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Developer of this project so far failed to provide enough expertise in the field of Data Science to be capable to develop the project described in WP. It looks like company's business revolving around distribution of cheap website templates. None of "Data Scientists" employed by the company have ever graduated actual data science school and one of them stated that he could not afford education that is actually free (this points to the fact he is actually amateur who was unable to pass entry exams, not an expert as he claims or even worse). Further explanation revealed that the only expertise he has is his short employment in company that presumably deals with image recognition (all proof of that fact is in Russian and requires more efforts to research)


Conclusion:

AVOID INVESTING IN THIS PROJECT

 - Here you can find  more detailes about our company background:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2320822.msg23596611#msg23596611
 - Here you can find  more detailes about current stage and using technology:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2320822.msg24652077#msg24652077

Few questions:

1. You say you have over 100 employees and engaged in active business. Could you care to provide company credentials (certificate of incorporation, portfolio of finished projects et c.)
2. You listed 2 data scientists in your team - I know Machine Learning is something not everyone can grasp. Are those people qualified? What Machine Learning projects they were part of? What courses they graduated?

You can find all this information at https://ukit.group/en
and links on our working products

So basically what you got is a website constructor that is pretty much the same as dozens of similar project?
You claiming you have expertise in ML, care to link your projects in that field?

P.S. I think it's really bad idea to throw website link to your future investors instead of an actual answer. I'm already spending my time digging in your project in order to decide if it's worth my money. Perhaps you could help me with that?

Yes, we are qualified enough :) I have about 3 years of experience in the area of Data Science, Machine Learning and Computer Vision. I'm PhD in Applied Mathematics and an Associate Professor of the Mathematics, Mechanics and Computer Science Institute at the Southern Federal University. I studied cs231n and Coursera Data Science course from Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. Projects from previous job are part of NDA and cann't be shown. Current project is ukit AI.

One more our team member successfully won Apple WWDC Scholarship due to her Machine Learning project. She is also finished Introduction to ML course from Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology about 2 years ago and applied for Andrew Ng course and cs231n.

AFAIK MIPT is a well known University that graduates capable professionals. Coursera is also well-known on-line education platform that hosts on-line courses. However I don't think that on-line courses really sufficient to develop something serious (it can be great introduction but hardly more). Especially in such hard topic as data science. I find suspicious that ALL your previous projects have NDA. Usually NDA have ~2 years expiration dates and since your NDA did not expired yet, I assume you are fairly new to this field. I may be wrong but you provided little to no information that can be easily proven.

Your other colleague, who won WWDC Scholarship sounds very promising. Would she be able to share her award wining project with us? She is surely listed as a winner somewhere? I assume it's not under NDA since it was submitted to public contest and won award? How did her scholarship went? She graduated?


You see I happen to have some knowledge in the topic and understand that you have to have EXCELLENT skills in Linear Algebra to even start to comprehand machine learning. Normal ML course (I mean offline course of Google or Microsoft level) lasts for a couple of years at least and only after that professional can expect to become somewhat capable. Online courses are widely available but can only serve as an indication of capability to continue learning. Usually working in companies like Google, Microsoft, Yahoo (or Yandex or Mail.ru in Russia) serves as an indication of real experience in data science.

AI is a hot trend in the IT area. So let's go Ukit AI, which is a promising ICO, personally. Waiting to see the project put a milestone in IT history.

Website builders, of course, are not something new and unique :). However, we were an early leader in this industry (and remain such) and have brought a lot to the table in this sphere.

As evidence, you can see millions of websites that are powered by our platforms and hundreds of thousands of users. It’s a great achievement. There are very few website builders in the world that have a similar background.

uKit is a comparatively new project that was launched 2 years ago. Basically, it brings together our previous experiences and is just a nice product that has revealed some of the highest market-growth rates in terms of the number of websites and premium users.

But we knew that we would develop our builder into something more advanced. Just like before, when we gave people the opportunity to create websites without the knowledge of coding and HTML, today we are planning to automate these processes that are extremely time-consuming for website owners and webmasters. This is the future for the website building market. In fact, in the project description a lot of attention is given to the topic of what artificial intelligence is and why it will do things better than a human.

