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The latest devcoin thread is Aegis - DevCoin:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.0

That thread is moderated by the Aegis account for round the clock protection. If any devcoin admin wants to use the Aegis account, please message acs26.

I thought we already had a main devcoin thread.

We had an old thread at:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.0

but a troll came on, and the moderators would not remove the posts. So I made this thread, the old thread is locked.

Brilliant idea.  Thanks, it was getting really bad over there. 

Oh yeah:  I'm first.  I think....

Well, at least getting some fresh air instead of extreme hatred from some members who distort the discussions going on.

If someone else wants to volunteer to admin a main devcoin thread, please say so. I didn't think to ask when I made this new thread, so it's too late for this one, but at least we'll know for next time.

I would do it if you had nobody else to do it, because fending off trolls can be hard sometimes, even if you want to entertain them.

But I would suggest somebody active in the DevCoin community.

Good thinking.

You've done good work and you've posted on devcoin threads, so you can moderate if you wish. If you want to help moderate, please make a moderator account, then once you've passed through the newbie section, give the password to any devcoin admin who wants to moderate. That way we could make threads with round the clock protection. Even threads other the main devcoin thread, because trolls could try to attack other threads.

Will be doing so, would you suggest a username?

I asked them to, same non-answer. I guess it was the only possibility.

That makes at least three people who asked, and we were all ignored. I didn't think to make the devcoin moderator account, so we'll have to move the thread one more time, but that should be the last time.

Thanks for the heads-up that threads can be created with self-moderation. I wasn't aware of that. And just so you know, that troll that came around... follow his past posts. All he does is spend all day going from one thread to another filling it with useless garbage, putting down everyone and harassing people with the hopes that they will pay him to go away.

Been reporting that guy for a while now (each time on a different post because he does this so often) and I have a "report accuracy" of 0%. I know for a fact others have been actively reporting him as well. It bothers me that the mods are basically condoning his behavior here, allowing him to run amuck and try to destroy everyone's day and derail any actual conversation for his laughs.

BTW, did Fuzzy pm you? I had sent him some information a couple days ago before block 93.3k about someone on Devtome that posted a crapton of stolen writing (including an entire massive book that he copied and pasted because it was free-domain and had no copyright on it). As a result, he has 80 shares that should not be there. Fuzzy had looked at it and agreed that it was definitely suspect.

I don't remember Fuzzy messaging me about that, but there were so many messages I could of lost it. Please message me with the person and article. We have plenty of time to delete the author from the payments list if necessary.

PM sent! Thanks, :).

I believe this thread should be locked and a link to the newer one should be posted as the first and last post for clarity. Should help with getting people situated better, :).

Newest DevCoin Thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233279.0
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If any Admins from Devtome are willing to help with Aegis, please feel free to P.M me. In the case your P.Ms are not reaching me, please email me @ aegisdevmod@gmail.com

There are only two writers with 80 shares, one of whom is the author of those short books (account is in his own name, that of the author, account was already activated by jasinlee a while ago and then me) and the other who similarly is porting them from gaming sites on which they were already published.

80 000 words, even if porting over is tough!  Respect! :) .  Took me 3 years to write 200 pages for my thesis!

Everybody has an opinion on the limit. I think 80 shares (not necessarily 80k words, I don't see why the word count matters if it's decent) is too high, but it is what it is.

I definitely agree with this.   My 200 pages are quite junk, I guess my supervisor and panel closed both eyes :), but just to share Tagore's few words, they are gems:

FAR AS I GAZE at the depth of Thy immensity
I find no trace there of sorrow or death or separation.
Death assumes its aspect of terror
and sorrow its pain
only when, away from Thee,
I turn my face towards my own dark self.

Thou All Perfect,
everything abides at Thy feet
for all time.

The fear of loss only clings to me
with its ceaseless grief,
but the shame of my penury
and my life’s burden
vanish in a moment
when I feel Thy presence
in the centre of my being.

I forgot to change my address till just now. I didn't expect the round to end so soon.

Well, round was scheduled on 93000, its 93300 already, kind of late ;)
They already moved it to 93300!

read here fin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233279.msg2460602#msg2460602

Frankly speaking those free books are quite interesting.  But of course using it to earn Devcoins would not be too nice.  But perhaps the administrator can include some of these free books for instance The Republic http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm from the Gutenberg project.  Long but interesting reading and will surely add substantial content to Devtome.

