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Title: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: fishnick on October 31, 2017, 10:15:03 PM We have a few lists of Best ICO's for November and overall Q4.
But pre-sales / pre-icos's usually offers a better deal on tokens. What are you TOP 3 pics for presales? I will start with: 1) WePower.NETWORK Green energy trading platform. There are a few competitors, however execution of this team is impressive. They have a demo "platform", but it is not a _real_ MVP, just a mockup and proof of concept, but community support is tremendous and funding is plentifull. UPDATE - pre-ico is over, ico in Feb 2) IUNGO.NETWORK Global wireless internet provider. They are building platform to run a swarm/network of hotspots. Demo is available and if you have a compatible hardware you can turn your router to IUNGO router. They started just recently, but community is gathering quickly. 3) not sure ... There are many strong ICO's, but not so many pre-ICO's. My expectations for pre-icos is to have a solid whitepaper, team of real people (with verifiable identities), at least some kind of uniqueness and/or usefulness of a token. MVP is not necessary, but is nice to have. What I’m missing? Help me to fill no. 3 Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: sillypothead on October 31, 2017, 10:46:27 PM +1 wepower
+1 for iungo add to the list: Jibrel Network Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: cluethunder on October 31, 2017, 10:51:17 PM my vote goes to wepower
it's getting like eurovision :) any fans out there? Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: prodigalson on October 31, 2017, 10:51:52 PM I heard Hacken is doing great job. Allthoough it's being done by shitty Ambisafe and you'll deal with their shitty orderbook.io, they collected 2.7 mln in less than 24h.
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: wimpythunder on October 31, 2017, 10:58:44 PM wow, results for Hacken are awesome, but for F***'s sake, why do they need a token(s) for, thats a red flag?
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Librium on October 31, 2017, 11:48:16 PM I am going to do some shameless self promotion, but the Librium EQL would be the missing addition to this list. Unlike many ICOs which have emerged over the past 2 months or so, Librium expands on a "real" existing product, not simply an idea, has an impressive team, and is backed by some be people in the space.
PreSale: Nov 8, 2017 Crowd Sale: Dec 8, 2017 www.Librium.com (http://www.Librium.com) Thoughts? Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: gredisgold88 on November 01, 2017, 12:39:50 AM We have a few lists of Best ICO's for November and overall Q4. But pre-sales / pre-icos's usually offers a better deal on tokens. What are you TOP 3 pics for presales? I will start with: 1) WePower.NETWORK Green energy trading platform. There are a few competitors, however execution of this team is impressive. They have a demo "platform", but it is not a _real_ MVP, just a mockup and proof of concept, but community support is tremendous and funding is plentifull. UPDATE - pre-ico is over, ico in Feb 2) IUNGO.NETWORK Global wireless internet provider. They are building platform to run a swarm/network of hotspots. Demo is available and if you have a compatible hardware you can turn your router to IUNGO router. They started just recently, but community is gathering quickly. 3) not sure ... There are many strong ICO's, but not so many pre-ICO's. My expectations for pre-icos is to have a solid whitepaper, team of real people (with verifiable identities), at least some kind of uniqueness and/or usefulness of a token. MVP is not necessary, but is nice to have. What I’m missing? Help me to fill no. 3 the most successful pre ico crowdsale is enjine and qtum. napoleonx will follow the success of enjine in pre ico sale and crowdsale ico. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: iungonetwork on November 01, 2017, 12:54:24 AM Here at IUNGO, we are glad that you like our project
For those who are interested please visit https://iungo.network/ (https://iungo.network/) and join our lively Telegram chat. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: nixoid on November 02, 2017, 05:01:02 AM I heard Hacken is doing great job. Allthoough it's being done by shitty Ambisafe and you'll deal with their shitty orderbook.io, they collected 2.7 mln in less than 24h. Could you point to any ICO platform that works better? (don't mess with shitty ico scripts) I'm not aware of any operational. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: feelideb on November 02, 2017, 06:51:06 AM Spectre.ai pre-sale raised $5million dollar in less than 24hrs if that is not part of Top presale I wonder where you get your list from. Sale is still on going with public sale stated for Nov 17th. Get in now!
