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Hello ,
I am still waiting ANTMINER D3 november batch , bitmain did not sent it yet but ANTMINER D3 income is already reduced to 3-4usd per day . If i calculate custom tax , shipping etc etc.. 2100usd / 4 = will never roi . So this is not ok for me.
Everybody is buying such miner to make some profit or at least not make loss.
I dont need some adviced needs time machine like "you shouldnt buy ,if you blabla" .
Since we are their clients and since many their clients not happy , there should be a way . So what is next? what can be done ?

Best regards.

https://i.imgur.com/xRP2hIR.jpg

Well, you have bought a device. They don't care of the price and difficulty (of course they do, but they will never admit it), they only sell hardware.
Did you agree to get the ANTMINER this late? Or did you agree to get it no matter what and no matter how late? Read all again. If you didn't agree, if they are late and it's their fault, not Post's, I guess that there can be a way to not accept the product and get your money back.
But there are a lot of IFs there, you have some homework to do.

$4 a day? That sound optimistic. If your power is 0.20 cents/kW, your current profit with the 19.3 GH/s batch at 1200 W is less than $1 a day.

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=19300.00&p=1200.00&pc=0.20&pf=3.00&d=27742603.21356480&r=1.80147602&er=0.03700200&btcer=7419.54010000&hc=2100.00

Guess you're going to have to HODL.

it does not matter what they said or not, are you buying any miner which makes not profit but loss ?
So no need to think complicated and this is why they already removed link for ANTMINER D3 from their site. Because it is USELESS . so this is a real problem because who bought antminer d3 november or what every bitmain will loose their confidence . And if customer satisfaction or confidence is nothing so no need to say anything.

Yeah we are pretty much fukd.. but at the end of the day, bitmain will not compensate you nor will they entertain refund requests. That is clearly stated on their t&c already.
The only way we can see profit is to mine the x11 coins and hold till it reaches a certain price. Its going to be a long bumpy ride to roi. But we will get there eventually.

all such result is related with how many unit that they sold.
So i can say that this company crook, because there were not such issue in their previous products so they exactly used people's confidence that comes from their other products , and screwed many people by Antminer d3.
Maybe we can do something about this one , maybe need to send some email to related accounts about tax evading by bitcoin payments . so if many people will send such mails and their scams , we can take revenge.

The problem is DASH is a bad coin to mine with ASIC's. In addition to the difficulty adjustment that uses DGW, the block reward also adjusts with every block and is based on the total network hash rate. The higher the hash rate, the LOWER the block reward is. With tons of new ASIC's joining the pool, it's a race to the bottom in terms of the mining reward.


https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/total-dash-per-day-reward.14973/#post-127264

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/DOC/pages/1146926/Dark+Gravity+Wave

Stop blaming others for your own bad decisions. The flaw was thinking mining is lucrative and profitable and you did what everyone else was doing. That's not always the case even with asics. They tend to work on slim margins and profits for the short term and hold long term. Often times you will make more buying the coin instead of mining it.

When you take on the role as a miner you do it to build a strong miner support trend line on the price of the coin. Which is good in the long run and your accumulated supply. Never go all in on mining that was my first mistake. Always buy some coins also.

I feel bad for those that spent 6k for a dash miner but that was their own dumb decision to pay the 2nd hand high premium.

Don't blame bitmain for your lack of profits. GPU mining had it worst we were down to $2 dollar a day zcash with a 1080 ti.

I dont think so, exactly need to blame Bitmain and their supporters. Logic of mining,  it should make some income. I dont talk about profit , because we should talk about loss when we were talking about antminer d3.
So also bitmain sold many units and this is directly related with their policy. Before they sold other miners step by step , do you know why ? because to get customers confidence. if every bitmain products will bring loss , are you going to buy anyway ? of course not incase of you are not dumb.

You can be glad you did not order a inno miner for 10k which does 30GH and is not even out.
Bitmain wanted to burn the competition and threw out so many D3. They achieved it.
They do the same they did with competition for Bitcoin-asics some time ago- flood the market with their miners for cheap price so ROI is impossible for the other buyers.
Now BM has even delisted the D3, they very well knew what they are doing and stopped selling them now. The bombs have fallen. But not all of them - yet.

Wow so thats what happened. First time getting caught up in this miner manufacturer war, and its not a good feeling right now. But i still have hope, and believe in holding dash for long term anyways.
You mentioned bitmain did this to other manufacturering company? Can you give me more details regarding this.
What was the competitors name and model of bitmain and competitor's model miners?
I would like to do some research into this.
Was the units bitmain pumping out that time as bad as the d3 profitably currently?

I really sympathize with your losses. for bitcoin there is asic competition from public and private hardware... Dash, even without taking into account the release, is way less interesting that pivx... POS no asics and of course has moved beyond masternode mixing for zerocoin protocol, way better.

Staking won the privacy race.

But still, you could have bought pivx and be happy, but you chose to play the asic game.

For me it's a good thing, your money went to where it will better used (bitmain), it's just market at work.

It was the time of Avalon vs Bitmain i think. Now Avalon is a nice memory of the past.

I wonder how many ASIC manufacturers also use the first batches to mine themselves and make way more than selling the hardware right away.


Also, I coulnd't find info but it's estimated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2029822.msg20242140#msg20242140) the D3's use a 28nm fabrication process while the S9's are using a 16nm process. So there might be 16nm (or even more efficient ASICs (http://1stminingrig.com/mining-news-7nm-asics-thing)) X11 ASICs on the way or even already working in private hands. We just don't know, we can only see the difficulty but we don't know the numbers behind each company.


I think the ASIC bubble will pop soon for Bitcoin as well and people will realize they can only earn peanuts after the big boys funding their ASICs discard them once they're done. And while having more ASIC manufacturer is certainly better on paper, the possible profits to be made (and investments to be lost) makes the nature of the competition so cutthroat I think where most ASICs will eventually go to a couple of private hands instead to home miners.

ALL OF THEM ! Why wouldn't they? everyone can build his own miner... they all started and very recently from nothing.

Is it possible if an asic is well clean with air spray to know if it was used already? it could be "testing"...

but frankly all who got caught took the bet, and maybe who knows may recoup their losses... but I hope they did their homework before buying it blindly. And at least will learn from the experience, and more than that share it with others, like so many did with past miners.

Bitmain used their references, history or good feedbacks to sell D3 . And if a miner is already useless before delivery  this is clearly fraud. Because they are not innosilicon or whatever else, and i am not only one who bought d3 , old bitmain clients also bought d3 .Because company created trust , then used this for fraud.

Ok what is next , so many people lost money due to this company's latest action , is there any one have an any idea what to do?

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Bitmain offered for sale and YOU bought a X11 ASIC miner scheduled November delivery and that's exactly what Bitmain is delivering to you. In fact given the new miner batch is getting 19.3 GH/s, Bitmain  over delivered on their product. ASIC's are advanced mining hardware and it's assumed you should know what you are getting in to. There is no guarantee of profits in any kind of mining.

Bullshit!

There won't  be a new x11 miner for a long time. Even if a manufacturer  makes something twice as efficient  and twice  as fast it won't matter cause they know the network is stuffed and consumers have no confidence anymore in the algo. X11 Multipools that payout in anything but dash are also to blame but we should count our blessings as all these payouts in btc have helped the btc price get to where it is today. Free heating is still free, just get used to wearing ear muffs.

I know a guy who bought D3 for 18k$
The guy isn't happy
This happens to anyone who don't does his homework well

If you can afford the el. fee then mine, hope and hodl, if not, congrats you have a peace of nice looking metal

People made a financial investment in a product that COULD make a roi. Bitmain over delivered on the specs and even shipped early on some orders. They never promised any definitive profit. They gave a great price compared to some companies  ( although  the first and second batch was too much but at least they came to their senses on the third and after). They cant choose how you sell your dash. They cant choose to only sell to sophisticated investors.Yes they made too many miners with too many batches but this is what businesses do they make money. Their website issues also fueled the demand making the d3 buying frenzy worse. I bet if all these disgruntled customers  hypothetically owned stock in bitmain or amd or nvidia then they wouldn't be complaining as much. People were warned on these forums about how these machines won't be worth it with the expecting difficulty  increases and yet they were laughed at and accused of downramping to acquire more of the miners for themselves.

The antminer D3 Sold out in seconds.  I still can't buy a D3 and I've been looking at bitmain website everyday. How can you say bitmain flooded the market with D3 they clearly didn't.  They been sold out for quite awhile

I'll still buy one just for fun and maybe mine some other x11 coins like helium.

Bitmain has no control over the Dash or it's prices.  But they can deliver the best x11 miner and they did just that.


If anyone is to blame it's yourself and the Dash fan boys for getting way over hyped up about Dash,, or go blame Dash for not keeping up with fast pace development to meet your price/profit expectations.  I'm quite surprised that those  wasting money by buying D3 miners had the chance to buy it below $40 per dash and now they decided they want to mine it for fractions of a coin. You know who you are,

Next time, grow some balls and buy some coins and do some trading.  Stop crying like a little girl in your mining cave that you can't generate satisfactory profits.  Learn to take a loss here and there and stop doing what everyone else is doing.

So every body accept they sold miners which are useless and can not make any profit.
So everybody should remember ,at least, BITMAIN is a company that fools its own clients sometimes . Dont trust this company because they can sell you some ultra expensive heaters, if you are not lucky.. And there is no sense comparing this company with amd or nvidia, mostly they sold general purpose gpu which means you can play at least game or etc.. but asic miner is MINER , and MINER means makes profit. So no body will run any miner if there is loss. This is so clear but some how some BiTMAIN partners trying to protect their company...

Bitmain has no  control over network difficulty or the price of a coin.  You think they know the future and it's price action.  NOBODY DOES!, Stop crying and blaming others.

X11 has been nuked for now. I really wonder if that is what bitmain's plan was or if they overshot their goal.
They must have somehow known what they drop on that tiny market-cap of X11 with these sizeable batches.
Having these machines turn from Highly Profitable to Hated Heater in about 3 Months is quite quick.

