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Title: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 10, 2017, 03:32:40 PM
Roger Ver is using his bitcoin.com website to pass Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin. My theory is that after the 2x cancellation he has ragequitted hard and is dumping all of his BTC (or a big amount, enough to manipulate the market) to stop the rise we were saying yesterday while pumping BCH. Some traders with big followings called a top for 2017 that was broken with the $7888 pump yesterday and are FUDding to save face and try to make a self fulling prophecy of their top, trying to pass 2x cancellation news as bad news which is dumb (example, Tone Vays), this would feedback loop Roger's big fat dump by making others dump too. So either Roger Ver is trying to exit scam BCH, or he is going to be supporting BCH from now on while actually dumping his BTC (thus far he didn't dump his BTC for BCH in other words he wasn't putting his money where his mouth is). I didn't dump all of my BCH so im still winning, but I don't expect this to last. At the end of the day, the big whales are on BTC except Roger. Also notice Roger didn't sign the 2x cancellation while Jihan Wu did. Jihan Wu has started being critical of BCash in the past few hours while supporting segwit:

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/928831035441274880

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Jihan Wu‏ @JihanWu
17h17 hours ago

No, please stop this. Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin Cash. We should not confuse it with Bitcoin.
43 replies 125 retweets 383 likes


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Jihan Wu‏ @JihanWu
Replying to @alejoGaviria @Egon_01

Stick to reality, my dear brother. Bitcoin has upgraded with SegWit. Bitcoin is supported by Bitcoin fans, and Bitcoin Cash is supported by Bitcoin Cash fans. They are different.
7:45 PM - 9 Nov 2017

Split between Roger and Jihan's camp? We'll see.

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.



Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on November 10, 2017, 04:03:55 PM
It might be the case. Today all the main cryptos are red or with no significant gains apart from bitcoin cash. Bitcoin is also losing dominance but just vs. bitcoin cash, unlike what happened between February and July.

Is he is really selling bitcoin cash as bitcoins, as it seems on his web (because "bitcoin cash" doesn't appear anywhere), he is actually deceiving people and should be punished for that. He is based in Japan and I suppose, as Bitcoin has been legalized there, there should be some regulations to punish that.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Hydrogen on November 10, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0)  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: RenegadeMind on November 11, 2017, 02:17:39 AM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: squatz1 on November 11, 2017, 02:55:34 AM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?



Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: jseverson on November 11, 2017, 03:35:36 AM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?



I don't know for certain, but there are a lot of Bitcoin-hate propaganda out right now. These have mostly died down as Bitcoin Cash remained dormant for the most part, but people are saying that Segwit2x backers are rallying to support BCH. It seems to me like they have convinced Segwit2x supporters to dump Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. This really couldn't have gone unplanned though, as it seems like nothing short of market manipulation.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Kemarit on November 11, 2017, 04:17:47 AM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?



I don't know for certain, but there are a lot of Bitcoin-hate propaganda out right now. These have mostly died down as Bitcoin Cash remained dormant for the most part, but people are saying that Segwit2x backers are rallying to support BCH. It seems to me like they have convinced Segwit2x supporters to dump Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. This really couldn't have gone unplanned though, as it seems like nothing short of market manipulation.

For me it looks like a coordinated attack indeed. The timing is perfect. Suddenly BCH is being pumped and there is only few individual who we can really name as the one manipulating the price right now. I saw post all over as well, so I conclude that its a well planned attack. Even here in the forum you will see a lot shills propagating the BCH is the real bitcoin. We may see these attacks coming in as days passes. I still remember when ETH already rose to a new ATH and almost touches bitcoin marketcap. A lot of paid shills coming to the forum and preaching that the so called "flippening" is going to happened. But it didn't. So same thing will happen here. They will try to attack, but they won't succeed.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: HabBear on November 11, 2017, 04:56:24 AM
You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 11, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!

How new can you be? Bitcoin.com is propaganda central for BCash, same as the /r/btc subreddit. Also notice how this is all coming from that Korean exchange, it is obviously Roger Ver dicking around.

Also someone found this pastebin from months ago dated  Jul 30th, 2017:

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Traders, certain information has come to my attention that is causing me grave concerns and i feel it is my duty to warn each and every one of you.    
  
