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In most of ICOs, investors can get some bonuses, if they invest sooner. In my opinion these bonuses not only don't cause the ICO to be successful, but also cause the ICO to fail. In some ICOs there is up to 100% bonus.

If I see that there are some people have gotten 100% bonus in pre-ICO, I don't invest in that ICO, Because they will dump their coins after crowdsale and cause the price to fall.
 Do you agree with me? What are your opinions?

Bonuses for early investors aren't necessarily a bad thing if the percentage is reasonable.  I usually avoid any project that offer 50% bonus or more during the ICO or Pre-ICO.  I feel 20% to 30% is the perfect amount for early investors which is the standard for many projects.

The bonus is a way of increasing the price during the ICO.
After the ICO the price is supposed to go up more. Lowering the bonuses starts this process even before the ICO is over.

I think bonuses are not bad for ICO, for me i would be concerned about the use cases of the project, if the project is not good, there is no amount of bonus that would raise the price, for instance i bought one ICO called STARTA, it's over 50% loss from ICO price of $1, but I believe that it would grow. Because it has usecase

The bonus doesn't  matter, as long as you conduct thorough due diligence before buying on a particular project you're all good. Don't buy on those crap ICO's no matter how big or small their bonuses.

I agree, I think looking into the business, the ideology and the team are more important. Although having a very large bonus can make the buyer worry a little as it can devalue it in his / her's eyes.

I think anything up to 40% is acceptable. 100% seems a little too much of a great deal.

I think that the increased bonuses is a marketing trick which makes the ICO pleasing to the eye and are given to attract more investors, but the success of the ICO does not solely rely on it. Perhaps yes it may be detrimental to the ICO success but there are a lot more factors to it. But I agree with you that giving too high percentage of bonus is too much, a 100% pre-ICO is even crazy.

I also think that pre-ICO bonuses over 40% are too high and raise a red flag, but sometimes even an ICO that is 2x the pre-ICO price can be a very good investment. Sure buying at pre-ICO price would be better, but if it is a solid project with a good use case, a great team, a working prototype and a reasonable market cap it can be worth it.

Looking back, there are plenty of tokens out there that would be amazing investments if bought at 2x ICO price ;D

I always try now to look for a good project with a nice PRE ICO bonus. I invested in one nice project because it has a functioning business and TAAS invested 250k USD there so i took the chance to invest in the PRE ICO and collect a 43% discount on normal rate which will be in the ICO.

If a presale was given to big investors and you weren't part of it, theres a chance that you could get burned, their presale price is probably way better than yours, they could dump and make a profit and still sell under your buy in price.

prices usually dip when a token is listed on the exchanges no matter how much bonus an early investors got. what better thing to do is not to invest but just buy on the exchanges when its price dip. this is when its going to be cheaper and at the same time you avoided getting scammed by a team who won't even try getting their token listed.

Can you tell me what project that was?
Do you know similar projects that have a PRE ICO soon?

I just got the following from https://bitindia.co/. Any thoughts? (good investment, be cautious, etc.)

_______________________________________________________________________________ ____

ICO 2017 Dates

Pre ICO = 11th September (12:00 pm IST) - 11th October (12:00pm IST)
ICO       = 11th October (12:01 pm IST) – 11th November (12:00 pm IST)

IST = Indian Standard Time

Type of offer

Initial Coin Offering

Tokens Available

134,400,000

Token Price

$ 0.1 per token

Platform

ERC20

Minimum Purchase Per Person

1 Token

Maximum Purchase Per Person

40,320,000

Bonus Structure

50% = 11th September (12:00 pm IST) - 25th September (12:00 pm IST)
30% = 25th September (12:01 pm IST) – 11th October (12:00 pm IST)
15% = 11th October (12:01 pm IST) – 25th October (12:00 pm IST)
10% = 25th October (12:01 pm IST) – 4th November (12:00 pm IST)
05% = 4th November (12:01 pm IST) – 11th November (12:00 pm IST)

Accepted Crytocurrencies

BTC & ETH

This is not right. Early birds should be rewarded and this causes more people to get into the action. Without bonuses, the promotin of the project would be failed and this actually would cause a real FAIL.

I think the bonus is a good way to give an incentive to invest on an ICO. Also, is a marketing technique to have attention and attract more potential investors!

Always good to double check, a high percentage is always too good to be true ;). So better to check twice and do some due diligence before investing your hard earned money!

100% pre-sale bonuse and that was obviously a scam project. I can say not all of the ico that already offered the pre-sale bonus was including in the dump project. But you must remember to not buy bitscam india. Just like another scam (ethplus scam project).

You can see some project that already offered ability to buy in the pre-sale and their investors still get a decent profit.

foodcoin.io had a great multiplier bonus of 1.35 and 1.7 . Does anyone know of any others coming up in the short term?

what to look at is not the ICO bonuses, that is important thou,but the core is the whitepaper and the team of professionals executing the project, checked out there  track record ,there success story, and don't be eager to invest when the  ICO bonuses is over 60%,that  is definately a red flag to failure.

I think in some ICOs, they give participants big bonuses because there is no any other feature which attracts investors. Such ICOs with big bonuses fail.

For those ICO offering bonuses is not a bad idea at all. This a marketing strategy to attract more investors in their ICO project. Maybe an investors should make some research before investing their hard earned money.

yes I really agree with your opinion, something excessive is usually less good, as investors do not expect to be 100% if in the end the results are just useless, we better hope a reasonable profit between less than 40% profit is enough for I.

I think Bonuses are good as a marketing step
Then if product/service is great, the price will raise anyway

yes, bonus is one strategy for ico to succeed, high bonus will attract many investors.
And not all ico who give 100% bonus will discard some coin after ico success and cause low rate.

Giving 100% bonus is not necessary, it sometimes enough to have some or half of it, Half will already attract investors especially if the project provides a special threatment to the early investors.

I think it is a decent strategy as long as the % is reasonable. Just bought some Bankera today and got a cool 20% bonus. Sometimes pays to be punctual to these ICO's!

Giving a bonus when pre ico is a good strategy, where the strategy is enough to make the project a success. Do not be surprised if a lot of projects that compete give very big bonus when doing pre-ico or ico take place.