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: kaloloy on November 02, 2017, 06:55:14 AM There are actually too many ICOs that which still approaching, currently running or on sale and ICOs that are already circulated tokens and coins in the wild so this season - is very hard to figure out which ICOs are promising and has a good future and ICOs or Altcoins that are dying and already dead.
In my own opinion, I'm not interested on ICOs but I only think about top Altcoins and invest as early as possible. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: jorneyflair on November 02, 2017, 07:14:14 AM I don't know about Pre-ICOs that much honestly because probably only half of the ICOs out there do it and not everyone does it. But from what i've heard Bazista is currently entering into the pre-ICO stage and you could take a look at them.
The thing is investing in pre-ICOs are probably way more risky than actual icos, even though you are getting a better deal since you don't know how the investors and markets in general is going to respond to the project. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: sky24 on November 02, 2017, 07:36:06 AM Looking at upcoming ICOs this month I recommend you check out Propthereum.io. All proceeds raised from their ICO will be used to purchase A-grade property worldwide. This will generate rental income and underlying value for the PTC token holder. This means the coin is backed by real estate, one of the strongest markets in the world. The great thing about this concept is that the coin will always increase in value.
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Mudaser on November 02, 2017, 07:39:21 AM Looking at upcoming ICOs this month I recommend you check out Propthereum.io. All proceeds raised from their ICO will be used to purchase A-grade property worldwide. This will generate rental income and underlying value for the PTC token holder. This means the coin is backed by real estate, one of the strongest markets in the world. The great thing about this concept is that the coin will always increase in value. Look at what is happening with REAL Markets, almost same concept. Currently trading at 3x below ICO price. Same goes to Propy. I don't think its a wise idea to invest in REAL estate ICO. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: asriloni on November 02, 2017, 07:42:47 AM We have a few lists of Best ICO's for November and overall Q4. Bitclave and spectre.ai both were achieving a lot of amount at the pre sale and you can try to see about the fact that. both has so many people are interested in the ico sale. Thousands member of the telegram without any manipulation through the telegram bounty.But pre-sales / pre-icos's usually offers a better deal on tokens. What are you TOP 3 pics for presales? I will start with: 1) WePower.NETWORK Green energy trading platform. There are a few competitors, however execution of this team is impressive. They have a demo "platform", but it is not a _real_ MVP, just a mockup and proof of concept, but community support is tremendous and funding is plentifull. UPDATE - pre-ico is over, ico in Feb 2) IUNGO.NETWORK Global wireless internet provider. They are building platform to run a swarm/network of hotspots. Demo is available and if you have a compatible hardware you can turn your router to IUNGO router. They started just recently, but community is gathering quickly. 3) not sure ... There are many strong ICO's, but not so many pre-ICO's. My expectations for pre-icos is to have a solid whitepaper, team of real people (with verifiable identities), at least some kind of uniqueness and/or usefulness of a token. MVP is not necessary, but is nice to have. What I’m missing? Help me to fill no. 3 Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: eching on November 02, 2017, 08:04:30 AM Based on personal opinion....I have a very strange top 3 pre-ICOs, some of which are fairly unknown but had a solid team and a promising product.
1) IUNGO.NETWORK - because I love the idea that there is something out there that can potentially break up this current oligopoly setup. We're too dependent on current internet providers, so much that they know they can fix a price on it and we can't do much about it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2196784.40 2) KR8OS - the underdog I'm rooting for. Their platform is bringing transparency to advertising to legitimize ad traffic. I may be biased as I am familiar with advertising mechanisms, but I believe it's something the advertising world needs. We're so used to thinking ads are scams or can lead us to adware that we forget ads are just simply ads sometimes. Note I am employed here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2322677 3) TOTUM - who wouldn't want to be paid for gaming? This idea is promising and I hope, as a gamer, that it really happens. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2235091.0 Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: CarlJohnson89 on November 02, 2017, 10:23:44 PM I believe Heardbeats is a strong project. Pre-ICO starts tonorrow. They have a nice and clear white paper and website and the team is eager to answering questions on telegram. Seems like they are doing a great job to attract the first investors for the pre-ICo that gives a 50% bonus.
