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Write in this thread if you think, that moderators are deleting too much with the new rules. New forum rules discourage libertarians, developers and business people, basically anyone who contributes valuable content to the forum. New forum rules attract only kids fresh out of school.

What they wrote in FAQs like "some users here have prickly shells, but we've grown to love them", this is not true anymore. Basically now unusual and insightful opinions can be deleted. And often are deleted, because mods are oversensitive. They promise free speech, but they aren't men of word. There is no free speech here, and no respect for user's time. If you want to have a forum for kids run by kids, go on and keep the current level of deleting posts.

Bitcoin was advertised as libertarian currency. But for some undisclosed reason the owners of this forum changed their minds. Now we are heading towards bitcoin currency regulated by governments and have the bitcoin forum without free speech, which means the whole thing is not libertarian at all.

The world would be way worse if people like you ran it. Look outside your window. The only thing keeping another person/neanderthal from jumping into your house and killing you for your belongings is this society that you seem to despise so much. Once again I ask all you ULTRA-Libertines to LOOK OUT SIDE THE WINDOW.

Im no libertarian, but I can see the difference between free speech and murder.

Well, I AM somewhat libertarian, and I agree with the OP. Valid comment is being spiked, while juvenile babbling is left untouched. I can tell the difference, and I wish the mods could too!

When people are coming in here and manipulating peoples lively-hoods with lies, I would call it just as bad as murder. Which is exactly what the moderators here are trying to prevent, scammers/spammers/thugs and overall liers. Anyone in this community looking to make a good point, is welcomed with open arms, and usually people are quick to come to the aide of any injustices in the community.

No, they aren't, more often they are treated with contempt and the person coming to their aid is some other noob.  There are some genuine people of course but a lot of the hostility is just pathetic. 

There need to be more mods, and the forums more severely moderated.

I don't visit very many forums.  But this one is a total cluster-f*** because of people posting the same thread topics over and over, all of the troll threads, etc. 

People have the right to discuss things in a civil manner.  But if people come on here simply to attack people or just to thread crap, they can go to the kiddy pool.

Maybe it's because the people who have been here for 2 - 1/2 years - and truly understand the technology- are SICK AND TIRED of noobs/scammers/flamers/and trolls coming here talking out their ass with every single post. It smells like manure every time I open a thread. I was a noob just a month ago, but I got it immediately, and understood what this technology meant. And I gotta say after a month of being here I actually FEEL for all the developers and early supporters. The morons who peddle this as some type of HYIP or super investment are in for an ugly surprise. This is a system that cannot be destroyed, and the value of our currency is backed up by our faith in the system. The system is flawless, it has been thought through and through by people much smarter than me, you , or quite frankly anyone posting on these boards. The system is more powerful than the worlds top 500 super computers...

Don't you think they saw this coming? Our job is to be above all of it, to grow up, and be mature. I bet the majority of the people on these forums are under that age of 30. That tells you something about the maturity level of everyone here including myself. Even if we don't see it in ourselves right now it's the time for us to act like adults, and truly start showing people why we think this is special, and how most importantly we think it will be able to help people change the world we live in today.

The world would be way worse if people like you ran it. Look outside your window. The only thing keeping another person/neanderthal from jumping into your house and killing you for your belongings is this society that you seem to despise so much. Once again I ask all you ULTRA-Libertines to LOOK OUT SIDE THE WINDOW.
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Wrong, he despises the government and busybodies like you, not society. Law Enforcement is more worried about arresting us for simon says rules than protecting us from actual criminals. Murderers and thugs are far more afraid of the .38 snubnose I keep concealed on my person at all times than the cops. And no I don't have a concealed carry permit.


No such thing as somewhat libertarian.

Here's an idea, maybe you should Email everyone on your mailing list about this protest  :-X

This forum was all right some time ago. It was one of my favourite forums, until people started to call for moderation. Now there are too many unresponsible mods, who overuse their delete button.

I feel that what you call "right to discuss things in a civil manner" is what I call hypocrisy. If someone is annoyed by letters displayed on his computer screen, he has emotional problems, and should not be treated seriously. Forum rules should not be changed because of people with emotional problems, who get easily annoyed by anything. Forum rules should support people who contribute value. A lot of valuable insights get deleted, because they annoy someone or are not "civil" or "proper".

In simple truth high traffic forum will have rules to go by, there is no other way around it, else overwhelming junk will make good members look elsewhere

Wrong, he despises the government and busybodies like you, not society. Law Enforcement is more worried about arresting us for simon says rules than protecting us from actual criminals. Murderers and thugs are far more afraid of the .38 snubnose I keep concealed on my person at all times than the cops. And no I don't have a concealed carry permit.


No such thing as somewhat libertarian.
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You own a gun, I don't. I need society to keep me safe because I simply don't want to pack heat, I'm not familiar with it, and never have been attracted to firearms, but I respect anyone who chooses to own one.

Now I know for a fact that there is at-least one person in your life you care about who doesn't own a gun, and you rely on the system that we currently live in, to protect your loved ones. You see they may not own a gun , but people who own LOTS of guns are only 15 seconds away with a 3 digit phone call. You claiming independence from our governmental system is like a bee claiming independence from it's hive, it can sting once and die, but if it calls for help the bee triples it's power.