We all know the scaling drama has caused a huge rift, resulting in bitcoin forking into the soon to be "Bitcoin Cash".    
  
I know many have large holdings and savings in bitcoin, and are 'hodlers' and will never sell, so when the selling starts, you may lose everything if you don't also sell.  
 
Gentlemen, this is certaintly not going to be gentlemen.      
  
Certain information has come to light from back room channels, sources i cannot disclose ~ even writing this post will probably reveal my source - but i feel by gods will, I must warn you all.  
 
Selling is coming. Selling the likes of which hasn't been seen since MtGox era.  
Already as i type this, battleships of bitcoin are being shorted on all major exchanges.  
 
Gentlemen, The enemy, the big blockers, have colluded and joined forces. The chinese, Jihan & co have put together a plan to replace bitcoin with bitcoin cash.  
  
The plan goes like this:  
Chinese miners (f2pool, antpool etc etc) have organised with major exchanges (via/huobi/okcoin etc) to support and launch bitcoin cash.  
Initially they will let everyone who wants to sell, sell.    
Once the coin has bottomed out, and everyone who wanted to sell has sold, they [chinese miners/jihad/chinese exchanges] will begin accumulating lots and lots of bitcoin cash.  
They will then begin to pump the price  to around 0.1 BCC/BTC - 10%  
The big pools won't mine it ~ they will let the smaller pools see the returns from mining this expensive, but low difficulty coin and start mining it.  
Later, the larger pools will join, and as we know, jihad has ALOT of hashing power, their plan is for bitcoin cash to have more hashing power than bitcoin ~ and lets be honest, once t he chinese move over, that is pretty much it.  
Around this time, the 'hard fork' section of segwit 2x is not going to happen ~ it never was - Bitcoin cash will then be seen as the original NYA coin..  
At that point in time, Bitcoin cash will be on all major chinese exchanges, possibly some western exchanges aswell, and have majority hashing power. Western companies & other merchant providers (BitPay - @Spair) etc - paid off by bitmain etc will go along with the new bitcoin cash narrative and will push for the 'bitcoin cash' to be called 'bitcoin' on all their platforms, leaving only coinbase et all which will then be the odd ones out..  
  
Now comes the scary part, The old bitcoin, the bitcoin we know and love, is going to get DESTROYED.  
What determines a coins success ? It's market cap.  
Big old school blockers and miners are going to dump bitcoin back to the bottom, they will take literally billions and billions of dollars out of bitcoin. They will use the money to fund the marketing, and development, or 'bitcoin cash' - Think, Bitcoin core - FIRED.  Think - forbes article, "why bitcoin miners and companies are moving to bitcoin cash" - think - "Why the market is chosing bitcoin cash as bitcoin not bitcoin core"  - They wil lsay the market has spoken, that people have voted with their money.  
  
Right now, massive huge shorts are being built, already on finex, shorts are at 32k - not seen since $200 these kinds of numbers of shorts, and its climbing, all the t ime, consistently, they have ALOT of coins to short.  
    
The most painful kind of selling, is where it never bounces and if you remember MtGox from $1000 to $70, you'll remember what no bounces feels like ~ and I can tell you. This won't be any better.  
  
Good luck all, remember - fair warning.
  
Below is I grabbed, i also have some slack and telegram logs, I will sort them out later when i get back, i just want to confirm what I can safely disclose first for my own protection.
    
Email from [alice] to [bob] - http://imgur.com/a/FcZIp

https://pastebin.com/n0aGBMQr

Not sure how legit this is, but at least it predicted 2x being cancelled, but then again i also considered that possibility.

And I don't see big whales supporting BCash besides Roger Ver, everyone else thinks it's a joke. Therefore, I don't see how this isn't a pump to exit at higher prices before Coinbase allows people to dump their coins come January 2018.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: NavySeals on November 11, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0)  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.

This is a planned action. They cancelled bitcoin segwith2x upgrade and BCC started to go to the moon. It's not a coinsidence very obviously.

Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are the wolfies trying to make themselves more rich. People are aware of this.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: FrueGreads on November 11, 2017, 04:04:17 PM
Yes I completely agree with you. Rover Ver is now showing his full commencement for bcash. The segwit2x cancellation was of course a win for the bitcoin community, that showed they can be reasonable, and even with different ideas, they will do the right thing for the bitcoin network.

