/9B66x8vOUd70jjjyqG+mhQ+1+qfydeSW3R6Dr2vzDyDrBXbdVMTL2VFXqNG03F Ycv191H7zJgPlJGyaO4IZxj++O8LaoJuFqAr8/+NX4K4UfWPvcrJ2i+eUkbkDJHo4GQK712/ NOTE: these are PGP keys not signatures... Are you confusing the key and signature? In simple terms, the signature is kind of like the result of making a checksum of the file (similar to MD5 or SHA256 Hash etc), and then signing it with the persons PGP key to prove that the file and/or checksum has not been modified in any way... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAABCgAGBQJY0WYPAAoJECvVgkt/lHDmgR4P/1DAwqyWMXovGrl27mY/pTKl OIP4z97qIuWEhAPCX1nNd5xWVu3ilLMnOPczhnI0Npqk7F9MkUK2gTMENKlZeqA9 8T5VYtwn4cz8KFQTdNMdW7UTYzEpExulBPBuzy82lUevZZqCp2wgRTBkAcs1N+bc hxKSUd3IwS9DeQRn8X1KX2GLdinptQB5GwAPR40WzMrgUELOHeQTUsM27RN1JvFy 2CYv2D727LoODQcO3zg/NBv7DRxh7hZ++kT3/wnqtaX6scUC7ejnNbGa8nTHlQVB nkbpaiLqr5fP/ASdt/bcN7eAC9sVrxTeSkgR+NTx5aBI/UkM88pQ+4/znJeWMs20 hCg2lC+mQsgn8gYExLTQzaHtriqhFYzY7c9t1/KhDC009APpHfocDHMB+FkUESOn tbGD7fKy4s1wAw1gwhLl3nWkFwt1QZtmUtIuHT49B2e6Fvrmp8xSC9xlfvzEX97g tssvIas14vnzLkWwc/cLWTtzURmBk9kEhkCGSTDDz4SigiNSNT7tZhiNz/qZVuaX VNl/64C2fpXfAoj9WiT9hKgBMf+ejk40HO+YSAmqYBBZnWUsJEBm0lJQ8BdJnWcz obVIMb2soTtGrWVmTImvEH1N9nD8IEXcPWI2F+gPQEhb/JoRnkiJdNPMykgtDBH+ cxE9JUtg/WeaYco1rSA4 =8mIK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- or were you talking about the "Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu" vs. "Comment: Hostname: keyserver.brian.minton.name"?? That doesn't affect the key in any way... and is just telling you which keyserver you retrieved the copy of the key from... Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Fragbait on May 07, 2017, 10:28:11 AM Different? ??? looks the same to me... NOTE: these are PGP keys not signatures... Are you confusing the key and signature? Yeah was supposed to write keys, sorry for that. Anyway, they are different starting from the 12th line, in the other version its mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEoEEBECAAoFAlNDyN4DBQF4AAoJ and in the other it's mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEYEEBECAAYFAljiW5UACgkQymYr Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HCP on May 07, 2017, 10:56:03 AM Huh... I did not notice that... :/
Honestly, I have no idea... maybe related to different SKS versions? or different keyservers? or perhaps it is because ThomasV updated his key and added in a new email address? I honestly don't know... ??? I have to admit that my knowledge of PGP is relatively limited on how or why the key files would be different, but the beginning and end bytes of the key would be the same?? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: ThomasV on May 07, 2017, 06:23:19 PM Huh... I did not notice that... :/ Honestly, I have no idea... maybe related to different SKS versions? or different keyservers? or perhaps it is because ThomasV updated his key and added in a new email address? I honestly don't know... ??? I have to admit that my knowledge of PGP is relatively limited on how or why the key files would be different, but the beginning and end bytes of the key would be the same?? no, he just screwed up with his copy-paste. Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: Fragbait on May 07, 2017, 06:32:52 PM If I do a google search for "mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6" I will get a list of results that display the string
