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Hey guys, I did the driver trick to get all six of my rx 570 gpus up and all worked swell for a week. Today after the latest windows update for windows defender (and I guess windows itself, I'm not sure) everything broke. I'm trying to re-install the drivers using the same method I did originally.

Is anyone else having a similar problem? At this point I'm saying fuck it and getting some sleep because this is driving me mad.

Best,
Jesse

Did you run DDU after the update?

Also.. If it is a dedicated mining rig, why update at all?

1) yes I did ddu, re installed the modified driver and now can only get up to 4 cards working. When I plug in the 5th and the mobo recognizes it, it 'installs' the device but then black screens, so I reboot and then get a dll error when claymore opens.

2) I'm an idiot and didn't turn off auto update.

yep same fucking problem on all my rigs one by one going down fucking windows man

on windows 10 you cant stop it from updating , tried registry hacks disabling the update service everything, once a rig reboots everything goes back to how it was so fucking anoying

I actually just was getting on the forum to see if anyone one else was having this issue.....

Not happy.

The reg edit hack works for me. I looked up my Windows Update logs and it stopped with the updates the day it was applied.

http://www.windowscentral.com/how-stop-updates-installing-automatically-windows-10#prevent_auto_update_registry

Totally doing this....

This windows update to APRIL 2017 driver is KILLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pulling out all my hair....

make a folder  mining   put it on the desktop


open it  put a folder  in it  protected software.



open windows defender    and exclude :


  protected software


boot
restart
come back to windows defender check that protected software is excluded

then exclude   mining

boot restart

check both folders are excluded


then download  mining software  and extract it to  protected software.

also if windows 10    do the tricks to stop updates.

and if they fail  you still are excluded from windows defender.

I do not advocate hurting people  but windows defender programmers deserve a kic in the but.

I got to it before 3 of my rigs updated.

Wasn't so lucky with 2 others.

I have them of them working with only 5 cards. Only seeing 5 out of 7 cards even in the bios.

Any ideas?

yap me too..
all 470 rig and 570, need to disable update in services, and disable driver update in system.
then uninstall with ddu, and install the mod driver and patch again

I'm beginning to hate windows. If anyone has the latest ethos hit me up over pm I'll pay you.

Shitty part is, I had it disabled and somehow it still installed an update.

For now I cant dual mine on it. Even worse, after DDU, reinstalling drivers, I ran the pixel patcher and it now only sees 5 out of my 6 GPU's and still I have been unable to fix this.

So much for disabling updates.  ::)

I got the exact same problem. I already specify that hardware must not be updated in advance system settings. Still do not work

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only thing that works is the show hide update tool. Immedialy after you unload the shitty driver run that tool and disable the next time it will try to update

that worked for me , total POS

Only minuts after writing I am down to 5 cards I am now down to 4 cards. One card is suddenly giving a code 43. What are they doing @ windows? They want to push miners away from their software??

 Just standard Microsoft long-standing issue with marketing running the company, and thinking they know what the users want better than THE USERS THAT CONSTANTLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THEIR STUPID IDEAS AND OTHER IDIOCY know what they want.

 How many YEARS - or is it DECADES now - have users been bitching about "auto update causing problems" - and Micro$loth just keeps blowing those complaints off?


 IMO miners should avoid Windows like the plague it has pretty much always been.

This seems to be working. I just tried it. I don't know what will happen next.

What I did to fix it
ran the hide tool from windows
Then ddu all my drivers
Then got the latest amd driver installed (17.5.1)
Then ran the patcher
Everything was okay again.

what patcher?

Same issue, different thread, more details

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1921225.0

everyone with AMD is having this issue.. .stupid "compatibility diagnostics" update..

Go into group policy editor (type GPEDIT into Cortana and select the match Edit Group Policy), then expand:
 
Local Computer Policy -> Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update (way at the bottom)

Under Windows Update you will find a policy to "Do not include drivers with Windows Updates".

Set this to enabled and apply.

You might also want to look at: Configure Automatic Updates (I set it to enabled and option "2") as well as the other polices to see what works for you.