Yes, most ICO project today has its Pre-Ico bonuses were it is a good idea. A good strategy indeed to invite more investors that will support also their project.

I think pre-ico bonuses is a great marketing strategy to attract investors to buy in asap and reward them for being early birds backing the project. Of course, the bonus amount should not be massive but attractive enough to make potential investors make the leap. From what I have seen, many projects are giving 20 - 30% bonuses and the rate drops from there as it closes in on ICO.

While 100% bonuses might indicate a risky project, I think it really boils down to the concept of the project, the team and how promising it is.

Well, in some cases almost everybody bought during the highest part of the bonus, thus pretty much making it equal in terms of % of coins you will get, to what you would have gotten if there was no bonus.

I agree with you. Pre-ICO is a moment that gives a bonus so large due to a relatively short time. High risk to be taken for investors. Accuracy in making decisions becomes one of the factors for success in investing

It is actually part of their marketing strategy. I've seen an ICO with 100% bonus and their project was actually successful. I think they give 100% to attract more investors which is quite good and it's working coz most ICO who goves 100% bonus was all successful.

LakeBanker's ICO offers just 2% of our tokens in our pre-sale. The price is very low, with a potential for 1300% profit if the main sale goes well.

But since it's such a small percentage of the coins, there shouldn't be much impact on the price once our token is tradable.

You can check out LakeBanker's white paper here (https://lakebanker.com/whitepaper).

Our ANN thread is here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028648.0)

Absolutely agree. I think yes, early adopters should be rewarded, but there must be a different way. Maybe they can think of better incentives other than ICO bonus which is crap. 5% or 10% is fair enough but to have more than 20% is just a really bad deal.

Zero fees. Pool of 1% that all 1st day investors share. Priority transactions. Whatever. Just stop ICO bonuses.

Some kind of early bonus is completely acceptable in my opinion. It's a reflection of non crypto-business where early investors are always going to have a higher incentive and lower buy-in cost. Think about it, the people buying at the end of the ICO already know they're buying into hot ICO that's raised X and have that security, it's a given that people investing without that security should have some kind of reward.

That said, for me 45% is the total max before I get suspicious. 

I remember the Ark ICO a year ago and 70 percent bonus on LISK deposits the first week  8) Those who invested that first week should be hell of a rich right now  8) According to icostats.com and their "roi since ico" tab the current profit is 24932% or 249 times and with that 70 percent ico bonus that would be 423 times more!!! Uncredible!     https://icostats.com/roi-since-ico

I thought icos with pre-ico bonuses more than 20% turn out to be a scam project. However, above example explains how ARK investors live their lifes now :)

Seems like we take so many risks at the time we make an idea of investment and waiting for really long time, with believe that our money will increase double, triple or hundreds time :D
The more important now is how can we make a proper decision when having too much ICO's new/sale/funding now??
Btw, congratulation you because of profits you got from your investment, such a lucky guy :D

Good point. There are people invest in icos specifically to get those bonuses. It would be nice to watch the ico grow and be stable but i agree. Most of these investors get these bonuses for extra money when they sell the tokens they get right after or a few days after the ico's launch.

The bonus system is a good marketing strategy but bad for business in the long run!

a 100% bonus incentive needs to be questionable because how do they maintain the value of their coin when there is excess supply ???

I do agree with you and I have no problem with bonuses but 100% is outrageous and will gift investors who will have nothing to lose when they get back their initial invested money and will care less when they dump their tokens as its all profit for them.

Right, some bonuses are good and so as some comes with red flags

I just want to remind you that coins or tokens sold during the ICO are not just for the sake of pumping or dumping. Tokens or coins sold during the ICOs are used according to how their respective projects design them. You buy OPT or Opus tokens, for example, not for the sole sake of trading or exchanging. These are tokens that can be used to participate in the music community they are creating. You buy TFL, or Trueflip tokens, you are not only buying some other token for the sake of trading but to be used in their gambling site.

Well there are different kinds of investors.

LakeBanker is currently in Phase 1 of our Token Sale where we're offering just 2% of our tokens at a really big discount. We're seeing two kinds of investors:

(1) Speculative guys that expect Phase 2 (which starts at a high price) to close early---they will get a 1300% flip if they're right.

(2) Investors that see the long term potential of our business model and the way in which our token is well-integrated into that model. They're planning to hold their tokens.

Check out our ANN Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2028648.0) for more information about our project.

How did you make such conclusion? Experience or simple assumption? Don't think anything wrong. I am really interested :)

I completely agree with the above statement. Giving too much away sends warning signals to the investor and also shows that the company have not thought through their token distribution and are just trying to get capital.

On the other hand I think they are a great tool if used correctly.

1. They reward investors who have invested before they become big, this is a very common procedure in all parts of business.
2. I am assuming that the company raises this money so they can push their marketing and connect with people before their ICO, therefore should make it more successful.

So for both parties it is a good deal if implemented correctly. I would stay away from anything over 30%-40% as a deal too good usually is too good.

Bonuses are good incentives for early buyers and even if there is no bonus, if a whale buyer will dump, it will crash as well. Maybe there should be a limit and if they are giving too much bonus,it will look like a scam for it is too good.

I do believe Pre ICO bonuses and bonuses for first day, first hours investment are very motivating.

For our project we have some ideas and I'll be interested in your opinions on that, whether you'll invest in it, if become an investor:

7-12% of profit already in 1 month
Contribution on PRE ICO step (Sept, 27 – Oct, 4) provides the opportunity to earn 3% of all attracted funds during the ICO. That's the unique offer to get 7-12% of income already in 1 month.

According to ICO results 100 000 tokens will be distributed as a gift for investors.

Early birds bounus for investors during the 1st day of PRE ICO up to 24%

Bonus in the amount of 10% for contributions more than 7 ETH

Most ICOs I know until today have bonus in pre-ico not much, because they also understand the risk and benefit from pre-ico. That is reason they usually have limit or hard cap when open pre-ico, example some projects recently: Atlant, Utrust, BitClave ...

I feel like pre-ICO bonuses somekinda kill the purpose. Devs let early investors to quickly dump their coins right after ICO. It may be attractive but its killing coins later on market. Sell supports are too huge.

