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Title: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Tomatocage on May 08, 2013, 02:36:28 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: zdarkazn on May 08, 2013, 02:37:37 PM
Thanks for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: psybits on May 08, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
Another sign: when you are a reputable member like me, and when you ask the noob to send first and suddenly they stop replying to your PM. Scammer! Maybe I should start a list in the public interest?

Latest possible scammer(s):

- penetration -> confirmed scammer has scammed multiple people



EDIT: I have decided I will keep this list updated and maintained. (and of course remove people who later turn out not to be scammers - but if they are genuinely looking for a trade and have only about 100 posts why would they not send first to someone like me? Hopefully I can help everyone here)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: FuzzyBear on May 08, 2013, 05:13:51 PM
excellent information and advice... amazing list well done for ur hard work... hope u were not scammed!!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: BBQKorv on May 08, 2013, 10:07:59 PM
Never trust provided TXIDs on new altcoins without block explorer. Better just wait to see the coins in your wallet and fully confirmed. Some people try to send manufactured TXIDs/screenshots to "proof" they made a payment.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on May 09, 2013, 01:12:30 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: pekv2 on May 09, 2013, 12:51:53 PM
3) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.

This is another reason bitcointalk.org should have an appraisals section created.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192090.msg1989926#msg1989926



Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: xqr on May 09, 2013, 01:21:10 PM
Is there an actively maintained scammer list anywhere? Would like to add the name "crymo" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=111941 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=111941)) to it.

Ripped me off for 500 YAC/0.25 BTC


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on May 09, 2013, 02:05:25 PM
Post it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
Present evidence of your transfer to him, like the transfer id and, if possible, a scan of a message from him stating his address to where you sent the transfer.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ronaldinho_07 on May 09, 2013, 05:40:52 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195544.msg2032797#msg2032797
pls add this one to the scammer list


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Simran on May 09, 2013, 06:01:45 PM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on May 09, 2013, 07:57:07 PM
Like all "human sciences rules", those "characteristics" certainly don't intend to be exact (alright, the 100% on newbies is an exaggeration, but to exaggerate is part of the way someone makes others aware of certain dangers), their goal seems to be to raise reservations on certain members based on past experience. Some scammers do adopt female names as a way to better scam men or adopt normal names as nicks trying to inspire trust.
I wouldn't make a list of suspects based only on those "characteristics", out of respect for their reputation, but, from a collective interest perspective, it might be very useful.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Guru01 on May 10, 2013, 12:28:19 AM
Good post.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: RichG on May 10, 2013, 03:03:57 AM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

Simran, I agree. People are quite stereotypical around here.
Really pisses me off.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: RichG on May 10, 2013, 03:14:17 AM
EUGENICS!!!

Stop encouraging them!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: John (John K.) on May 10, 2013, 03:31:33 AM
Point 0 is absolutely correct almost 50% of the time.  You'll agree so if you were getting the mountainous scam report PM's like I get daily...


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Zaih on May 10, 2013, 03:34:49 AM
Scammer awareness is a great way to further prevent the issues that have been arising recently. It's becoming such a joke really.

Thanks for this topic, it's a great way for people to realise the environment they're dealing in.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Tomatocage on May 10, 2013, 04:13:44 AM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

^^ Listen to this guy. He got 1000 LTC stolen right from his own BTC-E account, so he's definitely the picture of perception and awareness.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Simran on May 10, 2013, 05:12:35 AM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

^^ Listen to this guy. He got 1000 LTC stolen right from his own BTC-E account, so he's definitely the picture of perception and awareness.

And want to know the awesome part? I got 2000 LTC back from the same dude that hacked me. I ain't complaining.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: John (John K.) on May 10, 2013, 02:02:40 PM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

Please read carefully what he said.

Quote
Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER

Seriously, this is the truth. I'm sick and tired of seeing yet another 'zomg Imma got hacked my pants off' thread/PM. >:(


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Simran on May 10, 2013, 03:16:41 PM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

Please read carefully what he said.

Quote
Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER

Seriously, this is the truth. I'm sick and tired of seeing yet another 'zomg Imma got hacked my pants off' thread/PM. >:(

When I was a newbie, I traded with newbies. You just gotta analyze the situation in more depth, because this point is too broad.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: smoothie on May 10, 2013, 07:03:35 PM
What I find funny is that so many people complain about my trolling yet I'm likely one of the most honest people on this forum...sometimes brutally honest.

But never scammed anyone nor ever intend to.

It is always the self proclaimed saviors that offer x% on your money if you send it to them blah blah blah.

Scammers in my book are the equivalent of PUSSIES who are too afraid to go hack it (no pun intended) on their own. Damn mamma's boys.  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: paperman82 on May 12, 2013, 09:12:02 PM
Was there talk of an escrow bot? Wouldn't that fix the scamming issue?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: legendster on May 13, 2013, 04:22:16 AM
Since I m on this list.
Please list my exchange as well. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176877.msg1841315#msg1841315


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: funnybear on May 18, 2013, 08:50:46 AM
Mark,that helps a lot.
But how can i become a full member


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: MashRinx on May 20, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
Jr./Full member is tied to post count, specifically.  That is why the member type alone shouldn't account for much, if anything.  Just today I saw a member who has over 500 posts with an account just 17 days old.  I have been around since Jan 2012 - older than some, not older than others - and have just recently become a full member myself.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: cryptostore07 on May 21, 2013, 09:51:59 AM
Very helpful post.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: panoss on May 28, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
1.000.000 bitcoins needed to build spacecraft.
will send them back with interest when i reach  planet Nibiru

Donations Accepted : 1KeS7fsryzCb1LkrVWscWaug5rqhvFAwuR



Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: broken_pixel on June 03, 2013, 06:45:15 PM
^ Good stuff! Post your schematics of the propulsion system please.  :P


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: bernard75 on June 04, 2013, 10:14:50 AM
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female
9. New user trying to sell an Apple iAnything
Thx for the morning laugh.
Other than that excellent job!!!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: JohnSy on June 15, 2013, 04:54:35 AM
Thanks for the news


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: jonytk on June 25, 2013, 08:17:40 AM
You forget to add:

-new XXX coin that has no real use, it's a copy-paste with a cute website and, the owner claims it's going to replace bitcoin / skyrocket because x and y.

(only miners that get magic internet money buy this with their new minted money... thus pumping)

Also btc-e-troll-box-speak:

to the moon! : my assets just multiplied 2x, 3x, 5x, i'm selling as fast as i can without plunging the price.

bitcoin crash! /Gox down /bitcoin now illegal : i just sold my bitcoins, at current*1.2 price i want to buy them even cheaper!

X-coin will be in gox: i just bought x
x-coin dropped from gox, plunged, crashing, forked... : i just sold


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: legitnick on June 28, 2013, 04:29:11 PM
This is a great repository of information for the noobies, and long time members as well.  Bookmarked, thanks!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: PsychoticBigBoy on July 05, 2013, 03:01:30 AM
Yes, helpful post. Thx.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: b!z on July 15, 2013, 08:28:25 AM
This is a very useful guide. It is extremely important to use a trusted escrow when trading with people you do not trust.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: bernard75 on July 17, 2013, 12:08:36 AM
This is a great repository of information for the noobies, and long time members as well.  Bookmarked, thanks!
Looking at your trust score i dont know what to say.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mryayo on July 22, 2013, 08:59:04 AM
Good to know about scammers thanks!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: smoothie on August 12, 2013, 06:56:32 PM
With all the announcements on this board you would think people would be a bit original in their way of "anncouncing".  Most threads seem to have "[ANN]".  ;D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ranmn7 on August 28, 2013, 09:01:40 PM
I'm somewhat new to this, but I have a question.

