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Hello guys, i want to know your opinion abuot the manifestation that are having place right now in this country and a posible solution for this problematic :)

I can't tell where they fucked up but it seems this situation has been simmering for years. I've been watching videos as early as 5 years ago that their economy is having a hard time. It takes hours to do the grocery and people line up even during the night so they'd be first when the store opens. As expected, some people found it a convenient situation to point out the possible ill effects of socialism.

A sad paradox is that Venezuela could be one of the richest countries on the planet. Its oil reserves are the largest in the world. Unfortunately, once again, politicians with their corruption and their disability will impoverish the population of Venezuela. That means their failed policies of the power of bolivar and the Chavez socialism will make them like as the Zimbabwe today.

It is true that they are having some of the largest reserves in the world. At the same time, most of these deposits are in the form of tight oil, and therefore the cost of extraction is quite high. And combined with antiquated equipment and incompetent workforce, the petroleum industry is in a very bad state right now.

I believe that venezuela have a great potencial for his oil industries and his rich land capable of producing products from the earth, with a good political laws and reforms to support the news investments they will be a great country.

You're obviously not reading the news nor are you reading the topic.
Yeah it has a lot of "potencial" . Venezuela is full of potencialis. Or let's make it easier. All Venezuela has right now is cheap cialis :).


Also.... please don't get me started on "good political laws".
Common man give it a rest.

The country is a socialist nightmare out of food, power,  medical supplies and toilet paper. Not that they have any use for the last one.

Well im Venezuelan and i live here in Carabobo closed to he capital Caracas, and we right now are having a total media blackout, all the transmisions on tv dont show what is going on with the country, everything that they are showing is "cadenas" or long programations of the president saying that everything is out of control and e will use extreme forces againts his own country, the situation her is alarming we need international help right now.

Sure the free world will help once your country decides that democracy is the real path and not self destructive socialism. I think its going to get much worse for you folk before it gets better.

Believe me, there are more people in favor to the democracy here in Venezuela but the president is mad for the legacy of the socialism of Hugo Chavez, i only hope the help comes fast before everything gets worse.

Yeah I know how this will end.
Venezuela crying for help , the west providing help then we will get labeled as invaders, everyone will start thrwoing rocks and when the country turns back into a dump it's our fault again.

How about you start dealing with your own shit?
You;re the guys that elected both Chavez and Maduro

The West are never labeled invaders for providing financial aid.  They're only labeled invaders (correctly) for trying to intervene in civil wars which don't concern them.

So what do you plan? To send money to Venezuela because they were stupid to elect a taxi driver as president?
Why the hell should we help them when they pay 2 cents for a gallon of gas?

They were all high and mighty a few years ago, the tropical paradise, now enjoy socialism!!!!

Totally agree with you. They have to suffer to have never had the desire to vote for those who will offer a program of building socialism. More than their suffering, they should set an example for other countries. I'm against financial assistance.

This is very unfortunate as Venezuela has all the potential to be another successful economy in that side of the world. This has become a big testament to the failed socialist policies that the previous administration under the dictator Hugo Chavez inflicted the country. Right now the people are angry because they are the one feeling the burden of a chaotic economy and muddled leadership offered by the current president. Now, he wants to change the constitution maybe to stay longer in power. Socialism in its original form is a big failure.

Oh no, looks like they'll wrap you with cadenas at the mere whiff of dissent. Good thing you still have internet. I feel bad for you but is it possible for you to leave the country? I mean, I've seen people move to Chile. I've seen a video where Columbia opened the border to allow people to buy stuff, can't you migrate there that way? Of course legally if possible so you don't end up deported and blacklisted.

It's unlikely that a country would intervene at this moment so maybe just try to stay safe or maybe move to the countryside if it's safer there. Wishing you the best.

i wish i could do that but i dont have money and cant leave my family behind, plus im studying medicine here and for free so i´ll wait till graduate to leave. thanks for the best wishes :)

I hope they can turn around. Such a beautiful country. :'(

It is amazing how Venezuela still serves their debt obligations when others, like GREECE, have just stopped paying even though they still had plenty of valuables to sell....