I agree with your opinion.
we need to know the assessment of an ico should be backgrounded with knowledge.
that's why many investors are stuck on very ineffective coins.
and the result is a loss.
so about an assessment like what you say, it needs a high understanding and confidence to judge an ico.

the main thing that makes us no loss if joining ico is the understanding that became the founding background of ico, if we are already master certainly do not hesitate to join and gain profit in the future.

IMO, Bonuses = marketing expenses. It is normal to put some money in marketing, but if there are too many bonuses = too many expenses and you need to think if this project can stay afloat this way.

yes I agree with you that it's not a good strategy to give 100% bonus at pre-ico, it's not rationable to me. But many investors are waiting for a successful pre-ico then they will use their money for ico.

On the topic of pre-ICO bonuses, one can get a x7 token bonus for supporting this project:

https://lust.agency

Our financial model and the roadmap can be seen here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2Au0kLZOVYRMmw1cGJqODJ5dlU/view

Bonuses in general on pre-sale or ICO are not a bad idea.
 BUT of course not 100%.. I wouldnt trust that ICO project.

I know that one ICO did a good system for bonuses. By time and by amount of ETH.

looks like this (https://ico.crowdholding.com/#ico)

Pre-sale special prices are actually good in a way. It shows that VC's will put money into a project that has almost nothing to back them.
But yeah, you pointed out correctly that the incentives are sometimes too much. Like 100 or even 500% difference is there.

I think it is a great way to raise money and also give something back to the investors who showed loyalty and belief in the project.

ICO's are the not the first to reward "early bird" investors / clients, and i am sure they will not be the last.

Pre sale ICO bonuses are like the traditional investment round rewards. Think about angle investors or venture capitalists that buy in very early rounds of development in a business and buy the shares very cheap. This is what is happening in token ICOS. Only the difference here is where the traditional investor might wait it out 2-3 years or more to see his investment mature, in cryptocurrency investing everyone wants to go to the moon exceptionally fast, which is the main problem.

If an investor wants to go to the moon fast, he can try Forex ;) Me personally consider investements as a support for a project which  has perspective and real chances to win, but not at once... Modern life accelerates its tempo, but world isn't concentrated only in one point (in amy dimension) . Somewhere there is a future, where everything we 're doing now has its effect. Maybe it's worth to invest in the future?

Early investors at pre-ICO have much higher risks so bonuses are strongly necessary! Bad thing is that many ICO make bonuses during token sale aka ICO, ITO. Some of them reach 50-100%. I think this kind of ICO politics is very harmful for success of project.

50% bonus is good for me. I think. They accept the risk. Not every ICO they invest is success. Some scam, some fail. So bonus is fair but I think 50% is the best rate

Agreed, though a lot of startups use ICOs to get around seed-funding and having to deal with VCs so they do need to raise as much $$$ as possible to take their operation through to the next round.  Many reputable ICOs have offered over 50% but at the same time, they tend to be the ones who haven't marketed their project as effectively as they should have.

as developer works with the message delivery to future investors, that the details of project should gives with the

chance on coins buyer to defines of decision, as the use of spares on numbers with the coins bonus to turns

as if buyer to follows on further as managing with the higher scales on risks distribution as keeping of stable value to moves with

rising progress with the beginning entrance as entering market.

To tell shortly, before investing in any ICO or pre-ICO, a thorough research should be done; otherwise, it would be highly risky to become an investor in one or another ICO or pre-ICO if I were you. A reasonable bonus could attract attention of potential investors, though it could also dis-engage them and raise suspicion whether this pre-ICO is promising enough to be successful in future.

I agree with you but I would also advise you that instead of regretting about those people who are investing money in pre ICO with 100% bonus you should be taking the place of these people and making the profits. That's the strategy which you know very well but you regret it because you don't invest like them after knowing that you can get huge profits from it.

reOrder offers 40% bonus during their pre-ICO.

Pre-ICO bonuses are the biggest. This is basically to catch the eyes of the investors waiting for huge bonuses of newly launched tokens. It would be highly profitable to invest in pre-ICOs. But it should be done only after a serious and thorough checking of the project is done.

Investments in ICO now are they effective? the market is increasingly bad. I just strongly recommend looking at the potential of ICO prior to investing.
Now, I just do not know where the market will go on when the BTC has decreased over 1500 $

Bonuses are great, shows that the startup is rewarding the investors who are help building the project.

The thing is the more important thing is the actual startup. The team, whitepaper and concept are far more important than whether they offer bonuses or not.

A confident project has less bonus. There is a self-confidence project is more less.

I met many ICO projects bonuses with the different bonus amount, but almost no one can explain how it works, what should I do if I want to withdraw it, is it actually withdrawable, etc.. :-\

I agree. Prices just crash when they hit the market..

We are currently looking for investors to pool together for upcoming ICO's to get pre-sale bonuses.
Check out our update website http://icobroker.trade/
Airtoken, Comsa and Snovio all have very good bonus when the pool is big enough.

pre-ico with super large discount and only accessible to the close one but not public are just likes our traditional legacy corrupted financial and political world.

I've just found out a very promising one.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135473.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135473.0)
It seems like they've got a great potential of their tokens, also because they're gonna create a wide marketplace ecosystem for a visual content. That's cool! Just started reading their whitepaper, will see how it goes

Totally agree with you, NJB18, but everything over 50-60% still sounds crazy... like 100% imo is abnormal ???

That's really cool! It looks like you could have good bonuses if you invest early. Did you see their bounty campaigns? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2141145.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2141145.0)

I've never thought about it, but actually, it's a great idea to earn some tokens even before the ICO start

I also do not like the idea of early bonuses, that makes people rush towards investing their money without taking the time to research the project and if the bonuses are very large then early investors will probably sell their coins and obtain fast profits with their bonuses.

What could be a reasonable bonus size in your opinion?

With what I experience yes. They damp their coins lower than the ICO price. I purchase during the ICO then after it is allowed already to sale I was surprised the price fall suddenly. But if you have participated during preSale or pre- ICO you benefited the most.

Pre-sale bonuses is a good marketing strategy specialty with token sales it may attract lot of investors to buy their service yet not every ICO offers Pre-sale bonus so yes, if anyone wants to gain some good profits ico with pre-sale bonus is a good opportunity.