Why would I trade directly with another person at all? I use the exchanges myself to trade my mined coins, and haven't had any problems at all. Course I've only been doing this for 4 months now, and have only done a few trades.

Took me forever to figure out how to get out of newbie jail on this forum, talk about frustrating!!

Appreciate all the tips about scams though.

Also, a note. I don't have a use for ianything, so won't buy those.

I don't care about whether someone is male or female when conducting business, I think that comment/stipulation is very sexist and silly.

I get the impression that some time in the past, the only way to obtain bitcoins was thru individuals, which isn't the case now.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: smoothie on September 01, 2013, 06:29:15 PM
I'm somewhat new to this, but I have a question.

Why would I trade directly with another person at all? I use the exchanges myself to trade my mined coins, and haven't had any problems at all. Course I've only been doing this for 4 months now, and have only done a few trades.

Took me forever to figure out how to get out of newbie jail on this forum, talk about frustrating!!

Appreciate all the tips about scams though.

Also, a note. I don't have a use for ianything, so won't buy those.

I don't care about whether someone is male or female when conducting business, I think that comment/stipulation is very sexist and silly.

I get the impression that some time in the past, the only way to obtain bitcoins was thru individuals, which isn't the case now.

Trading for fiat yes you should maybe use an exchange.

But you can't purchase goods on an exchange unless the exchange has its own market place for buying and selling goods.                                 


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Et Filii on October 29, 2013, 09:21:36 AM
Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: rampalija on November 01, 2013, 08:00:15 PM
Nice informations for (us) newbies, i will take care


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: o3u on November 09, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
One trait you should add to the list above is he sort of wrote in broken english.
i will add details of the scam in the proper thread

Thanks for the info, i will trade with extreme caution every time now!

i got scammed by jovani75
here is his profile there:
http://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=279

he confirmed he had an acocunt here by PMing me with the same nickname and account here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=155646

this is the "public thread" where i ask to do the exchange/confirm.
bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=326.0

the negative review i left on his profile:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=155646


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: rampalija on November 10, 2013, 07:55:37 AM


8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.
[/quote]


This is ridicouls, 10% of miners are females. Maybe he has a problem with females, but not me.

I agree in RL you dont trust to women :D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: satosh007 on November 20, 2013, 05:55:52 PM
Great informative post plus discussions


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: bob131313 on December 01, 2013, 02:39:36 AM
Reminder. Had to remind a rl client that alts are like penny stocks. Keep in mind that alts are unproven, most want to get value to get btc. Most once hit an exchange are abandoned. To the new folks. Read the specs of the coin you are buying.

As an aside. The fact that non techie clients are talking about alts, means that this is just the beginning of the alt boom. ::insert spartan's hold image:::




Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: farafaucet on December 07, 2013, 04:03:10 AM
I LOL'd at 8   :D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Iccarus13 on December 08, 2013, 05:52:11 AM
I'm not posting much, but I am reading and lurking around. Therefore I'll always have that "newbie" status. Isn't it easy to use trading sites like mtGox or btc-e to trade you're altcoins. And sites like bitonic (euro only) to cash out? That way the chances are that you are a victim of scamming is like pretty non existing?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: middlepath on December 10, 2013, 07:43:24 PM
Learn heaps. Very useful info. Thanks!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Time Sheep on December 12, 2013, 08:50:42 AM
So you are basically ruining my chance of doing any deals at all, just because I'm not an active poster?
That is madness.

Of course I agree that an escrow is always to be used. It's just about picking the right one.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: john_han on December 13, 2013, 01:52:17 AM
Thanks for the information.it is so nice to the newbie like me


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Jollyburner on December 17, 2013, 08:30:58 AM
i am here to trade tons of coin, u guys send me first then i send u, ok?

i have mirrions u just send me frist ok? i know u think sometimes its not safe to trade with people on interwebs but its safe.

for today only if u send me 5 BTC i will return you 50000000x profit gtd. i use advanced investment strategy to maximise returns. i send the coins to china where they are cleaned and serviced, then they move them along to the west, through Damascus. here there are inspected and graded according to numericalologiness and then allotted tentative departure dates. we don't ship them, they fly first class. straight to Honolulu. from there the coins are treated to a day at the spa in waimea, followed by a traditional Hawaiian bbq. the coins stay at the five star Hilton Waikoloa and then the next morning its back on the jet over to America. here they will attend a one-day intensive coin training course, designed by the top coin professionals in the industry. this rigorous program will culminate with a battle between all the coins. in a round-robin format they will be eliminated by cutting the bottom 90% from each round, until only one coin is left. this coin is then declared the ultimate winner of the coin of the year award, and is now priceless. the remaining coins which were cut are all flushed down the toilets right there in the trade center to be swallowed by mackerels in the harbor and distributed globally. the winning coin is now flown directly to Norway via private jet (G7 experimental, who cares were ballers now) then from there is loaded into the alien spacecraft for the flight to Germany.

now here is where it gets interesting. its actually going to arrive in Germany 2 days before all this started. something to do with time dilation and dimensional wormholes, its all too much for our tiny minds to get wrapped around, just know that the coin will appear in Germany 2 days before you send me your BTC, so the investment is secure. you have actually already been guaranteed a profit before you even started!

all you have to do is start thinking about sending me the coin, and 2 days ago your coin already appeared in Germany!

so right now your priceless coin of the year supercoin wow so much coin appreciate coin is waiting to be shipped directly to you from our top secret facility in Germany. all you will need to do is provide your shipping information and it will be packaged according to your specifications and shipped with a carrier of your choosing, insured for 400 billion dollars (the maximum, we checked) so you are safe no matter what happens. alternatively it will be shipped by military transport plane to a suitable airstrip of your choosing anywhere in the world. this transport is escorted by a 7-10 man security force/counterstike team armed with military assault weapons and carrying special diplomatic status. upon arrival at the destination airstrip a convoy of local security forces will rendezvous with the escort security force and transportation to the drop point will commence immediately. there will be a 15 minute pickup window, after which time our team will clear the area for extraction if the drop has been unsuccessful.

in the event of a failed drop your coin *WILL* be delivered by 4th dimensional aliens 2 days prior to the day it arrived in Germany.(4 days before you thought of sending me the coin) You almost certainly will not want to miss the drop as the aliens that work with us don't appreciate being sent on errands to deliver priceless coin of the year coins to humans, and already have a general disregard for humans as a species. consider the  possibility that they will alter your memory of events that have transpired. (were pretty sure theyre doing it, but we cant get any proof of course, we cant remember anything they don't want us to) You may find that you don't remember ever receiving your priceless coin of the year coin 4 days ago after you invest with me. rest assured, this is likely just a result of the alien memory cleansing. after 4 more days have passed then the 4th dimensional negative universe should have re-synced with your frame of reference and your coin will reappear in your wallet. it was there the whole time but you couldn't see it because your reality was pitch shifted 90 degrees from the polar center of the supermega galaxy so that you were half synced with the 4th dimensional negative universe, and the coins' was not, it only existed on a parallel timeline, an implication of the time paradox of it being delivered 4 days before you thought about investing.

so not all new members are scammers and rip off artists, some of us are running legitimate global businesses and just because we don't have a high post count doesn't mean your investment isn't guaranteed secured by #1 to the moooooon!


