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FOR US ASSEMBLY PLEASE SEE - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0


You pay only the deposit now, the rest when boards are complete
Please read the sites t&c's
http://www.evilminers.net


Any queries, concerns etc, please post, I will answer quickly

Proposed things to come on the site :-
Expanding to include k1 and k64 (after batch 1)
Expanding to include ArdulonMiner Shield (sample chip being sent to developer)
Expanding to include complete boards (inc chips) (when I can get a local supply)
Expanding to allow payments via chips (board price drops with chip donation) (after batch 1)


UPDATE - 17 June
Well logo failed to arrive....but im opening the site up
http://www.evilminers.net

UPDATE - 13 June
Ok Im setting up a website for the ordering process...
I need 100 boards min for first run.

Im going to be doing this with paypal, and im not taking full payment UNTIL boards are built.
Im going to say the boards will cost 60£, so ill be asking for 6£/board as a deposit.
This deposit will be non refundable, and will go to tooling and buying in the heatsinks

This is not the final price...but its close I feel...
So stand by for next update, announcing site :D

UPDATE - 11 June
Got another quote, again ex vat, ex heatsink, ex p&p

NON-RECURRING :
PCB Tooling                              180
SMT Screen                              220
Pick & Place Program                 188.64

Recurring
Setup and de-kit per run          238.35


10   x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           66.12 ea
100 x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           37.36 ea
200 x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           34.69 ea

 

UPDATE - 5 June
I have a decent quote at last..
Tooling 520gbp

boards - 1  - 168.50 ea
             10 - 59.49 ea
             100 - 43.20 ea

These are in gbp, not inc vat...and of course is subject to change, this does include all parts, but not the heatsink or the asic chips (obviously)

As the price of the boards is lower on the first 100, I suggest the tooling costs etc will be balanced into the costs, meaning the boards will be priced at the following :-
71.39 gbp (inc vat) + heatsink price + postage price
this equals 109.63 usd or 83.74 euro

The boards do need a firmware flashing, but I will sort this as part of my profits, and as stated a % of these profits will goto bkk for the design.

I have requests for quotes out for the heatsinks too ;)


UPDATE - 4 June
Arrow technical is out, too expnsive....

850 gbp tooling, then around 200gbp a board

UPDATE - 3 June
Icon wont do a run of anything less than a batch of 50 boards....
Im getting a quote from them for these runs, but after initial run, I doubt I can use them long term.

Ive rang another today, called Anode, and have another 3 requests outstanding....
There is one left out atm, so still got wiggle room, within my area :D

Ive also contacted 2 more, slightly further afield but close to were I work rather than were I live :D


UPDATE - 31 May
Well good news bad news.....
GSPK and a few others have declined production, due to not having a pick n place machine able to do 0402 components, meaning over 200 parts would have to be hand placed...
GSPK hope they will have the ability in a few months, but cant quote on the board or the lead time for the machine.....
but
They have passed on the info to another local company, that I didnt know about, called icon, who do have an 0402 capable pick n place...
Ill also be ringing up a few other places around me today, Im just going a little further out for delivery, but this wont affect you guys :D
Im still working on this, and still have good hopes that everything will come off ok...

now onto the good news...
bkk has said in his klondike thread (for those not following it) that a k16 will be able to be under populated, as long as chips are in even numbers...
This means a k16 can be used for anything from 2 chips up, so you guys can get your spare chips mounted and hashing...
I feel there is an opportunity here to add chips at a later date, ie send board and chips back in, reflow the chips in place, send back....allowing for greater flexibility in expansion later.

Ill post more when I have more info

UPDATE - 24 May
Chasing down quotes...sadly due to personal circumstances progress got delayed
The quote at gspk has been handed off to gspk design, this also means I maybe be able to get solder mask from them, if I decide to bring this in house at a later date.

UPDATE - 15 May
Been onto another company (quick-teck) for pcb and assembly price...

This breaks down roughly to -
46.45£ (assembly) + 20£ pcb and parts meaning around 65£ each

or 76.48Euro
or 98.96usd

Bear in mind this is purely ball park figures atm

Some ppl have not said how many boards or chip their getting, so their not included in the number.
This currently represents 1216+ chips

This number is of course tentative, and subject to change


During the 24Hr test phase Ill also be setting a % of btc from this to goto BKK for developing the board, this is as a thankyou from us to him :D

What about invoicing, VAT and using my own shipping account, for ex. ?