I invited my collegeto this topic, i think it’s a good idea if he introduce their own background by himself.
And he already tuned in.


Sorry, I thought it will be more convenient since this landing page addresses the questions concerning our background, and we haven’t posted the link to it before.

Sorry for my ignorance - I have never heared of you. Since you have hundreds of thousands users it will be fairly easy for you to link us some (say 1000-2000 links in publicly available google sheet) of unique websites that says "Powered by uKit" on them? That would be really great proof of your track record.


It would really helped if you could prove at least some expertise in data science and machine learning. So far your experts looks a little pale.



Btw, what will your crypto tokens represent for me once I buy them? Say I bought 1000 - what do I get? And when?

This kind of great idea, having an AI for the website, If this really work then it will provide a good information for the web and it will be very useful for everyone.

Why do you need an ERC20 token for your website building project? What is the purpose it apart of the fundraising?

My previous company is outsourcing company and there were more strict rules. As far as I remember my NDA expires after 3 years from the day I quit. So, I should wait until summer 2019. I can tell you that I worked with points of interest like problem, face detection like problem, searching for anomalies, detection task. I'm using opencv, tensorflow, nvidia digits, catboost, xgboost and couple of other tools including statistics. I organized Data Science seminar for students to prepare them for Kaggle. Also I have 15 years experience in training students for programming contests, if it means something for you.

I prefer to work with interesting projects, not for famous companies. I had 3 job offers from Yandex, including autonomous driving, but I decided to work with ukit AI :) But two of my students were hired by Yandex couple of month ago.

Let me introduce Yana Valieva. Article (https://www.rbth.com/science_and_tech/2017/06/01/3-digital-projects-by-russian-students-win-apple-scholarships_774692) about scholarship. You can see her project for Apple contest here (https://github.com/vJenny/reversi-game).

She won scholarship for participating in WWDC conference (https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/). She participated successfully.

In Russia we have School of data analysis (https://yandexdataschool.com/). It lasts for two years and demands from students not to work full time. I can't afford it, because I have to work :), but I have an expertise in real projects. Sorry, but I can't point to them as I said.

Good day.
In White paper, you said that pre ico will be in October 2017,  and pre ico is listed on the site in November 2017.
When do you start pre ico and exactly which date?
Thx

Initially, we planned Pre-ICO for the end of October, but our timing shifted a bit. Thank you for finding this bug! Now we started this topic with the very purpose to gather feedback on the project and make corrections to it if there are any suggestions in the comments. The exact date will be announced later and we'll sure post it here in the topic. P.S.: Thank you for reading our WP!

The core of the system is data. It will be obtained through contributions by multiple project participants (crowd data).

Blockchain being an intrinsic part of this process will give project participants an opportunity to see their contributions and rewards provided for them, even for minor contributions. The fairness of these transactions are not within the control of developers, but can be checked by outsiders. Eventually, this will allow to reach a new level of quality for data that serve as a basis for the entire system.

Besides, token holders will be able to vote for new features in the system. It's an addition, but I think there's no point in elaborating on how blockchain will be useful here.

And adding more information about our machine learning and generative design background. One more project from Pavel Kudinov.

Cosmics Project

The project is a long-term research across the fields of simulation GPU modelling, machine learning and generative design.

The aim of the project is to construct a "God-like builder" of the interactive environment for staging evolutionary experiments, in conditions of simultaneous modeling of consciousness, physical bodies and the environment of virtual beings.


The project is the development of the ideas of artificial life simulation. The key differences from other, older projects of this kind are:

- Focus on GPU-calculated evolutionary models with a deep optimization of all simulation levels (physical, neuro, genetic).
- As a consequence, there is fundamentally different degree of simulation, both in terms of the sizes of simulated worlds, and in the sense of the complexity of simulated creatures.
- Paradigm pluralism. It is planned to create a series of independent simulations within a common platform, with different physics of creatures, different simulation logic of their consciousness, encompassing all factors in general.
- As the research evolved, a side project was implemented — the framework and the programming language "Scope", with an intent similar to simit-lang.org and vvvv.org, which can be used outside the Cosmics project in a wide range of GPU modeling tasks. In the future, it is planned to publish "Scope" in Open Source.
Materials:

1. Where it all began: the first simulation, August 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_yYU6lvvk4
2. One of the demo scenes that gives insights into the Scope possibilities, April 2017 https://youtu.be/EV_C2LeL9ME
3. Source code of the second Scope scene: https://github.com/pavel-kudinov/cosmics-walk

I can provide more screenshots from other simulations, if you like to see the scope of this research.

