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Title: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 03, 2013, 02:57:25 AM
hi all,

I am currently designing an inclusive real world BitNote :)

I noticed that many designers have forgotten that Bitcoin is supposed to be a GLOBAL currency and there are many languages and even numerical systems out there, over 14 of which I found in google. Just like the european union, switzerland, canada and other countries that have more than one official language make their currency accessible to all, Bitcoin if truly global should be also?

The design will incorporate numerals from each system used in the world and even braille. The prominent numeral will be a roman numeral- as it is world recognized even though ironically part of a dead language system.

 It will also have the word 'Bitcoin' in every language in readable font all over the note.

here is the beginnings of my design:

http://s12.postimg.org/dfi8vl9l9/noteidea.jpg

However I have a hurdle. I do not speak every world language, and only have google translate as my trusty friend.

I would like native language speakers to let me know how to say bitcoin in their language and national script- For instance google translate of spanish for bit coin was 'monedas les bitas' but is that how a native speaker would say bitcoin?

Open to all comments. Then I will update the full designs for people's approval.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: empoweoqwj on May 03, 2013, 03:46:35 AM
There was a thread like this before. I contributed to it. I suggest you search for that rather than re-inventing the wheel.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Dabs on May 03, 2013, 06:42:02 AM
Well, "bitcoin" should be bitcoin in every language. Unless you are translating two words like "bit" and "coin". Sometimes the translation of those two words separately and then put together sound absurd. Try it in your own or other language.

It should just be bitcoin.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: acorn on May 03, 2013, 02:44:14 PM
Well, "bitcoin" should be bitcoin in every language. Unless you are translating two words like "bit" and "coin". Sometimes the translation of those two words separately and then put together sound absurd. Try it in your own or other language.

It should just be bitcoin.

I think he means how is it written, because there are plenty of languages which do not use roman characters (A-Z).


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Peter Lambert on May 03, 2013, 02:50:38 PM
It will also have the word 'Bitcoin' in every language in readable font all over the note.

If readable is your goal, then get rid of the floating shadow behind the words, it is hurting my eyes!


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: yolo2222 on May 03, 2013, 03:13:14 PM
Well, "bitcoin" should be bitcoin in every language. Unless you are translating two words like "bit" and "coin". Sometimes the translation of those two words separately and then put together sound absurd. Try it in your own or other language.

It should just be bitcoin.

+1

like dollar is known as dollar and euro as euro.
Even in the deepest slums they will call it bitcoin :)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: rme on May 03, 2013, 03:19:47 PM
Bitcoin in Spanish: Bitcoin  ;)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: finway on May 03, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Bitcoin in Chinese:
比特币


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: mantas on May 03, 2013, 04:50:42 PM
Bitcoin in Spanish: Bitcoin  ;)
Monedas mordidas, trozos de moneda, pocomonedas...

PS: I'm just trolling, I think you're right.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Joshster on May 03, 2013, 05:58:54 PM
Eh, possible. It will resolve around Child Porn and Drugs. But drugs and other illegal things can be bought with USD so it's just bad attempts at getting something to look bad.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Peter Lambert on May 03, 2013, 06:12:49 PM
Eh, possible. It will resolve around Child Porn and Drugs. But drugs and other illegal things can be bought with USD so it's just bad attempts at getting something to look bad.

Did you reply in the wrong thread? It is usually a good idea to quote what you are responding to.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 03, 2013, 07:26:16 PM
Hi guys,

thanks for your responses. Bitcointalk was down for me yesterday so I was unable to comment.

In answer to some statements:

There was a thread like this before. I contributed to it. I suggest you search for that rather than re-inventing the wheel.

Can you tell me where? I did a search and came up with nothing like it. A link would be handy.

Well, "bitcoin" should be bitcoin in every language. Unless you are translating two words like "bit" and "coin". Sometimes the translation of those two words separately and then put together sound absurd. Try it in your own or other language.

It should just be bitcoin.

