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UPD 06-02-2013
OK, I'm willing to lower the price even if you order one piece is $ 4,000 and if you order 2 to 5 pcs(2,3,4) price $ 3,800 if you are ordering from 5 to 10 pcs(5,6,7,8,9,10) price of $ 3200 is final and will not be changed. The price is valid only if you come and collect in person. NO shipping. Or if you want me to keep them enabled in my house and pay you a profit from mining once a week minus my fee 7%. You just might change your mind, come and pick them up in person.


You need to understand, that MetaBank can fool me. In this case, I do not guarantee a refund. This exchanger there for about a year but I do not know anything about his honesty. They refused to make the contract, and said that it is at your own risk. But they provide a guarantee if I buy them Bitcoins, they kept me (bitcoins on my local machine). But I do not have a right to spend it. When they make the device, I'll have to send that amount Bitcoin them, in which case they will be given a device to me. It will have no effect on the court in the case of fraud. Because there is no contract with them. Russian court recognizes only the written paper contract. I can not sue the claim unit or refund at MetaBank, if they will take back my deposit but will not give me the device.

Sincerely, NaimaOnline

Hello! Sorry for the translation.

Today opened the process of receiving pre-orders in the company of MetaBank in Russia

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183368.0
https://metabank.ru/asic

Just specify that it is a real 120Gh physical devices. At least they say.
According to them, devices will be available in Moscow in August-October.



I offer intermediary services for English-speaking users.

They provide a guarantee. To do this, there are 2 options (You can only select one):

1) You click on a link (https://metabank.ru/asic), letter arrives at your mail, you click on a link from a letter, you choose the number of pieces and pay the exact amount of Bitcoins. You can request a refund Bitcoins. Regardless of the exchange rate, this is exactly the number of Bitcoins you pay. BUT! This amount is always kept with them! (the risk of being hacked or something like that)

2) You click on a link (https://metabank.ru/buy), then buy them  Bitcoins (these methods: wmr or wmz or qiwi or yad, bank transfer becomes available on Monday) paste your empty (no history) BTC-wallet in which they are enrolled paid Bitcoins to this address. Then send them a letter explaining that you want to spend these Bitcoins to pay Bitfuri and precise method by which you paid. These Bitcoins are stored in your wallet as collateral. When the devices are made, you send them the exact amount from the purse. And getting devices.
(oh my god, how difficult it is to translate)




I offer intermediary services for English-speaking users. (try it, if interesting)

Many of you will not want to go to Moscow to get the device. There will also be having problems with your order due to language difficulties. As well MetaBank has no service of world shipping. Only Russia.

I can provide a choice of either all at once::

1) Install them in my office and pay you profit from mining -15% -7% my fee.
2) Send your package devices (for international mail). I can even disassemble and send to you in the form of separate fragments.
3) You can always come to me and personally pick up from me in person already paid devices.
upd 4) World shiping are included, with guarantee "(second attempt another post in disassembled form, if you can prove that the parcel is not reached, for example, the track number is shown that, in addition to insurance package.)"

Frankly, I do not like the option to pledge when coins are on their website. I like the option where a charge will remain in my purse.

Attention! I have no idea about the intentions MetaBank, I can not guarantee their honesty, I do not take any responsibility for the risks associated with MetaBank, Bitfury, etc..  and other third parties. You invest at your own risk!


My price: more than double and equal  $ 5,000 (five thousand dollars) per 120 Gh mining rig

In Bitcoins by exchange rate of MTGOX at the time of payment (please specify)
Or, if you selected a storage lien in my purse, then specify an e-currency in which you are willing to pay.

Please specify which method you would like to pledge that I would use when ordering. Also, the number of pieces. And other details.

Please contact me at naimaonline@ymail.com or PM

I apologize for the extra words, I have never engaged in similar business, suggestions and criticisms are welcome.

You should have read the FAQ before you post. https://metabank.ru/asic (https://metabank.ru/asic)



Q: How will you ship to regions and other countries?
A: We will use verified courier services, not Russian post. There is no delivery to other countries.


That means they will not ship to outside of Russia.

This is the meaning of my proposal: You pay me the money, I order from them, get and send to you. Translate please, I will correct the headline.. Or I pay mined as dividends. And you can always pick up the devices.

FAQ

>you are charging $5000 total (~39 BTC) to buy and ship the ASIC to anywhere in the world?

YES

>Are you asking for immediate payment?