That's much better explanation of your profile and that's great. Fortunately I'm familiar with tensorflow and RNN's so It would be great and interesting to glance at some code your surely uploaded on github some time during working with tensor flow. Sharing your public profile would help as well (I always inclined to learn new stuff so if by chance you recorded video of your Data Science seminar that would be fascinating to watch! Also someone with your experience probably have publications.


Great. You have saved them? Care to scan/post?



REALLY?! So you couldn't afford FREE Education in FAMOUSLY Known Yandex school of Data Analyses? NOT ONLY THIS, SCHOOL PROVIDE FREE EDUCATION (for those who smart enough to go through online testing) it also provide discounts for those who failed entry exams and pays for education (if they have good marks). The only conclusion I can draw from your statement  - you can't qualify to even STUDY the subject. And since you failed to enter school you surely not qualified to do live projects.




Now seriously my friend is real Data scientist who works in real search engine.  He just can't shut up about his Hirsch index and how it is important for ANYONE in this field to publicize anything on the subject to get known. Now I will explain why I ask that much questions and why I don't really trust you

1. You seem to be hiding your identity. All I really want is to see your public profiles, your past work. I really don't care much about what you say - post more links with proofs, not explanations why you can't prove anything.

2. Great that you introduced Yana to us. It looks like she really did won scholarship in Apple.... This year.... So now she will be off to study. I mean winning scholarship proves that she is bright - no doubt about it, but it means she can study, not develop. Also even though she looks somewhat capable we yet to determine if she is part of your team and won't be gone tomorrow to spend her scholarship on actual study. Can she comment on that account in her social network profiles so we can see she really part of the team and wont be gone next week?



Please don't be surprised that I post a lot of uncomfortable questions here. You are asking alot of money and I am an investor. So I want to determine what will happen with my money once your team get it. So the easiest you can do - provide as much provable information about yourself as you can.

Dude I can compile tensorflow or other open source code and generate those videos claiming I invented AI.

 If you sharing project results you could at least post what you were trying to achieve. Your project looks more and more like a scam.

This looks increasingly bad...

Well, I said that I can't afford it because I have to work. School of Data Analysis demands candidates should be out of any full time job. I know the person who was not allowed to pass the exams for this reason. And I mean I can't study for 2 years without earning money. If it is a reason to blame me, then I think you have to blame 90% of adults (may be less may be more).

I'm not hiding my identity in this topic. I shown up there in the team section. My name is Roman Steinberg. So, you can look at my LinkedIn, github, WebOfScience profile or whatever you want.

We both are newbies on this forum, but I don't like your style of dialogue. I tried to answer in general words. If I misunderstood your level of knowledge in the area then may be you didn't shown it first. Now you blame me that I'm hiding something. No, I just tried to answer generally. Good luck in your investments!

Oh Russians are always so proud ;)

first of all you, sir, are LIER because



is a lie. It clearly states that ALL tuition being done in evening, and will require no more than 21 hours/week (basically 3 hours/day) and can be done from anywhere.
https://yandexdataschool.ru/admission/faq .Google translate gives pretty straightforward translation:


This is the second time I'm catching you on your lies. That's bad. Post me a link where it "DEMANDS" you being out of full time job and I'll apologize.



You see, Roman, you may like or not like my style but you came here to ask MONEY from people. And investors will not ever care about your feelings. When you ask for money you have to be prepared to hear a lot of very uncomfortable questions and be prepared to answer (for example - and this is what you should have been done few hours ago - provide actual links on your social network profiles). At this point you have provided nothing about your background besides general words. It's not me who should ask you for your profile - it is you who should showcase it, yet you still only posted your name, not links for your profiles.

  

This forum is known for a lot of fake projects and scams.
This is why people here are little more than paranoid about their investments.
And you are doing pretty bad right now.

