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I have a curiosity...

In a month on this website all that i saw are gambling discussion, idiot scam accusations and so on...

This topic is about how fair are the casinos...Why do you care? If the fair system is ok or so on...you will lose money legally same shit..

If a casino is fair with what is helping you? When you go to a casino and play on slots you will ask the girls if the bet you did is fair?

people go to a real casino to have fun for just being there, and if they want money they will play some real games like Poker not slots. and also they have no way of knowing if a game in a casino is legit or not.

but when it comes to an online gambling site, there are very easy ways of verifying the bets and making sure you are not being ripped off so why shouldn't we take the chance and demand a provably fair system that is legit?

and trust me, there are a lot of real scammers out there trying to rob you of your bitcoin. and we care because we don't want to just hand them our money easily.

no, it is the same thing. if you know or not that is fair...for real. i played on websites like primedice, kingdice and paradice. I won on all of them but not because I used any strategy. I registered, deposited 0.xxx and double -> withdraw...

I saw users playing with strategies and shits continously.

Why do you care?

I am roulete player so I know when I am going to a casino what I am doing when I leave, there are 80% of losing.

your main question was not about winning or losing in a casino. from what i understand from the first post, it is about these casinos being fair or not and why people care about them being fair.

imagine it like this, in an unfair dice site you go there make a bet and win. you are happy and deposit more if your deposit (even first one) is big enough the unfair site gives you a roll number that you lose so they can take your money from you.

so if you lose that is someone ripping you off.

on a fair site if you lose it is your luck.

these two should be clear enough to care about the casino being fair.

Short answer: I would rather be hurt with the truth than comforted with a lie.

We care because it is the right thing to do. To learn what is going behind the scenes.
I would be much more content if I knew that I lost fair and square and not because someone cheated me.

If casino is fair you have chance to win. If it's rigged you don't have any chance.

Of course it matters. A lot. With a game that is fair, you know the odds and the chances are that you'll win or lose close to these correct odds. But if a game is rigged in some way, you'll lose more than what you expect, which is considered cheating.


Firstly, casinos are regulated by the government and they've to adhere to certain rules in order to ensure the games are fair. If you ever find out a casino is cheating, there will be legal repercussions for the casino and even a lawsuit.

Secondly, yes, when people go to a casino, they do try to make sure the games are fair by checking the cards, especially in blackjack, baccarat, poker etc. You can request that the dealer open brand new decks of card and inspect them. But of course, slots are much harder to check, but there're definitely laws the casinos have to go by in their slots games.

I believe to street casinos, such as the casino in Monaco or other famous one and big one. But I am really doubt in online casinos, cause of here you really can mix the results or play with your friends on one table destroying others all together - nobody will noticed that. All that doesn't keep me away from online gambling actually. I gamble with those bitcoins that the signature campaign pays me and I don't afraid to lose this money, mostly because of it's actually not so big. And gambling is just fun for me, the thing that helps me to kill my free time and entertain.

If this is all about fair and why we do care about gambling? I think for others they always care if the site is provably fair or not because they are just wasting their time while they are playing for nothing.. but for others they are just gamble for fun not making any profit they are ok if they are lose a lot even the site is not provably fair but for me we need always to check if its if provably fair or not that is why we are care about fair.

It's actually much easier to scam with a computer program than it is at the table of a real casino, that is why people are interested if the online casinos are fair.
Take the most obvious situation. You join a new online casino, send in money, play, and are unable to withdraw, they just took your money.
Would that be possible in the real casino? When you have your chips in hand you can exchange them whenever you like, even come the next day or in a week and they will never say no.

Correct, and that is why we always want to know if it is fair. Online casino are sprouting anywhere, and some are fly by the night who are eager to get your bitcoins. For online casino I just play also for entertainment only. Just killing the time until I become sleepy. I think in land base casino, they have an audit from government, since they are regulated but who knows, corruption is also rampant.

I think we have the right to tell other people whether the casino is rigged or nit, so the gambler can aware and there will be less rigged casino, that is the used of this community, of course when you go to casino you want go check whether the casino is legit or not, if it is not legit you will just send your money to the owner

that is right and i am agree with you, for telling gamblers or other people, they can know where is legit casino and they can join with us to playing gambling. but although the casino is legit, its not guarantee that you can win with easy, you still need to trying with your luck. at least if the casino is legit, we can playing gambling with safe and we don't have to be afraid if somehow the casino is run away with our money because todays, many casino that do this and they abandon their members and only wants their money.

If a casino is fair, at least you have a shot at winning something. If it's a scam, then they are just stealing the money.

Because 99% of the people here haven't set foot in a real casino or sportsbook but they love to pretend to 'know things' and act like keyboard warriors while understanding jack shit ;D

You see, the most active ones are the biggest clowns   ;)                                         

an online casino working with bitcoin and set up by an unknown, anonymous person on the interenet on the other side of the world doing it from his parents basement through TOR,... and being not fair means he will rob you blind and you'll have no way of finding him.

a real casino which is regulated and its owners are known and is following some laws, if it cheats there will be legal repercussions as michaelch said and they will risk getting their casinos closed.

So you mean to say that when a person is playing with his money he should not even verify the facts that it's a safe site, or its heavily rigged? You seem to be new to gambling and that's is obvious when you don't care/understand the need to have a probably fair method on the site. It's important so that we are not fleeced out of our Bitcoins.


You are absolutely wrong in trying to gamble the way you are gambling. The sites you went are reputable and they do have a fair methods, but you try a luck at a casino which is not fair, and you will cry out here despite every one telling you that fair method is a must.

Again just cause you made few earnings doesn't mean anything, luck can change, and before you challenge this strategies, it is these strategies that have made people rich and poor also lol. You really need to learn the basis of gambling, be careful out there!

there are  no basis of gambling. only kids who think there are..

i bet you never put a leg in a real casino

I haven't gamble in a physical casino but if I did, I won't ask if my bets are provably fair. Imo if a casino(online) isn't fair it helps me to avoid more losses because who knows they might be changing the server seeds causing you to lose almost every bet giving you no chance to win. That's my answer why I care about provably fair casinos.

Why i care.... i dont want to sit there playing a slot machine for nine hours straight on mimnum bet hoping the for one lucky win that credits my account with 9999 bitcoin and then not get it because the site was eradicating the alright miniscule chance i had of that happening to begin with, or straight up land on that mofo and then the casino refuse to respond when i ask to cash out and not cash out. i havent been to a land casino but ill tell you flat out that if a land casino is proven to be an unfair casino they will face millions in losses if not billions due to evidence being taken to court and both new and old customers dipping out. so they are either going to be very careful not to be so unfair that it gets noticed or they will be fair 100%.