Of course that the "big blocks lovers", now only have bcash as an option, so some will probably move there. I don't see any problem with that. I think this another good thing for bitcoin. Better to see this happening now, and to only have true supporters of BTC in the community. Since Roger Ver supports bcash, he would have to dump BTC for BCH eventually.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 11, 2017, 04:10:52 PM
Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0)  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.

This is a planned action. They cancelled bitcoin segwith2x upgrade and BCC started to go to the moon. It's not a coinsidence very obviously.

Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are the wolfies trying to make themselves more rich. People are aware of this.

And don't forget the ongoin attack on the mempool with a massive amount of transactions out of nowhere coupled with spam all over internet forums about how "the flippening" is here. Reminds me of when the Ethereum "flippening" was about to happen. Let's see how high can they pump it before the big dump. They have until January 2018 to keep pumping because when Coinbase allows withdraws shit might get ugly if you didn't dump yet.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: jekjekman on November 11, 2017, 04:31:28 PM
For me it is all about strategy though, Roger Ver knows when to enter his ideas and FUDs and with that we can't do anything, its just that many people do really believes in him or starting to believe because of the SegWit2x cancellation but I don't think that this Bitcoin Cash will be the one that will replace the original Bitcoin because the price of it is only increasing doesn't mean it will last.

I feel sorry to those that will fall to this trap of Roger Ver, he thinks that he is Satoshi Nakamato but he is more of a business man more than a innovative developer that will help people's lives.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: HasHe on November 11, 2017, 05:01:28 PM
If there is such a split between Roger ver and Jihan wu,then its really good for the bitcoin community.Roger ver is trying his best to pump fully BCH and at the same time,his supporters just try to create an image of segwit2x cancellation as a sad incident and due to it,most of investors are turning towards BCH.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: royalfestus on November 11, 2017, 05:10:56 PM
If there is such a split between Roger ver and Jihan wu,then its really good for the bitcoin community.Roger ver is trying his best to pump fully BCH and at the same time,his supporters just try to create an image of segwit2x cancellation as a sad incident and due to it,most of investors are turning towards BCH.
to me it doesn't look like business, it is all conspiracy. We all know who profit from it.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 12, 2017, 05:00:16 PM
Wow, i've counted the following people pumping BCash:

-Gavin Andresen:

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@gavinandresen

Bitcoin Cash is what I started working on in 2010: a store of value AND means of exchange.
7:57 AM - 11 Nov 2017


-Jeff Garzik:

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Jeff Garzik‏Verified account @jgarzik

Jeff Garzik Retweeted David Jerry

Messy divorce continues.  Some of this is short term pump & profit switching.  Some hash rate is permanently gone from BTC.

-Craig Wright:

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Dr Craig S Wright‏Verified account @ProfFaustus
Nov 11

1 billion people live in slums today.

These people cannot hope to escape without trade. This can be achieved with access to secure and low cost money.

This is what bitcoin cash delivers.

In the next decade, BCH will start to give these people hope and a way out of poverty.

-Rick Falkvigne

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Rick Falkvinge‏Verified account @Falkvinge
Nov 10
Replying to @Falkvinge

I am cautiously predicting that there's a tipping point somewhere around $2,000-$2,500 for #Bitcoin Cash, when Bitcoin Legacy will just be dropped like a bad habit and the exits will be crowded, except for by a few who still refuse to read the writing on the wall.




Bobby Lee (subtle BCash pumping..):

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@bobbyclee

If the economic majority truly prefers #Bitcoin to remain at #1MB base blocksize, then $BTC prices should go UP now that #SegWit2x is cancelled and the #No2X folks have won?

Letís see in 3 months; I hope Iím wrong and see #Bitcoin at $10,000 soon.
#CautiouslyOptimistic

- Ryan X. Charles

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Ryan X. Charles‏Verified account @ryanxcharles

Bought my first bitcoin for $6 in 2011. Sold my last bitcoin for $6227 in 2017.

Bitcoin has been taken over by people who do not share my values.