I can issue invoices.

Prices will include the vat, as Im not vat registered atm.
I can supply copies of gspk invoices if required for your board production.

You may use your own shipping if you wish

Interested

Where are you located? I would like to add you to my dev-list (see my sig) but need a bit data. Let me know once you have the prices. Though i will watch this thread from now.

do you work together with someone selling chips to ?

not currently...

I suspect when chips are actually released, someone will be selling them in smaller numbers, but atm, can only get from the batch orders....
There is a batch buy on atm, if you havnt got chips yet

Interested in this but sadly unless someone does have the chips easily in the UK then I'm kind of screwed

Interested, although ditto above

join the group buy :-
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0;topicseen

I suspect some have bought many chips to resell at profit in smaller batches...

I agree someone needs to do UK finished boards! Seems so odd buying components and sending them off to be affixed to boards - you could make more of a markup and have wayyyyy more customers if you just got some chips! Less responsibility with collecting them in the post, keeping track of who's is who's etc.

I thought about it, and tbh if I had the spare gbp I poss would, but I dont....
You need upfront capital to invest in getting complete boards to market....


but then if I had the spare gbp, id setup my own pcb assembly line..

Potentially interested - I'm still researching this and not up to speed on the specifics, but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right? Or would there be something else that needs doing before they are mine-able?
Where are you located by the way? I'm 30 minutes NW of Birmingham.

Well you need a computer to connect the board to I believe unless I'm wrong

Afro25, I'd take the time to swot up more on the specifics, because aside a computer to link them to (or a rasberry pi, running a lightweight Linux as quite a few probably will) and of course your chosen means of cooling and how you intend to house the boards, especially if you own pets with loose hair and static. There's also going to be a fair amount of tinkering with mining software and not a huge amount of support when/if hardware fails until people have worked through complications as and when they arise first hand. Such is to be expected with anything DIY, let alone emerging tech and DIY...

bitcoinorama is correct, there are other bits n bats to think about, but as far as the boards go

to answer that :-
You will need to sort software, and housing for the boards
You will need to sort heat sink and fans for the boards (ill be looking into supplying them)
You will need to sort a PSU for the boards
You will need a USB lead

but this is similar to how fpga boards arrive....no fan, no case, no psu...and I see these as just an extension of these

It's a shame no one made a kind of medium sized board that would  have wholes for a PCI back plate so you can basically get a load of them and place them in typical ATX case at the same time probably just building in a cheap atom motherboard for managing them probably about as low powered as you'll get without having more unreliable builds anyways

Hey.
Where are you based? And what country would I have to send the chips to?
If in the Uk, where in the UK?

I'm hazarding a guess as his sig. states; "Yorkshire man....nuff said", that he's based in...

+1 LOL  ;D

PS : i know evilscoop for some time, great guy, helped me a LOT

Oops, thats embarrassing. :-X Kind of missed that.

north yorkshire...between york and leeds... near wetherby

yes its under my avatar....but doesnt harm to ask :D

and cheer rammy ;)

You could always ask for a custom PCB with a bit more area to cut a PCI-like bit.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192860.0  -   Maybe helpful

Sh*t, now I'm thinking of Yorkshire pudding. Got to try me on of those...someday...

;D

funny im thinking of black pudding :D

erm it maybe....but im on that list lol

Gee thanks! Now I'll probably have to sleepwalk-raid the fridge!

;D

ha im up all night tonight.....
mmm black pudding, bacon....fried bread......full breakfast......cuppa......
damn it

You are going to be alive long enough to see this project through, right?? ;D

The update on the potential prices is very, very appealing

hoping for more updates next week...I have a week off work to sort this :D

Are the prices in first post for K16 or K64?

just thought i'd show my interest. looking forward to the progress  ;D

k16

a k64 is just 4 k16's in klego mode but board is 1 piece, if that makes sence

Ok, ill take the prices into the list in my sig for now. So that some numbers are there...

I believe you wrote you will use the klondikes... till now i thought you will buy complete sets from bkkcoins. But now it looks like you will use the blueprint, let the pcbs print and let it assemble. Is this right?

yeah, unless I see a better way...

I think getting the boards printed in uk as well will save on customs etc this side, rather than getting the kits from bkk....

Ok, ill add then that you will use the blueprints.