It is not that we care, we just wanted to expose those scam gambling sites to the public here in the crypto world, for them to be eliminated and for everyone to be aware on such sites. And if the casino is fair, then chances of winning is higher, compare if we are going to gamble on the gambling sites which do have higher house edge and the chance of winning here is lower.

Losing to site which i know does have a provably fair system would really be fine for me atleast i do know that i have been not cheated by the site or casinos.Its much better and acxeptable rather than playing which you know that you have been cheated does hurt and you will really bad and unacceptable thats why i do really care first for the fairness of the site before playing .

We care because it's almost impossible to get money back if you paid with crypto. Even if a casino is provably fair you can be scammed there, so it's important to give feedback.

I'd say the ones that spam with alts are even bigger clowns, wouldn't you agree?

but there are some peoples who cant accept lose that lose on a legit provably fair site and call the site scam , yeah its also fine to me to lose on a legit site rather than on a non legit gambling site .

People are not the same there's always have different in each and everyone that's why there's a person who does care and there's a person who do not. Like me I'm playing in gambling site therefore I'm playing also in real casino because there are difference about them . in real casino you can feel the hype and you can feel how the excitement was all about. that's why I'm playing in casino also but for the mean time as a leisure time I'm playing in online gambling to have a fun.

I care because I want to play in a legit casino. It is not true that we always lose, we may hit a big win one time to cover for all our previous losses and if the casino is not legit will not pay us. I agree with you that most of the time we lose against casinos because they have the house edge and they are designed to make money in the end at the expenses of the users playing there.

Well it's never really fair when you talk about casinos basically because they have an edge over you considering that most games are luck based. So of course, casinos have an advantage over the players. Once you deposit a capital, you should be aware of this and just go with the flow and enjoy playing

It's our money that we are using to play that's why we care about the system being rigged or not. Anything that we have some business with, we care, especially if it's our money in the line. That 1% variation on dice games could mean a lot for most people actually, knowing that most houses have set their houae edges at <0.98%. It might seem to small to argue about but in the long run, that is where it makes a huge difference.

You mean to ask what is the point of choosing a legit casino when there will be no possibilities of beating houses ?

But with a scamy gambling site you may lose in no time. But with legit casino, there will be more chances to extent our stay if we are capable of preventing losses. Even there will be no profits making possibilities from any casino, how you lose and in between time how you enjoyed really matters.

Ignoring the credibility of gambling site is nothing but throwing away our money. I guess no one will prefer that. We are here to find entertainment which is possible only with legit casino. So, caring for it is most necessary one.

The casinos always have the edge over players. They will just tell people that we don't have a house edge, but it is not true. And I think no one will ask casino girls our bet is fair or not because the girls always work for casinos. When you are in long run win they will come and disturb you they won't help anyone to win money in gambling.

It is always feel good to know we are not being cheated.  Whether we lose or not in a Casino, as long as we know the game are trusted it is ok for us.  But once we learned that the game is rigged.  We felt that we are cheated and it does not feel good.  It will give us lots of emotional stress and tension which is not good.

Ahem one particular campaign comes to mind fitting this precise description  ;D

The online casinos are fair, they use provably fair system to show their users they aren't scamming anyone. It's different from real casinos where you go to play. In this case I have no idea if they are legit or not because I don't have access to them where I live.
We need to care about it, because it's our money in risk, if you want to have chances to make profit by gambling you must care about it.

I think the mechanism of casino is not fair enough for all people. I mean rarely when someone withdraw a lot of money by just gambling in slots games or dice, or anything which depend in pure luck. 80% or maybe more is loss.I think the problem is not in people luck but in the way of how casino maked.

There is an unfair systems if we always talk about dice and slot games, but their function is just to have fun when you want to relax or vent emotions after a defeat, I assume the two types are just as welcome opening and as entrance to the actual gambling like roulette and baccarate

Losing in legit way is really accepted rather than waste your money from cheaters that's why we all care, Scam accusation is not an idiotic move once they have a valid proof. Since it can verify the fairness of each bet thru the hash they use on choosing the result of the bet (not applicable on slot because no one accused casino just for fairness of slot). The real idiotic thinking is to ignore and play on casino that you don't know whether they are cheating you or not. I will understand you if you apply this topic specifically on slot games. But you generally describe all games on casino which is fairness are essential. Don't be ignorant and naive.

That's true, but the same time gambling sites cannot function wirh better profit if they provide less winning chances. Based on the  winning and the reputation it gains the profit of the gambling house increases rather than making changes to the seeds of the server.

Remember that gambling normally makes people lose and that the house always has the advantage. It's difficult to earn a profit gambling and in the long run you will lose because the house has games that are never in your favor and the odds are against you. I have a question though. Despite having provably fair, how many people bother checking it on a website?

Those people would really be always on this gambling world and those people who do cry when they lose up money and calling the site is a scam onwards. They should really know the risk on playing gambling and if they dont like to lose up money then they should not play gambling from the very start because losing is always part on playing gambling.

those people who can't accept the lost just another childish player who gamble irresponsibly. to care about how fair the casino or not really important as you would never want to keep losing over and over again due they manipulating the outcome right. when there is a provably fair system , some people would have their luck on winning something from the casino .

In my gambling career, mostly i see gambling sites are fair. That's why people trust on online gambling sites. But in real casino, i am not sure, but i think mostly casinos working fairly with their gamblers. Because if anyone feel this site is scam than no one play in this gambling site, and personally, i don't think that it is a big issue, because people have awareness about all fair gambling sites. Also in gambling, people only want to win, they have interest on their money and nothing to describe that this site is fairly working or not, when they get money than definitely this site is fair for people.     

They discussed it's not fair because they lose in the game, it's normal to the gamblers who does not accept defeat.
Casinos are fair but they have the advantage over us so we lose, that should be understood by every gambler so he will understand the risk and will take time to analyze on how to manage it.

They'll forget it anyway and still gamble, they are just saying it out of frustration, if they believe it's not fair they would have leave a long time ago.

I don't get your point, and there seems to be no sense in what you are telling here. I guess everybody knows that that's the topics in here, but it's what you are going to talk about. People believe in different things and will have different views, what matters is, what you are going to believe in. So pick your bet, and it's all about risk.

it's better not to care about people like that because they just want to vent their anger on sites or gambling places that make their money lose and do not want to accept the fact that in loses in gambling. from my experience a lot of these gambling sites are fair.

