Title: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 04, 2013, 06:43:44 PM Hey all,
New here - howdy! I am a neuroscientist with a lab focused on finding treatments for brain disorders like Alzheimer's disease, stroke and traumatic brain injury. Given the current paucity of funding opportunities for science, I have decided to set up a lab bitcoin address to accept crowd-sourced donations for everyday lab expenses to keep the lab running between larger grant acquisitions... If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to set up a "donations" page thanking individuals for helping to support our science. lab web address: www.behavioralneuroscience.org lab BTC address: 1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE Thanks! Rich -- Rich Hartman, PhD Associate Professor School of Behavioral Health Loma Linda University Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: zeocrash on June 04, 2013, 07:57:25 PM You might want to have a look into Devcoin.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Devcoin It's an altcoin designed for funding Open source projects and such. Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: bbit on June 04, 2013, 08:03:04 PM If your real check out Bitcoin Crowdfunding:
http://www.bitcoinstarter.com Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: zeocrash on June 04, 2013, 08:07:09 PM You might want to have a look into Devcoin. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Devcoin It's an altcoin designed for funding Open source projects and such. i think it is a scam anyway. I don't know, the website checks out. Loma linda university is a real university based in California. Looking on their website (which i navigated to from google) Richard E hartman really is a professor of psychology there. His faculty profile links to the page given by OP. The Bitcoin address matches the one given by OP. I don't think OP is a scammer, I think the "retro" design of his neuroscience lab website just comes from being in academia :P Not that i really have any interest either way in whether OP gets donations or not, i was just curious to see what kind of neuroscience lab accepted BTC Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: skrazy on June 04, 2013, 08:14:48 PM Anyone had non fourm communication?
Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: niko on June 04, 2013, 08:24:22 PM Hey all, New here - howdy! I am a neuroscientist with a lab focused on finding treatments for brain disorders like Alzheimer's disease, stroke and traumatic brain injury. Given the current paucity of funding opportunities for science, I have decided to set up a lab bitcoin address to accept crowd-sourced donations for everyday lab expenses to keep the lab running between larger grant acquisitions... If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to set up a "donations" page thanking individuals for helping to support our science. lab web address: www.behavioralneuroscience.org lab BTC address: 1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE Thanks! Rich -- Rich Hartman, PhD Associate Professor School of Behavioral Health Loma Linda University First of all, kudos for the brave, pioneering idea! Are there any examples of crowdfunded research at universities? I certainly have never heard of anything. Next, in order to help people consider helping your research, as opposed to spending their coins elsewhere, would you please share your thoughts on the following (taken from "the truth wears off" by J. Lehrer): Quote In the late nineteen-nineties, John Crabbe, a neuroscientist at the Oregon Health and Science University, conducted an experiment that showed how unknowable chance events can skew tests of replicability. He performed a series of experiments on mouse behavior in three different science labs: in Albany, New York; Edmonton, Alberta; and Portland, Oregon. Before he conducted the experiments, he tried to standardize every variable he could think of. The same strains of mice were used in each lab, shipped on the same day from the same supplier. The animals were raised in the same kind of enclosure, with the same brand of sawdust bedding. They had been exposed to the same amount of incandescent light, were living with the same number of littermates, and were fed the exact same type of chow pellets. When the mice were handled, it was with the same kind of surgical glove, and when they were tested it was on the same equipment, at the same time in the morning. The premise of this test of replicability, of course, is that each of the labs should have generated the same pattern of results. “If any set of experiments should have passed the test, it should have been ours,” Crabbe says. “But that’s not the way it turned out.” In one experiment, Crabbe injected a particular strain of mouse with cocaine. In Portland the mice given the drug moved, on average, six hundred centimetres more than they normally did; in Albany they moved seven hundred and one additional centimetres. But in the Edmonton lab they moved more than five thousand additional centimetres. Similar deviations were observed in a test of anxiety. Furthermore, these inconsistencies didn’t follow any detectable pattern. In Portland one strain of mouse proved most anxious, while in Albany another strain won that distinction. The disturbing implication of the Crabbe study is that a lot of extraordinary scientific data are nothing but noise. The hyperactivity of those coked-up Edmonton mice wasn’t an interesting new fact—it was a meaningless outlier, a byproduct of invisible variables we don’t understand. The problem, of course, is that such dramatic findings are also the most likely to get published in prestigious journals, since the data are both statistically significant and entirely unexpected. Grants get written, follow-up studies are conducted. The end result is a scientific accident that can take years to unravel. Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 04, 2013, 09:26:24 PM Quote i sent your personal e-mail a message. please respond so we know it is really you. I responded to someone from my LLU.edu address - not sure if that was you.... nothing has been received at my gmail addressYou might want to have a look into Devcoin. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Devcoin. It's an altcoin designed for funding Open source projects and such. fascinating - thanks, I'll check it out!If your real check out Bitcoin Crowdfunding: http://www.bitcoinstarter.com ...and that as well - gracias!I don't think OP is a scammer, I think the "retro" design of his neuroscience lab website just comes from being in academia :P haha! i'll take that as a complement! I haven't had much time to update my webpage building skills since the early 2000's :)First of all, kudos for the brave, pioneering idea! Are there any examples of crowdfunded research at universities? I certainly have never heard of anything. Next, in order to help people consider helping your research, as opposed to spending their coins elsewhere, would you please share your thoughts on the following (taken from "the truth wears off" by J. Lehrer): well, I'm sure I'm not the first, but maybe *among* the 1st (?) I'll have to check out those links above to see how far behind the curve I am at this point... Regarding the Crabbe experiment, it's a great study and one that I often cite to my students. One of the intents of the paper was to demonstrate that *1* paper proves nothing - science is a slow process of carefully and methodically clearing out wrong ideas until something resembling a relatively unassailable "truth" remains. Neuroscience happens to be one of the "slower" disciplines in that regard, due to the enormous complexity of the brain. The general public gets excited when a study "proves" something and then gets dismayed when the next study attacks the problem from a different perspective and disproves it. One of the repercussions of the Crabbe study is that many neuroscience labs, including mine, routinely replicate studies *within* the lab several times before publishing the data. More often than not, even intra-lab differences are usually due to the magnitude of an effect, but the overall pattern remains the same. Even though rodents are individuals and their behavior can be maddenly variable (like people, and mice are much more so than rats), most of the tests used in behavioral neuroscience have "face validity" - e.g., transgenic mice engineered to develop Alzheimer's-like neuropathology as they age are *usually* dumber in learning / memory tasks than control mice, but they are *never* smarter :)(regarding variability and wasted effort in science, an even larger issue is that journals usually do not publish "negative" findings, so there is a clear publication bias toward studies in which an effect was found.... this will hopefully get better as more scientists use blogs and other "alternative" methods to spread their research) Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 04, 2013, 10:09:41 PM well, that was quick :)
Newbie question - unless a donator explicitly sends me an email stating that they've deposited some BTC, is there any way for me to identify and "thank" them on my website? it seems not? Rich Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: edd on June 04, 2013, 10:14:04 PM well, that was quick :) Newbie question - unless a donator explicitly sends me an email stating that they've deposited some BTC, is there any way for me to identify and "thank" them on my website? it seems not? Rich Not really. This is one reason why it's recommended to use a different receiving address each time. Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: niko on June 04, 2013, 11:02:25 PM well, that was quick :) Unless they use the one and same sending address every time (most people don't, on the contrary), and unless this sending address is publicly known and verified to belong to that person - no. (Some publicly identified addresses are tagged on blockchain.info).Newbie question - unless a donator explicitly sends me an email stating that they've deposited some BTC, is there any way for me to identify and "thank" them on my website? it seems not? Rich Importantly, even if someone emailed you claiming to have sent a particular donation, that doesn't mean they did. Anyone can see all the transactions, as Bitcoin ledger (a.k.a. blockchain) is public. One way to verify is to ask this person to sign a specified message using the private key related to the sending address (or one of the sending addresses) - you can then check this digital signature. Bitcoin.org client offers this functionality. Title: Re: funding lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 04, 2013, 11:12:48 PM interesting - thanks! maybe i'll just have a page with a running total of donations along with a list of lab supplies bought with said BTCs....
Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: jorgen on June 05, 2013, 08:25:02 AM Just sent "Euler's number" in bitcoins :)
Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: niko on June 05, 2013, 02:54:31 PM Just a thought - I don't think you need that coin widget just to display the donation address. It requires javascript, links to third-party servers, etc. I don't even see the donation button unless I enable javascript in my browser.