Oh dabs, oh dabs, so sad. I think you would have made a good colonialist, with the mentality lets make the natives say what sounds right to us. Do you speak any other languages whatsoever? How do you know that 'bitcoin' is even pronounceable to some other language users? I don't know the answer, thats why I am asking the question- Isn't it up to other people how they say something in their language instead of imposing more anglicisation on the world?


+1

like dollar is known as dollar and euro as euro.
Even in the deepest slums they will call it bitcoin :)

Coming from a man who lives in deepest slums? In Bulgaria, EURO is called EBPO pronouced 'ev-ro'. In spanish they call the Dollar 'Peso' or  dólar. The french call british pound 'Livre' and even still refer to money as 'Argent' (silver) The egyptians call pounds 'Guinea'. And this is just what I know first hand from the result of my own travels. So I do not pretend to know the minds of every culture and language. Sadly, It would seem that there is still quite a few closed minds out there who don't grasp this as an 'International' project.

Have a look at the MultiBit translation files, which are open source (MIT licence).

http://translate.multibit.org (http://translate.multibit.org)

There are 25+ languages translated so you can just pick out the text you want. Stored as escaped Unicode ie codepoint 01234 is stored as \u1234.

Jim I looked but could not see how to access it. I had to make an account and seems to be chargeable. but thanks for the suggestion.

It will also have the word 'Bitcoin' in every language in readable font all over the note.

If readable is your goal, then get rid of the floating shadow behind the words, it is hurting my eyes!

Peter- sorry, will be edited.
 


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Sukrim on May 03, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
EBPO is just Euro in Cyrillic letters... ::)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 03, 2013, 09:07:04 PM
EBPO is just Euro in Cyrillic letters... ::)

No its not, if you knew anything about the Bulgarian Language you would not say that. EBPO is EVRO a 'B' is a 'V' in Cyrillic. It is also pronounced 'EVRO' in speech. Are you trolling?


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: mantas on May 03, 2013, 09:23:08 PM
I think sukrim isn't trolling, He's just as ignorant as me. Someone has told you that this is needed? I mean, bitcoin it's a very new thing and english is being spoken in almost all the world.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Sukrim on May 03, 2013, 10:31:35 PM
EBPO is just Euro in Cyrillic letters... ::)

No its not, if you knew anything about the Bulgarian Language you would not say that. EBPO is EVRO a 'B' is a 'V' in Cyrillic. It is also pronounced 'EVRO' in speech. Are you trolling?
Call the European Central Bank then and tell them to stop putting out new 5 Euro notes with exactly this transliteration...

Some people...

Also as already said, there is a thread with literal and most likely used translations and transliterations of bitcoin already on the forum. Use Google site search for example.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 04, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
EBPO is just Euro in Cyrillic letters... ::)

No its not, if you knew anything about the Bulgarian Language you would not say that. EBPO is EVRO a 'B' is a 'V' in Cyrillic. It is also pronounced 'EVRO' in speech. Are you trolling?
Call the European Central Bank then and tell them to stop putting out new 5 Euro notes with exactly this transliteration...


you mean this one?

http://www.thezooom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/New-5-Euro-Notes.jpg



Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 04, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Also as already said, there is a thread with literal and most likely used translations and transliterations of bitcoin already on the forum. Use Google site search for example.

As asked before, can you point me in it's direction, as I have searched but cannot find it. I would be most grateful.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: jonwaller on May 05, 2013, 06:37:15 AM
Japanese:
ビットコイン (Pronunciation: bittokoin)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on May 05, 2013, 06:41:49 AM
With the influx of newbies, I honestly can't tell anymore if these threads are serious attempts or if they're just trolling to make fun of idiots who would support them.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Dabs on May 05, 2013, 03:42:35 PM
Maybe they're serious trolls? I mean, they can be sincere. Just don't forget that they can also be sincerely wrong.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: shantee on May 07, 2013, 03:40:55 PM
I can tell you how to write it in thai : บิทคอยน์
It won't be pronounced like you'd pronounce bitcoin in english though, it should sound like "bitkoy"