It is not like we do care on doing this thing, it is just that this is the way how people let their angry emotions go out for a certain thing. Because it is really hard to be scammed or something where we lost our money because of sudden naïve decisions that we are making in our everyday lives, but this would take as a reason, so we could learn something out of it, so the next time that we are going to things, we are going to be more observant first and going to know the information of a certain thing before we do it, in order to not to be scammed anymore.

If we are not caring about the legit of a gambling site then we might lose our bankroll in more quicker time than what we are experiencing right now. So, carefully choosing legit and fair gambling houses is more important for any gambler. I personally had experienced with scam sites which is more frustrating, so to avoid such frustrating moments, I spend lot of time for studying about the houses before making any big bankroll with them.  

Yeah sure we shouldn't care at all just blindly accept the loss and come back day after day to lose more. online bitcoin casinos aren't illegal and I think land casinos are the biggest scammers, at least with provably fair you have a chance but when it comes to rigged games your fate is sealed.
Not that I care at all since I gamble rarely. all the casinos with hundreds of slot and other games are rigged.

so as i see 90% of replies are from idiots and 8% of people understand my point of view.

2% are having my answer

important: this statistic was made by reading the replies and making some simple maths, you are all free to do so.

UPDATE: 88% - 9% - 3%

The answer is simple. How do you want to lose money.? By getting scammed or by your own luck.?
There are many casinos which scam people with their cheap tricks and no one likes it. So we have to care whether the casino is fair or not.

As expected you wont really get the answer you would seek and its normal to have lots of opinions here since we do really have a different point of view it might not get on what you thought but it is somehow related which is still good to look at and as i read from that 98% post including mine are justifiable and take note we are not idiots,if you dont like to read some answers or opinions by community then better not to ask at all.

Its really better to lose on a fair site than being cheated by the house itself.

Many people know all gambling sites are scams by cheating codes but though people are showing interest towards gambling by spending their hard earned money in gambling. Even in some gambling, they will charge betting fees in both ways gambling owners are benefiting from investing.

So, you want to gamble, right?

You put 1BTC on a 49.5% win chance in a fair casino
You put 1BTC on a 49.5% win chance in an unfair casino

Wouldn't you like to have bigger chances in winning the bet?  :)

The real idiots here are OP that expecting that all answer here will be in favor in him, He forget that this is a forum and everyone has a different point of view. He keeps posting stupid things that make him believe that he is the only right here. Hahaha, If you don't want to received opinions against on your thoughts, Then stop creating thread just like this. 98% are not idiots in contrary with your statistics, Those people are just on opposite opinion with you. Please limit using harsh word here. You didn't own the forum.

I care about gambling because it gives profit to those people who want to won in gambling.
They profit if they know how to timing the luck of their day.
When i'm in need I go to gambling for a profit to provide my needs.
I experience that gambling is one way to get money so easy.

Nope. You are idiots because you don't have a point of view. Most of your messages are copy/paste or the same like others ideas.

It's great that you ask questions or start a topic here on the forums. But really, if you don't like the answer of people around here then just shut yourself up. There is no point in asking for opinions and you just tell everybody they are idiots for not sharing the same point of view with you.

That's not true, gambling doesn't give profit to those who want to win, it just gives random people random money, at least if it's fair.


Referr to reply #52

People much preferred to play real casino done risking too much in online therefor if they really think that they're not safe in online and it's not fair enough for them as people experience online they encounter 6 or more straight lose not when you are playing on real casino you're about to win alternate or just lose twice only.

What I hate about real casinos is that they really have high house edge compared to what we have here on the online bitcoin gambling sites. Here, it is just 1% but usually in real casinos it is much higher than this. Another thing is that how can you say that slots on the real casinos are really fair?

On casinos, on 100 hands you can get not even a 0.2x bet hand payment. How is this fair? That's what I am talking about people are talking daily about fair. Gambling websites/casinos are not made for us to win, are done for entertaiment.

Most of the trusted casino these days provide a way for you to verify each and every roll you make in their casino so that we can be sure casino is not manipulating any results. We have to keep in mind that playing in provably fair casino doesn't guarantee you winning, you have to be lucky and should be able to manage your bankroll wisely to make exit with some profit.

What about if the total provably fair system itself completely rigged off ? We cannot be sure about anything as most of  gamblers are facing only losses. That is the reason OP is coming with the concern of why we need to care about legitimate of casino while choosing them : "loss is the only result then why we need to spend time on studying the legitimate of casinos".

Being lucky and managing bankroll wisely are not possible for any gambler. If it would have been possible, there would be significant people who would have found their life out of gambling profits.

In my opinion the requirements you have mentioned are some consoling reasons to make ourselves mentally accept the losses.

and here is the winner

Well, i am not perfectly understand what you want to ask?
But i will tell you, mostly people are playing on these sites who are introducing in bitcointalk. Than we think no doubt these gambling sites are fair, and we are starting to play in these sites.
Also i am playing only 2 or 3 sites, and these have fairly dealing in money. 

Yeah there is always a 50 50 chance of both the losing and winning in the gambling. Most of the people I saw are talking about the loses but I guess many of us don’t gamble for the reason to earn profit but their reason to play is to be entertained and they may win some of the games which can turn their days and can payback all at once with a high win.

I have seen many of my friends get addicted to the games and they want to get all the amount back one day from the house which they have lost but I don’t think it works because at the end of the day the house wins and no doubt they have to win it because they design the game according to their need so to earn. Not for the others to earn.

Even services which at the first glance had implemented provably fair system can cheat it.
Most people are not technologically literate to find out that there is something wrong with rigged provably fair service.
Example: 999dice.com  - I learned that their provably fair system is working only when players actually check out every bet manually.
Otherwise the site can manipulate your bets.

Well, word usually gets out pretty quickly if the provably fair system is flawed, there are numerous threads about that in this forum.
Even if gamblers only lose, it's still unethical to 'rig' the games or have a higher house edge than advertised.

Same reason why I hold the position to believe in chance rather than others who believe in luck and would still raise scam accusation thread when they have an iota that a site is not provably fair or one figure is missing in the amount of possible outcomes. The issue essentially why I care is to be sure that when I lose I want to lose fairly and that is not too much to ask for from the gambling site.