The project itself focuses on a VR experience for concerts. Especially for people that missed out on ticket sale for live concerts. This is a huge market given the high demand vs supply of those tickets. If they raise enough funds they will even develop their own VR platform. Look them up! Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: craigpo on November 03, 2017, 01:46:10 AM My vote goes for Cybermiles. Very strong team, worldwide reach, and partnership with the app 5miles (over 12 million users)
Just saw this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/curtissilver/2017/10/03/5miles-launches-cybermiles-blockchain-project-to-decentralize-the-online-marketplace/#411bd4ae6d3a Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Islapdonkey on November 03, 2017, 04:37:23 AM I heard Hacken is doing great job. Allthoough it's being done by shitty Ambisafe and you'll deal with their shitty orderbook.io, they collected 2.7 mln in less than 24h. Could you point to any ICO platform that works better? (don't mess with shitty ico scripts) I'm not aware of any operational. This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: tevayo on November 03, 2017, 05:22:16 AM I would like to recommend :-
1.XENIO -the project seems very promising and has a very strong team.the project has already raised more than 3 million dollars in the ongoing first round of pre sale. You can join the pre sale here https://xenio.io 2. INDAHASH is another project i will advice you to invest in. It is based upon the idea of marketing and advertising and has a solid team. The pre ICO will begin on November 9. You can check it out here https://indahash.com/ico#participate. This project can show serious amount of growth in future. 3.TOTUM is also a good project which has a lot of potential to grow . You can check it out here https://totum.in Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: iLatios on November 03, 2017, 06:42:58 AM I want to add BelugaPay to this list. I think, BelugaPay is worth investing and it can help you to make a profit.
I recommend BelugaPay! Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: wimpythunder on November 04, 2017, 12:16:45 AM I heard Hacken is doing great job. Allthoough it's being done by shitty Ambisafe and you'll deal with their shitty orderbook.io, they collected 2.7 mln in less than 24h. Could you point to any ICO platform that works better? (don't mess with shitty ico scripts) I'm not aware of any operational. This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. I'm new here. What do you mean, who is nixoid? google brings up A.Z. and project ambisafe, right? ambisafe was a scam? Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: aTriz on November 04, 2017, 07:41:09 AM 1. Bazista
2. Pundi X 3. Indahash Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Dmitry.Vastov on November 04, 2017, 08:05:28 AM I think my top three picks would be XENIO, INDAHASH and PUNDI X as all of these projects are based on very unique ideas and have a strong team. XENIO is a project based upon the idea of decentralized gaming and it has already raised more than 3 million dollars in the first week of presale. INDAHASH is a project based upon the idea to revolutionize the digital marketing world and has alot of potential. I think that its pre sale will begin by next week and has alot of potential PUNDI X is a very unique project and has a very strong team. The project can show tremendous amount of growth within one year of launch.
