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Title: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 01/09 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on June 12, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/5787/sowq.png
"Smooth chart" ( average of day-1, current_day and day+1)

Logarithmic version:
http://imageshack.us/a/img855/4141/9eaf.png

Based on the stats of this forum, I created a nice chart.
What we can see, it correlates nicely with the bitcoin price.

However, some other conclusions can be made:
1) the number of new posts stays relatively high compared to the previous bitcoin price spike in june 2011.
The data is still "fresh" but if this trend continues, we could say that the overall interest ('talk') about bitcoin has gone up and will stay at this high level.
2) a lot of new members during price rally's, but this trend never continues. So the number of new members could maybe indicate a bubble effect?
3) the number of page views hit new records after the price spike. Sadly, we can't compare to the june 2011 price spike (no data). What could be the explanation?

Any thoughts?


(BTC price added. Used data weighted average MTGOXusd from bitcoincharts.com)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: ashaw596 on June 12, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
I believe a LARGE part of the booms come because its now summer.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: kodo on June 13, 2013, 02:21:53 AM
We are here to stay, definitly.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 13, 2013, 03:43:57 AM
can you plot the BTC/USD exchange rate on top of that graph?

-bm


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: raze on June 13, 2013, 03:55:29 AM
Just remember correlation doesn't imply causation.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: dnaleor on June 13, 2013, 05:45:16 AM
can you plot the BTC/USD exchange rate on top of that graph?

-bm


yes, if someone has an excel sheet with the daily BTC-price :)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: N12 on June 13, 2013, 05:55:59 AM
I believe a LARGE part of the booms come because its now summer.
Sell in May and go away.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 13, 2013, 06:45:23 AM
can you plot the BTC/USD exchange rate on top of that graph?

-bm


yes, if someone has an excel sheet with the daily BTC-price :)

try this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHJuUE1mUkFxa3A0eHBDQkxZLVVFZmc#gid=0


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: zby on June 13, 2013, 09:02:24 AM
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6885/bitcoinstats.png

Based on the stats of this forum, I created a nice chart.
What we can see, it correlates nicely with the bitcoin price.

However, some other conclusions can be made:
1) the number of new posts stays relatively high compared to the previous bitcoin price spike in june 2011.
The data is still "fresh" but if this trend continues, we could say that the overall interest ('talk') about bitcoin has gone up and will stay at this high level.
2) a lot of new members during price rally's, but this trend never continues. So the number of new members could maybe indicate a bubble effect?
3) the number of page vieuws hit new records after the price spike. Sadly, we can't compare to the june 2011 price spike (no data). What could be the explanation?

Any thoughts?


(If you want to do data mining, check the excel-file here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/atkufw
And maybe donate something for the effort ;) )


bots

bitcointalk is now a target


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: dnaleor on June 13, 2013, 09:19:07 AM
can you plot the BTC/USD exchange rate on top of that graph?

-bm


yes, if someone has an excel sheet with the daily BTC-price :)

try this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmcTCtjBoRWUdHJuUE1mUkFxa3A0eHBDQkxZLVVFZmc#gid=0

Ill update the chart tonight, Thx :-)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: dnaleor on June 13, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
updated the firstpost.

I also have a "smooth" version (I used for each date the average from the previous, the current and the next day; this is done except for the BTC value)

http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4694/btctalkstatssmooth.png


do you like this one better? (better readability?)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: bluemeanie1 on June 14, 2013, 02:18:17 AM
that's really impressive.

the owners of this forum could use this data to hedge the price of BTC.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: puffpuffpass on June 14, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
the new threads, new members, new posts, etc. seem to come after the fact, proving that this forum is a joke.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: kayrice on June 14, 2013, 09:58:05 PM
I love the ignore button. Instead of replying to people I get to look next to their name, see bright orange, and know I don't have to waste my time explaining something to the person above me.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: funktion on June 14, 2013, 10:01:13 PM
thanks, this is pretty interesting. the correlation does follow nicely at the beginning but totally collapses after the big bubble burst. now the trick is to guess whether increased activity means drop or rise. it would be cool if an analysis of posts was done looking for positive/negative word indicators and see how that correlates with the price.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: hello_good_sir on June 15, 2013, 02:21:05 AM
thanks, this is pretty interesting. the correlation does follow nicely at the beginning but totally collapses after the big bubble burst. now the trick is to guess whether increased activity means drop or rise. it would be cool if an analysis of posts was done looking for positive/negative word indicators and see how that correlates with the price.