Hey, we are interested in 3-4 klndik 64 boards, as soon as you are ready - le us know - we have a UK based company we can visit you anytime with the chips in our pocket - if you guarantee that none of the chips will be harmed, maybe we can provide some for R&D purposes. What do you think? (we have chip preorders already)

Will do...
If you pm me your location, I can work out best plan...
Looks like ill have a few chip pickups todo in person....aint trusting royal fail with a few hundred chips lol

Also interested, prices look very good. Better place an order for some chips then :)

Hey, interested in 3-10 boards :)

Yep, I will also have at least 5 boards.

the more the merrier....also i hope, the more the cheaper lol

Although it's a bit early to say this but I was wondering how you are planning to get the board manufactured:

1.  When you receive the chips you send them off to get the process asap

or

2.  When a set number of chips come in (say 20 boards worth as an example), then they get sent off to get processed

...and how long do you think you will be acting middle-man for (as long as there is demand) just in case some of us want more boards way further in the future

depends on pricing, etc..
Im trying to get prices for 1,10 and 100 batches

Im using local companies to me, so I can drive the chips for assembly, im lucky I have about 7 assembly places near here...
gspk is just the closest, being walking distance from me lol

My idea is to keep the thread running, hence the single batch pricing, as long as im on the forum and ppl buy avalon chips etc, ill try to keep the offer available...

Id have liked to have still had the stuff to do it myself, but id have to retool, and I cant see there is demand tbh
Until something better comes along, I aim to build a board or 2 myself every month

Interested in this too, have 64 chips ordered, just over the pennines so nice and handy too :)

How tentative is this? If it's going ahead I'd love to sign up for a 64 chip board - Would it be OK to get the chips sent to you directly?

Unsure on the 64chip board atm...and im still gathering prices...
tbh a k64 board is just 4 k16 boards locked together...

As some of you know, I had a bereavement beginning of this week, so Ive dropped the reins a little this week....but ill be back and chasing outstanding quotes on friday etc

There is also the issue of heat sinks and fitting I need to look into etc

Sorry for your loss. It puts things into perspective, some things really are an awful lot more important than bloody Bitcoin mining!

Take as long as you need, it'll take a while for the next batch of chips to become available anyway.

 

Hi ourselves www.asicgigahash.com will be in talks tomorrow with "evilscoop" in relation to us selling the chips & evilscoop having them constructed.

we are hoping to be offering evilscoops services on our website.

Please visit us at www.asicgigahash.com

i would also like to add we are based in central england UK

Kind Regards.

Central England? Brilliant :)

However, note to your Avalon chip offer: no quantity discount? Also, there should be quantities divisible by 16.

Has philr13's involvement changed the original offer? In other words is it still possible to send chips in for assembly at close to cost price in exchange for 24 hours testing/mining?

Slightly confused that asicgigahash are advertising a service that charges £400 for assembly in a thread offering assembly for £65?

The offer has not changed in the slightest, and his pricing you see (400) includes the chips....

This makes no difference to this thread, it just means I may have more boards to produce :D

evilscoop is the man !  8)

Getting excited about this, really hope it goes ahead.

Would it be ok to have chips shipped to yourself or your fab directly from a groupbuy?

I'm interested in two 16-chip boards, and possibly one more if I can get my hands on 8 more chips.

Some questions... the price in first post is higher than the one i have put in the dev-list but i cant find the source now anymore. Can you update the first post if the price changed to be lower?

Then... you accept paypal? Dont you think thats quite a risk?

The miner coming out will be fully complete working with heatsink and everything?

Yes

Will do once I get prices more confirmed.

The risk is only with virtual items, with provable delivery of physical items the risk vanishes.

The price will be for a complete boards, just plug in and mine :)

Hi,

I would be interested in 50 pcb's.
I just don't have any chips right now.
I am talking to a seller on ebay but if anyone has some chips to sell let me know...

Greetings

All chips are pre-order atm...

there are a few group buys going on here...one is eu based
see -
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189582.0)

op updated..

Considering all the hiccups, everything seems to progressing at a decent rate.  Just having a read through BKK's thread seems like it might be possible to get the board documentation completed and finalized before the group buys get shipped.  Well lets wish all the developers the best of luck =D

op updated....

Icon no go, Anode rang..bom and gerbers sent

2 down
6 outstanding requests
1 in the wings

Another one down....

