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I have clearly stated on the site withdrawals might take 3-5 days to process. and you post a message in the chat and leave, i always reply to your message.

I am not looking for a candy or milk sir. I'm just looking for my rights !
First day = They said can't process of withdrawal with reason sleepy. Will be processed tomorrow.
Tomorrow has come = They said sorry I can't withdrawal for today bla bla bla bla. Will be process next day.
Next day has come = I've asking about it on live support (They didn't reply my message, But admin have chating on log of chat).
And arrive at this moment = Asking again on live support still got a nothing reply.
Finally, Decided to post this.

you process the withdrawals manually?  is it not instant/auto?

4-5 days for withdraw? Kiding us?

I am really sorry for the late but i won't say anything to defend me until i pay you. It is your right to get paid.

3-5 days is ridiculous, especially over such a minor amount. Please explain why the lengthy wd time?

Lengthy waiting time = hoping the player would forget about it and drop the topic for good

Minor amount x hundreds of naive players = jackpot

Sure, but you wouldn't get hundreds of naive players coming to deposit if accusations arose like this one. With new casinos - especially in bitcoin - anyone that deposits usually only places a small amount to test out the service.

If potential customers think that the withdrawal time is too long, they won't deposit.

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Not saying it's not a scam but paying for the website (albeit shitty) and hosting to nab maybe a hundred dollars total is not exactly a profitable use of time.

Why 3 days for withdrawal it doesn't make any sense you are a new site in the industry and maybe doing auto withdrawals be costlier for you or maybe you are not ready idk but you really need to think about your future in this industry , you have many sites to compete with and they already have a instant withdrawal feature so why would a gamblers gamble on a new site with manual payments when there are many sites which are trusted and allows instant payment. If you are serious about this business think about it.

If he still pays out then its just a slow withdrawal? I wouldnt call it directly scam.

Yeah you are right

I haven't looked into their site, but if they don't have a proof of solvency, they could be insolvent and therefore are waiting for other players to lose to pay winners, or need to buy Bitcoin. Maybe they don't even have a real bankroll and therefore can't pay winnings.

3-5 days is crazy, and even some large exchanges that process withdraws manually to keep things secure can do it within 1 day.


Could be a sign of insolvency or a sign that they want to keep the maximum amount of funds on their website as possible to exit scam. Negative trust left for now.

There are few reasons for manual withdrawals,

1. Bankroll issue, which i am hoping will be solved tomorrow (sunday.)
2. When we started the site we had some security issues like you could place a negative bet like -1 BTC which become 1 BTC on profit, generating same nonce for every bets using continuous  ajax request etc. that's why i disabled auto withdrawals. I already fixed those issues but still i am afraid.
3. When i started the site i made a wrong calculation i had a small bankroll but i started the site without any max bet limit, which was dangerous. Then some well wisher told me to set a maximum bet or maximum profit per bet limit for which i am really grateful to him.

But i learned many lessons from these mistakes and bitcoin community is really very helpful. You guyz helped me a lot.

One question may rise, what will happen if i don't get bankroll from my investor ?
The answer is that would be very unfortunate for me. If that happens i will pay the withdrawals from my salary (I am an Engineer) and i will make this site as a PVP site where no bankroll is necessary where all games would be between players. If you guyz can give me few suggestions about this that would be helpful.

You might ask why didn't i do it at the first place ?
I learned some lessons after i started this website. if i had these experience before i start the website i would've started with PVP games.


Please pardon my bad English.

Thanks Everyone for your help and continuous support.

All of these issues should have been thought of before the release of this site. How can you be expected to sustain a good gambling experience if you yourself are inexperienced and negligent of even the most basic things?

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A negative bet, like honestly really? I'm not sure what you were thinking.

That was a bug. Every new site experience issues at the beginning. and nobody is perfect. Even primedice had security issues so they lost $1.5M worth bitcoins to a hacker.

Now, don't you dare try to tell me that more than 2% of casinos have a ridiculously severe bug like that within their opening stages. When you're dealing with money - especially that which can be won or lost within seconds you have to ensure everything is smooth. If you didn't even test to see that you could make negative bets then there is a serious problem on your end.

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And the Hufflepuff situation is completely different. Don't make a crappy comparison: Hufflepuff gained the server seeds while on your end you allowed negative bets with a small bankroll unsuitable for the running of a casino.

not intentionally of course. it happened within 1 hr of site launch which i managed to fix instantly. what hufflepuff did was he found a bug in the seed system which was a bug nonetheless and so i was negative bet on my site. both were bug. there was bug on every big sites in the beginning that's why they have something called bug bounty in place.

you could blame me as negligent if i didn't fixed the bug after i noticed it. i am working all day night behind this site to make this site perfect. Every new sites have issues. And there is a learning curve for everyone. 

But i think there is one thing you can appreciate about me is i don't hide behind excuses, When i make a mistake i am not afraid to admit.

Does that mean you are insolvent? You should never accept bets that you can't pay out, especially with gambling where you can't hedge. Why did you decide to let people win more than you have? Also, did you really not have more than 0.013BTC?


Okay, that's fair. You shouldn't take more than 1 days to check over everything though, how hard can it be to make sure that all bets have different nonces/have the correct payout?


Surely your starting "small" bankroll is at least 0.1 BTC (1x kelly for bet of 0.001 BTC) , and therefore enough to pay his 0.013BTC withdraw?

Just do a manualy witdrawal / transfer from your wallet. It's not hard to make clear this case, That is just showing your sh*t  really can't able to paying / possible to exit scam.