This will not completely lock out the windows update mechanism, but it seems to have minimized the worse behaviors of it at least for me. I still get notified of updates but this way I can choose when to apply the non-driver updates on my schedule.

Here is the point for miners:

 You need to use Win 10 Professional. Why?

a) Your copy of Win 10 can be moved around.

b) You can edit the group policy for windows updates. YOU CAN'T DO THIS FOR THE CHEAPER VERSIONS.

Googling Windows 10 update stop or words to that effect you will find a PC mag article on how to edit the group policy on updates. You can also edit the group policy on driver updates.

From the top of my head, here is a list of things I change in Win 10 Pro to setup for mining:

1) 16 GB virtual memory cache

2) Under power options, change monitor and PC sleep to never. Change HDD sleep to a big number.

3) Change Win 10's preference to high performance (this turns off all the fancy graphics).

3) Turn off driver updates. This is either under system or it's an individual group policy change.

4) Windows updates. Edit the relevant windows update group policy editor.

5) Look at installed programs in case something snuck in (like Riva) and delete.

6) Turn off and/or delete the live windows on the home page like sports and news etc etc.

7) Run DDU.

8) Install relevant AMD driver.


Add to this list if possible.

Google "set your ethernet as a metered connection".

Once you do - windows will never update again unless you do it manually.
Works in every version.

Has anyone tried this tool to disable updates recently?   http://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-0/   I read that using the Group Policy Editor doesn't work after the Anniversary Update, but I may try that as well. Spending two hours fixing this mess yesterday was a royal pita.

I finally found a way by accident to not be forcefed updates on windows 10!
No more bullcrap driver installation uninstallation sessions for me :)

I keep my SSD too full for them!

Care to share?  ;D

My Windows 10 Rigs all have a local copy of the latest pixel patcher so If the rig updates drivers I just do a pixel patch, reboot and bang back up and running.

Thanks for this and the other recommendations on this thread, they are very helpful!  I had to run DDU then reinstall 16.10 on all 4 of my rigs at least once each, so all in all, a waste of at least 4-5 hours and probably close to $100 in lost earnings. I haven't had too many issues with other non-driver updates so hoping this "dont include drivers" method will help future proof this crap!

This is the only thing that is working so far.

Ok.  So I followed the instructions here.  It appears each time i run the pixel patcher the computer reboots and freezes then it gives me a blue screen to repair which turns into an endless loop of failure with the only option that works being to reinstall windows.  Ive reinstalled multiple times.  I can get 4 of 6 cards to work on 1 rig and thats code 43 on the other two cards.  Any ideas?

For a rock solid stable windows rig , the following should be disabled windows update, defender, firewall , action center maintenance , sleep time , and setting apperance for best performance , not using windows 10 but most of this things are in different windows versions and they are the cause of all mining problems

Whats an alternative to windows 10 + claymore that will give me similar results I'm currently  getting 29.9 mh/s on 6 cards each.  ( 480rx )

thanks

I've had same issue on one of my rigs.

Going to be switching to simplemining OS to avoid this BS

 Better to use Win 7, if you feel the need to use Windows at all, since it is a lot easier to disable this stupid BS.

 There is ZERO benefit to Windows 10 for a miner over even Windows 7, and a LOT more pain issues.

its easy to disable via group policy
windows 10 handles 6+ gpus out of the box with no hax and loads and installs wayf faster

I prefer win10 as long as updates and driver downloads are disabled

Don't turn off Update, Defender, or Firewall.  Even if nothing is ever running besides your mining software, a Windows machine connected to the Internet that is not continually patched will quickly become vulnerable to remote exploitation.  Especially if you aren't using a commercial-grade firewall or threat management device at the network edge.

The local Windows Firewall should remain on, and only open the necessary ports.  You don't just get rid of the locks on your house because you don't want to deal with them.

It's better to have some reboots once in a while due to security updates than to have your entire mining operation become part of a botnet, or need to have an OS reinstall on every machine.

http://thehackernews.com/2017/05/smb-exploit-cryptocurrency-mining.html (http://thehackernews.com/2017/05/smb-exploit-cryptocurrency-mining.html)

I'm absolutely amazed at the number of people who still suggest disabling Windows Update.  You don't have to actively do anything on a computer for it to become infected.  No amount of "being careful" is going to keep an unpatched computer secure.  A single compromised machine anywhere on the network is enough to compromise every other computer.