BTC - 18GABSizDLAeh91cysDFZgCL8xyjm4Sght

LTC - Leiefg1fQyaTqGVGRC5L1b1gBSWdDn2jpV


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: hilariousandco on December 21, 2013, 05:38:52 PM
There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself).


3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name
4. Signs posts with full name
8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female



Haha, these are usually true, but the 100% chance of being scammed isn't exactly accurate.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Jollyburner on December 23, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
why im not recieveing investors/?

limited time offer!!!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: PDcologne on December 27, 2013, 09:44:06 AM
Guys beware of a user named LALA scammed me out of litecoin last night.

He or she is trading for earthcoin mostly it seems. LALA seems to be fairly active on the forum also, but after running a check on the name I see I'm not the only one who has been caught out!

I should have been more careful and lesson learned.

 ::)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: hilariousandco on December 27, 2013, 10:32:31 AM
Guys beware of a user named LALA scammed me out of litecoin last night.

He or she is trading for earthcoin mostly it seems. LALA seems to be fairly active on the forum also, but after running a check on the name I see I'm not the only one who has been caught out!

I should have been more careful and lesson learned.

 ::)

Make sure to post in this users scammer thread with details/evidence: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386535.0


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: blockhead99 on December 30, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
Thanks for this, OP!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: meade16 on January 02, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
All Newbies should be pointed to this when they join.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: 23940103 on January 05, 2014, 12:52:05 AM
whats the best way to buy coins with USD?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: hostmaster on January 07, 2014, 12:31:45 PM
Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. This is my new motto thank you :) Forum sites generally full of danger not only newbies but also usual members.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Mesterlovesz74 on January 22, 2014, 11:36:19 PM
Never trust provided TXIDs on new altcoins without block explorer. Better just wait to see the coins in your wallet and fully confirmed. Some people try to send manufactured TXIDs/screenshots to "proof" they made a payment.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Mesterlovesz74 on January 22, 2014, 11:42:50 PM
Thank you for the info, I am new here and there is a bug in the forum! I logged in 10 minutes ago, this is my first post and it still says my last post was less then 360 sec ago!

How is it possible while I am only reading the forum????

Is this some kind of sick joke??


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: EasyD on January 29, 2014, 01:17:21 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info or www.cryptocoinexplorer.com to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.1 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of http://www.bitmit.net, www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.2 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after successful payments of 0.1 and 0.15 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chergeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.



http://www.bitmit.net:
Just post anything you want to sell for bitcoins or ask the seller to do the same about something you want to buy. The payment in bitcoins is sent to their escrow system. It's of no use for the buyer to lie about paying, because the page of the deal indicates automatically if the bitcoins were or weren't receive. If you are the seller and sent the goods to the buyer (for instance, another currency), once the buyer clicks item received, you receive the bitcoins from bitmit.net. If the buyer doesn't confirm that the goods were received, you write bitmit with evidence that you sent (like the transfer id) and they pay you fast. There is a 1.90% fee to pay.
http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/faq
You can also use http://btcrow.com, the fee is smaller: 1%.

Since this thread is a sticky, I decided to post this here. Any moderator or member feel free to move, copy or improve these rules at will.

Dude, wonderful post. I saw "someone" who shall go unnamed say that since they are a "trusted" member that if someone refuses to go first then they are a scammer. If you spend any amount of time on forums where people buy/trade expensive items its almost always the big trusted members that pull of the big scams.

I never ever go first on a trade, unless you're obviously "the man," but if I did it would be in small increments like you suggested. Great post, that should be stickied.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: xtester on February 01, 2014, 08:18:40 AM
Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460)

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480)

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: YeeYay on February 01, 2014, 08:25:28 AM
Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460)

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480)

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.msg4870113#msg4870113


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: fighter on February 17, 2014, 02:03:23 PM
Escrow, got it!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: testcoin on February 23, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
"Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER"

Wow What a Golden Rule!

Thanks for this warm reminder anyway.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: softron on March 03, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
Nice, really informative thread. Thanks


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Quicker_777 on March 16, 2014, 12:55:02 AM
Excellent warnings from experience. 


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: MissX3M on March 29, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
1. Always use escrow.
2. 2. Always use escrow.
3. 2. Always use escrow.

Just dodge a bullet two times. Tons of seller but when asking escrow they are all gone  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Lovely on May 10, 2014, 10:42:57 AM
Thanks for author,we should care for this thing.THANKS


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: keoyl on May 18, 2014, 09:39:36 AM
Thank you for the info and for the warnings. I want to trade some coins so I want to use escrow service as suggested. Please if you can post or send me a PM of some escrow services as currently know about 2 services and one is not online any more.

Thank you very much,
Ivan.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on May 19, 2014, 12:48:15 AM
Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
You also have escrow sites: http://btcrow.com (1.55%) or  https://mitm.io (free)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: tbearhere on August 04, 2014, 06:02:29 PM
And another thing to watch out for is, any exchange can lock your account at anytime they feel!  Richie Lai of Bittex or one of the staff,to the best of my knowledge, locked my account today. With a flip of a switch, so think about it ppl.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on August 22, 2014, 03:23:58 PM
If you think you were scammed, just open a thread about the issue on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0
If you are not shore if that was a scam, open a thread on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0
But you can always talk first with the exchange and threat to post about the issue if not solved.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: BIT-Sharon on August 28, 2014, 08:31:44 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time.
2) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of http://www.bitmit.net, www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.2 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after successful payments of 0.1 and 0.15 btcs.


Since this thread is a sticky, I decided to post this here. Any moderator or member feel free to move, copy or improve these rules at will.
What an evil world. I hate the scam. And thank U of your information to a noob like me.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Dexter44 on September 01, 2014, 04:01:46 PM
Good advice. Sometimes newbies are old wolves!  :o


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: throwingbones1 on October 15, 2014, 08:21:55 PM
Just got scammed by YeeYay of 0.15 btc.

I have posted proof here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.460)

and here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430648.480)

He is still denying it and lying but I have brought all the messages and transaction.

Please help me ban this scammer no other person needs to be left without money.


that's such a shame, i feel sorry for you mate, as a bitcointalk.org n00b i look foward to earning my 1st +trust point!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ngokiemtuan on March 04, 2015, 03:28:17 AM
 I agree that an escrow is always to be used.thank for imformation


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Bubbsandbubbs3 on March 25, 2015, 03:36:55 AM
Okden


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Gultahin on April 30, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
Thanks for the info, it's really good to get up those as quick as possible for newcomers here, so all those newbies post about being scammed can be over.. Anyway better safe than sorry


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: neochiny on July 25, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
hi im just a newbie too... how can i have business with other hero member or higher rank if almost all of them are ignoring us NEWBIES. accusing scammer or whatever.. isnt its just discriminating us?  :(


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on August 11, 2015, 03:09:36 AM
You will have to trust SOME of the older members with good reputation and go first. They will give you positive trust and eventually you will become a trusted member.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Nizam ibrahim.P.N on August 12, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
We should be more aware when dealing with  sellers,products.There are plendy of malpractices on different products in the society !! ;D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ph.amracyshop on August 31, 2015, 12:27:47 PM
Thank you very much for sharing this information. Thanks for the concern. This is certainly true and everyone should be more aware.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: pilscoop on September 24, 2015, 04:11:44 PM
Is there a list of the highest ranking trusted members to trade with?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on September 25, 2015, 12:12:23 AM
Check this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.0

However, usually, you can check the reputation of the member by clicking the link trust, under his avatar.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: rambhajan99 on September 26, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
so you mean any newbie person make deal with newbies it must be scam?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: uwichii on October 30, 2015, 05:33:53 AM
Another sign: when you are a reputable member like me, and when you ask the noob to send first and suddenly they stop replying to your PM. Scammer! Maybe I should start a list in the public interest?

