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So many people mention that holding coins is more profitable than trading.  If you trade, then its possible for you to make consistent income if you buy it low and sell at high.  But if you hold, then you don't make any money until you sell which could be a very long time.


The thing is aren't there coins that are more profitable to trade than hold and vice versa?  For example, i believe bitcoin is a coin to hold and not trade.  Because in the long run, if it keeps going up, you will profit.  If you keep buying when it dips then sell when it goes up, you make money but it seems a bit more work than holding it.  Do people agree or disagree?  The thing is people predict it will only go up.  So if it only go up, wouldn't that mean holding makes the most sense?  Now let say you buy it at a dip and then sell it when it goes back to the price after the dip.  Yes you make money but probably not that much because you need a lot of money to trade bitcoin if you want to make decent money.


But with altcoins... isn't buying it at dips and selling when it goes back probably a very good idea?  For example let say there is a coin that is 5 dollars or so.  You dont see this coin going up high in the future where it could go up like BTC or ETH.  You think the coin will stay around this price but maybe go max 15 dollars and just doesn't see it going 50 or more etc.  If thats the case, wouldn't these type of coins be the perfect coins to trade assuming these coin prices keep going between say 3 dollars and 12 dollars?  Because many times you notice many altcoins would go to 3 dollars then go back up to 6 dollars.  If you keep repeating it, wouldn't that be profitable as long as you don't sell for a loss?  The thing is what about altcoins that you think in the future could go up like ETH prices.  If thats the case, wouldn't those coins be great coins to hold?  Now if you buy these coins at dips and then sell them when it goes back up, yes you make money.  However imagine you bought 1000 coins of a coin at 3 dollars when it dip.  Then it goes back to 5.50.  Then you make a 2500 dollars or so etc.  Now let say it dips and goes back up many times and every time you do this you make 2k or so.  Thats great right?  However my thinking is if you think this coin could go up to 50 or 100 dollars, wouldn't trading it be bad idea because you could have bought 1000 shares and sold it many times where if you kept all those shares you make more money and less work etc?   


However i feel like trading could make you consistent money.  Holding... you dont make money until you sell for a profit.  Do people agree/disagree with this?  I believe the coins that you should hold for profit would be BTC and maybe ETH.  However, wouldn't majority of altcoins probably be best for trading if u dont see that coin ever hitting that high of a price.  Like the coin would hit max 10 dollars.  But most of the time be between 2-7 dollars etc?  Thus buy these coins when there is a huge dip...... then hold until it goes back up to possibly close to double the price or even 50 percent of the price and then sell for profit?  Because if u dont sell when price falls after you buy, you dont lose money.


However to those people that trade altcoins especially when buying it in dips, how long typically do you hold these coins to before selling it and locking in a profit?  Like if a coin drops from 3 dollars to 2 dollars in a huge dip.  If you buy it at 2 dollars, if it goes to 2.50 in a few days, do you just sell it?  Do you just sell it if it goes to 2.50 in the same day and cash in the profit?  Im curious how many trades a trade does a month on average to make any decent money.  If i had to take a guess, someone probably would need to buy at least 2-3 altcoins and buy a lot of shares like 1000+ minimum each time to lock in a profit when it price goes up right?  Of course you could buy a coin and it drops down and it takes weeks or even longer to go back up.  So how long do you traders hold before you sell it since you are daytrading? 


It seems simple to buy coins at huge dips and then sell them when prices go back.  So wouldn't it make sense certain coins are great for trading.  But certain coins are horrible for trading?  I don't really think there are many great coins to hold besides btc and ETH etc.  Does anyone here agree/disagree with this?  It seems like those altcoins that cost 25 dollars and less seem to be great options to buy during huge dips... then sell it once prices go back up but issue is you dont know how long it would take.  However, when was the last time a top 50 coin fell all the way down to almost nothing.  Does anyone know?  It seems like any coin in the top 25 that isn't btc or eth would be great to buy during dips right?  And it seems like during dips, doesn't it seem you could buy any altcoin in the top 25 since when btc goes up, all other altcoins seem to follow?  And when btc goes down, all altcoins seem to follow?  My thinking is during dips, it doesn't seem to really matter that much which altcoin you buy because when btc goes up, almost every altcoin does the same etc.


