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There is a lot of ignorance on the board.


To whom it may concern:

You need to learn patience.
You need to learn not to play this game if you can't afford to lose the money.
You need to learn that right now, you've only given mtgox 1 week to secure a site from every hacker in the world. Hackers have broken security to the CIA, CITI bank, the UK census, Arizona police department, Sony, and others. To advocate opening mtgox before they're ready is the most ignorant idea conceived.
You need to learn that if mtgox fails a second time, your money will not just be suspended; you will have a 0% chance of getting it back.
You need to learn that human labor is 10^9 slower than current computer processors.
You need to learn that if your account got rejected, you didn't provide enough proof for them to reasonably verify you. If a hacker were to apply and mtgox grant them access to your account with the same information, you'd throw a bitch fit. Be thankful that they scrutinize your account information to such a high degree.

Please, if you don't understand the internet or life in general, please read a book to understand the internet and then educate yourself on life in general by using the internet.

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So there are other reasonable people here.

If anyone is so pissed they want to sell their mtgox account to me, let me know. I'll purchase your account, I have faith in them.

You can have mine...there's nothing in it.

The irony is so incredible, I just can't handle it.  Thank you gEnIuSXXXXbOi!

Good advice, GeniuSxBoY. Except for maybe this last part:

I think we already have a lot of people who have used the internet to learn about life. We need more people to learn about life from turning off the computer and going outside once in awhile!  :D

I'm (slightly) kidding, Internet. You know I love you!

If you use the Internet to learn about life you are a big http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Lannister/man-boobs.jpg

I think we have a lot of kids that frequent these boards :(

I agree with OP completely. We are all very used to moving at the speed of the net and having most of information we need at a moments notice immediately. But we cannot forget that things that break need time to be fixed and improved upon. I've not once considered MtGox to be the enemy of bitcoin and the Sunday's event did nothing to change my opinion. They are a victim of this even very much like everyone else that are eagerly awaiting to log back on to trade. They also would like you to get on and trade because it is how they make revenue. I'm sure the delay isn't caused by any greed on their part for obvious reasons. We as a community need to be patient and supportive when major infrastructure of bitcoin such as MtGox suffers damage from outside attackers.

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GeniuSxBoY excellent !!! Every word.

- I think the louder they have scream, the less their BTC/USD Balance is.
- I hope they go to tradehill to make their micky-mouse game there.

Thank you!  This had to be said.

*clap, clap, clap,clap, clap* 8)
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A week is still probably a bit short to implement a full enough rollback to restart trading, they couldnt possibly validate enough accounts. But besides that the main problem was that they first said 48 hours, and then postponed it day after day after day, these are timeframes that they themselves set, not anyone else. I'd be surprised if there arent even more time delays. They should have announced realistic times to get this operation completed to begin with.

This is true, but we don't need the 45 pages of bitching about it.  It's not constructive, and it lowers the usefulness of these forums.  Repeating something over and over is less effective than saying it clearly once.  You have made the point well.  Let us agree that MtGox needs to work on their time estimates and not let this thread degrade into another bitch fest.

We've been plenty patient. We've checked mtgox every day, and every day there is a new excuse for why they have to delay the opening just one more day.

You won't be playing this game for long if you think it's ok to lose money without a fight either.

No, I've given them one more day every day for almost a week. They've never asked for a week, they always ask for just one more day.

Why were they open a week ago if they can find so many things to fix now?

You need to learn the difference between knowledge and pulling numbers out of you @ss.

They need to learn to tell their users which information is mandatory, especially when it's pretty useless compared to the information the user has already submitted.

But then they don't. They auto reject claims with extremely good information and accept claims with mediocre information.

They don't have to ask at all. You understand that, right? They own and control the site.
Whether you give them 1 day or 100 days, the site being up doesn't depend on what variable you or they believe is correct.

The variable we are waiting for is whether the site is secure. If they don't think the site is secure, they are not going to open it.