But hey maybe some nutjob does a bitcoin-save-the D3-owners-X11-fork and everyone is saved  :P

Completely agree, you are not the only one stuck with D3s. The difference now is how you deal with it.

Worst case you can sell it on eBay, someone will buy it.

Then take money to buy some BTC to wait for Segwit2x.

I can sell to you D3 or i think there is many can sell brandnew d3 units to you in this forum , do you want ? of course no right ? May be BITMAIN produces some ASIC trolls also ha ?

You thought you were buying  some kind of golden goose that lays golden eggs? LOL. At least you found out there are risks in mining, ESPECIALLY in ASIC's, which are a one trick pony. The miner does everything it was promised to do and then some, so the fact you can't make ROI in 30 days or as soon as you would like is not Bitmain's fault. Even at zero current profit you can still mine Dash at less cost than could you buy it, so be thankful for that and hope it goes up long term or go find some other X11 shit coin to rape.

again and again this is exactly BITMAIN's fault because they fake us. They did not sell such units first time or there were nosuch example that bitmain sold useless miner.So this time they used all their previous credibility to sell thousands of d3 units. this is clearly fraud.

And again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26VMhVLuHc

I made a few points about what bitmain did wrong. Im not protecting bitmain im just stating some facts that the buyer should had been more aware of if they did their own research and how the way they mined
Is partly responsible for the tiny profits today. A lot of the blame was in the demand, and bitmain fulfilled that demand, eventually but too much and we are mainly to blame for that because a lot of people didn't do enough research. Around 1500 is not as bad a deal if that's what you paid, better then 2700. If you bought any batches for late November and onwards  you should have done more research. Innosilicon was far worse, 10k and delayed shipping they are truly screwed. Not every investment is guaranteed  to make a profit. There most likely won't be another x11 miner for a long time so everyone who is stuck with these things have plenty of time to earn, to hold their coins, sell their coins in the far future when it doubles or triples , or sell their miners to others with cheaper electricity ( even if its at a small loss ) or you can get cheaper electricity yaself.
Mining is an investment but it's less risky then some. I'd rather own a d3 now then enron stock in '01 . X11 profits sucks now but in the future anything can happen that increases those profits. You just have to be patient.

In my opinion, Bitmain should give to all D3 customers (from batch October) 300USD discount coupon as compensation extremely bad yield.

Hell yeah or 1st batch order guarantee with priority shipping on their next major miner.

So, theoretically , what would happen to Dash in this example, but it could happen with any other coin, if mining becomes unprofitable?
Is it the end of the coin? Would people still mine it? If not how would the network process the transactions?

And you will by from them with your coupon another miner? xD

Other x11 coins will come.  SCD should be ready around first of year. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2002854.new#new

As the network hash rate drops the diffculty adjusts and makes it easier to mine. AFAIK, Dash was also the first coin that adjusts the block reward lower as the difficulty increases. That creates a mining reward incentive if the difficulty drops too much and keeps large farms from centralizing the hash power and gaming the difficulty like happens with SHA256 coins.

They are?  I mean, the company's not called Avalon any more, but I'm enjoying my 741s and I'm looking forward to the 761 which is apparently right around the corner.  If ebang can clean up their production quality a bit, and get power management to a more reasonable level, they'll be a threat, too.

Yep but it won't be a x11 miner lol

So, the D3 will be really dead only if new more powerful miner will be available providing greater hash/kWh rate or dash becomes just useless...

I have 4 arriving next week and another 5 arriving late November. I am pretty pissed. It was a bad investment. I'm doing good with my L3+s. I wish I spent my $$ on more L3+s instead. I think the nature of mining is that it's high risk. Those who say those who bought should've done more research... no way. I did a lot of research and a lot of modeling. What's happening now was my worst case scenario. I don't think there's any amount of research one could have done to foresee this as the likely scenario. Everybody is to blame, forget pointing fingers.

The best thing one can do is to try to diversify so a bad investment doesn't ruin everything. I invested in Chipolte, I'm down 50%. I also invested in NVIDIA and am up 200%. This is kind of the same. I hope I make more good investments than bad. Could Bitmain have been more thoughtful? I think so. Could the modeling Bitmain did based on number of units sold have better predicted the outcome? I kind of think so. Or maybe they didn't do any modeling. Bitmain was never forthcoming about units produced/sold. That's a key piece of information those of us doing research didn't have.

If I was Bitmain I might have been thoughtful enough in my modeling (knowing my market influence) to at least try to make sure those who bought what I sold would at least likely break even. I have to think there's more at stake for Bitmain than D3s. Their reputation is on the line. If Bitman's focus was to feed the demand, who cares who breaks even... that' short sighted.

The D3 demand was extremely high... but what's the demand going to be for the next several generations of their product line? What's the impact to their bottom line going to be because of all the people who got screwed on D3s? I'm going to remember. I think everyone else will too. The demand that exists now isn't always going to be there. And if I get screwed... well screw you too.

There are new players coming into town, Japan, Russia. Can I rely on Bitmain to at least get me back what I paid for the product? Nope. I'm not loyal, I'll take my business elsewhere. And I hope everyone else does too. In the future Bitmain is not going to have the lock on the market that it does now. In the future, if I can buy a similar product from someone else, I may. I think there will be more options.