FYI: DVB Devcoin Bounty for Bitcoin Spinner like Android app canceled, funds will be distributed among the shareholders.
Even if there are Apps that support the wanted functions for Feathercoin and Litecoin, noone had interest to create that Software for Devcoin till today. Thats why we cancel this bounty and distribute it among the shareholders.

Unthinkingbit spoke a Bounty right after DVB last year for the same purpose. So expenses for this development are covered trough generation shares ....

Fine. Posting for new notifications.

Where can I find some March 2012 Devcoin stuff (that's when they were $10 ea right? Or was in May? Or April? I forget)

Sorry brother they were never close to that 10$ mark :(

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=3-months&resolution=day&pair=dvc-btc&market=vircurex

I search throughout Bitcointalk no such records at all :(

Yes they were. When I first joined Vircurex it was April, and it still showed the 10$ mark. It's just past the time for Vircurex, but I'm sure someone has a picture or something somewhere.

I think that could only plausibly be accurate if it was when maybe it was the first day DVC was on Vircurex, and that was just one of the first offers maybe?  

As you can see from the charts DVC was at the absolute most only close to about a $1, and only for a brief time, (.90 cents is the all-time high I could see), and was never anywhere around the $10 mark.  Actually I might be messing up my chart-reading again. I think maybe 9 cents was the all time high, not .90. 

When I first got here they were talking about it. It got to $10 falsely (someone manipulated the market), but it DID get there. And now that there are so many publishers on board, and the bounties are getting completed, the value should be able to get there naturally this time.

But since we talked about it, it is at least somewhere on the old Devcoin thread. Probably around page 70.

It was $10 falsely, but it was $10, and it can get there again through true development.

Well, we can at least all agree (I presume?) that it is misleading to state that Devcoin had a high of $10. If it did happen, and I don't think it did, it was a very brief aberration and in no way really indicative of the actual, respectable worth of Devcoin.

I'm not saying you are acting dishonestly or anything like that. Let's just change the statement to something a bit more reasonable for the benefit of everyone, and accuracy, and move on.  Sound reasonable?

Yeah, this sounds a lot like when FTC first got added to BTC-e and somehow the first one was traded at a 1:1 ratio for BTC. So for many hours, the entire chart was screwed up because it was using 1 BTC as the high value, when its real value was significantly smaller.

No one is using it as a standard for Devcoin value. All I ever said is that it is possible for it to get to $10 and that is true, since it DID do it before. And I will not stop sharing that information.

Not a false claim.

Well I'm not going to argue with you.

I think you are trying to swim upstream though. I think when you represent a community,  it is always better to go with the majority opinion.  I don't think many folks, out of the community at large, would side with you on this.

Also I don't think it does Devcoin any favors even it is shown to be technically accurate. New comers would then see that Devcoin is only worth about a millionth of what it was once worth a few months ago, which is not very inspiring.

I believe when representing a community, it is not about the "majority" (of 2 or 3?), it is about the culture and the history (truth).

Just wait till someone that knows what they are talking about replies. I've only been here for 2 months, but I know I'm right. So I know someone has the info.

If you want to see an official opinion, send a pm to Unthinkingbit. I think he has the final word in things like this, so it may go further.

Yeah, send it straight to him. Let him know I said DVC has been worth $10, and that you want it edited. I'm pretty sure he's the one that even told me that it was $10, and he even knew the name of the guy that made it happen (or at least the username). If it wasn't unthinkingbut that told me, it was Jasinlee or Markm or someone. It was like 2 months ago on the old Devcoin thread if you want to look it up.

You still not understand. It's not that important devcoin REALLY OR NOT reach a 10$ high price, but it is an insane price now for devcoin, and promoting devcoin by such a price is not so wise that people will think us just pumpers, and it's do no good (i don't say 'harm' because i'm not sure) for us the whole community.

No YOU'RE not getting it. I am not "promoting it by such a price", I am stating facts about its history.

Ok FinShaggy. At the very least then, I think your statement than puts the onus on you to show when Devcoin was worth 10$ then. You made the statement, so it is fair that you be the one to find proof of this.

If you can't find the proof, absolutely no reason not to remove the claim.

Fin, the spike on 21st april was 0.000006 dvc/btc. The high in btc on that day was 130.50, so highest case scenario then is 130.50 x 0.000006 = $0.00078
(when btc hit its high (10th april) of 266, the high in dvc on that day was 0.000002, so highest could have been $0.0005)

The chart uses mBTC so you need to divide by 1000.