And yet Greece bonds are doing much better than Venezuelan bonds, EU stupid money makes it possible...

i think its the end of maduro, ppl are tired , and you can see that, there are alot immigrant from venezuela that come in HT,cu, and jamaica.

Maduro was a bad choice, after the death of Chavez. He proved himself to be an incompetent elitist. Some of the issues can be traced to Chavez as well. Because Chavez never cared to set up a sovereign wealth fund (SWF).

Venezuela was already rotten when Chavez died. Maduro takes it to the next level. Its so pity to see Venezuela turn to the worst. It is one of the richest country in South America. But look at it right now, it has world’s highest inflation rate and is plagued by hunger and violent crime
Venezuela sits on the world’s largest proven oil reserves. Oil accounts for ninety-six per cent of the country’s export earnings. I guess the only solution is a political change. That's the only thing I can imagine that will help solved all this crisis. Changed all the current leaders and installed a new one. Call for a referendum and have a snap election. There has got to be a political house cleaning so you can reset the political and economic clock there.

It will get much worse for Venezuela before it gets better. Frankly I don't yet see light at the end of the tunnel yet. Chavez was leading the country down the drain just like Maduro does now, the major difference was the charisma Chavez had(remember his TV show Alo Presidente  ;D), of which Maduro has inherited none. This was mostly what kept the country together during Chavez, and now it's gone. Well this and fears of repressions I guess.

Venezuela is a typical Latin American country with a history rich in political unrest, systemic poverty, and strong-arm authoritarians in positions of power.


I don't see much changing positively out of some revolution. Maduro banned a presidential candidate recently, he may be planning on rigging the 2018 (19?) election.


If Maduro were assassinated or dropped dead the situation would likely only worsen as there would be a power vacuum and surely some attempt to gain power through violence while claiming to be liberating Venezuela from a failed democracy.


Pretty much the only reason Venezuela was ever relevant was because their oil. You can't eat oil.

Eu stupid money makes it possible to.... oh wait , prevent people from hunting flamingos, robbing food trucks, offers them the possibility to buy damn toilet paper and to eat something so they can use it...man it looks like this EU is not that bad.



Oh, but you can, you just have to be the pig taking the decisions, for the rest , let them eat cake.

America wants to start another front for the rich oil in Venezeula as much as the riots may be due to food issues and security alongside collapsing oil prices the idea of a successful socialist state does not sit well with American interests hence they try to destroy it whenever the opportunity presents itself.

That said I would be hard picked to name a country where American interventionism really helped build the country in the long run without leaving a big mess with exception to Japan cause Russia was nearby + a containment of China and Mao policy was needed although it failed in the end and only Taiwan remained.

I am fairly sure that besides the gun manufacturers we all do not want to see another Libya, or puppet dictatorship like the good old days in the 70s and 80s in Latin America and the Pinochet's for all even if the socialist experiment is not doing well. It's worse in civil war.

That said it sucks you need to go to Colombia and sell Bolivar there for food kind of reversed when people went to Venezuela to steal the cheap gas and bring it across the border and food either way also heard 1oz of silver or perhaps gold is as good as a few months worth of food not sure how accurate that statement is though sounds pretty BS in food scarcity commodites like food should still hold a premium feed your belly or have a lump of metal unless they meant people went to Colombia to trade it. So ya some BS in the news too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-X-63hZP5M
http://www.thedailyeconomist.com/2016/08/why-do-you-need-to-own-physical-gold.html

I think you're wrong. Saudi Arabia is also living through the sale of oil but there all the people are rich. The regime in Saudi Arabia is also an autocratic. Probably another reason. In Venezuela the power thieves. That's the whole reason.