Arrow technical are too expensive :-

1off fixed tooling and setup charges = £850
Therafter to supply assembled PCB’s in the following quantities:-
1off = £304
10off = £202ea
100off = £54ea

This is parts, not inc avalon chips

The price for 100 units doesn't seem that bad. Although quotes in the US are around $60 mark I think... But that's US :)

yeah, getting a batch of 100 after initial tsunami maybe a bit lengthy

Do you pay a licence fee to bkkcoins and if so how much will it be per board?

No you don't
But I have said a % of the testing phase will goto his address.

This affects my profits not the price of the boards ;)

Ive had a good quote at last....

Op updated

The new update prices seem reasonable, hooray to evilscoop =D

Excellent news evilscoop - very exciting!!

Count me in for 3 boards!

I am interested in 1 board, but I am not clear on some things:

1) Is the price in the OP for the k16 or K64 board?
2) This is just for the PCB right? I need to buy the chips somewhere else and then I will be able to fit the chips on the board myself?
3) What's the best way to get the chips right now?

As far as I know - somebody please correct me if I'm wrong:
1) BkkCoins is developing K16 board. K64 board is just 4x K16 boards bolted together. So these prices are for K16 boards.
2) The price is for assembled board - you provide the chips and they will fit them for you.
3) There was a number of group buys. Some people are selling some surplus chips, including me :) Let me know if you're interested, I have a total of 350 chips at the moment and will be sending most of them to evilscoop for assembly so I will be able to sell them at a very reasonable price.

Pencil me down for 13 boards. (k16)

updated op - new quote

That's a very decent quote - first batch of 200 boards comes to ~£47 per board including all the tooling/setup costs and 20% VAT.

yip, still waiting on heat sink prices....

Watching this thread interestingly, i also live in UK so.   :) Any suggestion for a newbie who is struggling to understand this all assembly things? I need to buy chips somewhere else and provide you for assembly, paying your board and all assembly cost so i can get my miner ready for bitcoin mining, am i correct?

pretty much..

you get chips, send them on, I get them assembled, test and send back a mining board

Thanks. Sure, i ll get back to this thread if i manage to get chips.  :)

Hi, I might have a bit more chips than I'll need so I would be willing to sell you 16-64 chips.

you will make more selling made boards ;)

ill probably be on the hunt for spare chips myself too when we get going :D

Well, you're right. I'm just a bit wary investing large-ish sums :) But it will probably be worth it. Thanks for the nudge ;)

OK, the update I posted on 5 June....decent quote...you can basically forget....

The company will not deal with private customers, only company to company.....and im not a company, nor am I setting one up for this.... I firmly believe that BKK's board should be built as a non profit entity, being an opensource design.
My own profits, and the repay to BKK for the board is purely taken from the testing phase, costing you the end user nothing, but a small wait...

I have argued with this company now so much over this, I dont think they will touch me with a barge pole now....but thats ok I have a much friendlier company on board atm :D

This I will never understand. If we can place a very substantial order then what's the difference >:(

Perhaps they don't need the business. Good for them :)

My argument exactly....

I think its todo with risk and vat..

Yep, b2c business is dirty. Laws, warranty, vat... Why on earth selling to customers? ::)

It does make projects like this hard to get off the ground...
and tbh it puts you off doing it again......still nothing good is easy :D

Got another quote.....tis a fair bit more, works out at 80gbp per board (inc vat)

Forgot to add, current fave quote stated :-

Hi, yeah im interested to buy some chips but not sure yet how many. I havent decide on board yet so im not sure how many chips i will need for which board, let me check and calculate it first then i will give you a PM. Any advice (how many chips and boards) to start with small money, anyone? Around 1k will be my budget for bitcoin mining to start with but im not sure if thats enough or less also :). Thanks. 

You will actually be able to get a very decent hashrate for 1k thanks to these open hardware projects. It looks like the assembled K16 boards will cost just around £50 plus chips are ~0.1 BTC each which means a complete 4.5 GH/s miner should cost under £170 all in.

Thanks for the whole lot of explanation mate. I am willing to buy your spare chips when you have them. I am looking to build around 20 ghash/s machine to start so i need four k16 boards and 64 chips right?

Yes, something like that.

An alternative to the K16 board is a development by burnin who's building a 10/20 chip board (3/6 Gh/s) that should be stackable and use a single USB connection for up to 32 boards (boards interconnected via CAN-BUS). burnin is in Germany though.

ok that sounds interesting :) i will check him and let you know in PM how it goes.

heat sinks will be about £3.5 ea
Ill try to source some nice fans to put on these

Cheap as chips! That's great. Please try to get low rpm silent fans :)

silent is pref...