So what will I do now? I'll try to sell what I can on eBay with hope of breaking even, selling to some poor sucker, and mining with what I have leftover until I can't anymore.

Who I feel bad for is the individual who doesn't have the $$ to be diverse, sunk what they had into D3s, and now they're totally screwed... and they can't do anything else.

And then - screw you Bitmain, I'm taking my D3s to the dump.

If I was Bitmain, I would admit to the scenario that's playing out, and I would give everyone from November forward a $500 discount per unit purchased on a future product sale. I'd at least have a little more respect for them.

Want to see a good model? Look @ the Siacoin Obliesk. They tell you how many miners they're producing up front, they tell you what to expect in terms Siacoin, and they're giving an exclusive mining period on the first batch - almost guaranteeing you'll at least break even. That's a great model, it builds trust.

what calculator are you using?  the crypto compare one is inaccurate says alot of people.  the coinwarz shows it as fairly profitable in the long run.  also the value of the coin should go up..

totally agree

Actually it was bitmain vs spoondoolies tech vs some others I can’t recall. Bitmain flooded the market with s3 dropping price down next to nothin.  Also at that time Bitcoin was trading in the 170-300 range dropping most of that time.  Bitmain has been an Achilles heal for Bitcoin since they came onto the scene. They are some bad actors and nothing much we can do.  If btc is indestructible it should push right Over Bitmain in the end.   As far as the alts it’s hard to say if they can take such an attack.  

BR

Also to my knowledge Avalon still exists and are selling 8-10ths miners. Avalon a7 something like that I beleive

It's horrible...

Sorry guys. If you dont want to run your D3 contact me if you are in usa. I already put in a big electrical system so i cant tirn back.

I read everything you've written so far and I have a thing to add. Nobody can convince me that someone like Bitmain could not make the simple calculation how the hashing power they introduce to the dash network would affect it's difficulty and profitability. Hell .. if I knew how many units they produce I could make the calculation. They new exactly what they were doing. They knew that MAYBE only the first batch would get some RIO eventually but they kept pushing the D3's anyway. Please don't be fooled by standard practice and don't talk about them like you would talk about some other company that sells their products. They make a ton of money from their farms. A ton! The profit from selling these units I guess is like less than launch money for them. So why would they care about you? Maybe all of this is just some personal vendetta against other ASIC developers. Whatever it is if I were you, I would think twice before buying from them again.. even with discount. You just got fxcked. Now you know why everyone in the ctypto world is trying to get rid of the monopoly from companies like them.
Soon the D3 would not even worth as a heather. Here is the profitability trend from Oct. 29 until Nov.3 https://ibb.co/btykVw That is before the first November batch.
That's from the 19.2GH batch. What about the 15GH? How long will it take until you have to pay for keeping it running?
The question is what are YOU going to do from now on with you worthless tin box...

Welcome to bitcoin talk. great first post. lol

they make really good door stops

yes, S9 or L3+, but D3 never more

One more thing - I hear people say that Bitmain even over delivered because they announced 15Gh and now you get 19. People from early batches report 900W from the wall. 19Gh batch is 1300W from the wall. Over delivered? Really? :))) They rely on you being stupid, to say and think things like this. Please! Get a calculator :)

My 19.3G D3 consumes 1200W from the wall (230V Platinum PSU)

The one I tested is 1300W. It depends on the efficiency of the power supply you use. My point is that there is difference between over delivery and simple factory overclocking ;)

1300WATT ??? This is horrible .

I have 4 D3's in hand that i'm ready to sell if anyone is interested!  ;D I'll have another 3 in a week or so. Lol

my post back in early September - people should just do BASIC research before throwing money:

"one month ago, on August 3rd, Dash Network Hashrate is around 13 TH/S to 14 TH/s,
and in just 30 days, today, Dash Network Hashrate is around 32 TH/s to 33 TH/s  Shocked Shocked

and what the monster miners are in market now? only the iBelink 10.8G, and first batch Antminer D3, right?

So in November, when there are 10.8G, 22G, 17G, 15G, 30G in the market... Tongue i guess Dash Network Hashrate  would be 100 TH/s at least Roll Eyes"

Sorry but which research? i have paid in  12th of august to BITMAIN for november so  this is not related with research this is directly related how many unit BITMAIN that sold , buy from previous reputation i did not think they will fool their clients.But these mthr fckrs did .

Tell my about this BASIC research. What can you research without knowing the most important part of the equation - the new hashing power introduced to the network? So far there are over 35 000 D3's running. The picture would be very different if there were 10 000. You could not known that in august!

"you shouldnt buy   :) Don't blame other for your mistakes. buy the 1st or 2nd bacth maximum, at REAL price or die

It was also impossible to predict how the market would react at the increased difficulty. Dash price could have followed the net hashrate how it was doing in August.

So people still buying s9 or l3+ and they are still profitable, your logic is wrong, people bought d3 because of bitmain's previous strategy.
But now BITMAIN = SCAMMER

Hashrate always follows price, not the other way around. Takes a bit to sink in, for me at first as well ;)

If I had a D3 and wasn't making any profit on Dash, I would start mining Altcoins with X11 algo.