Everywhere we use roman characters (abcde...) the word won't change but the pronunciation might differ a lot.  In my concern I am french and  I pronounce it the french way (even though I got not problems with english language and even if it kind of sounds silly in french)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Peter Lambert on May 07, 2013, 03:46:05 PM
I can tell you how to write it in thai : บิทคอยน์
It won't be pronounced like you'd pronounce bitcoin in english though, it should sound like "bitkoy"

Everywhere we use roman characters (abcde...) the word won't change but the pronunciation might differ a lot.  In my concern I am french and  I pronounce it the french way (even though I got not problems with english language and even if it kind of sounds silly in french)

How would you read bitcoin in french? "beet-kwahn"? That probably looks silly to you :)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Thracian on May 07, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
Actually, in post-1981 modern Greek, it would be:

μπιτκόιν

No point above ι, accent in o, no diaeresis or trema above ι .



check if these are correct:

Latin: bitcoin
Japanese: ビットコイン
Chinese: 比特币
Traditional chinese: 比特幣
Hebrew: ביטקוין
Cyrillic: биткoйн
Hindi, Marathi: बिटकॉइन
Arabic: بتكوين
Greek: μπίτκoϊν
Korean: 비트코인
Tamil: பிட்காயின்
Esperanto: bitmono



Please OP write the ones you know in your first post, not only in that image, it is unreadable

also an old thread    
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128009.0


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: shantee on May 07, 2013, 04:18:57 PM
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How would you read bitcoin in french? "beet-kwahn"? That probably looks silly to you

Yes I suppose you can write "beet" in english to represent the way would pronounce "bit" in french  as for "coin" in english I can't write it using roman letters because you don't have that sound in english but in phonetic alphabet it should be  "kwɛ̃" ..
so in french bitcoin = "beet"+[kwɛ̃]

Now yes it sounds a little funny to me but I am not sure why exactly. Probably because "bit" sounds like "bitte" in french which is a slang term for "dick" and also "coin" ([kwɛ̃] ) sounds like what ducks do [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] . An other reason could be that it's still a new word and I haven't heard a lot of french speaking people pronouncing it yet.

I don't speak dutch / hindi , chinese or any other language (beside french / english / thai) but I suppose some other language could have very different way to pronounce it, and it might also sound funny


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 07, 2013, 05:26:19 PM
Guys,

thanks for your input, I've been quite busy with my auction running answering questions there so not had a chance to turn attention to the notes, but rest assured im grateful for the contributions and will be using them on my prototype designs.....


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Peter Lambert on May 07, 2013, 05:27:28 PM
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How would you read bitcoin in french? "beet-kwahn"? That probably looks silly to you

Yes I suppose you can write "beet" in english to represent the way would pronounce "bit" in french  as for "coin" in english I can't write it using roman letters because you don't have that sound in english but in phonetic alphabet it should be  "kwɛ̃" ..
so in french bitcoin = "beet"+[kwɛ̃]

Now yes it sounds a little funny to me but I am not sure why exactly. Probably because "bit" sounds like "bitte" in french which is a slang term for "dick" and also "coin" ([kwɛ̃] ) sounds like what ducks do [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] [kwɛ̃] . An other reason could be that it's still a new word and I haven't heard a lot of french speaking people pronouncing it yet.

I don't speak dutch / hindi , chinese or any other language (beside french / english / thai) but I suppose some other language could have very different way to pronounce it, and it might also sound funny

Heck, it sounds funny to me whenever I hear somebody actually say "bitcoin", and I am a natural English speaker. I read about bitcoins on the forum all the time, but I don't actually hear people say it often. Probably just something to get used to over time.


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: shantee on May 07, 2013, 06:15:23 PM
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Heck, it sounds funny to me whenever I hear somebody actually say "bitcoin", and I am a natural English speaker. I read about bitcoins on the forum all the time, but I don't actually hear people say it often. Probably just something to get used to over time.