You can be pissed off or relaxed, rude or polite, your emotions aren't going to change the site being up or down.

I quote genius!

It's still my money, and I don't really care if the site is up or not. I just want my money, and they have all the information they need to send them to me. It's the same as for all the previous transactions. If you sit and wait silently for 100 days you're just stupid, because if it takes that long it's because they've taken the money and run away. This has already taken suspiciously much time, and I'm certainly not going to give them a 100 day head start.

Also fully agree with genius. I have made an transaction to my bank account 2 days before the sell off happens. The money did still not arrive. But before i start the 1000'th hate post against MtGox i wait till there service is up and working again. I think than i have better chances to start an complain about the delay. At the moment i think the guys do not know what to do first and when to get some sleep ;)

as GeniuSxBoY says it very very clear - You can be pissed off or relaxed, rude or polite, your emotions aren't going to change the site being up or down.


Yes its your money - who cares? Me not !

But you can be glad that mtgox cares it in a very responsible way - yes he did.


It is your own risk sending money all over the world to a tiny company sitting in japan. Take it or leave it.

I took the same risk by sending money to japan. As it happend i thought, ok. Its a small company, i knew the risk before. So i dont have to cry like a baby now.
- Thats so ridiculous and infantile you react. Because IT CHANGES NOTHING. ITS MTGOX SIDE. THEY DECIDE WHEN ITS SECURE AGAIN. NOT YOU OR ME. OR YOUR LOUDNESS.

I made the following comic just for this thread. I think it sums ups what all the rational people are thinking about the whole Mtgox situation:

http://imgur.com/js4mA.png

 ;D ;D ;D

This, I believe, is the attitude that will have multitudes rushing towards the door.

Live and learn.

I can probably take the loss much easier than most people on this forum, but it's nice to know that we don't have to share the money with too many people if it turns out we'll have to go to a lawsuit to get anything back.

OP, somehow this one does not fit in with the others. I'm sure you are smart enough to see why?   ;)

Life is learnt by living, not with the internet.
The only access to the world it's not the computer, it is your door.

Geniuses, I'll quote a dialogue from Good Will Hunting:

[ Will was behaving like a smartass, who doxed, researched and profiled his therapist Sean (Robin Williams), and mindfucked him after figuring out by cold-reading that his wife is dead after watching a painting ]

Sean: Thought about what you said to me the other day. About my painting.
Will: Oh
Sean: Stayed up half the night thinking about it. Something occurred to me. I fell into a deep, peaceful sleep and haven't thought about you since. You know what occurred to me?
Will: No
Sean: You're just a kid. You don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.
Will: Why, thank you.
Sean: It's all right. You've never been out of Boston.
Will: Nope
Sean: So if I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny... on every art book ever written. Michelangelo? You know a lot about him. Life's work, political aspirations. Him and the pope. Sexual orientation. The whole works, right? I bet you can't tell me what it smells like in the Sistine Chapel. You never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. Seeing that. If I ask you about women, you'll probably give me a syllabus of your personal favorites. You may have even been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what it feels like to wake up next to a woman... and feel truly happy. You're a tough kid. I ask you about war, you'd probably ah throw Shakespeare at me, right? "Once more into the breach, dear friends." But you've never been near one. You've never held your best friend's head in your lap... and watched him gasp his last breath lookin' to you for help. If I asked you about love, you'd probably quote me a sonnet, but you've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable. Known someone that could level you with her eyes. Feelin' like God put an angel on Earth just for you, who could rescue you from the depths of hell. And you wouldn't know what it's like to be her angel, to have that love for her be there forever. Through anything. Through cancer. And you wouldn't know about sleepin' sittin' up in a hospital room... for two months, holding her hand, because the doctors could see in your eyes... that the terms "visiting hours" don't apply to you. You don't know about real loss, 'cause that only occurs when you love something more than you love yourself. I doubt you've ever dared to love anybody that much. I look at you. I don't see an intelligent, confident man. I see a cocky, scared shitless kid. But you're a genius, Will. No one denies that. No one could possibly understand the depths of you. But you presume to know everything about me because you saw a painting of mine. You ripped my fuckin' life apart. You're an orphan, right? Do you think that I'd know the first thing about how hard your life has been - how you feel, who you are - because I read Oliver Twist? Does that encapsulate you? Personally, I don't give a shit about all that, because - You know what? I can't learn anything from you... I can't read in some fuckin' book. Unless you wanna talk about you, who you are. And I'm fascinated. I'm in. But you don't wanna do that, do you sport? You're terrified of what you might say. Your move, chief.