In my opinion, I get why they do it but honestly it can bum me out when I see that in the last moments they start random bonusses, I just received an e-mail from electroneum giving a 50% bonus because BTC is up to 4k (their price is dollar pegged)
and another 50% bonus because you're in the bonus early.. like for real? I get the strategy but I also think that's a bit of a ''f*** you I don't give a f**88'' in my face.


I think bonusses should be kept to a pre-ico bonus and possibly a scaling bonus in the ico.

I liked the substratum bonus though where they offered a 10% bonus with 10% of the raised funds going into a jar for hurricane relief.

If you believe in the particular coin, it is always the right decision to participate in the pre-ICO or subscribe to the whitelist. If this isn't a scam, then the bonus will not be huge, but good companies always support those who support them first.

I tend to agree with the sentiment you put forth in the OP. If some participants get tokens too cheap or too many of them then yes this could and would cause a massive dump off. Best

to avoid those ICO and stick with ones that are fairer for all participants or offer a 10-30% discount at maximum.

Too many pre-ICP/ICO projects now. This is a lot of work for reading whitepaper.
Many of them hide the hash algorithm & volume  in the post. They are wasting your time that they even don't want you to know any technical indicators of coins.

Yes it will cause some ico fail if the early investor is dumper. They have many t9ken with much on sale. But if early investor can commit to not to sale their token untill project running it will be very good for the value of these token.

For now i like Cindicator, they have commitment to their tier 1 white list which every one invest $100k. They do a KYC etc..

You can read some good reviews to make a short list of interesting projects and after that read only a couple of whitepapers. Anyway, you should read whitepapers if you want to buy it. And regarding bonuses, it's a good strategy for the company also because it helps to make a good ecosystem and strong community of people who support the project and believe it will be successful.

I agree with you, however, I rarely find a PreICO project that rewards about 100%.
The highest prize of PreICO is about 30-60%.

It's true! I would say normally they (9 from 10 ICOs) offer smth about 30%

Zero, that is the only reasonable size, any size other than that creates an incentive to invest in the project to get fast profits instead of being there for the long term, of course such a project is not going to have as much attention as one with huge bonuses but it gives a more serious impression than other icos that seem to want to grab as much money as possible and as fast as they can.

I also haven't but want to try! 

I just estimate that increased bonuses are marketing tricks that make ICO popular for the eyes and are given to attract more investors, but ICO success is not just a moment away. Maybe it's the success of ICO but there are more factors to it. But I really agree with you because giving bonuses is too much, 100% pre-ICO even steady.

yes i agree with you
any good project will not dare to give very big bonuses, because they understand what will happen if doing that.
I've seen some projects that give big bonus in Pre-sale and I see now their ICO project stuck in one place hard to climb

Disagree, capital needs to be sourced, and newer projects don't attract investors.

New projects need a way to stand out, and bonuses help with that.

Good deals don't necessarily mean it will fail, it builds  FOMO effect for investors when they see people crowding in and they're missing out.

Bonuses don't cause the ICO to be successful, they only help it along the way.

Imagine if you were a startup who was bootstraping everything, you pull off a pre-sale and you have over 200k? can throw that into marketing, more team members etc. Can give your startup the push it needs to be really successful.

Also why shouldn't early adopters get a nice bonus? They believed in the project from the start.

Any clear reasons why offering the large discount at about 50% is a bad thing?  I saw several projects doing that...Does 50% discount sound suspicious? Does it give any signal that the project quality is poor?  Or what is wrong with 50%?

well for users of its coin it is a good thing because you can get more coins and can do what service they offer that satisfies you. On the other hand, if you are an investor it should be a practice to stay away with high bonus from Pre-ICO since they are just ruining away the value of their coin. 50% and above is a bad bonus for me in my opinion.

I would say 50% or lower is reasonable, but something like 100% bonus definitely looks scammy. For example, Filecoin's early bonus is really crazy and is not well designed.

I think youre right. Pre sales with a huge bonus get dumped the most time and the price will stay arround the ICO price! I love presales where the community gets added to whitelist. More people that are interested in the project going to invest and they dont dump their coins, because they believe in the project.

I am curious to know more about the whitelists - is that something standard what people do? and how it differs from the ordinary pre-sale? Do people not get any coins before ICO in this case, but just book for some amount? or what? any special topic on the whitelists?

I also wanted to know more.. I've just asked the same question here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135473.msg22090367#msg22090367
As I understood these guys have a whitelist and don't have pre-sale. Will see what they say..

why you dont invest first to get these bonus? this is reward for them. they should have bonus because they take the risk.

It is one of the possibilities but it is not definite and conclusive. It does not automatically follow that because a certain ICO is offering a 100% bonus, it is going to fail in the future. A hundred percent bonus is normally offered to those very early birds. These include a very small number of solid investors which are not only buying for the sake of investing in tokens but to utilize the entire project.

I personally dont like bonus for ICOs, i feel like its a shady practice. And these usually come in ICOs with INSANELY high hard caps (or no hard caps at all in place).

For me the best ICOs do it like Kyber did - set up a maximum that a single person can buy (2-3eth is good, so you dont create whales right off the bat) and dont offer bonuses for earlier buyers.

I also think that 100% is too much. It must be 30% but stable and constant. ;)

even they take the risk to invest but 100% is too much. they will dump all their bonus to market

I've received these two answers about the differences between pre-sale and whitelist. I hope it could help someone too.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135473.msg22090921#msg22090921
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2135473.msg22101794#msg22101794

100% bonus? Wow thats generous and i didnt see any ICO did able to give that big discount for their pre-sale.Its too much i guess because the thing i do encounter i do see only 25% below.I guess its just enough to have these bonuses because it is also one of the factors to get some investors which would really fund up the project but 100%? Ill think i pass on that one.

Thanks! That's handy

I finally found this explanation here https://blog.artoken.io/announcing-whitelist-application-why-we-chose-not-to-do-a-pre-sale-243db0923843 - seems to become more clear now

Some projects need just to attract investors by giving %100 bonus, but most new ICOs give up to %50 only, which is fair, however the early backers period is very short with limited amount of tokens in most of ICOs, and sometimes all tokens go to venture capitals.