Most gamblers don't know how provably fair system works technically, so they feel confortable to play only by reading "this is a provably fair casino", but maybe it's a false message, maybe the casino isn't provably fair and show fake informations about the bets. Laymen won't understand anyway... I think it's always good to look for news about casinos, so you can know from more experienced people if the casino is really doing a good job or if they are cheating players.

Losing money illegally and losing money legally is two different thing. If a casino is rigged you will lose no matter what. Your luck won't have any effect. On a legit casino, if you have a good luck and you know when to stop you will win. You can verify each and every bet.
Why would people want to lose on a rigged casino rather than losing on a legit one?

Do we, though? Regardless if all these online gambling sites are legit or not, people are still going to bet on them because they have no other place to play at. There's a new coin called the edgeless which is supposed to have a gambling site that have no house edge.

Like you said, it's the same shit. If you already lost your money on some gambling site, you shouldn't waste any more of your time to know if you were fooled or not. There are people saying that gambling sites are rigged because they always lose, but to some, that's just called being unlucky.

Of course we care and I believe that is so selfish if we don't tell if the casino is legit because we have know the feeling of being played by the casino administrations and unless we are a casino staff then we won't tell. But watching others fall and lose all their money just like is unbearable because we know the feeling. We maybe gamblers but we all human first.

There's a huge difference between honest and cheating casino. When you play against cheaters, you are basically throwing away your money, you will be losing much more than you win. But if casino is fair, than you can enjoy the game for longer time, because win/lose ratio will be more balanced. If you know when to stop, you can fixate some profit for future sessions. People should always check everything when it comes to their money, otherwise scammers will flood everything and just ruin our economy.

well the first time you deposit a capital in a casino site or an actual casino, we already have to face the fact that it's never going to be 50/50 fairness. these casinos are run by businessmen who would make sure that they profit from your need to gamble. its part of the risk that any gambler takes everytime they make a bet or a roll

I care because bitcoin is important to me now.Even though I dont have salary yet.
When I hear the bitcoiners in our place they got thier salary.Im excited also for my savings that later on i will get it also.
I will treasure bitcoin until bitcoin is there.

People care because they want to play anonymously and who better than bitcoin casinos gives you this chance. Users reviews are important as they help us to choose correctly and to not play in different casinos that have many scam accusations against them. With the user reviews we can be sure that the casinos which are being discussed as nice for a long period of time are trusted and we can play there without worrying too much.

Often players lose money. Seldom when you can win. But this is understandable, the casino after all at a loss will not work.

It's hard for prove whether the casino is fair or not, no matter you are playing at a real casino or online casino because you choose to play slots, I think specifically for this game, there is no way for we know it and that i know, most gambler who play slot games it's only for fun, they are doesn't care how much money will they spend, that's games fair or not because they know the only one way to win on that game is if you hit the jackpot.

I can not answer because I am not a person who likes to play gambling. I do not know what really happened to a casino. but your question proves that you believe that something is hidden in the gambling game. right now I do not want to know anything about gambling because I do not want to get too close to this risky game.

Of course I care, how do you feel if you lost because somebody cheat on you, yes even with fair system we tends to lost the game and it has proven that most of the people losing money in casino but it is about satisfaction , I can accept lost if it is fair

Yeah, this is right on the part of casinos as this is how they can make profit from their business but what about us, gamblers? Most of the time, we lose money because this is how casinos set everything for us. This is the reason why I don't gamble that much as I used to once.

We know that casino's are fair if you are playing with provably fair. I actually care about myself and when I'm in times that I'm in desperate want to have some excess money, I'll gamble. And with your question if the questions are fair, what's the help we can get with it? Very simple, you can have higher chance to win. Come on, we all know on how casino's are operating.

that is why actually if you compare which one is better between online casino and offline casino in term of transparency fairness. where at offline casino mostly you could not verify by yourself whether it is really fair or not? where at online casino you completely could do it easily.

and here we are in bitcoin gambling world where cryptocurrency used to play as currency , they have what people wanted about fairness.

that's also part of the advantage of using crypto currency as house always wanted to have an edge between their competitors by making it sure
that the gamblers/players who's using their website will always be free to ask any assistance if ever trust and fair system was in doubt they will
do their best to provide that they are fair and that's really good for us.

Its really fine for us to lose on gambling as long we do know that they are fair and it does really matter because we would really not like to play on gambling site on which we know isnt fair at all because the feeling of being cheater isnt really nice at all.You are right i would rather like to lose up on satisfaction than on losing up on being cheated.

That's true that even with zero house edge and full fairness of a casino you still can lose money there. However, we all know that that there are two types of online casinos: those who scam people and those who are fair. I prefer to choose the latter ones to play on, because I don't want to be scammed, I want to have a chance to win. Although I know that the chances to win are small, I want to try my luck, and in scam casinos your chances to withdraw the win are close to zero.

I agree, when you are gambling either in gambling or in a casino you have to expect that those money you brought to the table will most likely be or expected to be on loss. However we all want a fair play and game, and we all want to be satisfied with the money we play too.

Most people would really feel the same way too.Whose the one who do really like to play a rigged site? No one,right? I do really care 100% on fairness of the site not just rushing up on playing on sites which are unknown in reputation.Even if you lose atleast on a fair way and you wont really get mad because thats how gambling works.

Op, imagine this situation - you are a rich person with beautiful wife or girlfriend, your woman is cheating on you with another man because you are loaded and she is after your money.
So tell me would you like to be cheated on by your wife or girlfiend and live in a lie that she is truly faithful and love you or find out the truth, ditch the bitch and move on to find some better girl?
It is the same with the casinos, I hate being lied to or be a victim of someone's else evil schemes. This matters for me.

I'm agree with you, if we not care on fairness of the site. it will make us can concentration to the game because if we care on fairness of the site, it can make our concentration split especially when your bet is lost, I'm sure you'll find out why your bet is losing.

That's true, I hate lies and schemes that are aimed at cheating me and making me look like an ass and so I do care about the casinos and how faithful they are because I don't go there to play or have fun but to beat them and make profit.

It is great if you are making profit out of gambling but you can have fun if you play on a live casino's but would just go bored on a gambling site, and just like you said you are dominating when playing gambling because in reality it is hard for others to simply make a come back out of it and getting bankrupt because of it, well the cheating part is not most of the gambling site but your luck, because gambling is really risky and if a gambling site is rigged you can not know the difference between the authentic one with the rigged ones.