The difference is easy to spot.

Saudi Arabia welcomes foreign investors while Venezuela wants to nationalize everything.
Saudi Arabia is investing in infrastructure and technology while Venezuela is investing is socialism giving money for being lazy.

Outcome was pretty clear from years ago

Um, how many years have you got left? I mean, it's possible for all this to boil over within a few months and you'd be stuck there and wouldn't be able to finish college anyway. If you just have a year or two left anyway, you can probably finish that in a different country as a working student.

Just stay safe and be prepared to bug out at a moment's notice.


Yup, they could have just used the earnings from the oil wealth to grow their economy but no, they didn't. Even KSA, which mostly rely on oil export didn't suffer this much when the price dropped.

KSA also subsidize a lot like water and education and their government very likely also steal a lot (they're nobility after all). What probably made the difference is that Venezuela economically isolated itself.

All that's needed is a change of currency.  Zimbabwe's hyperinflation led to them using the US dollar instead - that could be interpreted as "financial aid" even if it's not literally giving them money.  If you believe that capitalist societies in crisis should be given financial aid, so should socialist ones - otherwise your judgement of socialism is unreasonable.

Not to mention that elections never represent the will of an entire nation, they represent a small majority of people who decided to vote.

Why the dollar? Maybe to stop hyperinflation is a better choice bitcoin? They still have nothing to lose. And there's a chance. Imagine how cool it is if one country recognizes bitcoin official currency.

I think it all boils down to their priorities. They preferred to just use the oil money to give money to the citizens so as expected when the prices crashed, they have none left to give out. And they don't really make much money from other sources too. What to they export anyway? Not to mention the government was also corrupt and they mismanaged the now government-owned oil company.

As someone here has posted though, it really is their economic model that made the difference. Gulf states also took a hit from the oil plunge (most notably Saudi Arabia which is more reliant on oil) but did not end as bad as Venezuela. All of those states have hereditary rulers so we can safely assume they also siphon money away but they do allow investors to come in. They also invest the money in other countries so they do at least receive money back. Many has diversified for multiple income streams. Even Arabia, which is the least progressive of the countries, at least have a wealth fund they can dip in in case of emergencies.

I would avoid the Dollar might end up like El Salvador where people get paid in USD now but barely make anything while things are priced in USD and are cheap by American prices but not local prices.
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I do not pity the people of Venezuela. That they burned American flags and vote for Chavez, Maduro. They got what they wanted. For any action to respond. They didn't think about what people in all countries spend a lot of money to fill your car. They have gasoline cost cheaper than water.

They burned the American flags, because the US was interfering in the internal affairs of Venezuela. How the Americans would feel, if the Venezuelans interfere in their presidential or senate elections? But I would agree with you on one point. The subsidy on gasoline is just ridiculous in Venezuela.

Despite the fact that some states have problems without the intervention of other countries and they simply can not be solved. But the fact is that there are cases when this intervention can be avoided because the citizens will be very much outraged.

Sadly the only thing that we Venezuelan people can do is wait and fight for the country we deserve and overcome this dictatorial goberment that had being in the power for 17 years divided the people and turn them againts each other.

Their country is in a state of chaos that they can not come back from.

The politicans either will get thrown in the streets and dealt with by the mobs gathered or they will declare martial law and the police forces will start to kill their own citizens on site.

It is in a very big state of emergency there right now.
And would be very scared if I lived there while this is happening cause you have no where to hide in Venezuela from a well armed dominant police brigade.

When you begin to hide you are destined to lose. For their beliefs must be fought. I think Venezuela is on the verge of civil war. This is payback for the wrong choices of power.

No that was nothing like a "financial aid".
They just pegged their currency to the dollar. Any country is this world can do that.

For example Bulgaria used this measure for the leva against the euro, they pegged it at a certain exchange ratio.

Check the Venezuelan elections , they voted overwhelmingly for socialism.
Let them eat socialism till their last breath.