I don't need proof, I'm just waiting for the person that told me to show up. It's one of the Devcoin OGs.

Well in my opinion, as a member of the community i understand what finshaggy is trying to do, at least he promotes devcoin on bitcointalk, and he is active in the forums, that is only a benefit to the community.

I am repeating what many people say, we should start some websites that allow content/goods to be bought/sold with devcoin, i have a few ideas, when i have time i will share them here or i will pm weisoq :)

I am currently working on that, I just have to get some goods.
As well as a DVC "Pay Per Appearance" video game service. (how it works) Play with me on Xbox live, I will be recording my games, so I will pay you for your cameo.

I'd take you up on this if I had a 360, :p. Sounds like an awesome idea!

Great initiative to have a moderated Devcoin thread which will eliminate spam.

The old thread was a bounty of solid DVC information until recently it's a shame it degenerated so.

While I understand where you're coming from, I seriously think it would be better to leave the decision of this argument up to Unthinkingbit. The back-and-forth banter going on here, I'm sure, is not helping anything. If anything, it's making things look worse to outsiders that may otherwise be interested in getting involved with DVC.

I agree, thanks for looking back at the chart and doing the calculations. The spike to 0.000006 dvc/btc was really brief, so the highest devcoin price for a day was around 0.0005$, the day btc hit its high.

Devcoins were traded at around 10$, for a very brief time, but that was a fat finger trade. For some reason a trader accidentally bought devcoins at a high price. I don't know why they did it, it may of been because they accidentally bought devcoins instead of bitcoins, maybe they didn't know devcoins are generated at one thousand times the bitcoin rate. Whatever the reason, that was not a true market price, just a glitch.

It's nice to see devcoins getting some attention for the past couple of months.  I've read a majority of the other thread, but there's a lot to wade through.  I don't know if it's been suggested, but I'd like to see a bounty for a Devcoin based freelance job site along the lines of http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4bitcoins.  Also, has anyone thought of recruiting donatees.  For instance the Awesome window manager and F-Droid FOSS app market already accept bitcoin donations and i think they should be eligible for devcoin shares as well.  Likely other free software projects would be interested in accepting devcoin donations too.  While the immediate effects would be dilution of the share pool and probably dumping for bitcoins, in the long term it would raise devcoin awareness, and bitcoin as well if non bitcoin users were recruited for devcoin share donations.

You may be interested in the following thread on devcointalk (http://devcointalk.org/index.php?topic=17.0) where we discuss something related (how to avoid users spamming the site with useless information).


Not intended as a criticism towards FinShaggy or anyone else; merely a pointer to further related discussion. It's a delicate issue whenever someone wants content from a community-driven site removed, doubly so when money is involved...

We are making an explanation video for Devcoin as a whole.
We'll make an animation video with an voice over. (Kinda like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo )
Do we have a final devcoin logo to use that is voted upon? Or can we push that vote up to now if possible.

Needs Clarification:

• Marticps does the animation, but needs a script, if someone is proficient at script writing please stand up.
  If someone already started a script who is it so we can mark you down.
• There is a small bounty available for producing a video, but considering that the rules dont really allow for expanding on it, we are asking for pledged donations for marticps as this is a monumental task and very important step to building up devcoin.
• There was not a certain date set for the video to be produced, but I am sure the bitcoin education site would like to have it sooner rather than later.
  I am planning on doing the voice over for free for the video.

Any comments please discuss.[/size]

For some reason my username wasn't on the round 24 csv file. No shares or anything. Did I do something wrong? I've PMed unthinkingbit but no reply yet, don't want to get left out on this!

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:tom


EDIT:
And something I found quite concerning; it seeds to be possible to go onto another user's page and edit the coin payment address. obviously I didn't click save but is this not a huge oversight in security? I doubt everyone checks their own payout address regularly, using a vanity address generator it wouldn't be too hard to imitate the first few characters to make it look similar!

Only a few points:
The video should be about 15 minutes. I find it maybe too long.
My skills can't do something as the video jasinlee posted, don't expect that please. I try to do something simple but pretty (https://mega.co.nz/#!Zp8TBCSQ!HsgP-z2rdA3rzy0c28TP20K7b6NOdmgbsb46p4QfHbw (Flash required, I hope fonts are embedded)).
I will do the animation in function of the script. It'd be better to record the off-voice before or to add timing at the script, in order to make the video and the audio fit in a proper way.