Bitcoin Cash is the vision I signed up for in 2011. The possibility of financial freedom for everyone.
11:27 AM - 11 Nov 2017


The list goes on. Just check these guys twitters, everyone is pumping this to the moon and back. So many billions being pumped in what seems the biggest altcoin pump ever. I hate that they are spamming BTC's mempool because I can't access to my BCash fast enough, by the time I get them the dump begins. Fuck, and I thought I would have a relaxing holidays.. there's no rest day in crypto.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: walou on November 12, 2017, 05:01:38 PM
The rich guys can do whatever they want


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: merchantofzeny on November 12, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
Sigh. I'm losing confidence a bit now. It seems bitcoin is devolving into forks every few months or so. So much drama. This is not what I was hoping. I still find these all confusing.

The rich guys can do whatever they want

That goes for everything, not just bitcoins.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Harlot on November 12, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
Maybe Roger Ver expected that Bitcoin will rise in value when Segwit2X happen that after finding out that it was cancelled he dumped his Bitcoins early on and is making a buying pressure in Bitcoin Cash to take another profit taking. But I don't agree with you that only Roger Ver has influenced the market and that he is the only one who dumped early on, there are many people just like Roger who would done the same after knowing the Segwit2X is cancelled.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: bitjoin on November 12, 2017, 07:04:12 PM
The rich guys can do whatever they want

Yeah pretty much, the guy just moved 25k bitcoin to finex which could pump any coin to the sky. But hey thanks for the free money.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: NavySeals on November 12, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
The rich guys can do whatever they want

Yeah pretty much, the guy just moved 25k bitcoin to finex which could pump any coin to the sky. But hey thanks for the free money.

Wher is the evidence? Any screeenshot or tx for this? Because I don't believe this.

Will I believe Jihan Wu liar and his tweets? No, I won't. They purely lying to the cryptocurrency community. He thinks he's a smart guy, but there are always smarter people than him.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: radeone on November 12, 2017, 07:30:04 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7cefom/roger_ver_just_sent_25k_btc_to_bitfinex/

here you go good sir.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: miyaka26 on November 13, 2017, 06:08:50 AM
Jihan and Roger have different perspective to btc and bch Jihan wants that bch improves and make it own stuff the same with btc he is implying that they are different and make their own business while Roger consider that bch will replace btc and the worst part is he is calling it the real bitcoin, they are a bit contradicting to each other the only thing that is quite common is their support to bch, we will see what's gonna happen as the current price of bch is dropping and btc is fluctuating from $6000 to $6500.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Golftech on November 13, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
Jihan and Roger have different perspective to btc and bch Jihan wants that bch improves and make it own stuff the same with btc he is implying that they are different and make their own business while Roger consider that bch will replace btc and the worst part is he is calling it the real bitcoin, they are a bit contradicting to each other the only thing that is quite common is their support to bch, we will see what's gonna happen as the current price of bch is dropping and btc is fluctuating from $6000 to $6500.
if support coming from other btc believers showed up for sure pressure will dictate to those miners and traders who's supporting bitcoin cash as of now,
we all knew that this is just another test with bitcoin original if this survive easily then mooning will followed again, 10K $ would be there to wait for such another ath to achieved.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: fanbeila on November 13, 2017, 08:43:00 AM
BCH has fallen now to $1,215.I think that roger ver has got himself tired of pumping continuously and that's why,BCH price is facing a decline.In the mean time,bitcoin price has recovered from $6,056 to $6,242 now.Roger ver and jihan wu were responsible for BCH creation.Now,Jihan wu has started to speak in a different tone.
Once again,its going to be proved that bitcoin could not be replaced.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: cydrix on November 13, 2017, 08:57:55 AM
Cant help it if he does that at least he do the effort to make that real or a reality from a plan . Bitcoin is atleast recovering from the lost $1000 from last days  it is a shocking value up until now so all the bitcoiners are suffering from this.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Opquar on November 13, 2017, 09:08:22 AM
He has not dumped his bitcoins yet. He has only moved them to an exchange thus far. BCH dipped again, so if he truly wants to go all-in, now would be the time.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: BillCoin on November 13, 2017, 09:15:57 AM
Very nice call.