Latest possible scammer(s):

- penetration -> confirmed scammer has scammed multiple people



EDIT: I have decided I will keep this list updated and maintained. (and of course remove people who later turn out not to be scammers - but if they are genuinely looking for a trade and have only about 100 posts why would they not send first to someone like me? Hopefully I can help everyone here)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on November 07, 2015, 03:27:49 PM
It makes more sense to create a scammers list on a new thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

But, probably, you should wait until you have some more activity.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Twinks1959 on December 10, 2015, 07:28:14 AM
Thanks for the information
what is escrow


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: humptycurrency on December 21, 2015, 05:58:13 PM
there are some people who are using your name with tomatocage1@hotmail.com and saying this email id is escrow, please tell people what's your actual email to use you as escrow


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trading on December 23, 2015, 04:09:40 PM
Thanks for the information
what is escrow

Escrow is using a trustworthy middle man, that will receive the thing for sale and the payment and send them to the other party, in order to avoid scams.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: grim007 on April 22, 2016, 05:04:31 AM
use yobit for trading alt coins. as simple as that


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Farhad shaikh on April 24, 2016, 07:20:33 AM
This Information is so useful. thank,s for that. But what happened if don,t trust anyone!!! You know? there someone you need to believe? ???


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: YRFCHIPOJNP on April 24, 2016, 09:20:48 PM
is there any bot database where can i find efficient bot for certain coin?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Dahhi on May 12, 2016, 07:59:34 PM



Simran, I agree. People are quite stereotypical around here.
Really pisses me off.
[/quote]



I quite agree with a lot of the things mentioned here. Scammers usually pose as females even when they are not, because they know people tend to see females as being incapable of harming... or something like that.


It's better to be safe than sorry :-\


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ibh98 on June 03, 2016, 05:51:42 AM
Thanks. Good information. But problem is too many fraud traders everywhere. So it is really difficult to find actual traders.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: G_Besar on December 01, 2016, 08:24:24 AM
Thanks for the information but I think you should explain it well enough for what you want to run in this project?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: NIGHTTURKEY on December 12, 2016, 05:01:06 AM
Thanks for the information


Who gets the information anyway ?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: u200811008 on February 14, 2017, 12:56:16 PM
  Studying,Thank you very much.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: m_daneshgah on February 17, 2017, 02:53:46 PM
thanks for  your answer


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: RESPECT46 on February 19, 2017, 09:34:07 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
thanks for inormation. The information is very helpful


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mel0924 on March 01, 2017, 07:23:09 AM
That good information, before getting into the business we must seek information and background regarding that business and try to know the person you are negotiating in order to avoid scammers. Or else you will cry!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ether19 on March 01, 2017, 07:49:35 AM
Scammers are learning and improvising every time when the come out with new schemes. You are simply responsible for yourself and take everything with a pinch of salt. There many accounts in bitcointalk that have legendary rank and have been here for more than 1 year, sold to scammers and then scammers use the same to scam innocent people. So just be careful.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: thymeow on March 02, 2017, 01:17:04 AM
Newbie here and this post is really helpful, i'm not familiar with the trust rating thingy tho?
Does it also indicate that people with high rating on trust are people we need to transact with. Also how do you even get that trust rating, i saw someone with -2, does that mean that he is a scammer?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Ntbltkt on March 03, 2017, 04:51:56 PM
Who make me have the bitcoin.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: BTCmax24 on March 06, 2017, 12:56:15 PM
Is there any board here in bitcointalk where we may found the general list of all scammers including their violations and punishment given by our organization? We need it to guide us all..like other government agencies they posted illegal company/recruitment agencies to avoid for doing any transactions? Please make a board for that which is easy to find. Thank you.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: sachinunchwal on March 17, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
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Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: triasel on March 19, 2017, 06:00:39 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
thanks for your information sir :)
i will read rule before :)


Title: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: nhieutien21 on April 20, 2017, 02:41:53 PM
Hello
i want to use escrow.
who can i meet ?

whatsapp: +447565760703
ICQ  643505558


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: cryptogeek101 on May 13, 2017, 11:28:08 AM
 Your information is good but some newbies are trustworthy


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: M Dian syahputra on May 20, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
There may be some newbie who became a scammer but I do not
This information really helps me to be more alert as a newbie thanks a lot


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: sherwinaze on May 26, 2017, 02:40:38 PM
thank you for the information you gave..
now i know how to be safe my money..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Topher12 on May 30, 2017, 02:32:10 AM
I Agree What I've Read , Thanks For The Informations About Trading ..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: lirene on May 31, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
Thanks for the information, it is very important to know the newcomers. Are there any other rules to protect yourself?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Text on May 31, 2017, 10:01:17 PM
Thanks for the information, it is very important to know the newcomers. Are there any other rules to protect yourself?
The only way to protect yourself is don't deal to a scammer, which do have a negative/red ratings... Also don't trust easily to the users you don't even really know. Always use well known and trusted escrow if needed. If you want to do it in a company or website better to ask here first.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: riwa18 on June 18, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
thanks for this information really helps me to be more alert


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Crypt0m0ney on June 19, 2017, 07:18:03 AM
More and more people is coming in this new world,
or is making a step foward to future....

this post should be a must for all new people that's coming in,
it's teachs also how really should be done the things

thanks for creating it


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: luckycoinn on June 24, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Very nice tips, but I am a newbie here, how to use escrow ? Choose an escrow services and make deal with escrow and seller ? I've been seen some signature campaign and saw a code, this code describe escrow message and address with a code like md5 code (dont know that) what is that code for ?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: MostHigh on June 26, 2017, 11:52:31 AM
What will happen if I decide to trade with a credible person without involving escrow.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: lateralus55 on June 28, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
Thank you for the tips! Would appreciate more info on the escrow :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: autoria on July 02, 2017, 12:49:05 PM
What is the best way to ensure we are interacting with a trustworthy member? Many users are offering to help us with services but we are not sure who is a reliable member.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: batang_bitcoin on July 04, 2017, 08:36:56 PM
What will happen if I decide to trade with a credible person without involving escrow.
If that person is credible and trusted, you can have successful deal with him but still it's always been advisable to deal with escrow.

What is the best way to ensure we are interacting with a trustworthy member? Many users are offering to help us with services but we are not sure who is a reliable member.