Perfect time to start diversifying to other x11 coins.

I don't know why people are getting angry at Bitmain for delivering them bricks when they aren't realising that it's a risk in the first place and people say this all the time. Or I'm just dumb and mining is always 100% profitable 100% of the time. Nobody can predict the future, just because the L3 was successful doesn't mean the D3 would be as well. It's a good learning experience more than anything, too many people think mining is riskless nowadays.

Bitmain sells specialized mining hardware. They never made claims regarding the profitability of the hardware they sell. That's up to YOU to decide based on your OWN due diligence and circumstances before you choose to invest in a HIGHLY SPECULATIVE venture such as ASIC mining. Bitmain never twisted anybody's arm or told you you should buy it. You made that decision on your own, apparently based on just the foolish assumption that just because the other ASIC miners Bitamin sells are currently profitable, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the miner you ordered. Doing even some basic research regarding the coin you were  planning to mine, you would have realized you were taking a big risk and now you are paying the cost for YOUR poor decision. You have NOTHING to complain about.

Bullshit, because they wont sell any d3 units anymore ? 5 years old kids knows if there is no profit nobody will buy.
This is directly related  how many unith that bitmain sold , you you can not say your decision or blabla .

I'm waiting on 8... lol rip. I should of bought more S9's.  Oh well I guess.  Can buy D3's cheap on ebay now. S9's are now the new D3's on ebay. Flipped it.

Bitmain can choose to run their company as they see fit. The fact of the matter is, it is YOUR decision to determine if the unit fits your needs. By purchasing from Bitmain, you AGREED to those terms.


https://shop.bitmain.com/serviceRule.htm

You also don't want to accept that ASIC mining is a highly speculative venture and it's not at all uncommon for units to be completley unprofitable within months of their release as new and better models come out. By purchasing specialized mining hardawre that has a single purpose, that is a risk YOU take.

How much do you take from BITMAIN to produce these bullshits ? Miner needs to make profit to validate transactions? dont you know about this ? 5 years old kids know this . so stop scamming and if you and your scammers sell brandnew miner it should be profitable. This is why they dont sell s5,s7 anymore. This is why avalon or other lost the battle, otherwise they should still continue to sell their bricks. But your company BITMAIN fooled people by using their previous reputation.and they can do something about this issue other than creating such bullshit messages.

I suggest you take your own advice. That fact is the D3 is currently profitable even at 17 GH/s 0.20 cents/kW

https://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dash-mining-calculator/?h=17000&p=1200.00&pc=0.20&pf=3&d=27672778.88251280&r=1.80147602&er=0.04039762&btcer=7401.15170000&hc=0.00

It's not Bitmain's fault your lack of research and understanding led you to believe it would be more profitable, even though you were not ordering once of the first batches.

Hehe, new batch of L3+ opens today.
Profitability till Xmas - buck a day. :)

Kidding - it is still holding its ground much better than D3

It was more than obviously what will happen to x11 with all that new mining devices from bitmain, ibelink, innosilicon and the rest...it was 1+1 to know what will be the outcome of this...i sticked to the L3+ and now selling them...pure greed through all those calculators...ppl set off their brains...like u blame the seller of gold shuffels u find no gold....the shuffel sellers and the first on the train made the most profits...no its game over...i am not sry for the ppl who burned their money on these maschines...dont blame Bitmain blame yourself!!!

But if the price will go up, you will be so happy that you bought your D3 Antminer and you will be telling everybody that they should do the same.. ;)

What I see is a company who figured out a way around ico ban.  Create miner only accept coin in same currency as it can mine,  pump price with your profits from miner sales, flood market with useless heater. Mine with customers machines for the first three months getting all the profit that the customer should have gotten. Then ship machine and dump all your coins so that it’s not profitable to run said machine.  Seems bitmain has it pretty well figured out.  Yes this is bitmain fault.  They fucked us again and again


BR

It’s moreless a Ponzi.  Complicated but one nonetheless

How much do you want to sell me your D3s for? I am interested...I wonder how much they will go for. :-\

Profit in D3 will recover when Dash and other x11 coins.... goes price up!,  meantime gross of the market is over BTC.... once BTC become bearish market,  alts coins will goes bullish....... DASH  at 2000 $ per coin,  reward will recover 50$ / day.  The price must burst up like hell

Would you like to buy MY one of ANTDRIER D3 ? OF COURSE NO HA ? BECAUSE you have only trolling here , no body will invest 2000usd for any device brings 20usd per month.
BITMAIN gives 180days warranty so this unit can not make 2000usd in his lifetime. This is totally loss. Not related with lack of research.

Simple question do you have anyminer?

Why are you buying there machines then? If u want to take Bitmains power then dont buy there...but greedyness is everywhere...some folks will always support evil Bitmain! Its really time for some competitioners!

pure speculation...i will never see dash at 2000$ sry

Maybe i miss something, but when you ordered your D3, did they give you any guarantee how much money you would make? I don't think so. So while i agree with you, you should make profit, you can never predict the future. You gambled, and you lost. Bitman or any other company can produce whatever they want and also how many they want. And everbody can decide if they but i or not. Supply and demand will regulate the market, 5 year old kids know this. That's the reason i would never buy an asic (or go to a casino), you may get great results, but not worth the risk for me.

you should really hold since there are not other options (resale value would be kinda 400 dollars...).