Also your statement is being confirmed by the fact that Roger Ver has transferred his whole bitcoin stash, 25K from them has been confirmed that were transferred to bitfinex cold wallet, which means that he planned to sell atleast 25K bitcoins.

After his transfer we could see that there are huge purchases of bitcoin cash from bitfinex exchange, probably Roger Ver dumping his bitcoins so he can purchase bitcoin cash tokens.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Drixy on November 13, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Almost a second i thought it was hopeless to recover the emergency money on the other day on the low value my rates was wiped out thats costly about a $100 yesterday but the normal when it is not that low it was $115 lol the value was not that high up until now my bitcoin didnt get to its full potential to me lol.the timing was awfuly bad dammit.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 13, 2017, 04:14:27 PM
Well it looks like they ran out of money for the time being. BCash crashed hard from that ridiculous $2700 peak. I can't believe someone bought at that price. Props to whoever dumped there, big bucks to be made with this. I will keep the rest of my BCash because I know this will happen again eventually. BCash depends on flippening dramas happening and every time there is one on the horizon they will pump this. Of course no flippening will actually happen, the key is to know when to dump.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: beerlover on November 13, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!

How new can you be? Bitcoin.com is propaganda central for BCash, same as the /r/btc subreddit. Also notice how this is all coming from that Korean exchange, it is obviously Roger Ver dicking around.

Also someone found this pastebin from months ago dated  Jul 30th, 2017:
That sounds worrisome though but I do not see how that would really happen. You are right by saying it is a joke and nothing more than a joke which would get so interesting even very soon when a huge dump starts. It is obvious this has been just a one way manipulation and I am not sure who he is really trying to deceive here. Users, traders ?

It is a huge pump that is just being used to manipulate the market, and this would really show how much of a shit BCH is at the long run.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: wxa7115 on November 13, 2017, 07:14:31 PM
You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!

How new can you be? Bitcoin.com is propaganda central for BCash, same as the /r/btc subreddit. Also notice how this is all coming from that Korean exchange, it is obviously Roger Ver dicking around.

Also someone found this pastebin from months ago dated  Jul 30th, 2017:

Quote
Traders, certain information has come to my attention that is causing me grave concerns and i feel it is my duty to warn each and every one of you.    
  
We all know the scaling drama has caused a huge rift, resulting in bitcoin forking into the soon to be "Bitcoin Cash".    
  
I know many have large holdings and savings in bitcoin, and are 'hodlers' and will never sell, so when the selling starts, you may lose everything if you don't also sell.  
 
Gentlemen, this is certaintly not going to be gentlemen.      
  
Certain information has come to light from back room channels, sources i cannot disclose ~ even writing this post will probably reveal my source - but i feel by gods will, I must warn you all.  
 
Selling is coming. Selling the likes of which hasn't been seen since MtGox era.  
Already as i type this, battleships of bitcoin are being shorted on all major exchanges.  
 
Gentlemen, The enemy, the big blockers, have colluded and joined forces. The chinese, Jihan & co have put together a plan to replace bitcoin with bitcoin cash.  
  
The plan goes like this:  
Chinese miners (f2pool, antpool etc etc) have organised with major exchanges (via/huobi/okcoin etc) to support and launch bitcoin cash.  
Initially they will let everyone who wants to sell, sell.    
Once the coin has bottomed out, and everyone who wanted to sell has sold, they [chinese miners/jihad/chinese exchanges] will begin accumulating lots and lots of bitcoin cash.  
They will then begin to pump the price  to around 0.1 BCC/BTC - 10%  
The big pools won't mine it ~ they will let the smaller pools see the returns from mining this expensive, but low difficulty coin and start mining it.  
Later, the larger pools will join, and as we know, jihad has ALOT of hashing power, their plan is for bitcoin cash to have more hashing power than bitcoin ~ and lets be honest, once t he chinese move over, that is pretty much it.  
Around this time, the 'hard fork' section of segwit 2x is not going to happen ~ it never was - Bitcoin cash will then be seen as the original NYA coin..  
At that point in time, Bitcoin cash will be on all major chinese exchanges, possibly some western exchanges aswell, and have majority hashing power. Western companies & other merchant providers (BitPay - @Spair) etc - paid off by bitmain etc will go along with the new bitcoin cash narrative and will push for the 'bitcoin cash' to be called 'bitcoin' on all their platforms, leaving only coinbase et all which will then be the odd ones out..  
  