Why should not the organizers encourage those who believe in the project and support it from the very beginning?

Did you try it since last week? ARtoken looks like a pretty interesting ICO, but they made some changes in the project... some of them differently good, but maybe I just don't see something important...

Too much bonus for ICO will make the price of token get dumped, the whale dont care about future of token, they just dump it at the price of ICO because they have overwhelming amount of bonus, that's why many ico with too much presale bonus will have bad rate in the future.
I do agree, kyber is best, but I think the limitation can be bypassed right?

Auctus whitelist is almost finished! We have 20% bonus at presale.

Subscribe at Auctus.org  =)

What you are telling is true that when the offer is very sweet like giving 100% of bonus means the developer is not serious about his project and that ICO is only pump and dump coin. So who ever is going to invest in that coin should better sell of the coins when it hits exchange as you will get the coin in 50% lesser then what price they sold on launching day.

In the case of Experimental, we only accept 300 people on our PRE-ICO, only engaged crypto enthusiasts that are not here just for speculation. We want to create a community that can suggest and discuss ideas. No bonuses, not speculation. https://e11.io

many of the several projects that deliver a promo with ICO 100% in order for investors interested in the project but with limited support in the short time the Division of tokennnya ... but I've been following the project that gives bonuses by 30% only but create very happy

what does it mean "tokennya?".
pre-ico bonus is very profitable but very risky because we can not guarantee that the coins we buy will be successful and listed on the exchange, you better invest only in projects that have a guarantee to buy back

yes i agree. its true pre sale means for investor to gain some bonuses. but its doesnt mean we would gain a profit from the bonuses that we got from pre sale cause price/ value is determined by market and we dont know what will come to us . we only could predict the market.

I also think that pre-ICO bonuses must be more opened for people, oftenly, it's hide and only small group of informed clients know about it.
More information can bring more investments, more clients and more popularity.

I think as long as the system is worked out correctly (i.e. not giving away a huge amount of tokens in the pre-sale) then i think it's a nice concept.

Why shouldn't early adopters get more? their investments might allow them to have a budget for marketing or hire that new developer.

I would just be weary of any bonuses that give over 40%.

We're currently in the same situation where we're thinking of the 'nice & safe' discount % for the Pre-ICO.....IMO; any % between 25-30 from the ICO price is optimum and safe to protect the potential ICO investors

40% from reOrder. ICO starts November 7th. Hurry up to get a real discount from the real project :) I DO really like their product and believe that it can be and must be developed further.

Yes, I totally agree. if a 100% bonus is offered, then there must be a massive temptation to dump immediately - even if you only sell at ICO price, you make an instant 100% profit. This sort of situation will attract many people who aren't interested in the project and just want some easy money.

I surmise that the expanded rewards is a promoting trap which makes the ICO satisfying to the eye and are given to draw in more speculators, however the accomplishment of the ICO does not exclusively depend on it. Maybe yes it might be inconvenient to the ICO achievement however there are significantly more factors to it. In any case, I concur with you that giving too high level of reward is excessively, a 100% pre-ICO is even insane.

Dear bonuses are not bad for ICO or pre ico. because it's a great opportunity for us.
bonus is a good policy for the marketing. I think bonus a good way to influence the investor.
I feel 50% or 100% bonus it's not a matter for any project. Major issue the project are innovative perfect or scam project.

Well i gotta agree that the bonus is somehow good for Pre ICO investors as they bring confidence to people showing that this project is invest-able

However, ICO with 100% bonus is too over, although we have seen project like ARK, which offers up to 50% extra if you pay with Lisk.

Although it may sound very very bad for people invest with 0%, but look at ARK. they are so successful

So Pre ICO  Bonus is acceptable and Bonus ICO is okayish as long as it is reasonable

I rather don't invest in ICOs offering huge pre-sale discounts (40%+) Because whales and big investors dumping almost always. Better for them to sell in regular ICO price if they got like 50% bonus then wait till it hit exchanges etc. That whales flips really interrupting growth of some projects :(

Even Request Network which is great imo and had only like 25% presele bonus is now trading for 0,00018 and the ICO price was 0,0002 ETH. Presale was like 0,00016 ETH

OP is right. Alot of these icos are greedy and dont give a fk for the general people that invest in their projects. They do give special bonuses or discounts to bigger whales or groups, which is unfair for us smaller investors.
Something like cobinhood giving these big whales or investment groups 150% bonuses? Thats just sickening.
But if an ico give bonuses to early investors big and small, that would be fair. Not just to special bonuses to these big investors. That would level the playing field for everyone. Because every investor is treated fairly.

I don't think so Bonus is  bed idea for Pre-ICO or ICO. It must be maintain for project.Because some time it's rally big affect for Project and market price.

100% or 50% Bonus for pre ico it's not bed idea because Pre-ico not stay for long time. It's Jsut offer for some time and earlier Investor. but ICO bones will be maintain between 20% to 30%.

Thank You

This is a really easy way to attract investors but I think that there is a limit of what Icos can offer as Bonus, because it's like you say that some icos are offering 100% bonus and that doesnt make sense, it's easier if they give free coins to everybody. A good bonus should be something between 10% and 15% , that is showing that you want to call people to your project but at the same time you are being fair with your bonuses. Another thing that I don't like is the bounties paid, some people get more tokens from bounties than the bonuses offered.

I don't consider the ICO bonuses to be fair to all the investors. As a matter of fact, I don't side with any ICO unless there is a feature that I want to try out.

I agree here - no sense to offer 100% - that sounds silly
However 40-50% bonuses at the sale start should work - it will stimulate early investors to make decisions faster and not procrastinate - then those investments can be spent on attracting slow-thinkers ( risk awerse)  ;)

What about airdrops??? Can someone advise if that is something projects should consider and what is the value?

I only join airdrops I consider worth it. I make a quick search to look it on exchanges first, even if it's the worst exchange so I can make a quick buck and that's it. But there are some good projects actually that you may consider getting an airdrop or bounty reward like Postoken. They are doing a great airdrop and are listed on ED already, next round finishes 29th october so take a look at that, you might enjoy it! About what you said with bonus, I think 40%-50% is still high for a Ico sale depending on the quantity that is available. Bonuses can ruin a project if it's not very well managed.

