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Hello everyone!
Me and small amount of inspired people working on a project to help byers to check and validate used car history.

I have investigate different markets, and areas in some amount of countries. There are a lot of ready systems, that supported by official dealers and brands to check used cars, their history, road accidents and etc.
My main question is:
If i would like to buy used car remotely, for example to bring it from USA to EU or to CIS region, how can i be sure, thats this car is ok?
Normally we have a lot of dishonest sellers and intermediaries parties to whom we must pay money for consulting. Services that hosted locally can be corrupted, and sellers can buy and mark their ads.
With official dealers centers you couldn't be sure that sale-guy will tell you truth and and does not take his interests into account.

Here we can use the philosophy of blockchain, for the preservation of detailed cars information. Data can be stored decentrally, nobody can change previous block with data, starting from the cars "born" time. Every new block can be related with previous, and storeeverything.


Dear forum users, i would like to ask your opinion about this topic, is it actual problem in your country, and can you trust such service to check and verify data? We are ready for all feedbacks  :)
Thank you in advance!

P.S
Right now we are working on main UI and smal demo application, to show how users can insert data and check this data per request using blockchain.
I apologize in advance for my English mistakes  ;)

A project like this already exist, but I don't know if they already started to make something concrete. Worldline created a blockchain for the car market... The cars are included in this open book. Then, each check or repair carried out on the vehicle will be entered in the blockchain.

So no matter from where you buy the car you are still able to know exactly what the car got since its birth

if you can make it possible to record the system you are talking about in a factory state without selling  vehicles then the program you will be doing will definitely be successful.I apologize for the translation as if it was not clear but what I want to tell you is:save it to the blockchain system before the cars are sold.if you can do it, the application you want to do is logical.the idea that you mentioned about the country I live in has been used for years. I can reach all records belonging to the car only by sending a message to the agency that provides this service.but this information can be hidden and changed differently than you are talking about.at this point your idea may be needed.

Thank you for your feedback. If i correct understand you, do you mean something simple existing, but with 1 centralized owner?
What do you think, will you trust such system, based on blockchain in case of big data amount inside? And if this data store for a couple of years for different countries?

Thank you for your feedback. Yes, this is interesting case cause you go to agency, and agency follow their interests, and sometimes data about the car is not clear. Also, we mention very good case if Insurance company would like to organize request for this database and verify car or car owner, before make incurance process.

Sounds like an intresting Project.

But how do you realize that every change at the car will automatically uploaded to the blockchain.

I guess you'll need an watchdog system with is programmed to ever engine contol unit and connected with the network?

Where I'm at you can check a car's safety test history through the government along with mileage.

Srrvice history is another matter and having something accessible would be great, especially for imports. Places like australia and the uk have tons of used japanese imports with no history.

Some cars are serviced but have no documents to prove it. But i don't know how you prove blockchain entries as being true.

They can't be changed of course but what stops them being lies to start with?

I analysed your idea and certainly have a few concerns,
 -> The papers which are provided during purchasing the car.has all the valid information that is buying date,Engine number which can't be altered.
-> Do you really need blokchain for that ?

-> The distance car has run in his course also couldn't be altered since the meter display the exact time from the day it was launched.The documents you get with the car have unique customer ID's which records are maintained with the insurgence companies and you can verify them online.

-> As long as exporting them,why would someone pay twice the price of an actual car just for shipping ?

I think the idea is very good. However I have some concerns about it. For example, how to proceed with vehicles that had a serious accident? There are lots of vehicles in Europe (especially from Lithuania) where one car actually consists of 3 or 2. Also many people do some changes to their cars by themselves, so it would be hard to track such changes. Even if all data about car is recorded to blockchain you cannot put there information about how car was used that is also have a big influence on the car condition. In my opinion, the idea is good for limited number of cases.

Yes, we cannot make tracking for all car usage cases (especially fuel type and quality usage, small fixes on the garage and etc.)
Regarding your case with Lithuania, the same way is in Russia, when you can find cars with renamed VIN number and par cars.
I thought we can track not only car in general, if person is ready to fill all data in database, but also it can allow us track vehicles parts, and what parts were setup on each car.
My vision here is to make a kind of instrument for users, that works in automative indusrty to organize history storage and tracking not only car in general, but vehicle parts, and car owner data.