YES

>Do you know approximately how many units have already been ordered from Metabank?

NO, They shall not disclose such information

>Are you asking for immediate payment?

immediate I mean paying me. The deposit will be kept by me in Bitcoins. I can arrange that the pledge will be kept in your Wallet.

5k - expensive? Contact me to clarify what conditions. And please use easy English. Thank you.

Do you guarantee delivery of a product or full refund? If not, you're breaking a hell of a lot of laws.

Naima.  Your offer is appreciated - however - the 2x price is excessive for posting equipment to outside of Russia.


Can you explain why 2x?

Well i may use this guy, a lot cheaper than you. All i see here is greed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=222494.0

It would be cheaper to fly over there and pick one up in person.

I'm ready to go to snuff this out...  Forum?

I keep trying to add them to the chart, but as I look around all of their details seem strange.

Why is the first price always mentioned the $18/GH?  The actual machine cost always looks like it was added as an afterthought.
The listed power consumption says .7W/GH.  Wouldn't that be 1428 MH/W?  That would be over 1400% higher than the others in the market.  Again, difficult to find the actual spec here.
There was a warranty situation that was completely incredible.  They say that since then lawyers have gotten involved and told them this was unreasonable.  Now no protection is given to consumer.
They are taking money for preorders.
August is very soon to be putting out a miner that is so fast, cheap, and power saving.  Everything seems too good to be true.  They did have someone come in and say they've been working on it for a year already, though.

I can't add this manufacturer until some of these questions are answered.  Even then the preorder status set to GOGOGO makes me question them.  If you are the go between naima53, I would appreciate it..  otherwise I will try some google translator in a couple days :)

profiteer  :o

here is work comes up on their order page:

Pre-order Bitfury ASIC

Satisfied by: 0 Gh / s
The deposit amount: 0.0000 BTC




The present value of gigahesh: $ 18 ($ 2,160 per 120 Gh / s) Add to pre-order

x 120 = 120 Gh / s Partial payments are not supported. gigaheshi score will be added to the operator on the next working day. 1. Bitcoin Payment Please send 17.0981 BTC on 13naazMJSMNJBB1Ecf7eYgSAZLKV3EwzXx 2. Payment fiatnymi money Translate 2160.00 $ ( 69357.60 RUB) on the exchange, and then send it to bitcoin@metabank.ru the date and method of purchase, as well as a Bitcoin address. In the subject line write "Pre-order ASIC 13naazMJSMNJBB1Ecf7eYgSAZLKV3EwzXx". Purchased by MetaBank Bitcoins are collateral for pre-order at the conditions: 1. Bitcoin address must be unique and not previously used. 2. This email should arrive Bitcoins just bought on metabank.ru 3. At this address should not be spending operations (write-offs). Under these conditions, collateral Bitcoins are changing on the device immediately prior to shipment. Pledge is the entire amount sent to the exchange, with the exchange rate and commission Bitcoin exchanger does not matter. return on the purchased Bitcoins are stored you have not done. If you are unable to provide a safe long-term storage Bitcoins, you can use your address for storage MetaBank 13naazMJSMNJBB1Ecf7eYgSAZLKV3EwzXx.


The shadiness continues !

Hey Naima, is shipping (to Canada) included in the $5000 price? or additional?

LOL, as if whatever laws you speak of are going to extend into Russia.

yes


no

yes, so 2 times more expensive (second attempt another post in disassembled form, if you can prove that the parcel is not reached, for example, the track number is shown that, in addition to insurance package.)

no, but you can request (and get) a refund BEFORE I get the device.

If you too much, you can leave my device, I agree to a price of $ 4,500 and is willing to pay the income from mining minus 7% of my fee,no one will not offer you a cheaper. Besides, you can always come to me and personally pick up this unit from my home. BUT world shipping is NOT INCLUDED

EDIT

MetaBank said (the message in the forum, too hard to find) that after post-test wafers (Early June) may increase the price (in the case of successful testing), you need to decide quickly.

One more point. I do not know the laws of the United States and other countries, possibly at the time of receiving the package you need to pay the tax for that package.

If you say the value/cost of the device/box is $2160, then the USA and Canada will require taxes (14% in BC = $300) and customs (who knows, $200?). So, around $500 is to be expected.

So you are buing preorders for 2100 and selling them for 5000, only because you live in russia?
Why is that?

Because he can and maybe because there will be people that will pay that amount of money.