Next time just stay away from well masked pre orders

Not staying away...simply better research is enough...like Obelisk offering siacoin and decred asics...first batch..i am in with both...i dont thing the blake algo will get floded like x11...so this looks much better! Anyway...if u are in first batch you should have no roi issues...

Out of my personal curiosity, may I ask if you have already in hand the miners and if not, if you have any delivery guarantee from the company?

Bitmain never said you would make your money back in 6 months. You simply foolishly ASSUMED that would be the case and it looks like you were wrong. That's the risk you take when buying a single purpose machine in a highly speculative market with ZERO resale value after it becomes obsolete. Do your research BEFORE you buy and if you can't afford the risk, DON"T BUY.

who says ? one of bitmain worker who is trying to improve his salary.. huh .

This is not a gamble nor game, if miner does not makes any profit so nobody will buy or operate the miner , this is crystal clear.
Which research did you do ? how do you know howmany units bitmain is going to sell ? so any oversold units can be obsolete after 3 months.So dont tell your sci-fi stories.
You did not do any research and you can not do unless you have information inside the company.

I preordered...like with any product in this sector its a gamble...but they keep the clients up to date and for me Nebolous seems to be a serious company...delivery date for the siacoin miner is 30. june 2018...we will see. but they seem much more communicative than bitmain...and i got a free first batch T-shirt ;D ;D ;D

well, at the very least it's free heat, or at least very cheap heat.

find the optimism in difficult situations. It's there, you just have to find it.

I have 5 coming late november, and i plan to run them until they burst into flames.

best option really

i dont see any logic at late november will be already not profit but loss ? So instead of loosing money day by day , we can buy dash directly so if miner doesn't make any profit i can not see any logic to run it.You can buy directly that coin.

Loss means if 1 dash is 1 usd and if we consume 2 usd electricity, to produce it . it means we have -1usd loss per dash. so instead of running such shit  , we can buy directly 2 dash with money without running any miner.

best regards.

The only thing that's crystal clear is you're an idiot that invests $2,000 in a highly speculative venture and expects the company that's selling the tool to do the research for him. At least you learned it's not as easy as you thought.

I am not idiot but you are a bastard.

That's quite an era in cryptoworld... wish you the best of luck with this kind of preorder

We'll in that case, I'm a bastard with $2,000 more than you have.  ;D

https://youtu.be/WqSTXuJeTks?t=154

yeah thats right...i hope that bitmain will stay away...one unit doesnt hurt that much so...i gave it a try..

I am ok  with you  ;D ,  but i have still problem with BITMAIN and its little bastards. And 2k not problem but their attitude is not normal. When you bought iphoneX lower than 2k, you have best service , but BITMAIN really not worth to trust. And need to give some information about this shitty company as much as i can.

how many units they sold ? 100k ?

Not enough. They sold out in seconds. So high of a demand. Bitmain can pump out more if they really wanted to but dash prices been lagging so they are holding back in the best interest of everyone.

Mcan we get it. Your a dash lagger and got screwed. Not everyone wins. Eat your losses and move on and diversify. Your foolish to think your entitled to profits.

If you took a step back and did your research, you would have realized your D3 is just food for the lucky few Masternode holders.

I knew this early on and got pivx instead.

Who bought S9 everyone,until now, won right ?
Who bought  L3+ everyone won right?

So D3 issue is totally different and 100% bitmain's fraud. They could not sell such number of units with out S9 L3+ references.

So this topic may help to new people who is going to buy any Bitmain's ,scammer company, products.
I think this will become their policy no need to trust anymore , no matter their batch logic .

Read the date of this post for future reference: 11/07/2017

I have access to 2 d3s. One on Nicehash and one on Prohash. They equal out to $16/mo. $0.25/day each. Pretty sad.

I have a Baikal a2000 on Nicehash that produces $12/day on x13 so far. Yep, you read that correctly.
I also have minergate contracts that produce $6.00/day.  Yep, you read that correctly.
I have an s9 that produces $20/day. Yep, you read that correctly.
I mine Verium on my laptop. $0.25 per day. Oh well. The laptop does other things too. No loss.

The ROI calculations start with just the daily dollars 6 + 12 + 20 = 38/day. Hello?
$38/day equals $1140.00. I ran the numbers of my returns and costs just on Minergate and found I get a 7.5% return per month or 86.5% / year. Hello?

Go tell your parents you are earning 7% a month and watch the look on their face till you prove it.
U.S. banks are only paying 0.25% / year on savings. Certificates of deposit are based on S)omething H)appens I)n T)ime.

And you wanna B)ark I)ntensely T)o C)reate H)avoc?

Quit running with a sharp pencil and put your head down, now before you hurt yourself or create collateral damage.

But if you only could afford a D3 and have that now, you're screwed.