BelugaPay proposes a bonus for those who want take part in pre-sale. 20% of tokens are given. It starts in November and lasts for 30 days. If investor want to contribute earlier, BelugaPay provides a private pre-sale before official pre-ICO. You have opportunity to write to the team members directly and get BBI tokens. The minimum investment is 3 ETH.

Yes bonuses increase ico demand but on other hand extra bonuses effect extra load of liability at same time which can create negative impact also , so always check there growth percentage while moving in with new ico , percentage should be at reasonable which should match market scenario  affordable according to project and white paper   

It's true, lately they are giving lots of bonuses and the first thing they do is sell!

Usually because the flip is what most people are after. But they will stop selling when they see something can increase in value as much as Bitcoin and then some.

Do you know, that this ICO has just started? Check it out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2316185
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I agree with you. The way to solve this is to have a long vesting period for the bonusses. 12 months to 18 months would work.

That way the people investing are not speculators but real investors.

If the bonus is for investors, I think it would not dump the price because they buy it to hold for some time then sell. But if  the bonus is for campaign materials like signature campaign, blogging, social media etc., I think it would dump the price because most of them do it for instant money, I mean they want something that will pay their work immediately

I definitely in agreement with your position! When any project gives bonus recklessly what they are saying in essence is that they do not value their tokens! It is easy to identify ICO with sole aim of raising cash!  They are usually desperate to sell their token at investor's expense. Such ICO are good for nothing!

I know!!! I'm so excited! And I'm in!!!  ;) ;) ;) ;)    8)  Since I've tried their  3D scan, I really believe the project will be successful!

Pre-ICO bonuses are are good marketing tool for grabbing more money and I understand it, but the drawback is that early buyers like very much to dump the coins they've got with a 30% discount to realize a 10-20% profit - and latebuyers get screwed...

Electroneum raises every day. Got any bounty in this project?
But I still try to diversificate risks and invest into different projects with stable product such as Cryptopay, lockchain, papyrus, wepower and Confideal these are all ICO’s I personally believe in...

It depends. Some ICO gives big bonus like 100% but they are still good company. One of them is like blockmason which gives 100% bonus. This definitely has raised some concern by the community and that is why the token ICO sale is not progressing fast. However, i am actually very surprised that CEO michael took the extra step to reach out to people and gain their trust so that investors are willing to put in money to invest in them and complete the token sale. So far, blockmason has been delivering their promises.

Hey - here is a nice ICO offering good bonuses at pre-sale - the 40% is over now, but 30% still sounds good :)  - check at Modultrade.io

Why do they have so many coins given out during the projects crowdsale. There is many projects that give out coins as a bonus and failed...so why continue with that strategy?

Those who buy in pre-sale are always at the edge. I invest only in one ICO every 2-3 months and try to get in early at pre-sale (bonus works as a safety cushion/barrier for me)

Now I am looking at WorkPress - WPX (https://www.workpress.tech)

It looks very promising. 50% Bonus (https://www.workpress.tech) in Pre-sale starting on 1st December (https://www.workpress.tech).

Yes, totally agree, the actual project is important and the team is probably the most important element in an ICO.

One of the best ico that i joined is Oyster who releases PRL coins and the first week participants of their coins has a bonus for joining their camp. The ico is also successful in selling their coins. I hope to find a campaign like this again.

I think that purchasing tokens in PRE-ICO at a lower price is a bonus itself. In ICO stage the token will probably cost more due to its supply and you that means you miss out on the offer of PRE-ICO.

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This is why I do really love to invest when it is still on pre-sale state since you would able to accumulate more coins on lesser prices compared into its actual price later on but we should not really be blinded easily on these bonuses or discounts even no matter how low or good it is.The most important thing to be considered always is that we should really always select the potential ones because even if you did able to buy on discount prices if the project ends up on failing or scam then its still useless.

Having pre-ico bonuses is a business strategy likewise when you are starting your own business, you need to let people know that you are presenting someting successful and letting them to be part of your project. Having rewards for letting them invest in you is a good way to take things professionally.

That's exactly it, this is how you present your ICO to the community by offering them something worth their while. By offering rewards or bonuses or discounts in the beginning the ICO will attract more community and could help to the success of the project.

Pre-ICO dont give bonuses, they offer Discounts on purchasing Tokens.

I agree, I do think 100% bonus is a very bad sign. Any valuable cryptocurrency wouldn't want to give out double.

Although I do think having a bonus is not a generally bad idea. I think it's a good thing that early adopters get a reward for believing in a altcoin, but it should be at the maximum 40% (and that should be if you invest a large amount of ETH on the opening days).

 I think if on pre ico is more then 50% bonus  then it's just a possition to get more
money using the fact that people are greedy

I think there is nothing wrong with having a bonus, my only concern is the percentage of bonus.

I would advise to keep away from any ICO that offers you more than 40%. No ICO should be willing to just throw their altcoin away just because you invested in them. It should be valuable and have a use, not just to raise capital.

There more bonus in PRE-ICO to attract a larger crowd, and gather more funds, to achieve this you need good marketing.

Bonus are like fake discount. If every investor get bonus, so nobody get it. There is a lot of ICO out there that complete only first stage with pre-ico bonus then they are no interest after that and the other ICO part don't sell well.

I disagree with your statement. I think the important factor is how much of a bonus.

I think it is a great idea to reward early adopters, we all can tell that once an ICO has raised a decent amount people start putting more into the ICO because they see it is less of a gamble.

Anything over 40% is a worry though, they shouldn't be willing to let go another 50% of their coins just in bonuses.

I disagree. It is unrelated to success. They pay you so you promote them, that's all.

I disagree but maybe we should have. Yeah we are promoting them but we should need or have a ensurance that this project will be loyal to us that until the end of ICO they are still there and they will not scam the participants.

I agree with you i personally not joining any ICOs with pre-ico token sales with 50% bonuses or above,it will cause the drop price of the coin after the ICO and be listed in the exchange.