I like what you said. Indeed many times I've seen people accusing a gambling site of being rigged but in fact they were just very unlucky. I myself was thinking not once, especially when I was at the very beginning of my gambling experience, that a dice site is rigged when you have 15 reds in a row betting with 50% win chance. Now I know that worse things happen and they happen not because the site is rigged.

Indeed mate.. If you always win then you're at luck and most gamblers doesn't have that type of luck and I believe it very random since majority of the gamblers are always on the losing streak. For me, it's also important for you to check the website, it's credibility among other patrons.. it's also important before you go in and do gamble.

I have not seen anybody win always in gambling. Even i visited casinos there also many players i had seen, but each and every person lose their bets. We can make a profit, but we can not make a profit every day in this gambling. If he is winning always means he may be the luckiest person in this world. Without doing anything making money in gambling.

It's not feasible to always win in gambling and so I doubt if it's indeed true until proven otherwise. I have been gambling on sports for the past two years and I must say it's not always rosy and my wins are less than my losses but what I have won outweighs my losses.

We all want fairness but I am afraid it can never happen.
"There is no justice in this world" -Frank Costello-
After all justice in this world is just a bunch of principles made by those with power to suit themselves. This life is all about steal or be stolen. Some people think that I am pessimist but I call it being a realist.

It doesnt matter since we do have different beliefs and views in our lives on which sayings of other people wont really matter.We do have our freedom of speech.On some cases i do agree on the sayings of theres no justice on this world but this are only applicable on some things and shouldnt really be generalize there are still have true fairness on this world.

Online casinos are fair if you go and play in a actual casino you will always lose there is no way to get profit from casinos because they don't have any probably fair nor anyone is allowed to question them that weather it is fair or not , for a casino the house edge is also high then why gamble

I think every casino is rigged to some extent but it is also rigged in a way that it also gives hope to all its players to think that they can win. Casinos are functioning in a way that they would always in the end win. But the goverment mandates that they also lose.

What do you mean about mandated? Casino needs to show that they are losing in some instances? Sorry for asking as if that I think house was built to always wins and they got to thee point that theirs some edge from their side regardless of any game that they have.

You could see that the house is losing when there are players who are winning, and you could see it on their history panel, all of the gambling sites have that. There is no such thing that the house will always win, because if that is how things work, then no one will gamble anymore to those gambling sites out there without any chances of winning. The only reason why there is a lot of people who are doing gambling is because there is a chances of winning, and without that, gambling site would never exist.

completely agree with you actually I have the same way of seeing this

Those who are just doing gambling just for fun doesn't care about if it is fair or not, what important to them is they are enjoying what they are doing, and for those who are doing gambling to earn money? of course thy do care about their winnings and mostly about their loses. Gambling do have only two types of people, those who are lucky, and those who are not, I guess it is pretty similar to those who care and don't care about the profits they are making in gambling.

Gambling is a very risky thing to do in the first place, so it would be better if you are going to give a damn care about it to avoid losing most of the time, because gambling is no joke.

It's fair in a sense that the casino is not fully taking advantage of your chances. If that's the case, then it would be a rigged gaming and they can control that in their house edge. It's hard to see how many people are thinking that all casinos are cheating but it's the chance that you are talking about. I hope that anyone should know what they are currently doing or else it's for nothing.

gambling is not an alternative to earn money and profit. you will only lose the money you have.
playing gambling is full of risks because every decision you make will determine the future you will have.

If you cannot figure out if the site you're looking at is fair or not then don't play there. You have to do your own research and know how to distinguish the difference between the FUD and the hype ---> if you can't tell the difference, then don't risk your money on the site and move on to the next site ---> there are plenty of honest sites, so keep searching until you find a site with which you are comfortable.

Actually, if we play gambling for fun or making money but we do care about it that it is fair or not. Then it is not matter that we are playing in real casino or on gambling site. But fair is must and first main point to start the bet. I never see anyone want waste his time and money in gambling in this way where he has no surety that it is fair or not. People do gambling where they have trust.

We know casino's does have provably fair and that's fair for all of us. And you should care as a gambler to the gambling sites where you'll risk your bitcoins.

And the most important thing about it as mentioned, provably fair.

I think you're a bit misunderstood I mean, it's true we all want justice but this is not very important because you can surely win despite playing on a site that has cheats. i've question did you ever heard of an unfair gambling dice site? well, if you know and have played there, have you ever seen all the players who play there lose?

Right. There is other way of gaining more money and profit which is better than of gambling, since you are taking a risk already, do it on something where you are sure that you could have lot of money to gain and avoid more lose.

beside that playing gambling is only another option for us to earn money and if you are afraid to get loss, don't play the games. the only matter we should think that we can not always be a winner in any of games. we should not thinking that the casino is fair or not because i think its about the games, no matter how we played, we can not expecting to win big money in every time we played.

Gambling is so far the worst method if earning money because it is too much risky or you can say a blind game which has no rules and regulations. Gambling does not require any strategy or plans; it is totally dependent on luck. No need to waste your time on this evil game.

We should all care if a casinos is cheating. Yes indeed there is greater chances of us losing to the casinos even if it is fair, however there is still that chance we can win against them if you get luck with the roll of the numbers. Because it is unfair if gambling sites would be cheating players, you chances of winning is lowered greatly if they cheat.

Well basically sometimes that's the case but others do have rules and regulations to follow. At times when it is risky there are also chances that you can get a huge money from what you bet or invest for it. It all depends of what kind of gamble that has a requirement for any strategy for example you want to play game cards,others are so good at it and with secret techniques depending on the player itself. If he is willing to teach the person then probably he could get the same idea to win. On the other hand,we may say it's evil game but if you use the money for bad deeds it will surely become bad after all. But if you use it for a better purpose then there's nothing wrong with that. Simply,you have to think more on the good purposes of gambling or the good sides.

Casinos are basically designed in a way that they win in the end which drags down your chances to win. Your luck can be helpful where you know that there is no cheating but if there is a designed game where you can't possibly win there luck can do nothing for you. In online casino's you will rarely find a fair casino otherwise most of them are where you lose only.

Lol, it's better to lose knowing that you are not being cheated by the system of the gambling games, it is sure that it is cleanly done and fairly based on luck and not by mysteriously work of evil, like that if you lose on gambling via casino that is fair. Not all the time ,Winning is not equal to FAIR SYSTEM of Gambling and Loosing is not equal to UNFAIR and CHEATED or CALIBRATED System of Gambling, we should not also set aside the fact that there is really some casinos that is cheating their customers( i am not sure but may be there is, this world is not full of good people).