+ 1

I am just coming back to the subject of that topic because I am wondering now..
What's the use of designing a bitcoin note ? Sorry if it's a silly question,  but i was believing such things would never exist since bitcoin is a virtual cryptocurrency.  That means you'll have to write a private key on a your note ? And then it would exchangeable only one time (and personally i won't trusty somebody giving me such a paper and telling me "ok , here you go, here are your 10 btc"
 

oh and have you thought about learning about design and stuff before starting your project ? :)


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 07, 2013, 06:53:47 PM
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Heck, it sounds funny to me whenever I hear somebody actually say "bitcoin", and I am a natural English speaker. I read about bitcoins on the forum all the time, but I don't actually hear people say it often. Probably just something to get used to over time.

+ 1

I am just coming back to the subject of that topic because I am wondering now..
What's the use of designing a bitcoin note ? Sorry if it's a silly question,  but i was believing such things would never exist since bitcoin is a virtual cryptocurrency. 

People like to feel physical things, As per the physical bitcoins that are currently available.

 
quote author=shantee link=topic=193976.msg2062752#msg2062752 date=1367950523]
oh and have you thought about learning about design and stuff before starting your project ? :)
[/quote]

Are you trying to be offensive with that comment or do you just suffer from foot in mouth syndrome?


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: shantee on May 07, 2013, 07:51:14 PM
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Are you trying to be offensive with that comment or do you just suffer from foot in mouth syndrome?

No actually I was trying to find a nice way to say that your mockup / "work in progress" (whatever you call it) is just ...ok..Let's say not so good. I guess I failed ^^

Well sorry you understood my remark that way but you should really try to take it as constructive criticism..I mean did you give a look at some other banknotes before coming up with this ? Perhaps you might be inspired taking a close look at a 10€ banknote , 100 baht , 100 yuan , or a dollar bill ...

..And actually calling it "design" or even the beginning of it could offense some people around here


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: Peter Lambert on May 07, 2013, 08:02:24 PM

I am just coming back to the subject of that topic because I am wondering now..
What's the use of designing a bitcoin note ? Sorry if it's a silly question,  but i was believing such things would never exist since bitcoin is a virtual cryptocurrency.  That means you'll have to write a private key on a your note ? And then it would exchangeable only one time (and personally i won't trusty somebody giving me such a paper and telling me "ok , here you go, here are your 10 btc"
 

oh and have you thought about learning about design and stuff before starting your project ? :)

Think about it more like a personal check. There must be some people you would trust to hand you a personal check, right? Like your mother, or your best friend, or your boss. Why wouldn't you trust one of these people to hand you a bitcoin note as well?


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: The Bitcoin Catalog on May 08, 2013, 03:56:51 AM
French: bitcoin (with French pronunciation)  :P


Title: Re: how to say 'Bitcoin' in your national language?
Post by: bitcoin_bob on May 08, 2013, 04:06:29 PM
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Are you trying to be offensive with that comment or do you just suffer from foot in mouth syndrome?

No actually I was trying to find a nice way to say that your mockup / "work in progress" (whatever you call it) is just ...ok..Let's say not so good. I guess I failed ^^

Well sorry you understood my remark that way but you should really try to take it as constructive criticism..I mean did you give a look at some other banknotes before coming up with this ? Perhaps you might be inspired taking a close look at a 10€ banknote , 100 baht , 100 yuan , or a dollar bill ...

..And actually calling it "design" or even the beginning of it could offense some people around here

It was not supposed to be good it was supposed to be an example. I drew it in paint in 5 mins. I was half asleep and tired and looking for some input so made an example image to spur some people to help.

I understand what you were trying to say but your natural assumption that I have not studied design without knowing me personally was a bit offensive. Basically you missed the point i was trying to make to collect how bitcoin is said which has no bearing on a final design......and I cant see how a simple drawing short of a swastika/picture of a black guy in chains with a heart around him and smiling saying I love slavery/anything that slanders Islam can 'cause offence' to people unless they are right up their own behinds and get offended at everything.

However you can surely see my offence when you make a sarcastic comment referencing my CV/resume without knowing me or it's content, is ignorant, and ignorant people offend me.