Good questions, there's a list of trusted escrow ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0)  and you are the one to choose of whom you want to ask. You can also see the trust rating of that guy and that will tell his worth as an escrow.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: lepbagong on July 05, 2017, 07:26:20 PM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

Thank you very much for the enlightenment that has been given, hopefully after reading this many who are not complacent with the persuasion that lead to bankruptcy itself


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Trnsmssn on July 05, 2017, 09:46:14 PM
Not all the newbie are scams, but even though I am a newbid I have to agree that you have to be cautious with newbids, thay have nothing to lose. But on the other hand thieves can build up their status and than jack you for your money.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Leickens on July 07, 2017, 06:16:15 PM

 ;DeWallets are good if you are on the go or dealing with pocket change. If you want to control your own security and be independant, you will need a Client. A Client is an application that manages your Wallet independently from third party software on your computer. With it, you become your own bank.
There are many Clients out there. The one developed by the core team is the Standard Client, also known as Bitcoin-QT. You can download it. After you start it, it will synchronise itself with the Bitcoin Network. It might be a long process and take up a couple gigabytes of your hard drive space, but this is the way to ensure nobody is trying to cheat.
Once that is done, the Client will control your Wallet file. Be sure to protect it with a password and back it up regularly. It is stored in a file called "wallet.dat" in your Bitcoin data directory. If you lose it or it gets stolen, you lose your money. ???


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: leirou on July 08, 2017, 12:14:01 AM
Thanks for the information on how to prevent being scammed. And guess some status will be a good indicator for this.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: XOOMBOX on July 08, 2017, 09:14:50 AM
Thank you for giving us tips and information. Be cautious everyone.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ImGenius on July 10, 2017, 08:22:54 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

Thank you very much for the enlightenment that has been given, hopefully after reading this many who are not complacent with the persuasion that lead to bankruptcy itself

Well said sir. Thank you for giving this kind of info sor. Well appreciated.



Not all the newbie are scams, but even though I am a newbid I have to agree that you have to be cautious with newbids, thay have nothing to lose. But on the other hand thieves can build up their status and than jack you for your money.

What will happen after that sir? atleast now I have an idea. Thank you for that sir.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: chillcott on July 12, 2017, 05:49:05 AM
thanks for this information. it help a lot of people.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Guerrix on July 12, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
Thx for this VALUABLE information.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: shishir khan on July 12, 2017, 06:53:38 PM
Thank you for awarning


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Abiel on July 13, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
Thank you very much for the enlightenment that has been given, hopefully after reading this many who are not complacent with the persuasion that lead to bankruptcy itself


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ICO_Estate_Coin on July 13, 2017, 02:15:22 PM
Very useful and necessary information. Thank you.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: watemp on July 13, 2017, 02:37:02 PM
Valuable information, especially for the beginner.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: kr-sama2 on July 15, 2017, 08:27:42 AM
Can I ask whats the meaning of "escrow"? Thank you


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: cryptonoobie on July 15, 2017, 11:28:56 PM
thank you for all the info,its very enlightening to say the least.ive been very scepticle about these kinds of trades.if you value your money just do a little research.the info is out there for all to educate themselves,you just have to put the time in.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Shajid Hossain Biplob on July 16, 2017, 01:39:44 AM
Its very useful information so be aware about of this.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: summonerrk on July 18, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
And NEBER do not open links from letter at your email box. Example link with MyEtherWallet.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Shajid Hossain Biplob on July 19, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
Good information.

Thanks for useful information.
Good luck for us!







Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Eth-Jackcoin on July 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
i can't thank you enough - the information is really worth it.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: deddod01 on July 21, 2017, 04:00:18 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

I'm a Newbie;
1. thank you for the information
2. I will be careful if doing business on the internet.
3. Please advise if there are any ads, people, or other scamer stuff especially at bitcointalk.org


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: unisilver on July 21, 2017, 07:30:49 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
i can't thank you enough - the information is really worth it.

The information is really clear for us to understand well. I'll just take note of this information for me to be able to be more vigilant in any transaction that has to be taken.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: abdullahtahsin420 on July 21, 2017, 05:00:51 PM
Many many thanks for the information :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mentoringsc on July 21, 2017, 05:05:04 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

Perfeito, obrigado!  ;)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mdnajir on July 21, 2017, 08:17:00 PM
Thanks for information.  :P


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: leviathon on July 22, 2017, 07:07:46 AM
I'm a newbie, Thanks for this post!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: abdullahtahsin420 on July 22, 2017, 08:46:44 AM
Thanks for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Genamant on July 23, 2017, 10:27:48 AM
What is the best way to ensure we are interacting with a trustworthy member? Many users are offering to help us with services but we are not sure who is a reliable member.

Good question, I'm following this too. How can new members distinguish the scammers and the real ones.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Petchy on July 23, 2017, 10:03:06 PM
I found it all a bit overwhelming when first started but now find it easier than bank transfers i hope that cryptocurrency is going to be our future money and the banks are wiped out :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ALWASA on July 24, 2017, 05:44:32 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.
2) Never deal with anyone without doing a search in the forum with his nickname, in order to check if he has scam accusations.
3) Ask for his coin address and always search it on http://blockchain.info, www.cryptocoinexplorer.com or other similar site, to verify if his address has the amounts he wants to sell.
4) Be very suspicious about proposals well under market price or if he accepts your proposal under market price with no negotiation.
5) Look for the reputation/trust of the member, checking also his successful trades, in the form of vouches from the other party on the deal. Be aware that positive trust can be forged by making and using more bitcointalk accounts and the trust system can be more or less avoided by changing its settings.
6) Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.
7) If he has no reputation (specially if he is a newbie or Jr.), even small tranches are very risky. Better use an escrow system, like the one of www.btcrow.com, or a trusted member, or you might need to send more than 10 very small tranches. Think well before sending more than 0.15 btcs (it's considerable money in some countries) and only after 3 or 4 successful payments of 0.05 and 0.1 btcs.
8] For big amounts use an escrow system, unless the member has an excellent reputation. If he doesn't accept, forget the deal. Always protect your capital.
9) Only trade codes (ex. of virtual gift cards) with members with a very good reputation or using a very trusted escrow member that will have to go to the account and apply the code himself. The buyer will have to give the escrow person his password and change it again after. With an automatic escrow system, the buyer can claim falsely that the code was already redeemed when he received it or that his account was blocked after.
10) Don't sell any cryptocoin to paypal or other reversible system, unless the buyer has good reputation. The buyer can chargeback and, since it's against paypal's TOS to trade currency, paypal usually gives your money back to the buyer.


Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
i can't thank you enough - the information is really worth it.

The information is really clear for us to understand well. I'll just take note of this information for me to be able to be more vigilant in any transaction that has to be taken.

Thank you for the these boss, Im very happy atleast I have an idea to those who just scam you because Im also a victim of it.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Black_bl on July 24, 2017, 10:45:32 AM
1) Don't just trust the status of a member, anyone can be a hero member. This just means that he invested some time on his membership. He can always decide that a profitable scam will be a good payment for his time. However, a Hero account without negative feedback can be sold for more than 0.5 btcs. Therefore, he probably won't scam you for less than that, because a negative feedback from you would lower its value substantially.