Now comes the scary part, The old bitcoin, the bitcoin we know and love, is going to get DESTROYED.  
What determines a coins success ? It's market cap.  
Big old school blockers and miners are going to dump bitcoin back to the bottom, they will take literally billions and billions of dollars out of bitcoin. They will use the money to fund the marketing, and development, or 'bitcoin cash' - Think, Bitcoin core - FIRED.  Think - forbes article, "why bitcoin miners and companies are moving to bitcoin cash" - think - "Why the market is chosing bitcoin cash as bitcoin not bitcoin core"  - They wil lsay the market has spoken, that people have voted with their money.  
  
Right now, massive huge shorts are being built, already on finex, shorts are at 32k - not seen since $200 these kinds of numbers of shorts, and its climbing, all the t ime, consistently, they have ALOT of coins to short.  
    
The most painful kind of selling, is where it never bounces and if you remember MtGox from $1000 to $70, you'll remember what no bounces feels like ~ and I can tell you. This won't be any better.  
  
Good luck all, remember - fair warning.
  
Below is I grabbed, i also have some slack and telegram logs, I will sort them out later when i get back, i just want to confirm what I can safely disclose first for my own protection.
    
Email from [alice] to [bob] - http://imgur.com/a/FcZIp

https://pastebin.com/n0aGBMQr

Not sure how legit this is, but at least it predicted 2x being cancelled, but then again i also considered that possibility.

And I don't see big whales supporting BCash besides Roger Ver, everyone else thinks it's a joke. Therefore, I don't see how this isn't a pump to exit at higher prices before Coinbase allows people to dump their coins come January 2018.
Good find, I always wondered why they were creating segwit2x when they did not wanted to adopt segwit on the first place, it seems this has been a concerted effort to make bitcoin cash stronger and to weaken bitcoin, and to make a lot of money at the same time but like always all this maneuvers are bound to fail, the support of most people is still on bitcoin and not in a coin we know it is going to crash, the current price of bitcoin cash cannot be maintained and will eventually dump.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Reid on November 13, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
Damn whales.
Look at where we are now.
This big amount holders can really make some.money just like that.
Sell their bitcoins make the value fall and then buy back.
Of course they will need some reason and BCH was the means to be the scapegoat.
Just telling stories like this makes others follow them.
This should be stopped. It is just them who are getting richer.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: loragean03 on November 13, 2017, 09:27:16 PM
whales can do what ever they want, fake news, propaganda, social posts, just to make us to follow on what they want to do, other people are getting panic after they read that article and rush following that man just to make over on what they can see, so the main stream is, even Roger Ver goes full blown Bcash to make him self more richer, there would be a reason why he do that, of course that decision has a big effect in bitcoin world. but after that pump and dump on that bch im sure they will come back to btc.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Kevin77 on November 14, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
It might be the case. Today all the main cryptos are red or with no significant gains apart from bitcoin cash. Bitcoin is also losing dominance but just vs. bitcoin cash, unlike what happened between February and July.

Is he is really selling bitcoin cash as bitcoins, as it seems on his web (because "bitcoin cash" doesn't appear anywhere), he is actually deceiving people and should be punished for that. He is based in Japan and I suppose, as Bitcoin has been legalized there, there should be some regulations to punish that.
It is very much obvious and every trader knows that bitcoin cash is just being pumped presently and how long that is going to be sustained is what is not known yet.

If Roger Ver has decided to go all in on bitcoin cash to support what he believes in, then good for him, but I would really be on the watch out to take very close look at the market for strange movements cause it would be bad if he dumps it back hard which is what I expect to happen anyway. Deceivers!