Code: mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEoEEBECAAoFAlNDyN4DBQF4AAoJ But if I click the link, for example https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6, I get a page with different version, where the line in question is Code: mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEYEEBECAAYFAljiW5UACgkQymYr The key has changed at some point as google is still caching the old version in its results preview. I don't understand how this all really works, so I get worried. What's up? ThomasV, thanks for chiming in, could you for clarity's sake post your correct key here to clear up the confusion? Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: HI-TEC99 on May 09, 2017, 08:31:52 PM If I do a google search for "mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6" I will get a list of results that display the string Code: mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEoEEBECAAoFAlNDyN4DBQF4AAoJ But if I click the link, for example https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6, I get a page with different version, where the line in question is Code: mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEYEEBECAAYFAljiW5UACgkQymYr The key has changed at some point as google is still caching the old version in its results preview. I don't understand how this all really works, so I get worried. What's up? ThomasV, thanks for chiming in, could you for clarity's sake post your correct key here to clear up the confusion? You are right, the key has changed at some point. The string I quoted is still showing up on google, and google's cached pages of some key servers containing ThomasV's key still show that string, although it's not in the live versions. http://archive.is/k2Uhc https://s10.postimg.org/lkr22wxx5/GOOGLE.png This live page from pgp.circl.lu doesn't show the string, but google's cached version of that page shows the string. http://pgp.circl.lu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:usimuzvXmTkJ:pgp.circl.lu/pks/lookup?op%3Dget%26search%3D0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 I archived it here. http://archive.is/eGdSv One of my posts on the previous page made on March 26 at 09:49:48 PM contains that string, but my post on this page made on April 04 at 02:32:19 PM doesn't contain the string. However my first post used the key link from the electrum website download page, and my second post used the key link from the electrum website "about" page. Those two pages link to two different key servers. One of them links to pgp.mit.edu, and the other links to pool.sks-keyservers.net. I can't find a google cached page of the pgp.mit.edu server key, but the google search results show the pool.sks-keyservers.net server's key changed. I don't know the reason for the change, I just copied and pasted what the keyserver page showed. These are the two posts, the first containing the string, and the second not containing it. There is some kleopatra configuration you will need to complete before checking a signature. *snip* For step 1 you need to find ThomasV's public key and import it into your keyring. The electrum download page says both sources and executables are signed by ThomasV at present. https://electrum.org/#download Quote Sources and executables are signed by ThomasV It provides this link to a page where you can find his key. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Click a link marked 7F9470E6 [selfsig] on that page. https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Another page should open containing the text quoted below (ThomasV's key). Copy and paste this text into notepad, then save the file as key.asc Quote -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.5 Comment: Hostname: pgp.mit.edu mQINBE34z9wBEACT31iv9i8Jx/6MhywWmytSGWojS7aJwGiH/wlHQcjeleGnW8HFZ8R73ICg vpcWM2mfx0R/YIzRIbbT+E2PJ+iTw0BTGU7irRKrdLXReH130K3bDg05+DaYFf0qY/t/e4WD XRVnr8L28hRQ4/9SnvgNcUBzd0IDOUiicZvhkIm6TikL+xSr5Gcn/PaJFS1VpbWklXaLfvci 9l4fINL3vMyLiV/75b1laSP5LPEvbfd7W9T6HeCX63epTHmGBmB4ycGqkwOgq6NxxaLHxRWl fylRXRWpI/9B66x8vOUd70jjjyqG+mhQ+1+qfydeSW3R6Dr2vzDyDrBXbdVMTL2VFXqNG03F Ycv191H7zJgPlJGyaO4IZxj++O8LaoJuFqAr8/+NX4K4UfWPvcrJ2i+eUkbkDJHo4GQK712/ DtSLAA+YGeIF9HAnzKvaMkZDMwY8z3gBSE/jMV2IcONvpUUOFPQgTmCvlJZAFTPeLTDv+HX8 GfhmjAJYT5rTcvyPEkoq9fWhQiFp5HRpYrD36yLVrpznh2Mx7B1Iy8Rq/7avadwVn87C6scJ ouPu+0PF3IeVmYfCScbfxtx1FaEczm8wGBlaB/jkDEhx0RR8PYKKTIEM7T2LH2p6s/+Ei4V7 mqkcveF/DPnScMPBprJwuoGNFdx2qKmgCKLycWlSnwec+hdyTwARAQABtBlUaG9tYXNWIDx0 aG9tYXN2MUBnbXguZGU+iEYEEBECAAYFAlK79TYACgkQ0dQqIfkZdf409gCaA4Ac9LZ8zOEG mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEoEEBECAAoFAlNDyN4DBQF4AAoJ EEoPd0j1vMP5kqkAn0N84aSq5iAW3Jh4cgAZCYmwuDbMAKCTrP5y5sffd4Z8r0lpRl4VKcWX LokBHAQQAQIABgUCUwxcjAAKCRAiRTAEaVUG/dQRB/9fLhCf+/RI5NY8gqLKZ6KEmGIGqFzd wMcn8v/ft2pPY3Mer8lYYrzyzXjbIqI39hmMWDWZLsu2B6CjtFanNMJ3cLDEZ1+ghvrK+AXH *snip* I am from from the mines and using my desktop. do you think I can repeat the verification? no. so to make an asc file, I just copy thomases gnupg signature into a notepad and change the name to asc? Yes, but only copy the part starting with the text shown in blue below, and ending in red text. -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- The bit in blue lets Gpg4win know it's reading an .asc file, and the bit in red lets Gpg4win know its reached the end of an .asc file. This page from the official website gives a link to thomas's gpg. https://electrum.org/#about This link shows his gpg and the quoted bit is what you copy into notepad and save as an .asc file. http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 Quote -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: SKS 1.1.6 Comment: Hostname: keyserver.brian.minton.name mQINBE34z9wBEACT31iv9i8Jx/6MhywWmytSGWojS7aJwGiH/wlHQcjeleGnW8HFZ8R73ICg vpcWM2mfx0R/YIzRIbbT+E2PJ+iTw0BTGU7irRKrdLXReH130K3bDg05+DaYFf0qY/t/e4WD XRVnr8L28hRQ4/9SnvgNcUBzd0IDOUiicZvhkIm6TikL+xSr5Gcn/PaJFS1VpbWklXaLfvci 9l4fINL3vMyLiV/75b1laSP5LPEvbfd7W9T6HeCX63epTHmGBmB4ycGqkwOgq6NxxaLHxRWl fylRXRWpI/9B66x8vOUd70jjjyqG+mhQ+1+qfydeSW3R6Dr2vzDyDrBXbdVMTL2VFXqNG03F Ycv191H7zJgPlJGyaO4IZxj++O8LaoJuFqAr8/+NX4K4UfWPvcrJ2i+eUkbkDJHo4GQK712/ DtSLAA+YGeIF9HAnzKvaMkZDMwY8z3gBSE/jMV2IcONvpUUOFPQgTmCvlJZAFTPeLTDv+HX8 GfhmjAJYT5rTcvyPEkoq9fWhQiFp5HRpYrD36yLVrpznh2Mx7B1Iy8Rq/7avadwVn87C6scJ ouPu+0PF3IeVmYfCScbfxtx1FaEczm8wGBlaB/jkDEhx0RR8PYKKTIEM7T2LH2p6s/+Ei4V7 mqkcveF/DPnScMPBprJwuoGNFdx2qKmgCKLycWlSnwec+hdyTwARAQABtBlUaG9tYXNWIDx0 aG9tYXN2MUBnbXguZGU+iEYEEBECAAYFAlK79TYACgkQ0dQqIfkZdf409gCaA4Ac9LZ8zOEG mD2pcb418UcMP8YAn16BdsIFd6/e1kxCx5jlyyJBEnqAiEYEEBECAAYFAljiW5UACgkQymYr 4YuHemBMpQCgliAhhkHXMX3lxx+5kJlTANVzONAAn1W1oE/rGoUTa/3b7TVHGdCr9k01iEoE EBECAAoFAlNDyN4DBQF4AAoJEEoPd0j1vMP5kqkAn0N84aSq5iAW3Jh4cgAZCYmwuDbMAKCT rP5y5sffd4Z8r0lpRl4VKcWXLokBHAQQAQIABgUCUwxcjAAKCRAiRTAEaVUG/dQRB/9fLhCf +/RI5NY8gqLKZ6KEmGIGqFzdwMcn8v/ft2pPY3Mer8lYYrzyzXjbIqI39hmMWDWZLsu2B6Cj tFanNMJ3cLDEZ1+ghvrK+AXHOj3hWwMElaR/vpFhh8bGYIoY1fw78Agyng+dbANmUIjl/tl5 XBITTgRcfKSWNlaWBoJ40qMJibvySkEcPVPwUPsxq4qwxmm5kbd2NHbGSV7eZjasWqPn4JK0 *snip* Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: pooya87 on May 10, 2017, 04:03:37 AM You are right, the key has changed at some point. The string I quoted is still showing up on google, and google's cached pages of some key servers containing ThomasV's key still show that string, although it's not in the live versions. they key has not changed, if it changed then the key wouldn't have been the same hex (ie 0x2bd5824b7f9470e6). look at the first line of this https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 this signature was uploaded back in 2011 you are comparing two different versions of public key representing the same key with each other. you are comparing SKS 1.1.6 with GnuPG v1.4.11 these two following links are representing the same public key but in different formatting: https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2BD5824B7F9470E6 read: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/29574/why-are-my-gpg-public-key-on-my-machine-and-on-the-key-server-different#comment45875_29576 Title: Re: Electrum and Gpg4win Post by: jackhulk on November 01, 2017, 07:26:21 PM Fantastic guide, great stuff HI-TEC99, thank you!
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