 In my opinion these bonuses not only don't cause the ICO to be successful, but also cause the ICO to fail. Pre-ICO bonuses over 40% are too high and raise a red flag, but sometimes even an ICO that is 2x the pre-ICO price can be a very good investment.

Most likely, there will be a significant amount of coins or tokens getting dumped with such very high bonus offers. But it is not the only thing that matters. The more important thing to consider is whether the project is good or not. That is the most basic thing to consider before investing in an ICO. Whether the bonus is too big or not will be considered a bit later. After all, it is does not tell whether the project will become successful or not.

i dont agree 100% with your statement because its not 100% that ICO is fail, i think if the project is good and all people interest with that project and invest on it, i think its doesn't matter about the 100% preico bonus, it will be great if the preico bonus is 100% and you participate on it

I agree that most ico don't need a high bonus to attract investor. I always look at what they are going to do and the whitepaper whenever i decide to invest and sometimes a high bonus become a negative aspect especially if i didn't join the presale because i have to worry about the potential dump by pre ico buyer who get token at cheaper price. If their product is good, they don't need bonus to attract investor like cindicator who offer no bonus at all.

I don't think so.
spread project need a lots of attention ,pre-ICO is a good way to made it popular.
when the investors all know the project,they would begin join the project and made it successful

I don’t think I would invest in any project that wouldn’t offer some level of pre-ico bonus. Somebody has to get the ball rolling and most projects will use this phase to gauge if they have the pricing right and also the real level of market interest. 20% to 30% works well in my opinion.

I haven't seen yet a project that gives 100% bonus on pre-ICO, and maybe you can post here some link so I can see it. Mostly some ICO's I encounter only gives 10% to 40% bonus, which I think a standard bonus for a certain ICO. And if ever I see an ICO that gives 100% bonus, which sounds very suspicious, then probably I can tell that dude don't waste time on it, because they are so much obvious.

it make no sense for me, you are talking that it is bad, but you support an ICO that give big initial bonuses, so where is the logic of what you are saying?
but anyways, you have an example of ETN, bonuses of 50% on the beginning, and for now +/- 1100% (in a very short time)

The guy I totally agree with you but in my opinion Pre-Ico in general should disappear. Let there be only ICO and a maximum of 15-20 percent for the very first investors

Well, I see the meaning in such bonuses. Such bonuses attract many investors and if the project collects funds for the realization of some idea or technology, then all means are good to collect the necessary amount. ;)

Pre-ICO dont give bonuses, they offer Discounts on purchasing Tokens.

i dont think pre ico bonus will harm the price of the coin later on dumping the coin after the token sale doesnt have much harm because the price will only recover after few weeks and about the 100% bonus the coin allocated some supply for it and low hard cap for the pre sale since they offered 100% bonus.

that kind of big bonus is to lure people in my opinion...

As I know IQeon ICO has a big discount in the first hour of pre-ICO.

We considered the idea of offering bonuses but we believe that our business model, the market we are aiming at, and the fact that our ICO offers a high level of profit share to all token owners meant that we didn't want to do this.

We also took on board what Vitalik recently said when he voiced his opinion about ICO's which offer these types of bonuses. His last words on the topic were "avoid them".

That's not true in all cases of course, but we believe in what we are doing and aim to maximise profits for token holders on the tokens they bought. We also feel that bonuses can in a lot of cases, cause the price of tokens to fall immediately after the completion of the sale and again, we don't want to have that effect on our investors and wish to give them true value for their investment.

it's probably the same... I mean mathematically you will not see any differences between bonus and discount

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I believe that bonuses attract investors, but the maximum discount is best 80%, not 100%. ICO should be of interest to investors, and not give out tokens for free, which in that case will quickly become useless.
         

Offering bonus from marketing point of view is not bad, these bonuses attract many investors however these days we see ICOs are even offering 100% bonus. This is scary.

I completely agree with you that's why everyone buys right out the door and no interest right after.

And there is something else. Ico's are initial coin offerings, they're meant to be the first sale. The projects that make pre-ico trend encourages people to let their friends in first at a lower price and then sell the 'normal' price to everyone else in what's really the 2nd sale. Then their friends can dump on the market at launch for instant profit. Not saying that's what always happens but it happens a lot. The bonuses aren't the only problem here if you stop to think.

people who invest should spend more capital and they will get bonuses and others follow ICO without capital but still get the result I think it's fair

The resale bonuses are a good marketing strategy with the sale of tokens, it can attract many investors to buy their services, but not every ICO offers a bonus before the sale.

I generally agree. I also find that pre-icos are stupid because they are usually left to the big investors with big pockets. It reminds me of the regulation of stock markets and how that screwed over the little guy. You have to make a good 6-7 figures in order to invest in an IPO in the stock market. I'd hate to see crypto become that.

Yes I agree. That's a good happy point. I'm actually about to go in on a pre-sale for the bee token. Pretty cool idea as the decentralized version of airbnb with zero commission fees.

They are like fake discounts, I agree. They are designed in a way that maximize the profit of the token sale and token generation events. They're not realistic things, just to attract investors.

Yes, I can not disagree with you, a 100% bonus is already too much, no matter how much the project is likely to drain coins! But there are also projects that offer small bonuses that help attract normal, real investors. In our time, especially in 2017, 95 percent of ICO is SCAM, so carefully study the product, the technical document and, of course, the team before investing! Good luck to all in this difficult business!

Everything is calculated starting from pre-ICO and ICO. Generally speaking, early adopters should be rewarded more than late investors in practice everything is related to how good is your ICO, how many whales are interested and if it ticks all boxes for them you may get really good deal.  One in five ICO's out there is a very good investment so you must do your homework your own research and make sure you picked the right project then yes it will be very profitable short and long-term. I participated early in 3 ICO's one was profitable from day one, and two others are flops for short-term and might improve with time (as long-term investments) Generally if you do your best and you pick right project pre-sale and ICO are very good ways to invest but be careful.

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If you consider any crowdsale as easy way to make few X's right after ICO, than this is bad thing for you, if project gives a bonus on pre-sale. For me, if I see future in projects idea, I would love to buy tokens on pre-sale to get bonus, and I will hold it for 1 year+.