No matter, D3 still worst product ever and this is the BITMAIN's new strategy . BITMAIN =SCAMMER

Dude, Stop spamming,  You said this 1000 times already.  Your just small fry food for the dash masternode holders.  Your the poor investor the keeps feeding them.

Everybody should see this , especially who does not know about Buttmain.

Naw man,  

Bitmain did Dash a favor by providing huge hash power to their network.  Unfortunetly Dash sucks at the moment and can't keep up with progress despite the hash power given to them.

 Don't blame bitmain blame Dash and your poor choice of investment.

Hash follows coin value,  Not the other way around

LTC has same but L3+ still profitable, we need to blame those greedy bastards they sold excessive amount of miners this is the real reason about failure.

So your suggesting bitmain should be centralized and control and limit the mining supply of hardware that gets released and only favor themselves and  a few? That's way worst.

It's a free market.  Let the market decide what's worth mining and what's not

So need to show people this company does not care about its customers , and it is not a real company.
Can not handle their faults. They may fool you any time.

Boy calm down...you saw the other x11 machines? like inno A5 with 38GH?? You have to blame yourself because you felt for greedyness...another ass got fucked by whattomine.com and that to good to be true...realize that...learn from it and move on! Welcome to crypto...newbie!

I already know that before i ordered my L3+ ;D ;D ;D
But i know it would be profitable anyways...

I have other miners so i know what it is . THIS IS DIRECTLY Bitmain's fault , greedy little gnomes.

once dash raises back in value, I think things will change a bit

-2usd to -1usd per day

Depends on how much more it goes up, keep in mind its down quite a bit

even it rises 4 times it will be 1usd per day, and roi will be 2000days, and warrant is 180 days :))
New era for BITMAIN.
Company of scammers. World the best Scammer asic miners ever.

sensing a tad bit of Anger at Bitmain eh?

If you order their 1st batch you can have roi in 2-3 months .. not that bad
Stay tuned ... D3+ X11, x13, X14, X15, Skein

Mcan is  Asic fudding so hard and posting all over the different thread about his hatred towards bitmain trying to get others to rally up with him.

I bet he's doing this on purpose so he can buy more asic miners for bitmain next product.

Why else would he be wasting his time?

He has a motive

This

Yep,  There's a new D3+ comming soon and the specs look great. Just found out now

Now we all know why Mcan acting abnormal and fudding hard.  He got D3 poop and we getting D3+ gold    :)  hahahah

release date?

Do you really think your shitty company increase your salary ?
Your shitty company just releases antminer d3, do not forget

First i did not received D3 poop yet, and you already confessed that BITMAIN SOLD D3 POOP ha ?
Say your boss he can not find a better idiot than you.

Ambient temp is 10°C and Chip temperature is 72°C at november w/o overclock so Shitmain will burn all miners at begining of april.

Don,t buy this shitty company's any product or any coin like bitcoin crash.

well, this is what going to happened
first of all, you will try to sell your D3, most likely without luck, because many con-artist selling 1450 USD (+delivery) device for 800 on eBay and many morons believe it, but that affects real owners and to sell D3 right now almost impossible without huge lost
next, you will start looking for better pool, better firmware, some tweeks and continue mining no matter what
later, DASH prices will go up and eventually you will get your money back and your miner will be still working and making some cash
everybody wants to have 3 months ROI, everybody understand now it will be 6-9 months at least
you can get f...d completely if iBeLink released 100 GH/s version for low price or you can won if DASH prices will go up

trying to return money from Chinese company is very bad idea 

Hi guys!
I like many sdes on the forum happy owners of antminer d3 bought from resellers for 2-3x prices in September-October Grin

I honestly put up with them for almost 2 months, even tried to remake them to another algorithm (the topic is on the forum). As a result, I stayed with 2 of 5 asik and those 2 normally never worked and there is no desire to try to squeeze them out anyway

Communication with Bitmain's refusal to take back my shit, I want to bring them to China my shit Grin Grin  ;D

The plan of my actions, a trip to China to the main office of Bitmain, the return of asik stuffed with shit, to make a pile under the door, to hand all the wishes of good and health to the entire Bitmain team

I'm waiting for your wish from Bitmain, write everything that you think about them I will definitely pass on


I promise before the trip to eat a lot of beans and beans and do not go to the toilet 2 days  ;D ;D ;D


Photo and video actions will be published on the forum, if there are willing to go on a joint train, or there are thoughts about how to crap (in the literal sense of the word) Bitmain, then I wait for your comments


for those who wish to help with the trip
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3HkkYjfWdpogqGWVNzYrjm9u6qj912pBvu bitcoin cash
3AdbdjqFTSqijnqQDFhV3oDUcRiHPvUAak bitcoin

P.S.
All good and do not mess with the collars anymore  ;D

For folks in the USA, if you don't like your D3, I'm interested in buying at $300. Not trying to lowball anyone, that's just what I'm willing to pay. PM if you're interested.

sure there are many idiots blaming d3 owners instead of bitmain.

Why they dont want to agree I cant know but , the difficulty is not a mystery, if you have the approximate unit quantity and hashrate , you can calculate difficiulty  for near future . So it means that bitmain very vell know the difficulty will jump and profit will be nothing.