I think the klondike has heat sensor, so speed maybe dependent...
Im not sure fans on the heatsink are needed, but I feel they should be included....if you take them off and refan or not, thats your choice ;)

I absolutely agree with this. These devices are meant to be mining for at least a year so reliability and durability is important.

By the way, what size is the heatsink?

Its marto74's from :-
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.0

100x100

makes fans a pain to find...100mm

hi I'm interested in this, do we have enough people here to group buy chips?

That's a shame :) I suppose it should work pretty well even with 80mm fans...

Hi, I don't think we are planning to group buy chips here... There were many group buys set up for that :) Have a look around the forums, some might still be open.

OK thanks, piit79 :-) I guess i'll have to look around for some chips...

On a semi-related note, I wonder how the difference in chip despatch time would influence the delivery of the assembly. It would obviously be more efficient to send everything at once to the manufacturer, but some of us might receive their chip several weeks apart. I can't imagine them running 20 different runs.

@evilscoop, what is now the size of the group buy, in term of board pledge? You mention being near or having exceeded 200.

I'm interested in the project by the way :-)

Its still above the 100 mark...
I suspect there will be a batch run per batch tbh....im working on a site atm

Anyone thought about what might be possible overclocking with something like liquid nitrogen?

I feel liquid-cooling might be simpler: a bath of specialised coolant. Just sink it in. You don't need the specialised infrastructure Nitrogen would require (I'm not a specialist in that though)
But I think it would only be beneficial at a certain scale.
You'd probably better off buying extra boards and chip, or target less MH/s

op updated...

Reading this as you updated... Anyway, I am looking into this to get my chips attached by you! I am in the UK. I will PM you requesting some info.

ask away :D

LN2 is only really used for setting chip max speed records, not something used for more than an hour or two per run. Don't be silly.

Count me in UK people. Waiting for announcement  ;D

Yep, if I haven't mentioned quantities I'll also have at least 10 boards, maybe more. (I will be getting some boards from burnin too for variety :) )

Hi pitt79, i sent you pm this morning asking information about chips. Did you get that?

Yep, just replied. Sorry, been away in a meeting all day.

No worries :), you got another message in inbox i just sent you, pls check and reply.

If anyone who wants a board does not want to use paypal for some legit reason, please shout

Domain purchased
Hosting done
Most of the shopping cart done..

Waiting on logo to be designed....
Either it will or wont be finished, either way, ill be opening up the site for deposits on monday 17 June


If anyone wishes to pay for boards in chips, or thinks they might struggle to pay for final board prices, please shout...I will not see you without your board, and have a plan in place.


Here is an early copy of the t&c's for you to look at and mull over :-

Hi,
I am struggling to get some chips to fit on those K16.
I was late for the first rounds :-(  (woke up 2 months late). And today most of the buy groups seem to have stalled (not reaching completion): 2 in Europe, 2-3 in Asia, 2-3 in US... none growing to completion.

Anyone with some chips from early batch for sale ? Even from less so early batches, but anything more likely to arrive in summer, to sync with Evilscoop's project.
I could pay extra for the chips. Even just small quantities, for few boards, would be very nice to get the fun going.
I'm in UK, and I was already thinking come up to Wakefield to see some friends in the same timeline as that project.

Any pointers welcome.

Regards,

I suspect once boards start to appear chip sales will start again

ATM I could do with more chips too :/

op updated

Order #3 (10 boards) placed :)

Received and thx...
Congrats on being the first real person to test it.....

I will be posting numbers of board orders as we go, so ppl can see what the status is :D
Ill also be posting the testing bitcoin address, so people can verify the 20% I promised to bkk

Yay! That must be the first time I was first somewhere :D

I bet we will get to 100 boards within 2 days.

Hope so, though I feel im late to the game tbh....

I have some people with their own 10k chip orders in the wings too, board runs can be over 100 boards ;)

Proposed things to come on the site :-
Expanding to include k1 and k64 (after batch 1)
Expanding to include ArdulonMiner Shield (sample chip being sent to developer)
Expanding to include complete boards (inc chips) (when I can get a local supply)
Expanding to allow payments via chips (board price drops with chip donation) (after batch 1)

 

Cool. What support can you offer? (repairs and whatnot)

The boards are inspected according to ISO at the assembly plant.
Im running them 24hrs as a burn-in test....so FW etc will be done (no overclocking on test)

Replacements might be tricky first batch, by batch 2 Im hoping to have some spares/repairs (donations, my own boards etc), and ill be able to take up the replacement process with avalon, outside of customers waiting for theirs.