My deposit has 0.01BTC. My profits of game 0.003BTC  ::)

That is why a QA should be put in place before actually rolling a site, specially a online gambling site that involves a lot of money. If there is like a some software testing before the release this should have been captured as defect as fixed right away. This thing should have been avoided. I know that a software is not 100% bug free. But minor defects like what you describe is easily avoidable. A major bug is understandable, but a negative bets is totally unacceptable IMHO.   Heck maybe a SQL injection would put your website in jeopardy (kindly please test this as well, I'm a software tester btw).

This is a nightmare for every online gambling player. Imagine if you have won 1 BTC and no auto withdrawal? Damn. And it would take 3-5 days to withdraw because the owner of the site is doing manual?

If I were you I would temporarily put my site offline and do another round of testing, otherwise you will have a lot of complaints here and there. Make sure that everything is operating as normal, make soft openings and see how it goes. You release it urgently without doing any testing. And the bankroll is really in question here. No doubt that you are earning big as engineer, but what if a whale suddenly won big and suck up all your bankroll? I hope you have enough savings to sustain this kind of online business because it really needs a lot of capital to begin with.

I have been told by my investor that he will provide me with bankroll tomorrow. The withdrawal mode will be changed to auto and max profit per bet will also increase.

Ok if you says so, I hope you can pay the accuser and just live everything behind and moved forward with your business. I think you need to hurry because we are nearing Aug 1. And I hope that you will heed all the comments here and don't take it negatively and but should served you a hard lessons on how to deal with players withdrawals and the improvement that you need to change in your site.

You shouldn't accept deposits and bets if you are de facto not able to cover any winnings the users might make with those.
Are you ready to provide proof of solvency once that happens (sign a message from coldwallets, keep funds there to assure your players you can cover bets/withdrawals)?

yes i will sign a message

Why would you even accept bets when you don't have the money to honour these bets? That doesn't make any sense to me. It should be the basics of owning a casino - set the max bet to what you can afford to pay out.

Plus this isn't even a big amount, i'm sure that you can come up with $30. Come on, that's just a day's worth of food. Why wait 3-5 days to process it?

I know that you have stated it clearly on your site, but evidently you are insolvent and needs your investor to pay you before you can process withdrawals. You should always make sure that YOU hold the funds, not your investor. Because there is a possibility that if someone wins big he refuses to pay and drags down the site with him.

Or maybe he just recently find an investor to cover it. Or he just run a casino without bankroll hoping that he can earn a profit thinking that house always win. This is possible because why he still wait for investor to pay such small amount if he is the owner. He should have a bankroll atleast, because he is the owner not unless I am right.

All very unfortunate, the admin has spent the cost to build the website from the purchase of domains,scripts and, etc.
They said have 500$, but dunno they don't want to pay 0.013 BTC

The site is really good in terms of design and can have a really good future but unfortunately admin thought anyone who would gamble would lose and didn't have atleast 4 btc required for the initial bankroll. Selling your site wouldn't do any good to the buyer the reputation of your site has already gone people would be afraid to gamble on your site. All the best though.

I can restore the reqputation of the site. If anybody buys the site i will help him make the site profitable.

So have you paid the OP or not? We haven't heard from him so i'm assuming that you still haven't been able to get just $40 to pay him from your investor? Is this just a really big joke or what? There are casinos out there that might exit scam with a highroller balance of 100 BTC but I haven't seen any single site exit scam with $40.

And now you're trying to sell this site off for some quick bucks after you've ruined its reputation?

Mate it's not that difficult to restore the reputation. But not paying the victim isn't the way to go, just pay him already and sign a message from an address that holds your bankroll or the majority of it, and your neg trust will be removed.

Bro please read my last posts.

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Sorry there are other posts about this site. so here is the quote



So, I have no investor, and about the payments

Your bitcoin address please

I have received and confirmed that this submission was terminated, because the owner has full responsibility, thanks for the community that has helped.

Cheers.

You should have never attempted to launch a site which has no source of bankrolling other than depending on some sort of angel investor who just promised you funds, but hasn’t sent you anything. Remember you are dealing with the gamblers directly, if the investor does not pay winnings then you are screwed.

Also the fact that you only earn like $900-1000 whilst attempting to launch a new dice site is probably not a good idea from the beginning. I know that opening a dice site can seem to be a great idea, but it’s not going to work without proper marketing and investment of AT LEAST 10-20 BTC.

But yeah... IN the end you paid him back even when you got neg trust.

That is something that i have to applaud you for.

I am really sorry it took me so long to find an investor. Thank you for your patience.




Thanks.

Would you be able to provide any sort of proof of solvency?

If you want to restore your trust on the forum then this is something that you need to do. Sign a message from one of your addresses that holds at least 10 BTC to prove that you'll have enough funds to pay out the winners if they win. If you don't know how to sign a message, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0

Otherwise, your red trust is probably here to stay.

Good job on repaying Attitudeless, though. But you still need some sort of signed message as proof that you're not gonig to make the same mistake twice.

then site closed and stole all left balance on all user ... the end

This was the last post of ZoomDice before they have disappeared :

The site was probably a one man show as no one have maintained operations when he was "admitted to a hospital". DarkStar_ would need to take another look at this since he is the one who made his feedback to neutral due to their site going back in operations again. But right now it looks like the end of it for ZoomDice and it won't be coming back as DarkStar_ might be right that they might be on the run now or the man running the website has been re-admitted in the "hospital".

We paid all of our users who had withdrawable balance with us.

Few of our investors still needs to be paid which is about 0.2-0.3 btc in total

We are paying them all slowly.

I don't know if we can ever come back online again but we will pay back all.