OP is right. Alot of these icos are greedy and dont give a fk for the general people that invest in their projects. They do give special bonuses or discounts to bigger whales or groups, which is unfair for us smaller investors.
Something like cobinhood giving these big whales or investment groups 150% bonuses? Thats just sickening.
But if an ico give bonuses to early investors big and small, that would be fair. Not just to special bonuses to these big investors. That would level the playing field for everyone. Because every investor is treated fairly.

With this bonus I am very confident that many enthusiasts will participate in an ico because if ico reach the maximum limit allows the success of a project going forward and the efforts of the participants to run the campaign did not go to waste.

There's an ICO that is giving fair bonuses to their investors and they held last year but stopped it because they want to be fair with their investors and wanted to make soft caps and hard caps into reality. If you'll invest today with their public pre-sale you'll get 30% bonus which is a very fair one and it will be down to 20% bonus on March 12 so while there's still a month left for the public pre-sale grab the chance of getting in with 30% bonus.
I'm talking about VLB ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2863598.0 ) www.vlb.io

the price is usually set and entered how many bonuses earned early investors. the better thing to do is not to invest, but just buy in exchange when the price goes down. this is when will be the same time you get scammed by a team that will not even try get token.

The only really difference is the price usually. The pre-ICO is to raise money to allow the next stage of the ICO through expansion.

Pre-ICO is usually used to collect funds for marketing purposes and for general ICO advertising. If Pre-ICO is over by hard cap that will be a positive signal for future ICO investors. If the project is not too well known, bonuses become one of the major part of early investors engaging strategy. They give some advantages for early participants for their trust so everyone in this game receive their own profits. From this point of view there is nothing bad in bonuses. But as for the size of a bonus I would say that 40-50% is a max level and everything above is a signal that team doesn't believe in their project and their ideas enough so they need to use cheap advertising methods and engage investors by huge bonuses. If the project, team and ICO they're running are quite good and trustful they won't be needed to use 100% bonuses to engage investors. They will come themselves.

Always Bonuses Pre-ICO are the biggest. But sometimes this is only marketing and ICO price stay the same. If you studied project and confident it , on pre-ico you can get good bonus or discount.

this period is very important. a very good opportunity for investor people. they give you assurance about the price on the bonuses they give extra. absolutely must be evaluated. do not miss these periods

When I see that developers promise over 50% bonuses at pre-ICO, I know that they don't really value their tokens and their aim is to raise more money at an early stage, use these resources to carry out ICO and raise even more money. If the team believes in the project and its development, they won't try to tempt investors with big bonuses.

Of course, if you have enough money, it's better to buy coins on pre-ICO. You will get a good bonus and the lowest price, but the entrance threshold is often very high.

I think success or not depends on the response to the project. If the problem is pre ico, usually offered is not too much. So if all the tokens are sold out, I think it'll be fine.

That looks quite confusing, because there are could be a lot of reasons for offering bonuses, where one is they are fully scam and they just want to make too much investors. Second is that they are offering it to make their tokens pricing more after ICO, or just as an advertisement if the concept makes sense for everyone who is capable of reading.

Yeah but you have double low chances that project will survive on the market, its just 1 to 1000 chances and believe me the winner won't be you

The problem with such massive bonuses is that it incentivizes holders to dump it off on the exchange immediately afterwards. I would avoid buying projects that offer such a massive discount.

I think it is very nice that there are pre-ICO bonuses given to the public because they are given a additional income and hope that there will be a asset that can contribute a lot in their future which is a big thing for all people in the whole world.

It is great that there are pre-ICO bonuses given to the investors.
Actually it is a marketing strategy of other company to allure more people or investors to invest in their company which leads them to increase the demands they have in the market.

You are right, these are the basic rules of marketing.
But I would advise all participants to take part in a closed sale of tokens. Firstly there are very good discount. Sometimes it reaches 50%. Naturally in such sales it is better to enter the pool that collects money from investors , and after getting the token distributes them in proportion to the contribution of every individual. Thus, even without a lot of money you can buy tokens with a good discount.

I think that it's evil. After such bonuses, early investors sell this coins without a doubt at ICO price + 10-50% in dependencies on their bonus. Usually they don't interested any progress, roadmap, any milestones. Only clear profit. And it is evil for ordinary investors

I believe that bonuses attract investors, but the maximum discount is best 80%, not 100%. ICO should be of interest to investors, and not give out tokens for free, which in that case will quickly become useless.
         

This definitely has raised some concern by the community and that is why the token ICO sale is not progressing fast.

 the drawback is that early buyers like very much to dump the coins they've got with a 30% discount to realize a 10-20% profit - and latebuyers get screwed.

Do you guys know any ICO that didn't use bonuses?

I feel that the expanded rewards is a promoting trap which makes the ICO satisfying to the eye and are given to draw in more financial specialists, however the accomplishment of the ICO does not exclusively depend on it. Maybe yes it might be impeding to the ICO achievement yet there are significantly more factors to it. Be that as it may, I concur with you that giving too high level of reward is excessively, a 100% pre-ICO is even insane.

As I would like to think these rewards not exclusively don't make the ICO be effective, yet in addition make the ICO fizzle. Pre-ICO rewards more than 40% are too high and raise a warning, however now and again even an ICO that is 2x the pre-ICO cost can be a decent venture.

I think ICO is good for investors when getting a bonus, because the bonus of each stage is different.

which is less understood for me is when entering the Exchange always its price decreases in the appeal of the ICO price. can also developers who are less concerned with his existing tokens.

It's not wise for ICO to reward investors with 100 percent incentives. Although this is a kind of promotion method of ICO, the current ICO market is very low, and many projects have failed. Therefore, we must choose potential project investment.

I totally agree with you mate. You know, currently, coins are already dumped during ICO sales even before they get to the exchange. Some sell 150,000 tokens for 1eth plus 50% bonus. Such ICOs are shit and ends up at no where in the system.

   I agree with you, and that happens with most ICO's with or without
huge pre-ICO bonuses. Many people who bought with bonus, many
people who earned tokens in bounties sell in the moment hit first
exchange and price of token goes down.
   Time needs to pass for supply & demand to stabilize. When that
happens price start to rise. To many people dupm coins, I don't
do that, but when price fall to dip I like to buy more, that is better discount
than with pre-ICO bonus.