Main problem right now is - how make people fill this data, and stimulate them to make it. Especially my vision here - it can start from a couple of interested organizations, that would like to use such service, and sell this service to their potential clients, and then increase influance to private market.
For data input we use normal web application with UI and all staff.

If we use this way, it can answer your questions:
- The papers which are provided during purchasing the car.has all the valid information that is buying date,Engine number which can't be altered..    Official dealers start to fill data with papers from car "born" then this information follows during yeach-year service, untill car will pass to another person.
- Do you really need blokchain for that ? My thought here that blockchain can help us build long, non-changeble chain that store all data and check previous data. It can be used not only for car checking, but for vehicle parts verification for manufactury. In this case we can use smart-contract flow.
- The distance car has run in his course also couldn't be altered since the meter display the exact time from the day it was launched.The documents you get with the car have unique customer ID's which records are maintained with the insurgence companies and you can verify them online People can change distance manually, and using blockchain we can verify previous value of distance.
- As long as exporting them,why would someone pay twice the price of an actual car just for shipping ? It's totally depends from country. Right now a lot of people bring cars from USA to EU, and From EU to Ukraine, for example. Few years ago, during big crysis in Russia, a lot of people from nearest countries (Belarus and etc.) came and buy cars with 30-40% difference on used-car market.
I thougth crises and similar events have been cased, so in future it will be much easier to check car's quality.

Your questions is very concreted, thank you for your feedback. Let me know your vision here.

I don't remember exactly if it was a project finished and sold but for sure it exists. Toyota as well started to develop something like this with M.I.T. since some months

Yes, I will trust such system with no problem but only IF it is added before the car is sold for the first time. I mean it should be implemented at the manufactories level. And if the owners can't add any data themselves. It's easy to fake some things on a car to make it look like the car is new or not so old.

So if someone buys a car then do some things to make the car less old (for example changing the km/miles which can be done within 10 minutes for some money) and then he is able to add the car on the blockchain, it doesn't make the system so powerful.
And while thinking about this, a mechanic guy can easily be corrupted with some money (it is something not hard to find). So if he is able to add data how the system can be trusted.

How to check?
Main idea is to add only data, that can be verified on the previous step. For example distance. Value cannot go to minus, and if owner will make a service, and he want to reduce total distance on the car, system can check with previous value and don't pass new block.

I searched on the web and found this http://worldline.com/en-us/home/inside-worldline/2016/september/when-blockchain-technology-frees-up-car-sharing.html
It was introduced during the "Mobile World Congress" this year around March. Worldline is specialized in electronic payment so not sure why they chose the automotive industry. And the Mobile World Congress is about the mobile industry

what is the latest situation in the project my friend? I really wondered exactly what you decided to do. Have you ever had an illusion or have been morewhere exactly did you apply. Who are on the team? you will think about how long it will be an ico process related to it.your projet-like cartaxi ico process has come to an end recently. but you are still playing..I had to pay a certain amount of money when I first entered these jobs.
Open your eyes, my friends. I will keep those who go cheaply on such projects

 

I see some project like this before around aug of this year... The company name is glu which reside to the history of engine and other parts of ypur car ... But i dont know if they include the born datebof the car and some history of its accident related issue... I am hopingbfor the project to be release soon. I will check it out

Hey, thank you for this research. It's quite interesting...
As far as i understand these guys focused on mobile app, to be connected to existing car. We need to research ways with what data they are working now.
Maybe they have not "born start" data but something that they can collect from cars, that are on road. We will follow them to check how it works!

Yes, of course we plan to collect some first money pull to use it for increasing our soical and business connections (including road show costs).
Development is not a first problem here. On my board we have about 4 really good dev  guys (front-end, backend + 1 mobile) and during October month we would like to show first MVP. We will update everyone in this topic and make separate post. It will be later when we will be ready :) everything is come in nearest future. We are talking currently with several advisors, that can recommend us a lot of cases.

Our main vision here - is flexible, easy-to-integrate tool to store long-life data, that we can collect from cars (car-born time). Data safety - is our priority.
If we will focus only on car history, i think we will lose some potential. History, vehicle parts and owners data in one pipe can help us to work with good quality data amount.
This kind of informatio can be interesting not only for private buyers, but for dealers, resellers and vehicle brands.