Does anyone here say certain coins are great to daytrade since they keep going from one price range to another price range but never gets higher than that?  Like if a coin drops to 2 dollars, then it almost always seem to go back to 3 dollars.  Thoughts on this? 

Alright. Main question: Is it better to hold or to trade?

This completely depends on YOU. Are you a good trader? Can you make consistent decent profit from trading? Are your predictions accurate? Do you like high risk, high reward due to bitcoin and cryptocurrencies' in general's volatility? Then go with day trading!

Do you like to play the long game? Do you like to invest in something but with lower risk? Do you like to relax or do something else and not stare at charts 24/7? Then go with holding! It's just simple as that.

There are some coins which are to be kept for long time. Like the price of Doge is now just 22satoshi.. i advice you to buy and hold Doge coins. Also there are othere coins like Lisk which delivers something to every user. If you want to trade then make sure to be active in exchange as which coin to buy and which coito be sold and when.. that depends on your presence.

for most people ,  hold is better than  trade,  I  lost many  chances  of getting rich because of  eth ,  neo   dump.  so  just  hold for  the future

i am agree with you several time i am buy coin low and after few days i am sell it.Now i am make decision to hold my coin for 1-2 years.Because I hope hold is gold..

I can't give you any advice on any specific coins, but I would assume that a coin is only good for day trading if there's enough volatility in that market.
Even then, it's not for everyone. By trading, you're automatically taking more risks than when you're just holding your coins as a long term investment.

But in some cases, you just want to sell and rebuy, even if you're generally holding coins for the long term.

A good example is the recent news and price drops of Bitcoin. I sold my coins after the news hit at around 4600 dollars and re-bought everything at around 3200 dollars.
So that was some quick and easy profit, since you could see the market move like that from miles away. 

Hi there.  Well my question is to trade or vs hold.  However the big difference is i think the main coins like BTC, ETH are better to hold.  But those altcoins are best to trade.  Thoughts on that?  For example look at lisk.  If you don't think this coin can ever hit say 25 dollars for example and it would always go between 2 and 10 dollars.. wouldn't it make sense to just buy it when it dips really low... then sell it once it gets very high?  But most importantly if these coins you don't see it ever going to like ETH prices?


However altcoins that you think could possibly be like ETH probably should be bought and hold instead?  Thus certain coins are better to hold?  Whereas certain coins are better to trade?


My thinking is BTC and ETH are definitely coins to hold.  But altcoins are great to trade if they keep dropping to 2 dollars then going back up to say 7 dollars and stay around that range.  Thoughts on that?

I prefer to hold. The main reason is I don't want to spend the time to write down what I bought, rate, date, etc. I don't want to follow the price every day or sometimes twice and more. I don't want to waste my time with this kind of thing. Why? Because if you buy a coin, that you believe in, and wait you will make the same profit maybe more (or less). Time saved, less stress, etc

It really depends on how much time (and skill/or time to learn a skill) you have, i've seen people using TA getting charts and coins that double or more, at least getting 20-30% out of each deal, now if i can get 30% in a few days by trading trading would definitely be better, but i don't have the charting skills or the time to learn, so i do with holding and trading on a fundamental basis for long term

What if you could let someone else trade for you instead of holding? A fund of sorts.

HOLDING and Short TRADING is very different strategies on making profit on exchange sites and it depends on the trader what are their skills but for me if you're a very professional traders and you can predict what happens on market in the next few days maybe you can do the short term trading because you will gain more profit in short term trading than long term if you're good on pradiciting in market movement and it depends on the coins if it has a high volume on 24hr and if the chart is wavy it is easy to Day trade but if you're not so much professional but if you know that coin has a potential to grow soon better to HOLD it for a few months and wait for a big pump but be careful if you feel that coin is going for retracement better to sell it all and buy it on the dip.

i prefer to hold long term. i am buying and sending to wallet then i am not following that token's prices etc.. i will not sell till to my target.

You're thinking about this wrong. The majority of active traders won't make anything. You "might" make money if you trade, but you "will" make money if you're patient and hold. Crypto moves fast, not making money for a "very long time" is measured in months, not decades.