It seems to me that they are already hardly breathe. Socialism is a parasite that devours its host. I think that without blood is not a cost. Let the whole world see their example of what happens when winning the elections the populists.

sad but true guys they have to understand by the worse way that the socialism is pura crap and will destroy every society that practices it. Sorry for Venezuela but thats waht they voted for.

Today, Venezuela is going through a very difficult period and the fact is that this people wants changes, so do not interfere, as the US does.

Then we look at the % of money westernized countries spend on healthcare costs and social services.
We sort of do have socialism.
https://static.nationalpriorities.org/images/charts/2015/taxes-desk.png

If only because it should not cost a student $50,000 a year under capitalism to heal people when you can learn it for less.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/1-million-mistake-becoming-a-doctor/
Although it would not surprise me if some shootings occur to put blame on the government.

Its sad to see so many bad coment about the situation of one country not everybody voted for Maduro a great percentage of the country didnt, we are talking about lives of thousand of people :( like every crisis in the world we just ask for someone help not a militarized one.

Please. In europe we have universal healthcare which cost less then the US american 3rd world healthcare system.

Universal healthcare has as much in common with socialism as hitler with ghandi.

Edit

Btw. And please dont read fake news. The only thing you need to be a doctor is a good memory.
A subpar student with good memory can easily finish a medcine degree.

To get a medical education is not enough. In order to be a good doctor you need to have a good practice, talent and not be afraid to take risks. Unfortunately the good doctors work in private clinics and no insurance does not cover the cost of treatment at these clinics. The world is not terribly fair.

You can't blame just Maduro. He has proved himself to be incompetent, but is there anyone else who could solve this problem? Unless the corruption is eradicated, Venezuela will never see any progress.

Venezuela have very serious problems now and everything started with Chavez and his ''socialism'' policy.
He forced all foreign companies to go out from the country and tried to copy Cuba's socialism in Venezuela.
This experiment failed miserably.
Venezuela, country very rich with natural resources, became unstable and poor.
So, Venezuela really need radical political and social changes.
It's obvious that Maduro don't want to give up power (he is probably afraid that criminal Investigation for corruption will start as soon as he loose power).
The country's only chance is to elect a new president, break the ties with Russia, establish a partnership with the West and America, and bring back large companies and businesses, rebuild economy.

I don't  know how you think sending money to the already terribly corrupt government will help any of the people that need it. It never does help.
the only way to help is with a forceful intervention, which we are unlikey to do right now.
either we leave them alone or we send the military, You cant have it both ways.

Unfortunately people don't learn from their mistakes. They are to blame for that choose such leaders. Americans constantly have to fix bugs all the States? Then it is easier to unite everyone into one big America. LOL!

True the American system is a bad example it is just the most cited because it fails so much. Cuba is socialist and by comparison has a far better patient to outcome return ratio for the cost it puts into it, they also export doctors in exchange their tuition is free and get revenues from that another focus they have is on preventative healthcare instead of treating the symptoms but not the disease.

Eurpoean healthcare depends on the location I would need a bit more specificity on the location you had in mind as a good example of it working. I am sure that even between different states in the EU the standard of healthcare is different with the % of cost that goes to funding it out of tax revenues varying and the patient outcome and wait times changing as well.

About your edit:
It depends on where you live and also to be douche about it if your degree is recognized and meets the standards to practice healthcare.
Entering into a nursing degree, what is the standard is to be considered a doctor in the country etc all determine the final cost.
But you got a point that was the higher end it just presumes people would apply to a prestigious medical school not a community college or public school to get it, that was my bad this one is more accurate on the cost. Still fairly high though.
https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-us

The taxes thing just picked one that liked to use dollar illustrations more less but you will need to specify a good source I just copied the link from a Business Insider article so it seemed accurate though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/where-your-2013-tax-dollars-went-2014-4

I do not feel sorry. They built their country socialism and did it deliberately. Let him now reap the fruits of their work. When they criticized the Americans ' last words, they are not thinking about what I will be asking them for help?