Here is a list of escrow members: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

Hi,
This is an interesting paragraph. Is there any thread about this topic somewhere?
On the other hand, each one starts. So it probably is not the best idea to manage only the rank of a given member


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Jenn09 on July 25, 2017, 10:07:51 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

Thanks for this nice information sir, i will always remind this especially I'm new in this kind of industry & scammer is all around and looking for someone to be victimize. I agree that we should be vigilant & always read to be inform which is good to everyone of us.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Iccang161096 on July 25, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
Very useful informatio n, thank you sensei :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: cryptoisdafuture on July 26, 2017, 05:58:42 PM
Thanks a lot for the information. Will try to keep an eye out for scammers. One more heuristic I use is seeing the founding team, whether they have linked their actual profiles to LinkedIn etc. so we can see their history. And also how many of the members of the team have a development background. If none, it's most likely a hustle. If everyone is a dev, then probably they wouldn't be sell their product so a bad investment regardless. Best is a mixture of both.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ALWASA on July 27, 2017, 08:57:10 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

Perfeito, obrigado!  ;)

Many thanks to this sir, its really important to have escrow in a campaign to be more secure in everything.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: unisilver on July 28, 2017, 04:35:19 AM
I found it all a bit overwhelming when first started but now find it easier than bank transfers i hope that cryptocurrency is going to be our future money and the banks are wiped out :)

How it will be done? I dont have really an idea how to really use cryltocurrenct. I really wanna know because most of you find it more easier to use.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Daniwahyu007 on July 30, 2017, 06:41:23 PM
Thanks for the information, very useful!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ALWASA on July 31, 2017, 04:50:50 AM
Thanks for the information, very useful!

Yes thank you for this boss it help us a lot for us to know who is the scammer is, Because of this we need to be vigilant in all things. Thanks.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Lucasgabd on August 05, 2017, 08:55:25 PM
in Brazilian P2P market is also really common to get documents of the people who you are negotiating with
and ask for recommendations (other people they negotiated before)
if you want to avoid exchanges and buyon the p2p.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Hayns on August 07, 2017, 05:45:44 AM
Thanks for the advice ... helps a lot ..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: aimer1488 on August 08, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
Quite useful information, very useful for new users of the forum


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: reformed trader on August 10, 2017, 11:34:21 PM
I have a question, that maybe you could answer. I come from the world of penny stocks where the norm was the pump and dump. In Crypto , aside from the promoters owning stock, how else do they make money? Are they charging for the pumps,?  Are group members paying for the info?


Are the companies paying for the promotions?


Thank you in advance?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Verner_Kamal on August 14, 2017, 06:29:44 PM
Thanks for the post.  As someone getting started it's helpful to find that the community here is keeping a watchful eye out for these kinds of things!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: amktt on August 17, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
Good to know about scammers thanks!

wow this thread is really helpfull


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: owengtam09 on August 21, 2017, 06:40:25 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
Even if a hero member can also be a scammer, don't trust anyone unless you know them already, and they are already familiar with you, but there are instance that an account can be hack by hackers and use it to scam people. That is also dangerous. Let's all be careful for what we are doing first and think twice before doing a business with one another.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Cymatoxa on September 02, 2017, 05:30:35 AM
In most cases, it turns out that it's better not to deal with friends or novices with business. At first everything goes well but then the quarrels begin and the relations are clarified and the money is to blame for all this. With friends you need to be friends and work and business with friends is not compatible.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: EliJoshi on September 11, 2017, 03:32:33 PM
good informations.
nice and usefull list, many thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: asahi on September 11, 2017, 10:15:36 PM
Thank you for this additional knowledge, I've learned something new again tonight.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: bountyhunter1313 on September 17, 2017, 01:03:53 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
Very important thing imo. Scammers are increasing insanely with time.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: automail on September 18, 2017, 11:01:58 PM
Never trust provided TXIDs on new altcoins without block explorer. Better just wait to see the coins in your wallet and fully confirmed. Some people try to send manufactured TXIDs/screenshots to "proof" they made a payment.

Thanks for the tip. I will definitely remember this one by the time I have become a veteran on bitcoin.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: TokenDesk on September 20, 2017, 11:58:44 AM
We are newbie, but we disagree with this. We often have questions such as :
How can you be trustworthy enough as a new platform for all potential ICO participants, who may be afraid to send their money to a 3rd party and not directly to the ICOs they would be interested in? There were so many scams recently with fraudsters hijacking the ICO participation addresses, so people may simply believe this is one of them.
1. TokenDesk founders are well known entrepreneurs, marketing specialists and developers. There are no reasons why you couldn’t make your own background check on every each of them as all information is public. Also, we encourage you to contact them personally if you feel like it.
2. our token has been audited by www.avocad.lt - a well respected law firm, a part of CICERO - league of international lawyers. They have performed a HOWEY test on TDS token which resulted in absolute approval stating - TDS not being any kind of financial security.
3.  after the initial coin offering will end, our TDS token will be listed on widely trusted and well known token exchange platforms - Kraken, BittFinext and Bitrex.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: DonMine on September 20, 2017, 11:52:58 PM
Seriously? You gonna mark "newbies" with the "scammer"-flag before we even get a chance?? As if "pros" are more trustable, right? WTF, just cause i am new on this site, doesn't mean i didn't trade in crypto's before.. Seriously, bad habit.. I like that you warn people about scammers, but that's it - this post seem more like a way to keep all the customers to yourselves, so "newbies" don't stand a chance.. Hmm, pathetic... I ain't trading anything without showing my identity and getting the buyer/sellers identity too, that includes everything (if you got a little skill and knowledge in code-language etc.) - don't stamp down the "newbies" just cause you are too greedy yourself..  ??? >:( >:(


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Yudha Prawira on September 21, 2017, 09:59:06 AM
thanks for nice thread


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: melika on September 22, 2017, 03:41:26 AM
thanks for your information. this is what I want ;)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: nick_2017 on September 23, 2017, 11:49:23 AM
Thank you for information. One newbie proposed me Hero account which costs 0.03Btc.  I guess that he wants to deceive me because another man who has Hero accaunt sells it by 0.5btc.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Marcboy123 on September 29, 2017, 08:36:46 AM
i join this discord they helping me in trading https://discord.gg/3rpnTZc they call out nice signal when to buy and the to sell.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: codpku on September 30, 2017, 12:12:28 AM
Thank you for the advice bro
For newbie like me i have to read all the information like this


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: eodchop on October 05, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
really nice information.
what bounties can seem reliable?
can I use my ether wallet and share it with my friend, who takes part in other bounty?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: xsaidx on October 07, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
thank you for advise /
iam new , and i want just to know how traders know wen the coin "up" or "down"..... time to buy and sell any coin ... etc?
please help me .
thank you  <3


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: royce666 on October 17, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
world of crypto is rough !! ???


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ELOCIN on October 25, 2017, 12:26:41 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

how to do this using escrow? and what does it mean?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: genesis53 on October 27, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Thank you very much for the information.
I'm interested and planning to buy and trade bitcoin and other altcoin and as a newbie, I still don't  know where and how to start, I still studying the trading system and all the pieces of information and warnings here will be a great help. And yes you have to be wise and careful dealing with people you don't know as the experts would always say the internet is full of scams.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mnrox on October 27, 2017, 12:28:16 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
Can I have a detailed guide of how create escrow from Electrum


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: degraff on October 27, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
Can I have a detailed guide of how create escrow from Electrum

Please provide if possible instructions for Electrum escrow, thank you in advance


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Hamsam03 on October 30, 2017, 06:56:15 AM
Your exactly right ..as a newbie better to ask question for the Sr. member, full member and legendary member cause of they know the information and have a knowledge about this  ...hope gaining knowlegde here.. thanks a lot for this thread.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mahendraadipermana on October 31, 2017, 06:19:34 PM
Thank you for the information
 :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Phillip_Olamide on November 05, 2017, 06:05:07 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:


1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

I totally agree. Most scams I've fallen for were with newbies.