I think everyone's strategy is going to vary based on what they want to accomplish.  To me, trading would damn near be a full time job ... while investing is looking for fairly passive gains.  You can build a pretty solid portfolio of holdings without leaving the top 25 in market cap, and still buy on the dips to increase returns.  And from what I've seen, a simple strategy like that is blowing the doors off traditional investments.  Now, that's not to say that past returns will keep up at the same pace, but for me, it was certainly worth the risk to throw some money into the pool and diversify into a new asset class.

And I get why people want to find a great ICO or take a risk on a low market cap coin that's getting pumped, looking for that 100X gain.  I reserve a small percentage of portfolio for that, too.  But the core of my portfolio are cryptos that I buy with the intention of holding indefinitely.

The thing is people are applying different strategy for it. Some of them will hold those coins which are worth holding by that what I mean is people will research the coins which are going to be hiked in their prices in the near future and making the holder profits by increased value and margins. That's actually a good strategy to follow as you will get bigger window to sell your coin from the initial point of purchase.


That's the different story for the trading. If you trade on the platform then you are going live and making things happen immediately, with blink of an eye the coin might be increasing in its value or might be devaluating there. So you have to keep an eye over the market which in long term need not be necessary to watch over continuously. It depends people to people how they wanna go with it.

For long-term trading I just hold Bitcoin. For altcoin for me, it is better to trade in the short term. Because altcoin is very risky to hold unless ETH and Waves.

For day trading i usually choose the coins which have less volume. These are pump and dump coins.
For long term trading i choose eth-waves-clam-xmr these are more stable then others.

It all depends on the coins structure and function! If you have a coin with a masternode function and want to aim for that, hodl! If you see a potential pump you obviously trade it as high as u can :)

I think holding is way better than trading as in trading, you have to face the risks of market everyday and crypto market is highly volatile so chances of loss are high. You should hold coins like ethereum, neo and litecoin. Bitcoin is the most essential coin to hold as it is the crypto with highest potential

It depends on your goal. If you are aiming for a short term profit, of course the best way is to trade your coins but it is very risky. I don't advise it for newbies in cryptocurrency to do unless they have experiences in local stock market because they already know the basics. Still, be careful because the market in Bitcoin is 5 times riskier than the local stock market. If your goal is for long term, it is much better to hold your coins and wait a few years before you sell it (of course if the price is much higher).

i think you should trade and hold, trade is make you have experience and understand more clearly about btc and altcoins ^^...if you hold on without surfing, you will not succsess on the coin electronic way

i always say holding altcoins is not at all a good strategy let alone be a good idea but still so many people prefer that. so i guess it can be based on what you think works for you. if you can make profit by holding altcoins and have experience in it already then do it. for example if you held a dozen altcoins for long term multiple times and made profit then maybe that works!

but for me, i prefer trading them. i don't want to take the huge risks of holding an altcoin just to get dumped on or be left hoping for a rise that will never come. although i have exceptions about coins that i really like for example Byteball. but the rest of them i just dump as fast as possible.

The coins which are suitable for trading are the ones which show huge volatility. This will give the traders an opportunity to buy and sell the coins. Similarly the coins suitable for holding are the ones that show less volatile. If you want to ask which is best between the two, then this totally depend on your skills. I personally prefer holding because that is safer.

Currently market is immensely red and i think trade has to be done very carefully.I am doing day trading with my BTC,ETH,NEO,ADA,BCH,XLM.I have been very successful in my day trading.Also i am holding these coins in my crypto list.I am involve in both day trading and holding and both are very beneficial for me.

 I have some criteria for that, if I feel that the project is perspective in long-term, I would go for a holding with it. But if I see that the project is oriented only on pump and dump, I will go for a trading until it would be there.

For now it is better to trade than do hold, because with a trend that is going down this will take a long time for the coin can reach the original price. Trading with a scalping system to get a small but consistent profit target, rather than holding back for big profits but having to hold for a long time.

If I had enough free funds, I would invest them in EOS - this coin has an extremely huge potential and a growth prospect of at least two times before the end of this year. And in the future I even am afraid to guess what profit it can bring for its tokenholders!  :o

Bitcoin is a long-term investment opportunity, surely trading it would at least seem weird. The same holds for all the top coins, I think, because eventually they will become something big and so why waste time on trading instead of simply waiting for the right moment. What is good about trading is that you have monthly income out of it. However, trading is a lot harder than investing, because you have to see the dips and highs not just on hindsight. Plus, it should be at least a part-time job with hours spent on it every day. Moreover, trading can make you addicted to it, so you'll keep bringing money into the process and indulge to your emotions.