We cannot blame the casino, Casino is made so that people can have fun while risking their money trying to win. Not all gamblers are losing in Casino some of them are winning why? because they know when to call stop unlike most of the gamblers they continue to play even if they are winning until they lose and after that they will call the casino a scam. 

So, gambling is fraud? and why should I care about it?
I've been playing gamble of football online or offline, and there's never any fraud there. So, what to care about? between fair and unjust?
I think everything is clear. in gambling everything is fair and there is no deception. it's just that maybe when you lose, then you'll think they're unfair because you lost your money.

In fact it is like that, although every game looks fair even they show us the randomness of the cards before the game starts but the gamblers must have felt the strangeness in their defeat. sorry i'm not defending casino or gambler, only express my opinion ;)

I do not care about this question because I just come to enjoy the game. But since I sometimes have winnings, I think that gambling institutions work honestly.

In everything that happens in our country we should raise our awareness. Since we are involved in this forum and we also involve to trading therefore we should care about these things. You should care in order for you to continue what you are doing.

Casinos are not made for the sake of people. It is a business and the owners only want to earn money this business demands entertaining its customers. That is why casinos offer a lot of joyful games and ladies. This way they can keep the players for long. The gamblers that win are very few and the winnings are not very huge ones always but the only way to have a profit is to not gamble again.

Casinos are indeed a business, it was developed to cater to people that itch to gamble. It nevertheless attract a lof of people that think they can profit from casinos games and they would always be a winner, thinking that casinos are just some kind of magic ATM that when they deposit money afterwards they will pull out thousands of dollars out of it.

and true I also proved this,
and says almost all casinos are honest.
and who cares about this? most gamblers gamble with their pleasure.
is just a beginner gambler who always claims that a casino is a scam, because they have lost their funds by the casino. and that's what makes them all care about this

But i think that casinos are the only place where people more willingly visit for making money. in fact they think that there they can earn a a lot of money without any big effort and struggle, In fact for gambling one do not need for any experience or knowledge therefore people are more attracted there as compare to other professions.

I won't all casinos honest ones if they are online i.e. gambling sites and neither I think that land based casinos are honest but they are not scams.

The owner of a gambling business will always try to win the money from its customers or else how is he supposed to become rich. Either we play for fun or money, results won't change on our purposes of gambling.

Casino is made for the people who want to relieve their stress. But as i observe right now they are now using casini to earn or gain a lot of profit. We should care about ourself because gambling doesnt make us millionaire.

yes i agree .i think people now a days is interested on a simple way to earn money.nad they think it is in the field of gambling .thaat is why many people do gambling even if they are loosing because of thier dreams. I think people adicted in gambling will need to go guidance councilor to make some discusion  about life .i care because i experience ot onced.

And apparently, this is the reason why the rate at which people are easily getting depressed to the extent of killing people in casinos are increasing. Gambling is not a way to earn but to have fun and anyone who knows they cannot control themselves either they win or lose should not even gamble at all.

Don't get me wrong, gambling is fun but it stops getting fun for those who put emotions into it and expect to always win or make profit.

Not correct at all,  it's just the wrong thinking, in fact the casino is created for people who are looking for fun. you do not believe ??
as an example: we think that casinos deliberately give a limit of bets to maintain balance but we always say that no gambler can win, well, if the casino knows about this. why they give maximum limit of bets if they know will win.

Limitations on bets would only be seen on those gambling site who are just starting or do have only a small bankroll but we do know on most reputable casinos as of now doesnt really set any limit which means they are confidently enough that they would really win on longer runs which we should really be aware anytime we do play gambling.

we always see this in real life before getting depress because of losing much money inside gambling and you are correct better to stay away from it
if you cant handle situations like this, find other ways to enjoy your life and stay away from gambling.

This is the primary reason you would find that people who get addicted are those people who consider gambling as a money earning opportunity and not for the fun or realization. Due to this they always want to win and make money and if this does not happen they start to get little impulse and play with more money to recover their looses and eventually may end up in losing only.

That is in fact very true, one of the worse truth of gambling! People that are addicted indeed do not even think about the consequences of what they are doing. They firmly believe that they will profit from their activities which they cannot! The thing is, they do not understand that mechanics of gambling and if they continue to do so they will be bankrupt in no time and even worse they can be buried in debt.

It is not all the time that they lose, of course, someone that is addicted has experienced winning, especially if it's a big win, they want to experience it again. They are longing for that feeling again and for sure they would like to do whatever it takes to make themselves that. It's what they want and that's the downfall for them.

It is a fair game and luck cannot always shine on everyone at the same time, which is why gambling institutions haven't closed up yet.

The reason why you do not care about the question is cause of the mindset you brought into gambling and you already see it as a means of fun, entertainment, not as a way to make money which is the mistake some people always do.

He don't care about it because he get good response from gambling sites, he got fun and entertainment and also got money then why he take tension. In case, if anyone have lose his money and he see some gambling sites are not fair then sure anyone care about it. But by chance i also don't care about any gambling sites are work fairly or not because i always see every gambling site work fairly.

Roulette, slots, you should forget these kind of games.
Based on probabilities only! Why do you think you will win in the long term?

Poker, sports betting requires more than luck/bad luck. Try these instead.
My 2cents.

I sports betting and I cannot even be profitable when there is no house edge so I think with slots the more my chances are lower. Knowing our game will help us win because that way we will continue to work to improve our strategy and it would not be possible in luck based games so we need to understand the difference. If we gamble for fun then there is no problem with whatever we choose because entertainment is our main priority and losing is a very normal situation.

I understand where you are coming. To be fair, having an edge over the bookmaker can be quite hard, it requires dedications, odds monitoring, and a lot of experience. People who are beginners in sports betting will always lose money, they will learn the hard way.
To know if a price is value or not value, it takes time.

We say closing odds at Pinnacle are usually a near perfect representation of the real probabilities of the different outcome on one event.

Yup! Many Gamblers would just tend to say that the site is Rigged because they are losing so much in betting in it but I think it is really a coincidence that they are losing so much, I think we must know the nature of gambling first before betting it in and what might be the cost when you try to play it,


Yup! that is truly a must do before proceding to a gambling site, always watch out for some comments if the sites credibility and if it is truly legit and a good paying site I think this goes to all gambling site, we must always proceed with precaution.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Especially for beginners, should not bet in large numbers. Those who are already experienced certainly start gambling in the same way.