2. Always use escrow.

The party performing the escrow must be trusted too.

3. See rule #2.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Clauxx on November 06, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
Everyone just have to be extra. cautious. The infos are very good ones. Keep it up guys, let's create a save and healthy environment for our cryptocurrency trading.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Angi on November 06, 2017, 01:22:34 PM
Yes its better read first before we  delivered our information especially in this kind of business.Bitcoin  is not like an easy conversation its talk about future progress in our country .


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: grandmasters2 on November 06, 2017, 02:25:59 PM
Has anyone ever bought any coins with escrow? With a 3rd party


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Adil Amim on November 06, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
Its a very helpful information for All.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mb808 on November 07, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
How do I use an escrow?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ericka123 on November 09, 2017, 02:56:56 PM
we should have also updated list of scammer..
its better to transact people with high ranking. its so easy to make another new account to scam.. so always transact to the veteran one


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: darasinmi4show on November 10, 2017, 02:21:08 PM
Etherdelther is one of the great place you can sell and buy.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: darasinmi4show on November 10, 2017, 06:56:12 PM
Sell in a save so that you we not lose money.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: TianaStam on November 11, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
This information is really helpful. I am brand new here and have got tans of information and suggestions already. But I plan to trust only to those who have positive trust only. I hope that will stay me safe.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: darasinmi4show on November 12, 2017, 07:38:05 AM
Etherdelta link to sell my bln5 and piggy.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Jarixx on November 14, 2017, 03:22:43 PM
Thanks man. I almost got burned.
New guys definitely should watch out, there are to many scams.
If you still want to invest use small amounts of money first.
Be vise.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Zeck lee on November 15, 2017, 01:26:40 PM
Saya pemula untuk hal ini dan saya akan belajar lebih memahami dan mengacu untuk titik awal kesuksesan saya


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: dlastdon on November 15, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
thanks for guiding us!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: husnanparebok on November 18, 2017, 02:47:31 AM
Saya pemula untuk hal ini dan saya akan belajar lebih memahami dan mengacu untuk titik awal kesuksesan saya


Please use English. This is english thread.
I'm newbie here, still learning english...
Thaks...


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: JumPerz09 on November 20, 2017, 04:34:16 AM
saw this post thanks for the info..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: jonny6767 on November 21, 2017, 01:03:55 AM
thanks for posting this
its really help full for me like newbie.
thank you


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: eugenefonts on November 21, 2017, 12:20:14 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

What escrow means??


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: SimontheRavager on November 21, 2017, 06:22:49 PM
And also be very aware of all these technical analysis scams and videos on youtube. TA is very hard to learn and understand and way harder to trade.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Dharnchuks on November 22, 2017, 08:04:23 PM
Thank you very much for this info. Really helpful.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: slavasan on November 24, 2017, 12:22:15 PM
Thanks for the info!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Alexx11 on November 28, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
be careful everyone!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: profit-shooter on November 28, 2017, 08:19:42 AM
I think this is quiete reasonalbe. When I was starting online business, I have spent some time to find the right experienced people who were willing to share experience. I think that this is one of the main key to success in online investement!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Metazen on November 28, 2017, 04:15:32 PM
İmportant subject. Thanks. I think small amount trading must be with Legendary , Hero , Sr. member ..or veteran member. But big amount trade use escrow.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: crypt_4_life on November 30, 2017, 01:10:52 PM
Thanks for information :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Criptomen@30 on November 30, 2017, 08:11:06 PM
How do you spot a scam


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: CodyAlfaridzi on November 30, 2017, 09:53:35 PM
How do you spot a scam

Well, sometimes it's not easy to spot a scam. The main rule of thumb is: if it's too good to be true, it's probably a scam.

Before doing any trade, or sending money to any party, do some research on them. Check their reputation, see their trust feedback if you're going to trade with another Bitcointalk member or search their name on Google. For a safer transaction, always use escrow as OP said and never ever send money to an unknown stranger on the internet, even if their offer is really good.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Criptomen@30 on November 30, 2017, 11:21:00 PM
Thank you for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: 12tribes on December 01, 2017, 12:11:55 PM
Thanks for the information. It is indeed timely and useful.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: erikaoliveira871 on December 01, 2017, 12:49:58 PM

I am new here as these transactions are made and why I would like to learn a little more information very useful here and I have found however very careful and little thank you very much    ???


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: onmanana on December 03, 2017, 01:38:05 PM
I see many people complain about being scammed while trading. These are new members. They do not know how to prevent. Insurance should be needed


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: 4better on December 05, 2017, 12:11:05 AM
Thank you for the great tips. Serve as guidelines especially for the newbies.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mafia15 on December 05, 2017, 04:34:59 AM
Yes of course must do always research.. if u are newbie in trading ..
If u are newbie youtube tutorial helps.. and google helps.. if you are eager then research first and see tutorials for trading..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: mojn on December 05, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
any advise how to trade please ?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: javeedmeera on December 06, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
excellent information i get. before i get scammed. thanks for your valuable information.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Leetukyang on December 06, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

Im glad there's a thread like this in the forum , a guideline for everybody who wanted to enter the trading industry .
We know now that there are many scammers here in the forum , they are trying to make friend with you and eventually steal your accounts or money.
We need to become aware of this. Thank you sir for this ! I really appreciate this. :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: SJBPEEP on December 07, 2017, 03:23:12 AM
Thanks for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: SJBPEEP on December 07, 2017, 09:15:35 AM
Beware of new friends offering low price than the trading price like bitcoins....It's better to make a video call, an escrow that you can trust...be vigilant cause scammer is everywhere....


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: hackl3r on December 08, 2017, 12:44:23 AM
I'm done, i bought iota when it was in its highest price, 5.70 usd, i used BTC and now to get back the same BTC, iota needs to arrive 8.5 usd, yisus!!!!!

pd:i used 0.118 BTC


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
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Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: padalaanjaneya17 on December 08, 2017, 06:31:15 PM
thanks for the info dev...it is very helpful


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: LegionCoin on December 11, 2017, 01:39:56 PM
i agree with you about that


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: pavelkor on December 13, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Good advice for noob, i used an escrow too, when i was younger, so it is a smart way, because first time you shoudnt risk with it.
alos lately i hear many stories about guyz that was scammed because they wanted some btc but ofcourse without any information lost their money


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Math1eew on December 17, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
I am new here, thanks for information  :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: bitlyra on December 19, 2017, 06:14:27 AM
Yes there are lot of scammers in bitcoin forum today and this is really a great information to me because I am also a newbie and I am so grateful to you for making this thread for us. This is really a help. 


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: cetel on December 19, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
Commit mistakes, without them, how? But thanks for the warning.It would be good if people learn through the mistakes of others


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: midnightjournal on December 19, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

I have too many things to learn.. This is my first lesson.. Thank you..


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: CryptonikaTrade on December 20, 2017, 11:32:38 AM
I guess escrow should be use in any case independently of rank


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: smartsan on December 21, 2017, 05:01:17 PM
hello,
your information is more helpful.can you please help in trading by suggesting the best traders? 