That is depend on what you have and your capability of work, if are good in trading or you can hold for long time but be sure that you have the right coin so that your effort will not waste.

While some people will want to choose one over the other, I would like to think that doing both is a great idea, and quite a good way to earn, especially if you know your way around both. If you see a coin that meets your criteria and has potential, you might want to consider investing in it, and hodling it for a long term, meanwhile there are some coins that are good , but are not worthy of long term investments, so you might want to consider trading with those coins.

For me i think using some tricks i can still do the both ok let me share this opinion to you for example i trade with 500$ after some days that particular coin raise up my 500$ turn to 600$ i can use 400$ to invest and use the other for home purposes but i think it can work if only the coin have a good value but when the coin worth nothing your 500$ might come down to 200$ that's the risk in trading sso please is this decision of mine good or bad.

Thats all depend in your decision mate, but for me I would be preferably go on holding the alts, because mostly of the alts are developed through months or years and so there value as well.

it's completely on the person if he or she wants to hold or trade trading is a dynamic process where the money is constantly circulated while if someone holds the money is stagnant it depends on the persons view how he or looks at it and how patient one is

From my point of view, you will be succeed in trading only if you have experience and knowledge for this sphere. Holding is more universal way to earn money and it could be done even by new participants of the cryptocurrency market. I support the idea of holding because of its minimizing risks.

Some of them are good for trading and others are good for holding. For example, I think that Eth and Btc will be good for holding even in accordance to the real deal.

maybe I agree with your statement.
I also prefer holding an altcoin other than daily trading.
because daily trading is more risky if it is wrong to analyze it.

daily trading can also be profitable but i can not follow the market every second beccause i dont have that much time. i have to spend time with my family and for my job. so i prefer to  invest for long term only.

Coin to trade and coin to hold how to the different between then you have to be patience and try to gather a lot of information about the project well. Becouse it is risky to sell while to hold also. If you are about to hold token make sure it was low in market exchange and secondly confirm wheather it gonna rise later. Hence to sell it also depen on market issue

This depends on your personal investment goals. I think that trading coins with huge potential will not be sold easily, but instead choose to hold them. I think long-term holdings can bring me more lucrative benefits, of course. You can also choose to sell as long as you have a profit.

Trade can be very profitable, but it has its own risks. Hold can be very damaging if it is in a downward trend. It is also useful to do the right thing at the right time. But you have to say that you should always take your profit at the right time.

It is necessary to remember that if you started to hold cryptocurrency 6 years ago, now you would be a millionaire and a whale of cryptomarket. After all, it is the holding that has brought the greatest profits to many people.

The choice of hodl or to trade depends on many factors. If the project very good in the long term and you trust in it, then hodl is an excellent option. But if the project didn't become interesting to you and you don't see in it prospects that needs to be sold coins. Also a lot of things depend on a situation in the market, everything is the best of all to keep in BTC now, it is steadier.

It all depends on you and your destination when joining Crypto. Each person joining dicrypto is to get profit. Withstanding short or long term, the goal is to be able to sell at a high price and make a profit. Likewise with trading.

Whether it is hodl or trading, the purpose is to make money. So it all depends on your own judgment, you can't say which method is better. If you can use both methods flexibly, then I think it is the best.

Holding is the best way to increase and see your asset will growing up, but some time by trading is the faster way how get and take much profit with our investment money. many trader like and try to make investment by short time to take much profit.

It depends on your decision. If you like long-term holding, then I don't recommend you to trade during the day, because the risk of day trading is huge. I think long-term holding is to minimize the risk.

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Very difficult to comment accurately on this. Obviously you do not realise profit until you sell. Timing is everything. You need an incentive to HODL your coins. Believing in the coin and the future of the crypto world in general is a great reason, but some coins are just destined to fail. The market is quite saturated with various coins with no long term prospect. As with any investment, you need to go into it knowing what you want out of it. BTC is a great long term investment because it is the standard, will always be there and is the most well known. Smaller coins are better for short term gains.