It's perfectly in line with libertarian ideology to have a moderated private forum. Don't like it? Make your own. I'm very pleased that the mods have been very proactive. In fact, I wish they would do more.

Thread hijack. I have no problem with something like this being deleted.

I may or may not agree with the subject, but the form is improper, and only adds to the noise level.

I was going to write something similar about "make your own". Though mine would have had a bit less moderator ass-kissing and a bit more panache.

If you believe in libertarian ideals, you will recognize the right of a private website to come up with whatever rules they wish.  You are free to start your own forum in line with your wishes.

I don't see what is getting deleted.










Wait for it.


*RIMSHOT*

In addition, you can have uncensored forums in FreeNET.

There are bitcoin boards in the main board systems - frost, fms, freetalk

Unemployed so you evolved from begging for Bitcoins, to Trolling, to Bitching about not being able to troll and being an absurd fundamentalist.

The reason they want to break into your windows and steal all your stuff is because of this society.

I am in broad agreement with 'unemployed'.



Vegetta, oddly for someone who is (presumably) supportive of these new rules, your opening gambit in this thread is in breach of much of section one, even putting aside the unwarranted hostility and seeming inability to respond politely and calmly - your capitalized 'shouting' alone sees you break these rules.

Your post, along with this thread, is pure rat shit. It shouldn't be in the top of the forum, and people should just let it die here..

If there was something I said in my post that was wrong please point it out and I will try and clarify my point.

But as it stands my point remains, the very rules you are so vehemently defending you, yourself, are in breach of.

Don't try to paint me as the bad guy here sir. You guys are the ones sitting here arguing against basic rules that the majority of this community agree with. Go look at my posts, I am here to have serious discussions about the future of this beautiful currency. Not debate with you or anyone else about whether or not people should be able to post

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50X a day. I'm sorry this post once again is pure RAT SHIT, and on it's way to being upgraded to cat piss.

'Bad guy' ?

Not at all, I am not someone who supports this kind of moderation, so I am 'against' these rules (at least in their current form / as listed).

I am all for you being able post as you see fit, I am just pointing out that if you do support these rules then you are not following them.



Again, I think my posts have been entirely reasonable.

Stop acting like a child and perhaps your post won't get deleted.

i'm in support of moderation.  although i'd prefer a self-moderating approach like the one DailyKos uses, as i've mentioned before.

with all of everybody's nattering about rights, ideals, and blah blah blah, nobody has pointed out two obvious realities:

1.) this is not "our" forum.  we don't pay for it.  we are guests.  and

2.) whether you care to admit it or not (n.b., perhaps you are one such), there are people in this world who get up in the morning, and their first thought is: "who can i hurt today?  what damage can i do?  what can i destroy that someone else has built?"

oh:  and then there are the trolls who are paid...

Your's have but you know this entire thread was made with ill-intentions -filled with spite- and I won't reply again, since our discussion (has been reasonable) only legitimizes this hit job. See you in another thread. In a perfect world I would agree with your ideology of freedom and self expression. But unfortunately we live in a greedy planet, filled with fear, and psychological set backs, and then cherry coated by laziness. If you let that run wild in a public forum of this magnitued, your going to get 90% spam posts.

Entitlement syndrome is an ugly disease. Sadly it seems to effect not only the young people of today but even full grown adults.

Do read what Jaime wrote above. This is not "your" forum or "our" forum. You are using something somebody else is paying for.
Be grateful you get to voice your opinion here or start a new forum & get traffic to it.

Guys, guys, guys, they are not merely locking/deleting stuff that is trolly, they are doing it to stuff that is relevant. they just stopped 3 discussions on the mt gox/kevin stuff for god sake. this truly is a shame. It is as simple as this - mods have friends, people pick on these friends, mods use their power to stop the discussion. if you don't know this, then you are not reading the forums enough to see it.

part of using this forum is that you have to accept that you are not looking at an accurate portrayal of the community, you are looking at a portrayal of how the mods think the community should be seen. i still read news articles, it is the same thing. some individuals opinions, not everyones.

We will just have to agree to disagree here, I can see no ill intent in the OP nor justification for the idea that it is 'filled with spite'.

It seems like an attempt at a discussion about the new forum rules, an attempt that has been met with fairly naked hostility (and even 'spite') that is not present in the OP.

Why do you ban me if I use Tor? Is this really necessary?

That this is a private forum where the owners have full right to do whatever they please to people's posts is beyond dispute. It is, however, also a community. If it is the wish of the site owner and the mods and admins they have installed to run a dictatorship, they are free to do so and people are free to go elsewhere. It has not, however, been established that that is the case. I believe the mods are here to keep things running smoothly, that is, to serve the community. That being the case, they would be wise to take into consideration input from forum users, and I expect they do.

My input, then is what I've said elsewhere already: Do not delete anything if not absolutely necessary (legal threats come to mind). Locking threads and maybe moving to a trash bin section of the forum would suffice just fine. I agree this forum could do with a lot more civility and restraint, I just hope a middle ground can be found where the moderation process remains transparent enough that I can still believe the mods act in good faith. If not, I may well take the fine advice so many here are happy to give and leave. We're not at that point yet, though.

Asking for change gave me 2.5 times more income than writing the Bitcoin Tool. So maybe it was smarter.