Yes, I know than a word "scam" could appear in each thread :) In our case I would understand if you said that you don't believe in our idea, or you doubt that we will really be able to finish the project. But blame us as a scam…
We are based on our existing projects (ukit.com), users base and reputation. (That’s really easy to check on the Internet)


Now I started to think that you are not really interested in the dialog or our project whatsoever and just trying to add more posts to your Newbie status. :(

Of course I will use word SCAM.
Your team member openly lies about his background (see my previous post).
Do you think it is good for your project?

You seem not to understand the concept of our relations. I don't have to prove my expertise to you or explain anything about myself. I can be newbie or hero member - does not matter. It is You who should prove your expertise to the community because it is You who ask for money.

And you are failing.
 

In the first place, I'd like to note that that  Cosmics Project is not a part of our current uKit AI project — it's the background since you doubted the qualifications and level of experience in this field. The project is long-term and if you're interested in discussing it further and seeing what's under the hood — welcome, it can be set up. But I guess it'll be better to do this in a separate topic.

Well, nobody claims that the invented AI describes the specific research.

As far as its validity goes, using tensorflow it's impossible to create a physical simulation or a visualization that is shown in the video. It seems you don't fully understand what you are talking about.

If it's a question of trust, I can show you dozens of runtimes of completely different simulations and their source codes, including the process of launching these simulations and demonstrating the source code. It would be quite difficult to fake this.

And if you are curious to see the proofs, let me know what you'd like to see to clear up your doubts. I have no problems showing them to you.

I posted simple request - provide background of your data scientists. Link their social profiles, articles and graduation papers. Instead one of them came here and openly lied to my face (twice actually). Also you have posted two videos with little to no information about what they are (one sounded like neural network trying to speak and failing) the other one is just something. But I really more concerned about lies of your team member. If he lied about one thing, could it mean he lied about other things as well? Why would anyone trust you after this?

If you visit our site - ico.ukit.com (it was here from the very beginning of this topic, we didn't hide it ^)) you are able to find live links to the members Ln profiles in Our Team section).

All there is a linkedin profile of someone who allegedly worked some 7 month in company that does image recognition. No real projects link (ah, ofc, they are under NDA), no articles, no codebase only a lot of words and of course a lie (why would he lie? This really bothers me). Also he mentions some girl who won scholarship isn't listed in your team (perhaps you not listing her because she will be soon off to actually study?). He also mentioned he was invited to work in Russian search engine Yandex (three times!) Was it also a lie?

It seems that you’ve never been interested in researching website builders ;)
First off, there are a few things to consider:
We have 2 main independent products in the website building niche: uCoz and uKit. Both are already popular on mass market, though uKit is fresher and more modern. Basically, for us it’s a logical spin-off of the good old uCoz, but having a different audience and meeting present-day needs. They have different goals, target audiences and user bases.

You might not have heard of them as our main territory is Eastern Europe. But it doesn’t mean that there’s no information about us in the English-speaking segment. You can easily google us and find reviews about our website builders, guides, testimonials and so on, they have been around for a long time.

There are also English-speaking themed top lists of website builders that name us one of the best products on the market, for example:
https://superbwebsitebuilders.com/
https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2484510,00.asp

There were big milestones in the history of our company:
- A deal with Yandex about their free hosting narod.ru
- An investment round (a while ago) from DST (also famous for their investments into Facebook, Groupon, Zynga, Mail.Ru). And, of course, throughout its history, our company has gone through due diligences way more serious than that you are conducting now based on forum answers and your personal judgement.

You can read about it here, for example:
http://www.ewdn.com/2013/02/18/yandex-to-transfer-website-hosting-service-to-ucoz/
I’m all for objectiveness and facts. You take everything with a pinch of salt, so let’s clarify things — it’ll be right and fair.


https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Press-Releases/2011/11/comScore-Releases-Overview-of-European-Internet-Usage-in-September-2011
Here you can see that our service has been around for a while and was featured by big and reputable analytic companies.

As far as the examples of users’ websites go, I’m afraid, there’s no way to show all our websites following one specific footprint with one request. We use different brand names for our products (in one product) and image logos in site footers as anchor links. The system’s copyrights are removed when users buy premium packages and in case of uKit even without purchasing a plan.