I saw there are many people who are really lucky. They put a really big bet on their bet and stop gambling at that moment because the profit is too huge.

Some people due to their frustration resort to assuming that it isn't they're fault or think that they aren't that unlucky to loose all their money on lost bet streaks so they start accusing casinos that they are unfair or that the outcomes and results have been altered . Gambling addicts will always try to find an excuse for their loss and will always tend to blame someone or something else for whatever miss deed they commit whether it is in gambling or even other daily life things .

How do you determine that such a provably fair system exist? I mean apart from a few reviewers claiming that such a website is fair. I agree there are lot of scammers to rip off money. moreover in this crypto market which is unregulated number of such scammers substantially increases.

Moreover just a few wins can't really determine whether the system is fair. I mean what are the parameters you consider to determine such a system?

lol yes it has happened to me too honestly , when i have got a lot of losing moments and start to think and blame that they game i have played all of them are rigged , unfair etc. you don't want to be the only one who get blamed for the losses.

and people simply make an excuse to talk here and there about how you should win if the game fair, funny actually.

Well its most probably our instinct to doubt specially when we loose on gambling. We tend to blame mostly ourselves of not doing that or this. On the first place we enter or start a betting game soon after other people had made it or setup the game. We really doubt sometimes of what's behind the mechanics but we are just players and they are the gamemasters. We do care of there mechanics but the control is still with the gamemaster and how you play it.

If the system of casinos and facilities are great, then no more question about it. But here in my place, casinos are very so unfair when it comes to rate, machines and so on. Well basically I go to casino some time just to have fun and not really to make money. 

That should be the goal of every gamble, just to have fun and not to aim for profits. However, I do believe that we should still play on fair casinos and avoid those that cheat. For the reason that it ruins the fun in the games as being a fair game is part of the fun. If you just consistently lose on the game then that removes the fun out of the gambling game. You should really consider just playing online, as there are a lot of casinos that are fair online and that have very low house edge.

It's not fun anymore if we know we are cheater, casinos has the edge and when they cheat it will never give us a win.
However, I still believe that most casinos who are operating for a long period are here to give us fun and they will protect their reputation by being fair to us and we just have to fully understand the house edge so we will not expect that we have a chance to win in the long run.

I haven’t seen any amateur betting with bigger amount then he can afford because they are well aware of the fact that without experience they would not be able to win the game. Luck is also important but experience will allow them to tackle some situation during the game which can end their game if they are unable to do so. Exactly, these gamblers who have a lot of experience had also started in the same way.

I think it is about the game what you played for because in dice games i think experience is not really into it because it is more likely base on luck but on the other games like card games because the experience more likely to win the game because luck is not the one who could make you win but the cards, sort of it has a low luck you need and other is strategy and experience.

Luck is the vital ingredient to win gambling games, this is a personal experience. In dice people think that luck is important while in cards they think it's the experience which works but I don't believe. What if in cards distribution you get the inferior cards and the other party gets superior? It doesn't really matter at that time how experienced you are but what matters is who was the lucky one to get the cards with superior powers.

Honestly if you want not to get playing while gambling in the casino then be wise enough. Because usually on your first round in playing, the house will keep you winning mostly then later on they are going to take it back when they noticed that you already hooked up with your game. And before it happens then you should leave earlier before going home an empty handed.

Well i tend to agree but  i think it depends on the strategy you are using or how would you react in your card now in physical gambling sites now your card is pretty bad and you will tend to loss but this will the bluff will takes place now there are lot of pro gamblers with the card games that is really good at bluffing as you could see that you do have a bad cards but you could do a bluff so that they think that you have a good cards.

This is the normal strategy of any casinos . So either you keep changing the casinos frequently so that you keep a a share of profits in the start and then stop playing for some months or else it will be easy to get addicted to this gambling and you will end up losing more than you would have made money in case you win in start.

I guess it will not be worth changing casinos over and over again if you have already won your first couple of games because you can call it quits and come again another time rather than keep playing either at the dame casino or somewhere else  for more profit.

yes, the name of the bet we try to fate, want to win or lose yes it depends on our fate and luck while playing, so be careful in deciding something

Yes but overall experience of gambling does not require any sort of experience. I have seen many experienced and old player lose a lot and many newcomers wins big games. The thing which should be taken care of is the money which is being invested in gambling and focus should be to take out the see money and then take big risks with profits.

so then why should i care about this?lol...how would you say casino is fair,when the rate of win and loss is 20-80%? Just like roulette lots of numbers to bet,but your chance is so few,,

Anyway i am not a gambler so i really dont care about your issue,because i only go to casino to have some fun,and to enjoy nothing else matter.and if i win so thats just a bonus

bet any gambling game names always have the initial value of capital that must be issued. For those who play online gambling games, the initial capital is a deposit that is transferred by the player. With this capital, of course you can play in it. Unlike other games, this Casino game can bring multiple benefits as long as you win the game. Casino can also be your side income as long as you are keen to learn it.

Because if a casino is not able to prove their provably fair system is indeed 100% provably fair, I believe no gamblers would want to play on that casino site, gamblers are risking their own money by wagering against the casino, and naturally the gamblers will hope to have a fair playing field since the casino are already having a house edge advantage.

Those people who said that a certain casino was not fair are the types of people who are hoping to earn profit by just gambling and suddenly got lose by playing just like what you've said. For me, I also don't think that there are casinos who are not fair about their games but I think that there are some online gambling website who does, 😂

If theres a fair casino then there would be always those site which arent fair at all but if a player do lose up on a legit site or reputable ones and claiming that its rigged then the problem would be already on the player itself. We do care sites fairness all the time because we dont like to lose up money if the site isnt fair at all. You wont really feel the satisfaction since you would feel that you have been cheated.

Every sane gambler in the world knows that there is no fair casino system in the world. EVerything is rigged up to the standards set by the ruling and governing body made and appointed by the government and approved by the board of the gamblers. Which means that they all know that in some way they accept the terms of losing but they still play nonetheless

Casinos are never fair and this is a reality that all the gamblers are aware of. House always has an edge over the player. Earning money in fair way cannot give big amounts. From the very first time, casino is always trying to snatch the money of the gambler but in order to accomplish this, it first needs to turn the customer into a regular one. This is the reason why in the beginning a gambler wins games back to back but starts losing eventually.