1. Bazista 2. Pundi X 3. Indahash Bazista also appears pretty promising in the long run. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: blurryeyed on November 05, 2017, 10:19:57 PM I heard Hacken is doing great job. Allthoough it's being done by shitty Ambisafe and you'll deal with their shitty orderbook.io, they collected 2.7 mln in less than 24h. Could you point to any ICO platform that works better? (don't mess with shitty ico scripts) I'm not aware of any operational. This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. I'm new here. What do you mean, who is nixoid? google brings up A.Z. and project ambisafe, right? ambisafe was a scam? This is nixoid: any statement already from Polybius team or Emercoin about the scam accusations? what about any statement from nixoid who started this Polybius thread and the CEO of Ambisafe? Who also have started the ICO threads of other ICOs: OROCRYPT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1925056.0 COMPCOIN https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965246.0 The OP of this thread, nixoid is as dodgy as hell. All he does is post new ICO's then disappears again. Look through his post history: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=244;sa=showPosts;start=0 He claims his name is Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe, representative (whatever that means) of propy.com & the owner of several online businesses: http://bitmerch.com - **gone** - domain for sale. http://btc-dealer.com - **gone** - domain for sale. Complaints of non-payments: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=330397.0 Since starting up Ambisafe all he's done is log on, announce ICO's on BCT, log off again. No support. No questions answered. Nothing. Here's a list of them so far (english ones only, there are also some russian ones): Inchain - **failed** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1623519.2100 TaaS - **failed - confirmed scam** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1922777.80 BitCAD - **barely alive - multiple scam accusations** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1865997.420 Polybius - **ongoing - multiple scam accusations**: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.1700 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1952266.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1942398.msg19291453#msg19291453 OROCRYPT - **ongoing - for now** - be careful: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1925056.160 Orderbook - **latest attempt** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1980695.0 CryptoCarbon - **barely alive - multiple scam accusations** https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1624142.20 Chronobank.io - **ongoing - make your own mind up** (No official ann on BCT from nixoid, but it is listed on ambisafe site) CompCoin - ** new - many unanswered questions & zero info** Not sure what it is tbh: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1965246.20 Judging by his post history & failed/scam projects, it's looking pretty grim for anyone who invested in this Hashcoins scam eh? Ambisafe my arse. Ambiscam fits better. His name is Andrey Zamovsky aka nixoid, aka FintechEU & a few other aliases to boot. He/Ambisafe are responsible for more scams since I posted the above warning about him 5 months ago, including Polybius, LevelNet, Worldcore, Micromoney, BitCad, CryptoCarbon, Compcoin, Cryptaur, Authorship, etc, etc. Ambisafe/Andrey Zamovsky are the biggest ICO scammers in Crypto - don't touch them!!! Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: johnsaributua on November 05, 2017, 10:25:21 PM how about Spectre.ai ?
the pre-sale have raise $6M in 5 days Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: internaldr on November 05, 2017, 11:03:08 PM how about Spectre.ai ? the pre-sale have raise $6M in 5 days Specter is having a good pre-sale period. I think he'il get more money. can be considered for investment. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: mosprognoz on November 05, 2017, 11:35:38 PM Could you point to any ICO platform that works better? (don't mess with shitty ico scripts) Hey dude.. Still scamming around with scammy ICO's ? Soon you will became a world record holder in scamming people with scam ICO's. You have been already awarded with Ph.D degree in scamming, from the university of fraudsters and con artists! I'm not aware of any operational. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: V1saya on November 05, 2017, 11:48:36 PM If you want an ICO with an already existing project then why don't you try to check out Get Protocol/GUTS Project? A simply visit of their website will tell you that the project has already shown something even before they began their ICO. The project has already proven that they can deliver. The team is working great and has sold a thousand tickets already to a thousand customers. They have also resold tickets with the same original price.
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Zerosk on November 05, 2017, 11:50:50 PM It's good that you mention that and open that subject. If a Pre-Ico succeeds it's a sign that ICO will succeed as well.
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: VectorExchange on November 06, 2017, 12:27:43 AM Definitely vector (https://vectorexchange.io). Presale starts in a couple days, and they have everything you mentioned AND a mobile app already on the app store
Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: awilliams on November 06, 2017, 01:51:12 AM Cybermiles is currently in their pre-registration phase. It looks like they also have an airdrop and referral links where you can win extra CMT.