Q,

I like the functionality of 7, especially just the ability to update only the malware, virus and firewall.

but for 10, All that Marvell said (especially 6GPU's out of the box) plus:


Under 10, new video driver installation seems to be less of a hassle. Installing and daily use of the utility software like PBE, Trixx, afterburner, atiflash also seems less of a hassle in terms of crashes. To some degree you don't have to worry about getting punished for using the latest version of anything.

Win 10 was cheap on Ebay and Win 7 Pro was actually more expensive. At the time of purchase. I believe Win 7 Pro couldn't be moved around.

 Windows firewall is a pathetic joke and always has been.
 You can't expect REAL protection when the OS your firewall software is running on top of is full of security holes itself.

 There is a REASON all of my Windows machines ALWAYS connect to the Internet through a firewall built on LINUX or Cisco's router/firewall OS.

 INFINITELY better protection than Windows will ever manage on it's own.

I see a lot of people are trying to do regedit, disabling scheduled tasks and even reinstalling drivers.
I took a different approach to this, I'm fortunate enough to have a decent firewall that allows me to control which ports are accessible to specific IP addresses.
What I did to prevent this shitty microshaft update to hit my servers was by blocking all external incoming and outgoing ports on the fixed IP addresses of my mining rigs EXCEPT the specific port the mining software requires to connect to the mining pool for Ethermine it's port 4444).

I'm using a Watch Guard firewall, it's an expensive firewall but there are other manufacturers that provide similar features.
I have never tested this solution using the Windows Firewall, but I imagine that M$ is smart enough to get around their own built-in firewall.
The surest way is to block all incoming and outgoing traffic on a network level and ONLY allow specific ports needed for mining and remote management.

If you already got hit by this dumb update, I would highly suggest restoring an earlier backup of your windows OS if you have one.
If you do not have a backup prior of the windows update, do what you can by uninstalling the update, removing scheduled tasks in the windows update and updateOrcastrator directory and deleting the update files from the System32 directory.

 

Wasn't one of the reasons some folks like Windows 10 for mining that you supposedly DON'T NEED the "6GPU" hack to the drivers to get more than 4 cards working on it?


Most "firewall appliances" can also block ports except as specifically needed, though I've seen specs on a few of the cheap low-end ones that have a ridiculously small limit on how many machines they can do that for.

I had the same problem with auto reinstalling driver. i run ccleaner and disable all startup programs and shedulled tasks. it worked. also better then to run ddu is to Rool back driver.

Don't know why anyone is still making such a fuss with the windows updates today. The new drivers actually work fine now and are more than compatible with mining/compute workloads. Are there actually still cards that do bad on the latest drivers?

This is what I am doing (just the addendum part - it's all you need - scroll down to it)
https://techgage.com/print/taking-back-control-of-windows-10-updates/



Haven't seen it posted here.  Basically if you take away the system's ability to access those two files: MusNotification.exe, and MusNotificationUx.exe then it can't reboot after it tries to install updates.  Updates become a manual process. In fact I noticed that the updates often fail the first time but succeed the second, but since it's happening on my terms and when I initiate it, I'm fine with that.  I do updates every couple of months. Some updates, like feature updates, will undo or fix these changes to these two files and then you have to do them again.  But at least you get to control the whole process your self.

EDIT: I guess I should say, it's not actually all you need, you still need to configure the box to not update drivers.  But this prevents those annoying monthly windows updates from rebooting your box.  I also run an AV which disables windows defender and I add exclusions to the AV for my miner files.  Windows defender has started quarantining some miner executables and it isn't very easy to whitelist them, so it needs to be disabled one way or another.

Rigproxy's free DNS service (BCT post here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3001613.0)) is the solution for mining rig because of windows that can do whatever it wants to do even when update services and parameters are disabled.

Advice : as we currently only have one server running (others have been temporary disabled), please use :
- rigproxy server (92.222.144.203) as main DNS on your rig
- your local router's or google's 8.8.8.8 as second server