I think that right now, the best thing to do is to hodl your coins. I feel like it is a bit risky to be doing some tradings now because of how unstable the market is at this point. Anyways, if you are  looking towards doing some tradings, I think that you should go for coins that their volatility rates are not so high, and one whose market condition you have thoroughly studied in the past weeks. This will give a better insight into trading the coin.

What coins are good to trade?

What coins are good to hold?

So far, we need to see coins that have USDT pair than BTC or ETH pair. I ever join to one token that have only USDT pair and yes it give a stable price than others. So it doesnt make pump or dump price and no manipulaton.

It is possible to dream as much as necessary. If all of us knew that there will be a high price, then would buy tokens right now. But because nobody knows future price and huge money on cryptocurrency is earned.

yes, no one will know, of course, crypto prices will increase the price to how high, and for a while or a long time, it could be an increase or decrease in crypto prices, to choose a coin that is good for us to save for a long time, I prefer bitcoin .

You don't make money by holding consistently but you make much when its time to start selling the coins you held.

Doge, ETH, USDT.

Bitcoin, ETH as well.

I think to distinguish them both trading will make use of your skills and knowledge for you to be able to earn in an hourly or daily basis and in Holding you will be using your patience, time and trust for a year or 2 or even more for worth waiting profits.

Keeping in the long term has never been more profitable than trading, especially if you are engaged in daily trading, but if we talk about security, then investing in the long term is more secure.

I agree  with you depends on the capability of people, holding and trading are the choices both are profitable and best ways to earn profits, the most important here is skills and patience are key of success.

For me if you have enough capital for trading then why not trade? In our current situation now hodl is too risky. We are now crypto educated and I'm sure we can distinguished which token will have a potential in the future. Never compare the crypto before and now. Learn basic trading fundamental and if you have enough capital for investment don't be afraid to trade but always trade wisely. Those people who HODL is afraid of losing money but they don't know that they already lose it.

A good coin to trade is Bitcoin and that's why I always HODL Bitcoin on the Exchange wallet.
The long-term HODL is Ethereum, and I have purchased Ethereum at a price of 180 USD.

If an expert in trade then this could be producing. but when merely want to trade just so it is not recommended to it because in trade needs to be many aspects that must be considered in order that it can at least have a constant income every time. the investment will be more secure to do even though it takes a long time.

Between trading and holding, I choose holding. Trading is very hard work, in my opinion only a specially trained computer or robot can cope with it.

Now is the right time to hold, but to hold clever!
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Both are good it is better that you do trading while you are hodling a coin so that you can double your earning if you do only one then your earning will not be that big and if you lose in trading then you will not earn but if you do both then if you lose you can still earn. There is something that you get.

I think right now we should focus more on holding instead of trading. The market is just at the beginning of a change so it is better to not be risky with trading.

In my opinion ethereum is one of the holding coins. I am holding ethereum and I think it would be a shame to trade it because it is not worth selling it right now

You can focus with any of them and depends on your interest.

If the interest is on holding, then obviously you've got to keep on holding but if your purpose is to generate some small profits then you can do it with trading. Usually when the bear market is on,you have better chance to take those coins into hold that you never bought before because they are cheaper.

There are so many coins doing very great on the market even with the current market situations. I think the best thing to do now is to trade in coins with potentials.

The eternal question to hold or sell, how many more topics will be created on the forum dedicated to this issue. When the super computer is created, or God will come down to earth, the first question I ask will be: Trade or Hold?

This is just an idea or inquiry so we wil give what we can share about, what to hold or what to sell cryptos , for me I will sell all my rewards tokens from the bounty campaign  I am participating and the proceeds of this sells which are the ethereum , bitcoin ,ripple coins in the exchange or tradings sites are this coins that I am going to hold for the future.

You can even trade with a small balance and increase several times a month. Unless of course be able to wait and analyze orders for the purchase and sale. This year, it is sometimes better not to wait for the miracle pump of the coin in which you sit and start trading right now and then take profits. There is definitely all hands on trading on the exchanges.

Just don't put everything in one coin. I can not sell NEO for two months. For the Stoks trading normally.

That is always the idea of trading actually. You are using the market fluctuation to make more profit which in this case can be spread to your holdings to increase them for the long term. However, when it comes to coins to hold, I believe no one should be holding coins that do not have future as that is what I refer to as bag holding shit coins.