Surely, on our side we can export the list of all websites that we serve, but, as you can understand, this will be a dream of search spammers come true, a gift, not to mention the ethical side of the matter in connection with our clients, and our trade secret.

But certainly there are third-party services that make it possible to measure the amount, find and view a part of it:

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cm-ucoz/all/all
https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_management/all


https://statonline.ru/domains?tld=ru&dns=ns2.ucoz.net
https://statonline.ru/domains?tld=ru&dns=ns1.ukit.com
(We have to understand that this is only one domain extension, one connection method. We offer to connect a domain via Name Servers or IP pointing, and only paying users can have a custom second-level domain.)



Honestly, I can’t agree with you. Since I spent a while building our Neural Network team, small so far though, I had an opportunity to research and communicate with all kinds of specialists. I am sure that our guys have a strong basis, and, more than that, have experience in production, while in this sphere you typically come across people with only theoretical background without its practical application.

But certainly, since ICO is about fundraising, and the main tasks lie exactly in the ML field, we will need to grow and empower our team, and a significant part of funding will be spent on this.


I’ll be happy to answer all the questions you might have. And I will appreciate if you read all the information. I just have a feeling that you tend to grab pieces from here and there.

And I read all your questions and doubts. And if you look from the outside, they are fair, and you are right, Roman gave just a general words. If I did not know him in person and did't work with him - that would not satisfy me either. And he, as a person who was used to the fact that his authority is known (including within his teaching activities) could not respond normally.
I think tomorrow nothing will stop him from continuing the dialogue in a constructive way and give a real proofs of his expertise.

it seems something managed to stop him after all...

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I should have replied to you earlier, but our conversation seemed to fade down and I still didn’t hear what could serve as a real illustration for you.

Of course, the main background is neural networks and machine learning algorithms. As I have told you, my previous hands-on experience is protected by NDA. If you want to have a look at it, I can share it via a personal message. The company is CVisionLab («CиBижинЛaб»), you may call them for a confirmation.

This agreement is in the Russian language as it is concluded with the Russian company. To check it, it’ll be enough to contact them at the provided corporate details. If someone is really interested, bitcointalk has a significant Russian-speaking community, you may request assistance from some of the authority figures there.

For 8 months of work, a number of developments has been done at uKit. I’m afraid, there are very few areas where fast results are possible with machine learning. Speaking about something you can see in action and “touch”, here https://aesthetics-demo.ukit.space/

At the moment, https://aesthetics-demo.ukit.space/ looks more like a toy that makes it possible to evaluate your or another person’s website. But we meant it this way so that people had something to ‘touch’. Also, through gathering opinions of a wide variety of people and offering them to correct our ratings we are able to collect a bigger data set.
Basically, this is the scoring system for uKit AI and is a subsequently important, yet supplementary part of the product.

This system is built using machine learning methods. It should reflect an opinion of an average user about the website’s appearance. It’s neither about a professional designer’s opinion, nor about the website’s usability, nor about its functionality. Let me emphasize this point — it’s only about the APPEARANCE and only an AVERAGE user.
In this project, we are using one of the variants of the gradient boosting method (catboost library). To date, this approach is one of the most effective in solving problems of machine learning.

Besides, in the near future (this month), we are planning to introduce an additional evaluation by the neural network, which should improve the overall quality.

To train the model, we have gathered a sample of 12K websites. Despite the fact that at the moment the system gives reasonably good results (it is possible to play around with it on your own), it is still the first alpha version and has a number of issues:

• it can’t evaluate minimalistic websites such as google.com (this is a solvable issue, but we’d like to achieve this through machine learning rather than using “white lists”);
• it can’t work correctly with hieroglyphic websites (Chinese, Japanese…), since there were none of this kind in the existing training base;
• it has an insufficient ratings bank. We need more people and different opinions to improve the quality. It doesn’t make the system unrepresentative at the moment, but the data set needs significant enhancements, which will certainly influence the quality and robustness of the output results.

In addition to Roman’s general background, such as theoretical knowledge and being a Ph.D in Physics and Mathematics as well as an Associate Professor at the Institute of Mathematics, Mechanics and Computer Sciences, Roman has been working on machine learning tasks for 8 months as part of the uKit AI project.