I will be purchasing spare chips from my own profits too...so the risk is all on batch 1 im afraid, but thats how it has to be...batch 1 will have to be best en-devours without me being out of pocket....


I do expect the odd chip here n there to be defective, in batch 1, ill either have to reduce the price of final board to compensate and remove that chip, or discuss with boards owner....

Im here to play fair :D

Repair after they leave me, we can discuss if you wish...
I may offer re flashing service, I may offer strip the chips service....unsure atm

I would hope they're working when you send them out! ;D

But you know how stuff has a tendency to fail. So yes, are you planning some sort of "warranty" or at least a repair service for dead/defective boards (even not from your "factory")?

Everyone is very concerned about sending stuff out, but if the boards fail, there'll be pitchforks and things ;D

indeed...

Without putting myself in a hole, as im not forming a company around this atm, ill make every effort to ensure boards are working for at least 30days, baring neglect or human error....

After that, I will of course help with firmware, board reworking etc etc as needed....

This is of course intended more for the home market....larger customers im in contact with have some other concerns ive had to address, inc personal delivery of items etc....

If your planing 50+ boards yourself, please contact me via pm to discuss

I think nobody can expect a full 12 month retail warranty; this is a community DIY effort after all.

Just be sure to specify this explicitly in the T&C's to avoid any problems/misunderstanding in the future.

aye..
I have a few changes to make to the site tbh from some other feedback...

Some have said they fail to understand the "chip tip" and some seem to think the board is only 6£ complete......

I think 30 days is about... 30 days more than everyone else! (I could be wrong  :P )

But, if you can offer repairs, that's sth I haven't seen elsewhere and could be a good side business (cash/PP or BTC testing for 24H, or both). I'm worried we'll have tons of miners that can't be fixed if (rather when) they break. That would be a bummer.

ahhh ic.

Ill gladly replace the chips on my or others peoples produced boards that are built.
I have reflow rework at home for small things, so thats no biggy :D

working on site logo, excuse the placement etc atm

edit - complete...

thx to rammy for the logo

What will be the thickness of these with the heatsinks attached?

heatsinks are 35mm

So Id say around 40-45mm

Changes in info coming to the site :-

Refund policy, deposits are non refundable once a batch is ready, meaning if we dont hit 100boards, deposits are returned.

Sample chips arrived, and going off to another board developer...

Orders have been slow tbh, but then chips aint really out yet :D

Ive requested prices from assembler for the K1 today..
Both as fully assembled and as pcb for kit form...

Will there be an option to get the boards made even if we don't hit 100?

this im debating, there is the 10x option, but its about double the price...
At that price point, id think it be better value to hop on the group buys assembly, as I doubt youd save the customs duty over all... :(


If I dont hit the 100 before the end of this month, I will close the thread and give up, leaving enough time for people to jump on other options :D

That would be a real shame!

Come on, people, place your orders :)

How many have been ordered already?

15 orders with 75 in the wings if I can get k1's online in next 2 weeks, and demo's of the k1 built with their sample chips (and mine)

yes it would be a shame tbh, ive spent a lot of time, and some money on this venture...
Im all kitted out with jtag and pickit3 lines (both altera and xilinx jtag) and have psu's waiting, along with rpi built for testing....non of which is priced into the end user amount, as this is from my "hopeful" profits

Only 15 orders for the K16 boards so far...? What's going on? ??? And 10 of those are mine...

indeed...
If I can secure these other 75 though, in batch 1, they have a full 10k chip order to push through later (yes they have their own batch)

This will work if I can jump through hoops etc....

What? :) The assembly company have ordered their own batch of chips? :o I wonder who gave them that idea! :P

no not the assembly company...
The people with the 75 boards in batch 1

Ive actually been very cagy with assembly people, they dont know what the board does....and they dont seem to care either....they have not asked...

Some others have asked.....

I'm still waiting to see Bkk vs Burnin evole their boards further before deciding. And I guess others are as well

So would be early to close it this week I think?

Actually, it might be... Especially considering the chips are still more than 5 weeks away. Do you need to confirm the orders soon, evilscoop?

I too will be getting some boards from burnin (I like the higher chip density) but he's in Germany and the assembled boards with heatsinks might be quite heavy and expensive to ship here.