Thanks

$10 reference - I assumed that and all refs to $ figures had already been removed by Fin?

The video logo - a vote would be good. I like marticps logo and button fwiw. jasinlee/marticps - have you come up with a payment for the work? When you have I'll donate.

Tom - to delete the message just hit 'edit this page', delete the text, save. Unthinkingbit shoudl get back to you soon, esp as he messaged you which is probably about your dvc address

Marticps I would say just post your own donation address, and we can just send you coins directly. Please specify type that you would prefer btc/ltc/dvc etc.

Ah cool I was looking at the separate sub-section edit links.

I guess the address thing might be to do with me changing the payment address at the time of block 92998 or so cause I managed to mess up the devcoin client by updating net framework, so quickly installed it on my sisters pc! I've checked it and is definitely the correct one: 15btmQxdDU2ZNDnMUfURmsATjy8iCtZmaF


One thing I had wondered though: it seems to be possible to go onto another user's page and edit the coin payment address. obviously I didn't click save but is this not a huge oversight in security?
I doubt everyone checks their own payout address regularly; using a vanity address generator it wouldn't be too hard to imitate the first few characters to make the thief's address look very similar!

I'm not sure about the wallet address as I don't have anything to do with that side of things. Sounds like it should be easily resolved though.

The devtome security - yep this issue came up a while ago as a concern. From what I remember those with better knowledge than me were looking into how to change the configs to address it, along with enabling picture uploads. I don't know where anyone is with that, although I guess we'll now hear soon, but that's one of the reasons a message goes round before the final receiver file is put together to ensure wordcounts correspond to addresses which correspond with persons.

Pictures have been resolved, as for the user page, we have not found a decent solution for it yet.

Ok cheers. Do you know if that means we now allow art/photographs if anyone asks me again, or considered a little too easy/copyright fuzzy/file heavy to open the doors to yet?

yap i saw the 10$ mark on vircurex too, before the hacks and changes!

I agree Lawyer, but from what I saw Finshaggy was simply asking and stating that devcoin was at $10 at one point.

For us new guys who were not around at that point - there is no way to know it was a fluke.  I too read third party articles over the past 2 months which stated devcoin was at $10.

That said, this whole thing got way out of hand.  It was really one or two guys jumping all over Finshaggy like he did some horrible thing.

I agree we don't need pumpers but right now, with such low awareness I'd rather have some overly optimistic guy than some nagging hens riding some of our best contributors, such as finshaggy.  That's not going to help our cause.  This horse has been dead some-time now.

And as far as value goes, a literally worthless video game currency like Bitcoin went to $266 for no fundamental reason whatsoever, in under 90 days, so as crazy as a $50 Billion market cap sounds, it's possible if demand greatly outstrips supply for a few weeks which I think is possible once Bitcoin goes mainstream which I think will happen by next year.



**Finally, can somebody close this thread since most people are already on the aegis moderated thread?  Two open threads is causing confusion.  TIA

As far as I remember hearing, the address on the site is also really irrelevant since the real address is posted in the receiver file itself. If I remember right, the script ignores the address on devtome so that's really not an issue and wouldn't give anyone any benefits.

Although we do need locked user pages for sure.

Anyone able to write the script as a template for us as a guide that we can modify into the 15 minutes requested?

You're the third person who has stated seeing the $10 DVC price.  I think this is enough to prove Finshaggy was simply recollecting something he saw and all of the attacks against him need to be dropped.  I can't believe something like this got so out of hand in the first place.  It's like we're living in Russia or China.  Very strange behavior.

The trolls will continue to attack Finshaggy, they are not out there caring about whether DVC reached $10 or $10 million, they are out there to discredit the Devcoin.   No matter how we clarify, they certainly have other excuses of attacking DVC and Finshaggy.

Thanks for confirming what I felt.  It made no sense to me.  I thought maybe I was being paranoid.  It worked though, I haven't seen finshaggy post all day since he was attacked. 

I think they saw he was a major contributor and they targeted him.  Call me crazy but the whole attack seemed so overblown and exaggerated. Using 2 maybe 3 fairly new aliases they took the whole board over and relentlessly went after the poor guy.  Why, cause he recalled devcoin being at $10?  It makes no sense.

Please move the talk to the Aegis - Devcoin thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.0

This thread is now locked. The Aegis moderation is around the clock, so there'll almost no trolling on the new thread.

Also, please don't feed the trolls on troll threads, there's no reasoning with them and by posting their thread moves up to the front page.