I'm still afraid to post for fear of getting flamed from all directions. The OP helps a little.
Its really odd seeing threads meltdown over such things. I'm afraid that I were, for example, to say how I went about sopmething, i would get half of the people in the forums yelling, "YER DOIN IT WRONG." And then have people yell at the people yelling. And so forth. Makes me not want to post seeing all the irrationality here.

I was getting a bit annoyed reading all the comments also...how can you flame a company for not doing enough to be secure and at the same time complain that they are taking too long.  It seems pretty stupid...I feel for those who have money in the exchange...I know it sucks but what should they do just reopen and let any possible hackers using your poorly chosen passwords to log in.

Anyone can get hacked...these last few months in the news have shown that...its what they do about it afterwards that is important...I think from what I have read Mt.Gox is taking steps in the right direction.  Remember, it hasn't even been a week yet.

Welcome natman,
Do you know much of that is people intentionally trying to degrade the forum?
There are still good threads if you look around.

Man, that's disgraceful!  And he's just a kid.

It's the lack of professionalism that's got me worried.  The whole "one more day" thing has gotten old.  Just say you don't know, give a date you can actually meet, or stfu.

 

Pushing the date back continuously may be a nuisance, but it happens and is beyond the control of anybody in any project.

For example:

You say you can build a house in 30 days. The homeowner is stoked. The first day on the job, you order the materials. The materials arrive three days later, but they send you the wrong supplies. You call and they send the correct supplies. That is a 3 day delay on top of your initial 3 day delay, so it's day 6 and you haven't even started working on the house. The day your correct materials come, there is a hurricane that lasts several days. Now you're behind 6 more days, 12 total, because you can't pour a foundation on wet ground.

Moral of the story: No matter how professional your company is, there is no way on Earth you can predict the unpredictable. If you build the house in 90 days, you take 90 days. You're still professional, and the homeowner has no right to complain that you didn't finish the job in 30 days like you initially predicted.

Only when conditions are perfect can one accurately describe and deliver a promise time.

Balogny. When the depth of the shit hole becomes obvious enough (and by god it has), you stop exacerbating the problem by publicizing dates you have no clue whether you can make. It completely destroys confidence. Not to mention inconveniencing thousands who repeatedly have to make times on their schedules for the next announced launch . . . and I imagine that's not such an easy thing to do when it's 3:00 am in Europe.

The problems will be fixed when they get fixed. I understand that. I have no problem with that. But for god's sake these guys need to shut the eff up until they are absolutely 100% certain they will be able to meet the expectations they are creating with these relaunch dates.

Mt Gox. told you exactly why the site hasn't come back yet. They're not beating around the bush here. There are mismatches between the old database and the new database. This could have been caused by anything. To find this particular bug in the code, they'll most likely have to read the code line-by-line to figure out where the error occurred.  If you've ever debugged coding, you'd know it could take as little as 1 minute to fix if you've seen the error before or have an idea where the program went wrong... to several DAYS to figure out what's going on when it appears everything is correct but you know something is wrong. 

So far the problems that have been pushing the release time back have been converging to an endpoint, not diverging. When the problems begin to diverge away from the endpoint, that's when you begin to worry. If you don't know what convergence and divergence is, please research it using the Internet before you reply.

You are overreacting and failing to put the situation in perspective.