To clarify, when I said this month, I meant July...

Im looking at other boards too, and have sent sample chips to the Arduino Duo miner project today.

For reference, this is the arduino project :-
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218193.0

Still waiting for k1 quote.....

Just put my order in. :)

Whats the total board count now? (Are we nearing 100?)

At around batch 3 yes
Before is less likely

Those T&Cs would be completely irrelevant. EU law states that all consumer goods sold in the EU have a 2 year guarantee, regardless of what the sellers say.

section 1.3 of the EU goods act, I am not trading a company, this is in effect a group buy with no profit....so you have no guarantee
Any warranty is offered on good faith, and off my own back....

and 1.4
There is no obligation on manufacturers to offer warranties (or guarantees).


So the t&c's are VERY relevant..

The problem with these services is that there's simply too much arsing around at the moment. Buy chips from A, send them to B to be put on a board, send board to C to be assembled into an actual product, then get it shipped to yourself.

If you had a full product to sell me, I'd buy. As it stands, though, I just couldn't be bothered with all the hassle.

currently there is no product, but I can put you in touch with a reseller of mine with chips coming, if you wanna pre-order....

pre-orders are risky atm...

hi evilscoop,

Just wanted to get an update - is this
1) going ahead with 100 boards (or close enough to that number that we might be able to negotiate a better price than for 10 boards)
2) going ahead with fewer boards
3) not going ahead, or
4) don't know yet?

Am aware things may still be up in the air, but keen to get an update now that we're into July

Many thanks

scotjam

its in the air...
atm batch 1 run is looking v. unlikly

I need to pin down the guys with lots of chips tbh, but there all being slippery

batch2/3 is looking a lot better with around 75 boards on deposit

Any details of units for sale total kits that are ready to mine with?

none....lol

chips aint out yet, cept samples, and bkk only just finished latest version of the board....

This is a pure assembly service anyway...I do not, and will not sell chips :D or complete boards with the chips.....

Slightly confused by this, how can the first batch be unlikely but the second and third go ahead? I'm not great at maths but I always thought 1 came before 2...

Is it that you've got orders for k64s and k1s or something?

I think evilscoop means batch 1 chip delivery - chips will supposedly be coming from Avalon in several waves (batches) and he doesn't have enough board orders from people who have chips from the earliest batch.

That would make perfect sense! Thanks!

Piit is correct
As I don't sell chips, I need enough orders in to do a 100 board run

Good day Mr Scoop, or may I call you Evil?

I'm trying to work out the logistics of this - where to put the boards, which PSU, etc.

I'm leaning towards grabbing some of these https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246638.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=246638.0) and putting the boards in a commodity case, but to plan for this need to know the size of the heatsinks.

Has this been finalised?

hello sir, you can call me anything you like :D

Im going to use marto's heatsinks, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212031.0 for more info on these
If I remember correct these are 35mm high, then have a fan them, but you could house back to back and place a fan to cool 2 at a time

How's everything looking? Do you have over 100 orders?

still looking around batch 3 or 4

have people with 1000+ chips at batches 3 and 4...but unlikely before...

I have replied to your pm though

Hi
If I were to order a K16 deposit from your site this weekend, would that mean I would be included in the batch 3+4? If so, when exactly is this (ie when would I get my board)?  You also mentioned a few posts up that you knew someone who was selling chips, I seem to have just missed out ona  few auctions, so as long as the chips are a sensible price (not greater than 0.1BTC each), I would love to purchase them off your supplier if they still have either 32 or 16 left.
Alex

Sorry for the slow reply I was away for my birthday :D

Im unsure on the batch ship dates tbh...steamboat hasnt evan shipped batch 1 yet :(
As to my supplier, I believe they have cancelled their 10k+ order of chips :(

No worries, hope you had a good one, and many congratulations.  So does this mean your board isn't going ahead now, or is it delayed?  No idea how you haven't had loads of orders, as you are the only builder in the UK from what I can see?  It's crackers.
Alex

Still going ahead
Though I urge batch 1 or batch 2 people to go elsewhere :(

I know I though I'd be swamped lol

getting final quote from assemblers atm..with latest k16 design

Total of 235 confirmed boards will be going for assembly.

This is the last chance for anyone else to jump in :D

And with a sad heart, I must pull out....

With diff rising, parts being 7 weeks to get, and people pulling out requesting refunds, I can no longer do this project.

I will be refunding those left this week....