@heathcare

I wasnt precise my bad. But with european i mean west, north and part of south europe (mainly scadinavian nations, germany, austria, switzerland, Luxembourg etc)

@education
I agree with this. But on the other side people who have a college degree will have it easier to find a better paying job as someone who has no degree.
I.e. a master degree takes in avg. 5 years. (I think in germany you have to study 5 years and test work 1 year to get a doctor of medcine)
After finishing a m.sc. you easily earn 50+% more the your colleague with no degree.

So if you find a job you are usually better off and the money you payed before amortises pretty quick.

True the American system is a bad example it is just the most cited because it fails so much. Cuba is socialist and by comparison has a far better patient to outcome return ratio for the cost it puts into it, they also export doctors in exchange their tuition is free and get revenues from that another focus they have is on preventative healthcare instead of treating the symptoms but not the disease.

Eurpoean healthcare depends on the location I would need a bit more specificity on the location you had in mind as a good example of it working. I am sure that even between different states in the EU the standard of healthcare is different with the % of cost that goes to funding it out of tax revenues varying and the patient outcome and wait times changing as well.

About your edit:
It depends on where you live and also to be douche about it if your degree is recognized and meets the standards to practice healthcare.
Entering into a nursing degree, what is the standard is to be considered a doctor in the country etc all determine the final cost.
But you got a point that was the higher end it just presumes people would apply to a prestigious medical school not a community college or public school to get it, that was my bad this one is more accurate on the cost. Still fairly high though.
https://www.topuniversities.com/student-info/student-finance/how-much-does-it-cost-study-us

The taxes thing just picked one that liked to use dollar illustrations more less but you will need to specify a good source I just copied the link from a Business Insider article so it seemed accurate though.
http://www.businessinsider.com/where-your-2013-tax-dollars-went-2014-4
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I find it funny that we are talking about Venezuela, and how bad it has gotten there.

Then the thread turns into a bash America thread.

We will happily keep our world class medical system, and you can keep your second rate socialism and Communism.
Including your Healthcare system that has no choice, no accountability, and no good doctors any more.

I lived in Europe for a while.
The more I learned about the hospitals there, the more determined I was to never end up in one of your butcher shops.

Chavez did a lot of good things. He provided education and healthcare for the poor. But once he was gone (assassinated by the CIA using biological weapons), the system just disintegrated.

Good things? That is an offense for decent people of Venezuela and Latin America. All the "cucaracha" countries have "caudilhos" (warlords) trying to implement the shit socialism on their countries, letting people suffer in the poverty while the command live confortably ruling the continent.

Chavez had deals with DRUGS-TRAFFICKING, Chavez gave weapons to the "bolivarian circles" (loyal militias) that were under control of Chavez to threat the population that was against him.

Chavez rejected help from the north-americans for vanity, while his people were dying after a catastrofic rain that destroyed districts in Venezuela.

This guy is crazy, insane lier, one of the guilty for the shit Latin America is. He incited the rage against the civilized world while promoted the ignorance and bad behavior.

At this exact moment a colombian production serie is showing his history, "El Comandante", I'm not sure if it's full true, but we can have some idea about what happened in Venezuela.

I believe that venezuela will recover from downfall by doing this following:
1.Stabilize the currency
2.Eliminate dysfunctional price controls
3.Adjust to lower international oil prices
4.Make living affordable

chavez was right to oppose jewmerican interference in his country but he never built up the country and just handed out free shit to the poor instead which was clearly a mistake, the years of high oil prices was the time to build factories and farms, god knows what they are going to do to get out of this mess

Lmao... trump split the moon 500 years ago, hitlery is a reptile alien and the us has a world class healthcare sytem.
100% no fake news.

Delusional redneck