Just put the donation address there as plain text, and include an image of the QR code. Occam's razor. Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 05, 2013, 04:04:19 PM Just sent "Euler's number" in bitcoins :) awesome - what a great mathematical constant! that's equivalent to a box of 700 slides, so that's a huge help :)Just a thought - I don't think you need that coin widget just to display the donation address. It requires javascript, links to third-party servers, etc. I don't even see the donation button unless I enable javascript in my browser. Just put the donation address there as plain text, and include an image of the QR code. Occam's razor. yeah, I was thinking pretty much the same thing.... parsimony - the widget's getting the axe tonight! (is the QR code thing widely used?)Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 05, 2013, 04:14:45 PM actually, I was thinking of removing the widget and just replacing it with a link to the address page at blockchain.info:
https://blockchain.info/address/1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE does that seem reasonable? anything I should be concerned about? thanks for all of your help and support! Rich Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: niko on June 05, 2013, 04:19:30 PM actually, I was thinking of removing the widget and just replacing it with a link to the address page at blockchain.info: https://blockchain.info/address/1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE does that seem reasonable? anything I should be concerned about? thanks for all of your help and support! Rich Code: <a href="https://blockchain.info/address/1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE">1KxqK9w8uH8gvYNxDAg4FS8Soij2RwnhWE</a> sounds good. I can still copy/paste the address into my client, or I can follow the link to get the QR code if using a mobile device with camera. Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: greyhawk on June 05, 2013, 04:47:22 PM Seems his work is mostly in brain damage by external factors. Considering the "brain damage by mining rig heat stroke" stories on here there should be a plethora of case subjects.
Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: niko on June 05, 2013, 05:36:56 PM Seems his work is mostly in brain damage by external factors. Considering the "brain damage by mining rig heat stroke" stories on here there should be a plethora of case subjects. ...or he can devise a way to use rodents in a maze to perform hashing calculations. With gates and everything. Seriously, though, this is a small step, but very important: rather than having to rely on centralized authorities/markets to crowdfund science (petridish.org, sciencedonors.com...) , Bitcoin enables direct, easy, worldwide p2p fundraising. If Bitcoin continues to grow, and more goods and services become available directly in exchange for btc, this may become viable funding path for many. Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: greyhawk on June 05, 2013, 05:43:08 PM Seems his work is mostly in brain damage by external factors. Considering the "brain damage by mining rig heat stroke" stories on here there should be a plethora of case subjects. ...or he can devise a way to use rodents in a maze to perform hashing calculations. With gates and everything. Nice. You could call it AsRat: Application Specific Rodent Activated Thingamabob Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: behavioralneuroscience on June 05, 2013, 08:05:14 PM Nice. You could call it AsRat: Application Specific Rodent Activated Thingamabob hahaha! if i get enough funding, I'll hire a postdoc to work on that! :)Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: ChefBorjan on June 06, 2013, 07:47:25 AM Interesting idea, but I think funding for science should really be done through the usual peer reviewed processes... it will ensure that money is diverted to the right places, or at the very least that the science is sound enough etc. I'm not saying that your work isn't, but you get what I mean of course.
Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: greyhawk on June 06, 2013, 08:39:19 AM Outside funding is already happening all the time especially in the life sciences. As long as the outside sponsor is clearly mentioned in the published results there is no problem with that.
Hell, I'd rather have our nootropics4bitcoin guy sponsor research of this dude and I'd know to read the study with a grain of salt than have what is usually happening in the performance supplement sector right now (which is pretty much: "Yeah, like in the 50s that Russian dude gave some of that stuff to a mouse and it could like benchpress a cat and so here we are and put it into our new Musclerizer Extreme Black Edition. No, we can't show you that study. It's in Russia, in Russian, in an obscure Russian dialect actually that no one speaks anymore but my mother, but she died yesterday, a shame really. But it totally works.") Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: ChefBorjan on June 06, 2013, 10:07:18 AM I'm all for funding from any source as long as the funders are suitably informed and experienced within the field to decide where the money should go. This is why charities for example should delegate their money to research councils or have a team of dedicated scientists to decide who gets sponsorship.
Otherwise as I've said you could have people who have good intentions who desperately want to help cure cancer for example, and unknowingly donate money to 'quacks'. Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: greyhawk on June 06, 2013, 10:15:53 AM I'm all for funding from any source as long as the funders are suitably informed and experienced within the field to decide where the money should go. This is why charities for example should delegate their money to research councils or have a team of dedicated scientists to decide who gets sponsorship. Otherwise as I've said you could have people who have good intentions who desperately want to help cure cancer for example, and unknowingly donate money to 'quacks'. Oh, you meant distribution of funds in the first place. Yeah. You're right. Title: Re: funding neuroscience lab with bitcoin donations Post by: raze on June 13, 2013, 05:38:15 AM For what it's worth, I sent an email to 'rhartman@llu.edu' which is the email cited at http://www.llu.edu/behavioral-health/psychology/faculty/hartman.page (http://www.llu.edu/behavioral-health/psychology/faculty/hartman.page). I then received a reply from Rich Hartman <behavioralneuroscience@gmail.com>. So this appears to be legitimate.
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