I believe that bitmain willingly done that to fuck the competitors

they dont hesitate to do same thing to d3 owners

I dont agree  that all of us fools , we just be cheated by shitmain

They don't. They are too noisy when turned on and they scratch timber floors in high winds.

Bitmain sells crap stick with gpu mining always a safer bet and resellable

Well, I'll butt into this conversation as friendly as I can. I have a single D3 19.3GH/s and it's doing much more than just heating... https://i.imgur.com/SqR8A1v.png

Here's proof of my monthly income in NiceHash, with expected income fluctuating from $470 to $600 A MONTH, so ROI is achievable by all means...

If you think just because your ASIC miner was ordered from Bitmain website and it comes in a box, and that it is brand new then your stupid as shit. Bitmain is a mining company and suddenly it decides to be a manufacturing company as well. Why would a mining company sell you it's mining device and not mine it themselves ? Selling a few 100 units of their ASIC is peanut change for them unless of course those are refurbished ASIC mining machine which they themselves no longer have confidence on.

Bitmain Owner 1: Let's make 10000 antminer s9, a3, d3, l3+ and whatever we can, to exploit the network and mine ourselves.

Bitmain Owner 2: Yea let's do just that. And for some stupid shit reason let's sell 100 units out of the 10000 for some peanut change.

Bitmain Owner 1: That sounds really stupid, but I like the idea.

Bitmain Owner 2: I know its stupid, but I can make our stupidity less stupid by making them look stupider.

Bitmain Owner 1: And how do you plan to do that? I thought our stupidity was already infinite cause it was my idea and you agreed to it.

Bitmain Owner 2: Well we will ask them idiots who want our antminers so badly to pre order in advance so we can actually have enough time to refurbish our old or spoilt antminers batch by batch and sell it to them.

Bitmain Owner 1: Yeah we will do just that and we will throw in a 3 month warranty upon shipment, just for fucks, cause by the time it reaches them it would probably 2 months. And we already got back our ROI anyways.

Bitmain Owner 2: We will be so screwed when everyone complaints. I mean we will be covered in shitload of complaints from every corner of the world.

Bitmain Owner 1: We are in China dude, they can't do shit to us. Besides our government supports the idea. Look they shut down the exchanges but they didn't shut us down yet, cause we are bringing $$ into the country.

Bitmain Owner 2: Yea your right. I was wondering why they didn't touch us yet. I mean if they really wanted to stop bitcoin and cryptocurrency they should hit right at the source which is us right ?

Bitmain Owner 1: Yea right but we are too stupid to know that export taxes in China is low and import taxes in China is high. So basically our government doesn't give a shit about what we sell to the rest of the world.

Greed and numbers has caused most people to lose their common sense or rather most people though they might be educated they have almost no common sense at all. If you own a antminer any variant, its working fine and you are making profits good for you. But if your making loses stop crying like a bitch and man up. You got stupid and no one forced you to buy the antminer. You have no one to blame for yourself. Is Bitmain a fraud ? YES and NO. Just one thing to keep in mind, no one will sell away their golden goose which lays them a golden egg unless they know there is something wrong with it. Common sense people!

You could say that about any company.  Why do companies manufacture mining equipment when they can mine the gold, silver, diamonds, etc themselves?  Its called diversifying.  Your comments are easy to make when crypto is at an all time high.  If bitcoin, dash, litecoin, or Sia dropped to pennies tomorrow, I can assure you that Bitmain would be happy that they were selling miners and not just using them to mine.  Their hardware business has also obviously allowed them to get into deep learning also.  And while mining is indeed lucrative, data centers aren't free, support staff isn't free, electricity isn't free.  There is a lot of money and effort that goes into maintaining a giant computing operation.  If I had to venture a guess, I would say that selling the equipment probably yields more money than mining.

This - please quit whinging about the D3 - on my best days I am making 15 revenue - 5 or 6 for power. Thats not bad at all.
Plus, its nice to have it heating my home since its cold as balls this time of year. Find a coin to mine. Don't mine Dash - its not that complicated.

First you ask why do companies manufacture mining equipment when they can mine gold,silver,diamonds themselves, then you call it diversifying ? What are you trying to say ? And really which mining company does that ? (referring to real mining here and not crypto do not lose track) Diversifying a business into a same sector lol. Do you even know what you are talking about ? If Bitcoin,dash,litecoin or sia dropped to pennies tomorrow (btw SIA has already dropped to pennies,time to wake up buddy) ::) Really at $190 billion market cap for bitcoin alone it would drop to pennies ? ::). Anyone can get into the hardware business if they had the dough to manufacture and the brains to dissect other company hardware and reverse engineer their technology. No shit Sherlock nothing is free, even a 7 year old knows electricity isn't free, tell us something we don't already know. Selling equipment yields more money then mining, :D at this point your stupidity amaze me.  ::)

hi there, sorry for bothering you. i bought 50 over amtminer d3 with 3x the cost from the dealer and there are lack of profit nowadays, what kind of coins do pay $15 a day and its much appreciated if you can lead me, thank you

15 a day per machine is nonsense

not a chance...no way will you get $12-15/day on D3