And again, like I said, our company has ready and operating products under the belt — two website builders and the basic foundation for the future uKit AI system. All this proves the background of our big team consisting of over 100 people, rather than that of one specific specialist.


If you have a look at our Whitepaper, we are planning to spend a significant amount of funds on R&D. This means that in the first place we’ll be strengthening our team, and, of course, the machine learning part will be the first to be enhanced.

Additionally, not only do we have the team building experience, but also best practices in creating actual, working products from scratch, which lets us assess our expertise in one way or another.
Plus, you might be interested to see the screenshots of our uKit.ai 1.0 “lab”

http://screenshot.ukit.com/src/viger/1.png
http://screenshot.ukit.com/src/viger/2.png


They show that even now websites are successfully taken apart into components and how this process looks like though computer vision.

This is the system that already exists — uKit AI 1.0. It hasn’t been released yet, but it has been already trained and unveiled within the team. The system can mark meaningful blocks on the website, detect their theme, identify what kind of the block they belong to, and structure these data to further transform the website into a new one in our uKit website builder.

But, of course, it’s better to see this in dynamics, and we’ll definitely make screencasts so that it would be more clear.

And since hearing a hundred times is not as good as seeing once, and taking into account that you, Colorblind, have clearly paid a lot of attention to us. Btw, a special thanks to you for this. Your sharp questions clearly help us look at ourselves and the provided information with a critical eye. We just wish you had more time to look into all the answers and references that we share. But I understand that it’s not really easy to do that, and it’s not your job to do thorough researches.

So, about seeing once, judging by your posts we have a feeling that at the end of November you are potentially planning to visit Moscow for the blockchain conference. We’ll be happy to become your host and specifically invite you to our office, show you our developments, and if you are interested also have a chat with our technical specialists including Roman. This way, you’ll be able to form a truly objective opinion. I think it could be interesting for everyone, and you have already delved deep enough to take another step.

https://aesthetics-demo.ukit.space/ is a pretty interesting tool. Here are a few questions about the usage of AI itself in the project:

1. Is the rating based on the appearance and/or code of the website?
2. Does the user rating (if I provide my own rating) influence the training of AI?
3. And the question about the history of recently evaluated websites. Will it always be accessible to everyone? Or will there be a private/personal option?

1. It is the appearance that the tool checks. The code validity and other aspects are not evaluated but if the website collapsed because of errors in the code, the rating will be low, which is logical.

2. Yes, sure. Now we really need additional ratings and seeing if our ratings are correct in your opinion. Your rating will serve to improve the data set and finish the training of AI. Although it won't be taken into account in real time, it'll be kept by the system for further use.

3. Now showing personal and overall search histories seems the most interesting.
But this is mostly for the demonstration and for the opportunity to quickly assess the correctness of work. Remember, this scoring tool is meant for a different purpose in the first place.

• $200 price of one token
• 100 000 UKT tokens will be issued in total
• 55 000 UKT tokens will be sold during ICO and pre-ICO

For more information read our WP: https://ico.ukit.com/download/ukit-ai-whitepaper_en.pdf (page 30)

Sorry, I don't buy story about your expertise. Mostly because:
1. You openly lied at least once about yourself (that's enough to assume anything else you say is a lie);
2. 8 month is like nothing in data science;
3. link your provided for website evaluation "tool" does not show anything except what? A progress bar that states "Aesthetics of your website is arbitrary %" - that's not data science - that what kids do after school. 

Aesthetics is a gradient boosting model which has learned information about 10,000 websites and about 100,000 their ratings. It accepts features from two sources: the image of the website and its source code. This hybrid feature extraction provides 125 attributes.

In addition, there's an "optical" high-dimensional CNN feature extraction that is at the experimental stage.

The process of model calibration had gone through several iterations before the quality of the evaluation was achieved. An average error is 0.5 points per site in the ten-point system. By the way, our assessors made mistakes of about 1.5 points per site, which is worse than our model.

i cant say that their product is very best in market. But i can trust to that company, because i started website creating with them, and they still working and growing

What is the key idea of the project?