You want to be looking at coins you are so certain will be useful in real life and will grow accordingly in that aspect in the long term. This is the thing that would make the value increasing to become sustainable in the long run and then you enjoying the benefit of holding for the long term.

It's always better to invest your coins in projects like ETH Revolution, than to hold

There are decisive factors in two options. trading with graphics reading, research, analysis and crypto experience can be a more advantageous option. Holding long term also will provide much better advantage.

Good one ! altcoin is just best for a short period of time to hodl,too many shitcoins out there that are not worth to hodl,for me coin to hodl for future are BTC and ETH.

if you look at current market prices, I think it's better to be arrested. because if it's traded the results are also far from the sales target that I specified earlier.

I would say that you should hold coins with potential like ETH, ADA, NEO, EOS, QKC, IOTA and some others... And trade on coins like LTC, DOGE, XRP - look at their graphs, they are pumped and dumped periodically. There are many opportunities to trade here when you see the whole picture.

Its completely depend on how much risk you can take. Trading is always risk because its not compulsory that market will move or coins' price will move as expected. If price moves down when you buy at higher price, you have to hold it until it reaches at least to buy price to cover losses. But if you can take risks, you can sell with loss and move on with trading.
Second point is, to trade the coins, we need to keep ourselves up to date with current market situation and other factors which can affect the market or coin's value. And to do this we need lot of time. So these points we should consider while taking the decision.
On the other hand, holding the coin is nothing but the investment. We can just relax and can watch to price movement until our expectations.
Of course, the point is we don't know in how much time our holding(investment) will take to give gain as desire.

I think it is more logical to trade if you can. But if you are losing control over the periods of losing hold a more sensible option. So I think it is totally dependent on your character.

If you are often at the computer, why not engage in trading, hold it is boring. :)

There are so many people who are good in day trading.
But beware of those group of pump and dump in telegram.
Those admins are the first to buy and first to dump.
Make sure you are not last in line.

Holding is good if the token has a great project and good future.

You better look on the trading site because there are lots of coin in the market that is better for trading that the trading site can answer, and a coin to hold are those utility coin and the coin that is not done their roadmap yet.

If you can't trade specific coin properly better to hold it for getting profit later. Holding is not strategy but new traders choose to sit tight with hold instead of liquidating in case of losses. Bitmex is best platform for trading with leverage and getting more profit with smart decisions.

At this time, when the market was red, I realized that through articles and books about the market. I concluded that this is the best time to buy and hold it as a long-term investment

Ten times out of ten, trading a coin is much more profitable especially in this volatile crypto market, you would be increasing the number of tokens you have while holding just keeps the value constant.

Look, I would trade for a part of portfolio and for other part of portfolio I would prefer hold strategy. You can earn with trading, but with holding you will gain much more money.
On a bull run you can short being a trader and your portfolio got liquidated

Depending on the needs of each individual, some like to trade to make a profit because they have skills in reading charts of price movements from year to year, some are happy to hold their assets in the hope that in the future the assets they hold will be many times fold the price.

If you can trade and are doing it good, then I would start trading. Because it is not so simple as just holding your crypto and the risks are much bigger. I prefer to hold them and save a lot of my time, because I simply cannot trade  ;D

all depends on each individual passion I guess. Because there are some who are impatient if they have to hold coins longer for example if they have got a 20% profit then they take it, and then buy again and wait for a low price. or indeed if you are strong to hold a coin, a holder is better to be your choice. the point is that holders use safe money, not your main money.

Tgis vs reult would depend from many things like trading skills market situation and etc so if you are not good trader better hold as at the end there can be result where from 1000$ usd you have only 10 $ and belive me its possible if you arent prof. i tried some time and understood its not mine better work and keep them until market recover,its my opinion.

if you are good at trading, you can try to trade, but this requires experience

It is your decision i believe. But if you know how to trade it would be better for you. I mean you have to follow the project and you need to find the right time. There are more than 2.500 tradable coins in the exchanges right now and all coins have their own milestones. I usually follow the milestones times and if the project goes well i would buy their coins. I think the Hodling needs to be with large investments, if you invest like $500 you can't Hodl it would be meaningful.