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: javerzky on December 26, 2017, 05:20:09 AM
thanks for the information about the escrow thing..
im a newbie and it really help me a lot, this will be my reminder


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Isaremj3 on December 26, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
How do I know better or good token to buy.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Crypshu on December 27, 2017, 02:52:29 PM
Hello BCT members,

I'm new to this but very interst in digital crypto currency, Thanks you so much for spending your time to share these information with us. This is really important news for us.
Looking for ward to work witnh you in Future.

Have a great day,

Thanks


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: len23 on December 28, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Thanks for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Rowland Okoli on December 28, 2017, 11:12:35 PM
The situation and the modalities to curb such issues doesn't come in a 'one size fits all'.
I'm new here but not new to so many platforms


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Oliver Mandy on December 29, 2017, 05:51:31 AM
Thank you for your information. I'm a newbie so this is useful for me.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Neurocrypt on December 29, 2017, 08:31:04 PM
Good to be here atleast I will get something to learn


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: skate on December 30, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
BtC is not ready yet little consolidation for the moment.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: SaoAccel on December 31, 2017, 01:28:04 AM
This is a great information for us people that are new and that wants to engage in bitcoin without proper knowledge. This is a great help thanks :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Ompyon on December 31, 2017, 03:47:39 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
This information is very interesting, should beginners must always cooperate with seniors who have a lot of experience,
and to avoid scammers, choose a reputable escrow


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: sajeebur rahaman on January 01, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
Thank you very much.To warn us of new initiatives like :) :)


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Vlad66 on January 01, 2018, 04:03:41 PM
Yobit this is the growing stock exchange crypto currency .


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: asahi on January 01, 2018, 11:28:16 PM
I was near to be scam before with other newbie who are advertising and getting their victims through personal message. Thanks for this reminder and I have read it.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: jhean_arcane on January 03, 2018, 12:08:01 AM
1.000.000 bitcoins needed to build spacecraft.
will send them back with interest when i reach  planet Nibiru

Donations Accepted : 1KeS7fsryzCb1LkrVWscWaug5rqhvFAwuR



I laughed at this. You need an escrow, btw, based on the earlier posts.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Malderr on January 04, 2018, 03:35:53 AM
Hi everyone,
Who can help and advise where can I  buy altcoins and use fiat/visa?

Thank you in advance


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: yomarve on January 04, 2018, 09:33:50 AM
Wow!  This never occurred to me.. I would be looking at these factors of I wanna trade with any one...
But I do think whether a newbie or an old timer here... It doesn't matter... What matters is identifying trust in both parties and executing a trade.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: yomarve on January 04, 2018, 09:40:38 AM
Hi everyone,
Who can help and advise where can I  buy altcoins and use fiat/visa?

Thank you in advance

You can get Luno app from Google Play then buy with your visa or MasterCard then transfer to your exchange to buy your altcoins


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Azurite on January 04, 2018, 02:05:03 PM
hi guy how to be going to ricking with ICO ? u will help me?


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: BigJJ on January 04, 2018, 05:54:07 PM
next pump coming soon https://discord.gg/bfUPAKR


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: smartsan on January 06, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
yes bro,
The information is more important before buying any cryptos in the market....
Newbie should be very caution while buying and trading....


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Mark12115 on January 07, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
true!


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: jomz312 on January 08, 2018, 11:36:15 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.
thank you so much sir tom for your very important information as a newbie like me I'm glad to know this information.
Thank you so much Sir and god bless.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: TheCryptoChaser on January 09, 2018, 01:14:08 AM
Thanks for awaring us. Excellent information and advice. !


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: popoyuyun on January 09, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
Thank you for this information, you help me before i start trading or buying some coins


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Sid3d on January 10, 2018, 12:48:21 AM
I agree that you always need to be cautious about newcomers who offer to participate in a business project. Invest in such projects are all the same, that just throw the money in the garbage can.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: creditjackstay on January 11, 2018, 02:03:20 PM
Always make sure that the person you are doing business online is reliable and has the credibility. Do your research beforehand so that you are knowledgeable.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: liamnorthcoins on January 12, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
I disagree with a few of the points.

0. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's a 100% chance that you will get scammed (or you're a scammer yourself). I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.

100%? NEVER? I trade with newbies all the time. This is a ridiculous stereotype of members here. This is just retarded.

1. New account (usually created within the last 3 months, plus or minus)

No, this correlated with my response to 0.

3. Use of a seemingly realistic first/last name as their forum account name

Look at my name. My username is my First name. Have I ever scammed anyone? No. I use a combination of my First and Last name on some forums. Ridiculous.

4. Signs posts with full name

--Simran Singh

8. Any user blatantly claiming to be female

Oh, yeah, cause females don't exist on the internet. Sexist? Probably not, but this is not true.

scammer will do a lot of thing to get money from you, anyone could be a scammer in this kind of business and trust has a big role on this. so be aware of  all your transactions guys...


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: olga343 on January 12, 2018, 06:35:37 PM
Спасибо за информацию


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: olga343 on January 12, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
Спасибо за советы и информацию


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: ShivaGanesh on January 13, 2018, 12:34:37 PM
Some business tips for india would be highly appreciated. Buy/sell oppurtunities


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Peng Zheng on January 13, 2018, 03:52:38 PM
Thank you very much for that.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Shrihari on January 13, 2018, 08:29:29 PM
very good post !
thanks man


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Kilomans on January 14, 2018, 07:45:11 AM
Scammers are learning and improvising every time when the come out with new schemes. You are simply responsible for yourself and take everything with a pinch of salt. There many accounts in bitcointalk that have legendary rank and have been here for more than 1 year, sold to scammers and then scammers use the same to scam innocent people. So just be careful.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: HunterM on January 14, 2018, 11:04:46 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

These are excellent rules that will help beginners to save their money from scammers. I myself have always adhered to these rules. You never need to have business with newcomers, there are a lot of people with a good reputation who take care of it. Thanks for such simple and effective advice


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: return628 on January 15, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
Thanks for your Subject 


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Kilomans on January 16, 2018, 06:12:21 AM
Even if he has some reputation, never send all the money in one transfer: send one first small tranche (ex. 0.05 btc) and wait for his payment. Send a second little higher tranche and wait again, etc. Small increments, because he might decide to pay you the first and second, to scam a bigger tranche. Always suspect if he doesn't accept to trade in small tranches, unless he has an excellent reputation.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: dorispray on January 16, 2018, 06:23:07 AM
Alright, so I've been PM'd by a few people what red-flags to look out for since I have a pretty good track record of spotting scammers. Sometimes I get it wrong, but better safe than sorry.  Here's a couple rules to follow to avoid becoming a victim:

1. Newbies, NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH OTHER NEWBIES, EVER. There are plenty of veteran members to do business with and ALWAYS use escrow. If you're a newbie and you're doing business with another newbie, there's nearly a 100% chance that one of the parties is a scammer. I can not stress this enough.. just work with people who have been here at least a year.
2. Always use escrow.
3. See rule #2.

Thanks for this information, it really helps.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: Natira on January 18, 2018, 08:02:23 AM
thank you very much, sir! hope to learn more.


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: shukhrat on January 18, 2018, 08:41:08 AM
Hello. Which is the best way to crypto for fiat?
Thanks


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: BTCRamp on January 18, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
thank you for the information


Title: Re: Be safe: READ THIS BEFORE TRADING/BUYING/USING YOUR MONEY
Post by: shukhrat on January 18, 2018, 10:05:31 AM
Very useful post. Thank you