Well, if that is true that they make you win games at the earlier stages then i guess its better you move from one casino to the other after you make some cool money from the beginning but that isn't entirely true and doesn't work all the time.

of course gambling site owners definitely want the players to lose for their benefit.
but we should not lose smart with the gambling site,
we should be able to make a good strategy and one that we should know that we should not sit too long on the gambling site.
therefore we should immediately draw victory when we have a little advantage and the game starts to feel unfavorable

It's easy to say than done. You can't make your bets win if you want to so the best to do is to only bring a small of money and don't take it seriously. Slots and other machines can't be fair so it's better to play it with real people so you won't have to worry on getting cheated.

If you are able send and receive money with a gambling house then you can probably need to consider that gambling house is a fair one. Because, we cannot interfere their business model and we need to agree whatever terms and conditions that they are having to play with them. Only with deposit and withdrawal functionality we can interfere with them to conclude about their fairness.

House edge is a business model, we cannot complain about it because no business in this world is there without having possibility of making profit. House edge is a business tool for them to ensure they are making some money for running and surviving with their business.

Gambling was never made to be fair, it is about losing our money most of the time because of the house. It is so easy to say that a certain gambling site is fair but the truth is it is not, it is just some sweet talk so that players will be attracted to them by this false advertisement. However, it is your choice if you want to bite this bait.

more than fair when you are the owner because you get all the profit. In retrospect I think it's possible that it's fair but in a sense they own it and they can do it whatever it takes to profit from people. they have to do those things in order to make people play on their website.

and for all the people this is not fair because like above us said, it is about losing our money without we have a chance to get our money back. for the first time, I am playing gambling, I don't even thinking that the site is fair or not because I only want to feel how to playing gambling. I even don't read if the site is fair and what I want is to try many of games but lately, I read that the site is fair but I don't think this is fair for the gamblers. I only want to play the games and enjoy my time.

As for me, no matter how fair Land Casino might be, I may not be a party to it because I still believe one way or the other, each of them has uncleared manuoverities of rigging you off ignorantly. But with deep sense of humor on line, you can have a fair play.

But we do able to see most casinos or gambling sites claiming that they are provably fair but we arent really sure if they are really fair.This is why when we deposit into the site then we should consider that those money are already lost and dont expect too much on making money out of it. If you do play for entertainment then these things wont really matter at all.

Even though they know that all of the casinos here online are not fair, they are still going to play because they wanted to earn easy money, they don't care if they are going to risk their money(no matter how much it is) just for them to satisfy their needs and to know if they are really lucky on gambling, well most of them lost against the house and still continuing playing gambling(doesn't make any sense what they are doing in their lives).

Even they know such thing, there are still some whose hoping to experienced what happened on them the first time or the last time they played, we all know that casinos have this way that they will allowed us to win at first to get our interest and to be their supporters,that's the reason why still we keep playing hoping somehow that momentum will be ours again even it's impossible to happen if without proper control.

I don't think that I'm going to win in long term when gambling. The only thing that I'm thinking is that the longer I'll stay in the casino, the harder chance that I'm going to win.

Then you have realize it is really harder chance to win in gambling. But in thread, we are talking about fair system, if you go any casino where you realize its system is not fair to win then what do you do? 

OP mean that why do you keep gambling although you're knowing that you will lose eventually

My answer is : greed
People's greed is more than anything and difficult to satisfy especially when they become addicted gambler.

Still, play even we know that it's always the house that wins we can still keep on playing until we don't have anything left, that scenario from addicted players ending up being broke, so why care when other's don't even bother that they're already addicted in it. Just a heads up, when we win we should at least enjoy it since we don't know when will it happen next. Accept always what will be the outcome of the game so that you will not ended up being depress when bad luck hits you AF.

It is their business strategy to get money out of the pockets of their clients. This must be understood by the gamblers than they are wasting their money for the profit of someone else. Does a wise person use his money for the sake of the other, and ultimately loss his money and profits other one. Definitely not, so is the reason that people are not aware for the business strategies these casinos have.

Someone once told me there is nothing like “free” that exists in this world. We have to pay for everything one way or the other. Why would even casinos let us enjoy the environment and services while letting us have all the fun by gambling? In this ideal scenario, all that house is doing, giving away pleasure to The Gamblers for free and free takes place nowhere in the world. From the very first moment, house is coming after the money of players.

actually i think all systems are fair. because we always get the victory, but some people always feel cheated when they find him suffered a big defeat, another case when they get the victory. indeed in the long run very rarely does a person get a win in every last session of gambling

How can you seek a fair play when you already know that all these fellows of casinos have their own business strategies to engaged clients. They don’t let them know what is being done with them without their permission. People go in casinos for filling their own pockets but the mending with filling pockets of land owners of casinos and actually losing all of the wealth they have with them once.

As I've said its harder for me in the long term but in the beginning I'm believing in the beginning's luck - not beginners luck. And if the casino's system isn't fair at all there's no need for me to stay, I busted them out and found out that they aren't fair so why do I have to stay?

Exactly, you are absolutely right, i demand for you this type of answer. If i am in your place then i also busted them out if casino system not fair. I aware you every gambler can quickly judge that casino's system is fair or not, for it we have no need to experience for it. But by chance or by my good luck i have no bad experience of it where i found unfair casino's system.

There's no need to demand on me with this type of answer as I'm going to answer that way. And whoever is going to stay in a casino that he is no longer benefiting or he realized that there's no fairness, its not a provably fair casino so what's the use of staying there? A gambler will always look for a better opportunity or where he is comfortable with especially those casino's that has friendly supports and very reachable when there are problems founds.

The obvious step is to not go and play in such a place again. That would be very stupid of any person to gamble even after knowing failure is his fate. I would also like to add one more thing here, no system is fair with his players or we can say that no casino would remain fair with his player ‘for long’. It is just in the beginning that luck decides our consequences but afterwards house starts playing with us.

We care about whats going on in the game and if its fair,
Of course we all want to have a fair game when it comes to gambling,
Who would want to risk his/her money even though he/she knows that the system is cheating.

Casinos and also the online kind has and advantage over the players and that's the edge. They have this to ensure their profit and that's what my opinion is and what I have read in some articles. Even though people know about that they still gamble because they think that they could overcome the system and profit from it.

This is why people do always repeat the same mistake all over again because they are pursuing and forcing the thing that they can able to beat the house.We do all know that gambling sites are businesses being built which as expected houses would really have the edge always among to its players which is normal this is why they wont really be fair at all since from the start.