Because MetaBank does not send out of the country. Maybe they are afraid of corruption and harassment of officials, there is very rotten system based on bribes and personal acquaintances. Since they are a public company and not an individual person.

OK, I'm willing to lower the price even if you order one piece is $ 4,000 and if you order 2 to 5 pcs price $ 3,800 if you are ordering from 5 to 10 pcs price of $ 3200 is final and will not be changed. The price is valid only if you come and collect in person. NO shipping. Or if you want me to keep them enabled in my house and pay you a profit from mining once a week minus my fee 7%. You just might change your mind, come and pick them up in person.


You need to understand, that MetaBank can fool me. In this case, I do not guarantee a refund. This exchanger there for about a year but I do not know anything about his honesty. They refused to make the contract, and said that it is at your own risk. But they provide a guarantee if I buy them Bitcoins, they kept me (bitcoins on my local machine). But I do not have a right to spend it. When they make the device, I'll have to send that amount Bitcoin them, in which case they will be given a device to me. It will have no effect on the court in the case of fraud. Because there is no contract with them. Russian court recognizes only the written paper contract. I can not sue the claim unit or refund at MetaBank, if they will take back my deposit but will not give me the device.

Sincerely, NaimaOnline

Please tell us more about how you can buy a preorder keeping the coins on your machine (you will be the owner of the private key, you will use some secret sharing etc? what?).

Instruction is invalid, the coins can be sent directly to your address (if you pay Russian payment services)


Please do not send BTC to this address (1at...uXv), it is just an example! I will make each of you a unique address, or a partial refund will be impossible!

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https://i.imgur.com/7Ff7l0S.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/3b8Fxzy.jpg
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Paymer\WMZ for example
https://i.imgur.com/eyqBcG6.jpg
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Next, write a letter to support: "Hello, I nayma53, I bought you 17.5 BTC, I want to use them for collateral when buying Bitfuri. It's My wallet FOR STORE THE PLEDGE is 1dgjhjhgHkVEnDReeBQPT9GwCNwUgfhjhkjh (in my computer) and I paid you a {precise amount} of the check Paymer just now". in the mail subject to specify: "Пpeдзaкaз ASIC 1ATmQsMZpwrdFN8AeEzHUwMBh3L85PguXw" The next business day they transferred this amount to the address 1dgjhjhgH.... on my computer
https://i.imgur.com/BhwgJ28.jpg

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I mean, I just bought them Bitcoins. But informed them that it would be a pledge. When they produce their Bitfuri, they will require to give them these Bitcoins (exactly with this address). Instead, they will give me Bitfuri from a warehouse in Moscow.

Or KAMAZ laden Bitfuri (joke)  :D

Please be careful everyone.

That's why I created a separate (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203107.0) topic. Prior to that topic. MetaBank has refused to sign a contract in writing. But many said that bitfuri can be trusted.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209230.0

Bitfuri said that he is developing chips for the investor (probably "100th"). Part of the payment for the design he will take as chips.

Part of that he is willing to sell chips through the company "MetaBank"

More ... I hate to say it .. But recently in the Russian forum has a lot of new accounts (members) who after rack up 100-400 posts (mainly flooding) are trying to offer their products, sites, pyramids, in short, a scam. I created this theme first, and at once there was a few more. Look not only at the number of messages but also on the date of the registration!

I will be happy if somebody buys a ticket and fly to Russia, we will meet and talk, I will prove that I am honest and I have no intention to deceive. :D

interesting hope is not another butterfly?

I hope this works out for you naima, I wasn't trying to question your business.  I just think it would be good to be cautious about Bitfury at this point.

Thank you! :D I also write all that I think about it without secrets.

If i Buy 5 Pieces i can pick up the units in person and pay then ? Correct ?

No. You pay me now. I order. I'm getting. I'm sending you, or come and take away from me, a personal encounter.
This topic really sounds so much "donotunderstandablish" ?

No more response. Topic can be closed?

Edit
If I do brazenly and offer price of USD 2,700 (two thousand seven hundred), they will be willing to come and personally pick up?
In this case, the coin will be retained by MetaBank.

OR
Or $ 3,000, but the coins will be kept by you. (yes, you personally, you will call me an address where MetaBank must be sended coins)
(minus my fee 840$=3000-2160) and "will be willing to come and personally pick up" Or pay extra for shipping

I block topic. If you trust me and want to order, please contact in person by e-mail.