http://cm.5miles.com/ Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Ertetert on November 06, 2017, 10:07:52 AM This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. Exactly for this reason the newest Ambisafe project - Orderbook uses KYC authentification and actively working on making the whole service compliant with local regulations form countries around the world. Because this is what scammers do - they openly connect their BTC talk profiles with public profiles in social media. And they put some effort into making their ICO ecosystem as transparent as possible. Right? Oh wait, no. That's the opposite of what scammers are doing. Scammers hide their real faces and make their schemes as shady as possible. Also extorters publish their comments from networks of anonymous accounts backing their words with... nothing. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: Islapdonkey on November 08, 2017, 07:18:22 AM This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. Exactly for this reason the newest Ambisafe project - Orderbook uses KYC authentification and actively working on making the whole service compliant with local regulations form countries around the world. Because this is what scammers do - they openly connect their BTC talk profiles with public profiles in social media. And they put some effort into making their ICO ecosystem as transparent as possible. Right? Oh wait, no. That's the opposite of what scammers are doing. Scammers hide their real faces and make their schemes as shady as possible. Also extorters publish their comments from networks of anonymous accounts backing their words with... nothing. oh plz spare me the extortion claim, i and several other fell for it with the polybius ico. I actually believed someone was trying to extort this scam fucks. Oh also, spare me the bs from an acct with 14 post, some of us have been around for a while and know better. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Nixoid has listed approximately 10 ICO and each one either failed after the ICO was complete or performing extremely poor in the market. Also, the admins tend to disappear soon as the ICO is complete. The last update from the Polybius team post ICO was sometime in JULY, and we in November. Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: cryptoenterprise on November 08, 2017, 07:46:48 AM I'd like to help you fill point no3...
I would like to share my thought on what a good ICO is to invest in November. I've recently joined the trade.io bounty program. trade.io is an innovative new blockchain trading platform that will disrupt the financial ecosystem and democratize the markets. They use peer-to-peer platforms to support the trading of a wide range of assets, and will be launching their own cryptocurrency, the Trade Token, which was available to purchase via PRE-ICO on 7 November. Information about the token itself and how much it would cost is on the website and you can find it at this link here https://trade.io/ . I feel that this is an ICO to be looked at, I've good research on this project and read through the whitepaper and I've check the team behind this ICO, they are SOLID, in general it's all legit. Check the Bounty program for trade.io if you want to participate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2370663 Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: wimpythunder on November 09, 2017, 11:57:05 PM This guy nixoid!! i guess you finally came out hiding. every ICO you have been involved in, all ended up scamming there investors. We will actively monitor your accts now, and any other ico you try to post here will be filled with large scam posters of the gate. You already made several millions so am sure you could care less but just know we patiently waiting for you to list an ico. Exactly for this reason the newest Ambisafe project - Orderbook uses KYC authentification and actively working on making the whole service compliant with local regulations form countries around the world. Because this is what scammers do - they openly connect their BTC talk profiles with public profiles in social media. And they put some effort into making their ICO ecosystem as transparent as possible. Right? Oh wait, no. That's the opposite of what scammers are doing. Scammers hide their real faces and make their schemes as shady as possible. Also extorters publish their comments from networks of anonymous accounts backing their words with... nothing. oh plz spare me the extortion claim, i and several other fell for it with the polybius ico. I actually believed someone was trying to extort this scam fucks. Oh also, spare me the bs from an acct with 14 post, some of us have been around for a while and know better. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. Nixoid has listed approximately 10 ICO and each one either failed after the ICO was complete or performing extremely poor in the market. Also, the admins tend to disappear soon as the ICO is complete. The last update from the Polybius team post ICO was sometime in JULY, and we in November. thank you I was considering ambisafe for one of my projects, not any more I guess Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: fishnick on November 10, 2017, 12:02:37 AM Spectre.ai pre-sale raised $5million dollar in less than 24hrs if that is not part of Top presale I wonder where you get your list from. Sale is still on going with public sale stated for Nov 17th. Get in now! true, thats a good one, should be on the list I mean, they are good at marketing and execution (so far), but the idea itself is mediocre at best Title: Re: Top 3 PRE-ICOs / PRESALES (early sales only, no ico's) Post by: serkhio on March 05, 2018, 11:13:58 AM Hahahaha, u posted this in the Oct. 2017 and now is Mar. 2018. The Wepower' price is not bad compared to the pre-ico price while the iungo express badly as it drop sharply.
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