I'm pretty sure that the chart does not show a decrease in correlation.  This chart is yet another example of why all bitcoin price charts need to be log-scaled.  When people look at linear-scaled charts they draw incorrect conclusions.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: Luckybit on June 15, 2013, 05:28:20 AM
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6885/bitcoinstats.png

Based on the stats of this forum, I created a nice chart.
What we can see, it correlates nicely with the bitcoin price.

However, some other conclusions can be made:
1) the number of new posts stays relatively high compared to the previous bitcoin price spike in june 2011.
The data is still "fresh" but if this trend continues, we could say that the overall interest ('talk') about bitcoin has gone up and will stay at this high level.
2) a lot of new members during price rally's, but this trend never continues. So the number of new members could maybe indicate a bubble effect?
3) the number of page vieuws hit new records after the price spike. Sadly, we can't compare to the june 2011 price spike (no data). What could be the explanation?

Any thoughts?


(If you want to do data mining, check the excel-file here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/atkufw
And maybe donate something for the effort ;) )


bots

bitcointalk is now a target

I think you're right. Bitcointalk was DDOSed as part of the same effort to shut down the exchanges.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: Luckybit on June 15, 2013, 05:29:37 AM
DDOS from bots would be the cause of both the crash and the spike on Bitcointalk.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: dnaleor on June 15, 2013, 03:15:19 PM
DDOS from bots would be the cause of both the crash and the spike on Bitcointalk.

did the bots create the accounts and posted those messages? Don't think so.
Maybe the pageviews can be explained by google bots and/or ddos


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: dnaleor on June 21, 2013, 02:18:09 PM
updated the charts:

Quote
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2201/lk9h.png
"Smooth chart" ( average of day-1, current_day and day+1): http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3995/vg9w.png (http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3995/vg9w.png)

Logarithmic version:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2676/5vw5.png
"Smooth" logaritmic version: http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6946/wxa.png (http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/6946/wxa.png)

Any comments? The logaritmic verion is really interesting. You can see that the current "bubble" maybe was triggered by the number of posts and members increasing.
The previous bubble triggered a higher number of posts and members. So it's the other way around.

This chart makes me even more bullish on BTC!


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or are we here to stay?
Post by: naphto on June 21, 2013, 02:36:20 PM
Just remember correlation doesn't imply causation.

this, obviously


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcoin bubble or here to stay? Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart
Post by: dnaleor on July 01, 2013, 11:46:45 PM
10 days has passed, new charts. Here are the "smooth" versions, for raw data, check the OP:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1631/kv7.png

logarithmic:
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/175/e1cp.png


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 10/07 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on July 11, 2013, 10:03:57 PM
UPDATE 10/07

smooth versions:
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1581/g6f5.png
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2530/vket.png

I'm wondering if we see an new increase in the number of num members and posts in the next 10 days due to the new bitcoin rally...

Next update: 21/07


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 10/07 - analysis
Post by: manfred on August 07, 2013, 07:59:39 AM
A update on the charts would be nice since we had a nice rally since the last post.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 10/07 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on August 07, 2013, 08:26:28 AM
A update on the charts would be nice since we had a nice rally since the last post.

I'll do it now (i'm really busy real life, but I'mmyself also very interested in the results)
I'll post itin a few minutes :)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 10/07 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on August 07, 2013, 09:01:33 AM
NEW UPDATE ("smoothed version" in startpost)

Raw data version:

Normal:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8885/wv2l.png

Log:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9088/j7ob.png


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 10/07 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on August 07, 2013, 09:04:01 AM
downtrend in number of posts seems to be slowing down/stabelizing

There were some spikes in new members, but still a downtrend overall.

Feeling a little more bearish now...


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 01/09 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on September 01, 2013, 10:55:57 AM
New update:

http://imageshack.us/a/img832/2473/y4cf.png

Log version:
http://imageshack.us/a/img545/2067/l93d.png

Smooth versions in opening post




Trends:

A lot of new talk (posts, topics) in the recent weeks
Downtrend of new members stabalized.


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 01/09 - analysis
Post by: manfred on October 08, 2014, 10:33:26 PM
Any update on this charts, would be interestingto see how that did work out over time with the same numbers


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 01/09 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on October 09, 2014, 01:22:31 AM
Any update on this charts, would be interestingto see how that did work out over time with the same numbers

OMG, i totally forgot about this "project"

will do an update this weekend.

but i'm guessing the trend would have less correlation now, because a lot of new bitcoiners are NOT a member of BTCT:)


Title: Re: [STATS] Bitcointalk stats vs BTC value chart - UPDATE 01/09 - analysis
Post by: dnaleor on October 10, 2014, 05:22:37 PM
Any update on this charts, would be interestingto see how that did work out over time with the same numbers

done :)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=818905.0