Title: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: sara8877 on April 17, 2017, 08:47:48 PM Hi everyone,
I'm new on this forum (and new to cryptos). I'm gonna buy some hardware tomorrow to start mining, I don't want do build a rig but just have 1 (or maybe later 2) GPU in my computer. I've done some research on what hardware to buy, so far I think I will buy PSU:
One of those GPU's:
As for the GPU I can't decide yet (and I know there are many topics about the rx 470 vs rx 480 with the 480 havin a 10% higher hash rate), but my main question here is: would it be a shame to still buy a card with 4GB of RAM? Right now 4 GB seems to be fine for mining (all / most) of the altcoins, but what's the chance that in the near future 4 GB will not be sufficient anymore and the card would be useless? Or will 4 GB remain sufficient for a long time? Any advice welcome :) Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: RentGPU on April 17, 2017, 09:01:37 PM Hi everyone, This topic was discussed alot before , the 4gb cards will be sufficient for not a long time also the resell will be low, if you are building now go for the best resell gpus which are in my opinion the 8gb , 470 is doing good , but you may wait for the 570 for best resell it will be out to the markets in couple of days or so , there is ppl already get it .I'm new on this forum (and new to cryptos). I'm gonna buy some hardware tomorrow to start mining, I don't want do build a rig but just have 1 (or maybe later 2) GPU in my computer. I've done some research on what hardware to buy, so far I think I will buy PSU:
One of those GPU's:
As for the GPU I can't decide yet (and I know there are many topics about the rx 470 vs rx 480 with the 480 havin a 10% higher hash rate), but my main question here is: would it be a shame to still buy a card with 4GB of RAM? Right now 4 GB seems to be fine for mining (all / most) of the altcoins, but what's the chance that in the near future 4 GB will not be sufficient anymore and the card would be useless? Or will 4 GB remain sufficient for a long time? Any advice welcome :) Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: Elder III on April 17, 2017, 09:14:09 PM Personally, at least as far as the Rx 470 is concerned, I don't think that there is enough of a difference in the hashrate to matter one way or the other. If there is a really good sale on an 8GB one I would definitely get it, but if there's a difference of $40-50 or more I'd just buy the cheaper one.
For resale value - if a gamer buys your used RX 470 they won't (or shouldn't) necessarily have any use for 8GB of VRAM since games that would actually use that much VRAM will not be playable with a lower mid range GPU, so for gaming resale value it's a non issue. My 2 cents. Cheers! Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: mirny on April 17, 2017, 11:36:11 PM Definitely buy 8GB versions, no question about it.
Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: GabryRox on April 17, 2017, 11:52:57 PM If you can really get a 470 8gb for 187, i would totally go for it... especially since it's only 14 more than the 470 4gb. i personally own over 20 MSI 470's but they are the 4gb variety because when I was buying most of them here in the US, the price difference was like $40-$50. To be able to future-proof with 2x VRAM for only 14, it's a no-brainer in m my book. also, imo, the 470 8gb is by far the best buy in this list at those prices. it wouldn't make sense to go with the 480 4gb for same 187, and imo, not worth the extra 34 to go 480 8gb. For most people, there will only be a slightly better hash-rate with 480 vs 470, but the 480 also suck more wattage so the actual profitability between the 2 is almost a wash, aside from initial cost.
Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: not.you on April 18, 2017, 02:16:17 AM I don't have any MSI's but there are some threads around here expressing discontent with the quality of the MSI rx 4xx cards. Just FYI.
Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: philipma1957 on April 18, 2017, 02:47:03 AM I don't have any MSI's but there are some threads around here expressing discontent with the quality of the MSI rx 4xx cards. Just FYI. the armor sucks the red led gamers are fine as to the op are you in the uk? I know this may sound off the wall. but go with the nvidia 1070, 1080 or 1080 ti and mine ZEC coin. I would even say if they are too pricey get a nvidia 1060 with 6gb ram this is decent for a low end nvidia https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-NVIDIA-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IA9FEOO/ref=sr_1_1? Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Mini GDDR5 Graphics Card - Black this is the next jump up the 1070 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-1070-GDDR5-PCI-E/dp/B01GXZ7Q3Y/ref=sr_1_4? Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB GDDR5 PCI-E mine zec with them. Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: reelen on April 18, 2017, 03:11:16 AM I don't have any MSI's but there are some threads around here expressing discontent with the quality of the MSI rx 4xx cards. Just FYI. the armor sucks the red led gamers are fine as to the op are you in the uk? I know this may sound off the wall. but go with the nvidia 1070, 1080 or 1080 ti and mine ZEC coin. I would even say if they are too pricey get a nvidia 1060 with 6gb ram this is decent for a low end nvidia https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-NVIDIA-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IA9FEOO/ref=sr_1_1? Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Mini GDDR5 Graphics Card - Black this is the next jump up the 1070 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-1070-GDDR5-PCI-E/dp/B01GXZ7Q3Y/ref=sr_1_4? Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB GDDR5 PCI-E mine zec with them. Curious, why have you been so all in on Nvidia and Zec all of a sudden? Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: sara8877 on April 18, 2017, 11:11:15 AM good advice, thx everyone! :)
This topic was discussed alot before , the 4gb cards will be sufficient for not a long time also the resell will be low, if you are building now go for the best resell gpus which are in my opinion the 8gb , 470 is doing good , but you may wait for the 570 for best resell it will be out to the markets in couple of days or so , there is ppl already get it . Thanks for the useful info about the 570 which will be released indeed one of these days. I think I won't wait for them, they'll probably be more expensive and there does not seem to have changed a lot that would give a spectacular performance gain. as to the op are you in the uk? BelgiumI know this may sound off the wall. but go with the nvidia 1070, 1080 or 1080 ti and mine ZEC coin. I would even say if they are too pricey get a nvidia 1060 with 6gb ram this is decent for a low end nvidia https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-NVIDIA-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IA9FEOO/ref=sr_1_1? Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Mini GDDR5 Graphics Card - Black this is the next jump up the 1070 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-1070-GDDR5-PCI-E/dp/B01GXZ7Q3Y/ref=sr_1_4? Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB GDDR5 PCI-E mine zec with them. Thanks for pointing me out these cards. I checked the prices but they are all more expensive (except the 1060 6GB ). To be honest, through what I've been reading about mining, it appeared to me that people were always advising AMD cards to go for if you wanted to mine... For now, I think my preference would be to go for the RX470 8GB. Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: philipma1957 on April 18, 2017, 11:51:26 AM I don't have any MSI's but there are some threads around here expressing discontent with the quality of the MSI rx 4xx cards. Just FYI. the armor sucks the red led gamers are fine as to the op are you in the uk? I know this may sound off the wall. but go with the nvidia 1070, 1080 or 1080 ti and mine ZEC coin. I would even say if they are too pricey get a nvidia 1060 with 6gb ram this is decent for a low end nvidia https://www.amazon.co.uk/Zotac-NVIDIA-GeForce-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B01IA9FEOO/ref=sr_1_1? Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB Mini GDDR5 Graphics Card - Black this is the next jump up the 1070 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-Nvidia-1070-GDDR5-PCI-E/dp/B01GXZ7Q3Y/ref=sr_1_4? Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1070 G1 8GB GDDR5 PCI-E mine zec with them. Curious, why have you been so all in on Nvidia and Zec all of a sudden? Zec has a tiny market cap http://coinmarketcap.com/ # 12 just under 80 miilion 1 Bitcoin Bitcoin--- $19,726,021,089------ $1211.66--- 16,280,162------- BTC----- $279,562,000 2 Ethereum Ethereum $4,493,149,901-------- $49.47----- 90,824,282------- ETH----- $58,390,900 3 Ripple Ripple----- $1,267,992,282------- $0.033784 37,532,331,339--- XRP * $6,844,360 4 Litecoin Litecoin- $543,990,574--------- $10.73----- 50,691,482------- LTC $101,200,000 5 Dash Dash-------- $536,637,315--------- $74.14------ 7,238,084-------- DASH $12,362,600 6 Monero Monero-- $296,715,962--------- $20.73----- 14,313,568------- XMR--- $6,275,570 7 NEM NEM-------- $245,396,700--------- $0.027266-- 8,999,999,999---- XEM * $1,687,750 8 Ethereum Classic-- $240,451,683--------- $2.65------- 90,678,313-------- ETC $3,881,150 9 Augur Augur------- $133,762,200--------- $12.16----- 11,000,000-------- REP * $1,549,600 10 PIVX PIVX--------- $100,231,002--------- $1.89------ 53,036,205-------- PIVX * $1,434,310 11 MaidSafeCoin----- $94,788,460----------- $0.209453 452,552,412------- MAID * $1,142,330 12 Zcash Zcash----- $79,162,833----------- $71.16----- 1,112,419---------- ZEC $3,159,980 13 Only 80 million Nvidia has a market cap over 59 billion https://ycharts.com/companies/NVDA/market_cap AMD has a market cap of over 12 billion https://ycharts.com/companies/AMD/market_cap Nvidia is clearly on-top at the game of gpu building and making profit. Until Zec was created last year AMD was a clear winner in one area over Nvidia and that was mining coins. I believe (no hard proof) that Zec was built for Nvidia so they could beat amd in some not all of the mining game. Nvidia 1060 6gb vs Amd rx 480 8gb the Nvidia hashes higher 320h vs 300h the Nvidia uses less power they each cost about 240 usd So to me mining Zec using Nvidia is the way to go. Note I never go all in nvidia 1161.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 1024.0 1182 nvidia2 1248.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 512.0 637 nvidia3 798.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 256.0 788 below are all rx 480 8gb rigs panda1 928.00 Sol/s 29.00 Sol/s (3.03%) 512.0 417 panda1 653.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 256.0 628 panda1 711.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 256.0 587 panda1 609.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 256.0 589 panda1 783.00 Sol/s 0.00 Sol/s (0.00%) 512.0 590 I mine at nice hash i have about 4000 h in nvidia cards. i have about 4000 h in amd cards. the op really wants a 1 card miner as I read his post. So I think he should do nvidia and mine zec. he could start with the 1060 and he could use nicehash to convert to btc instantly he card would pay off 100% in arounf 110 days. he could sell it here for say 125 usd which would be 250 in roi with coin in 110 days the sale for 110 makes for a 125 usd profit. I think no other card makes sense for him. Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: Gedtamin on April 18, 2017, 12:51:35 PM I would definitely go 8gb just due to long term usage. We saw 7950s mining for a long time. The current GPU mining algorithms use a lot of vram and it is planned for it to increase. The 4gb cards are next to hit the obsolete mark for mining when they do the resale market for crypto will be zero and the market for local selling will be spammed. 8gb has quite a time and no one is going to make them obsolete until a main stream 12gb or more is around. I will buy the ;8 GB version. The only <4 GB cards I have are the 7970. Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: Malbo on April 18, 2017, 01:14:19 PM 6go 1060 is more like 300€ in my country(France), so it's 50€ more expensive than a rx480 8gb :(.
My rig is ready to receive 4-6 GPU but actually i'm really stuck for choice... Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: leon0207 on April 18, 2017, 02:45:13 PM How about using rx500 series ? rx500 series better than 400 series
plus , 8gb have more hash than 4gb Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: Malbo on April 18, 2017, 02:55:08 PM How about using rx500 series ? rx500 series better than 400 series It's not true they have same hashrate for the moment.plus , 8gb have more hash than 4gb Title: Re: mining gpu: 4 or 8 GB of RAM? Post by: GabryRox on April 18, 2017, 05:17:30 PM Phil makes a good point about ZEC/Nvidia but at least to me, getting into that side really only makes sense if you have multiple rigs to spread your hash among. This is because, as far as I know, ZEC is the ONLY coin you're going to get better hash-rate using Nvidia on... and even with that extra h/r comes higher initial costs (in most cases), so your ROI may not be as good as it seems on the surface. But, even if you can get a great deal on Nvidia to lower your ROI, you are still somewhat painting yourself into a corner if you go ONLY Nvidia, because almost all other minable coins on the market are better mined with AMD GPUs. You not only have ETH, DCR, & XMR, but there are a bunch of other profitable coins using the ETHash algo (so options after ETH goes POS), not to mention the other secondary coins like LBRY/PASC/etc, that can be mined in conjunction with ETHash using Claymore dual. I am not down on ZEC by any means... in fact, if I build another rig I might go nvidia to maximize in that area. I'm just saying that if you only have 1, probably AMD is more flexible because it offers better hash-rates on more algos... at least on a dollar for dollar basis.
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