Also, to get such feedbacks from really trustable and qualified audience, as we can find here, on Bitcointalks, is very important right now, before we can show MVP and make an announce :)

Where are you located?
Here in Europe we have a problem with stolen bicycles. Not cheap 200$ bicylcles, but really expensive mountainbikes, race bikes etc. The blockchain should be extended to bicycles and their frame number, that would be a good idea.

Yes, exactly this is the same way as with VIN number. Of course here we meet with issue that people can try to change this frame number. But this is good way.
If you will find some other cases - let me know, this is quite interesting!
Currently we are finishing with demo UI, to show how we can build a chain and address to this chain to find results. This chain show how blocks connected with hased data inside.
Our data will be different car values, and owner values. Then we would fill with demo content and show how it works.

I advise to forget this idea. The data is simply impossible to get.
If I'm going to a small local garage to service my car, the local mechanic there will never bother filling up a form on a web page about the work he just did. And if I have a new Mercedes, going to the official dealer, they have strict confidentiality internal regulations preventing them to record what they've just done on a system not under the control of the manufacturer.

Actually, what you plan already exists with most manufacturers, though not on a blockchain.
If you go to an Audi, Citroen or Mercedes dealer, with a car less than 15 years old, the employee at the desk will see immediately all repairs and services done by official dealers.

The problem still come in with the data capturers that can be corrupted. Garbage in Garbage out... right? You will have to

find a way to "double check" or "verify" the data that are being captured or the automated system that would be adding info

to the Blockchain. You will have to implement different checks in the whole process to keep it transparent.  ::) ...The

Blockchain is the solution, but the implementation is very important. { total transparency from beginning to the end }

Main problem is how to stimulate people to fill the data and attract existing services with data amount.
Here we can use way as a GOLOS cryptocurrency. They bring GOLOS tokens to people that use their social services and pay users for their actions.
The same way can be used here - stimulate people to fill good quality data!

I see quite interesting discussion flamed here.
We are already working on blockchain car history registry from July 2017. It's called carVertical - https://www.carvertical.io

In general car history blockchain registry is just a solution for the problem. Registry of course will be public (it will be stored on a BigChainDB). But on top of blockchain car history registry we will build five different products: tree of them will be monetised in a short time.

Please check our explainer video: https://youtu.be/pHZ6w42HjJo

Ok this one looks promising.
From your WP summary I can see that you will be using BigchainDB. This is amazing because they are speaking about same topic and offering their technology to be utilised be registries. E.g. here BigchainDBS co-founder is speaking about car history registries - https://blog.bigchaindb.com/how-automakers-can-use-blockchain-adab79a6505f.

I have one question for you - who can enter data into the nodes? Are common people and common car owners will be able to do this by themselves?

PewPew - It's amazing that you posted that article. We are in contact with a Bruce Pon from bigchainDB and working really hard that he would come to our advisor team.

Answering your question about permissions to entry data to the nodes: single person's and car owners won't have permission to write car data into the nodes. Just because person is not a trusted source.

Only insurance, claim handling, leasing companies, national registries, other trusted databases and API's, certified workshops and dealers, etc. will be able to write information into the nodes.

Thank you, its very interesting. Keep me updated with Bruce Pon. Can you tell me about how do you want to build relationships with advisors? What is cooperation conditions and etc?

It's a nice idea, by the way. It may help a lot car buyers and car sellers as well. I will you support project if you start it.

Thank you in advance :)

BTW, we got new interesting research from other huge companies, already start to work in this area. 
For example Bosh:

RU post https://bel.biz/trends/shtefan-hartung/
EN post https://www.ethnews.com/bosch-using-blockchain-technology-to-stop-illegal-mileage-manipulation

So, a lot of companies start to dig deeper in this area, and car history verification is still very exciting...

Blockchain about cars is a great project once finnished. Drivers can just look to it and verify. But the thing is, how can you prove some cars eligibility if its either true or false? Some sellers can make a fraud entry just to sell their car. So i think you need to have some checkers or miners to verify an account and manage blockchains.

Used cars tracking is important before repurchase because you need to know the history of
the car you are purchasing.These include year of manufacture,maintenance history,was it legally
moved from country of original purchase with evident documents to proof its customs legitimacy.