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Quietman on November 14, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
So many propagandas to abolish bitcoin and kill its reputation. If you are weak enough, you'll be with those who got fooled and hooked to sell their bitcoin. The whales might also have something to do with the dump of bitcoin. It is being manipulated to profit and earn more money. It was done before and it is being done until now. The cancellation of segwit2x to the pump of BCH. This really caused a panic to many and shifted from BTC to BCH.
Roger Ver might want to go all in with bitcoin cash. No one stopping him. It is his choice either way.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: gabmen on November 14, 2017, 02:18:54 PM
So many propagandas to abolish bitcoin and kill its reputation. If you are weak enough, you'll be with those who got fooled and hooked to sell their bitcoin. The whales might also have something to do with the dump of bitcoin. It is being manipulated to profit and earn more money. It was done before and it is being done until now. The cancellation of segwit2x to the pump of BCH. This really caused a panic to many and shifted from BTC to BCH.
Roger Ver might want to go all in with bitcoin cash. No one stopping him. It is his choice either way.

I agree. These people trying to bring btc down don't run out of things to try. It could even be possible that ver is doing this just to get the price of btc really low so he can buy more. Bch will never be bitcoin.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: ss890 on November 14, 2017, 02:45:25 PM

Im pretty sure this wonít last for much loner and BCH can never sustain this melody for long time as bitcoin would do. There are many reasons, for example if there is even little downward movement which makes everyone suspicious that bitcoin cash will go down then everyone on that blockchain will start selling off everything they have and this will pump the bitcoin a lot. Only panic people are not BCH and the real dealers all into the bitcoin itself. So we donít have to worry about Roger or Jihanís they can do whatever they want but with complete unsuccessful attempt. :-)


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 14, 2017, 03:10:47 PM
Looks like something is going on with the miners in China. The government is back at it with some sort of "crackdown on miners". Jihan Wu was supposed to be at a conferecne today and he wasn't present probably related to that.

And on other news.. Bithumb, the Korean exchange responsible for the mega BCash pump, visited by the police:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiH-SGW4AEXGBF.jpg

Get some popcorns because the drama never ends in bitcoinland.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: jseverson on November 14, 2017, 03:25:46 PM
Roger Ver might want to go all in with bitcoin cash. No one stopping him. It is his choice either way.

He won't. He's testing how the market will react first. Bitcoin Cash's climb to $2700 was probably a good sign, but then it crashed to half of its value. Things are not looking up for them, and there's no way Roger Ver will dump his Bitcoins now.

To the people who dumped BTC and bought BCH when they saw Roger Ver move his Bitcoins, I'm sorry for your loss. You've been duped.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Warren Buffert on November 14, 2017, 03:29:43 PM
He has so much money, why isn't he quitting all this bullshit.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: buwaytress on November 14, 2017, 03:33:47 PM
Looks like something is going on with the miners in China. The government is back at it with some sort of "crackdown on miners". Jihan Wu was supposed to be at a conferecne today and he wasn't present probably related to that.
And on other news.. Bithumb, the Korean exchange responsible for the mega BCash pump, visited by the police:
Get some popcorns because the drama never ends in bitcoinland.

You're up to date, jay, haha. But actually, this move should have come earlier. A lot of hydropower that is meant for industrial purposes (domestic) siphoned off for cheap Bitcoin mining. In fact, most of these "hidden" miners, and not just in China, are using electricity at domestic/household rates, which are of course cheaper than industrial rates. That has to change naturally.

And the cops at BitHumb? That can't have anything to do with Bcash... the police have been expected at BitHumb since the class action lawsuit taken by a lot of angry people who lost money during their server outage at the Bcash frenzy. They're actually there to protect BitHumb in case the angry traders get violent. You've seen those videos where South Koreans politicians brawl with each other right? Haha Oh... okay I guess it has something to do with Bcash after all ;)



Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 14, 2017, 05:19:50 PM
Looks like something is going on with the miners in China. The government is back at it with some sort of "crackdown on miners". Jihan Wu was supposed to be at a conferecne today and he wasn't present probably related to that.
And on other news.. Bithumb, the Korean exchange responsible for the mega BCash pump, visited by the police:
Get some popcorns because the drama never ends in bitcoinland.

You're up to date, jay, haha. But actually, this move should have come earlier. A lot of hydropower that is meant for industrial purposes (domestic) siphoned off for cheap Bitcoin mining. In fact, most of these "hidden" miners, and not just in China, are using electricity at domestic/household rates, which are of course cheaper than industrial rates. That has to change naturally.

And the cops at BitHumb? That can't have anything to do with Bcash... the police have been expected at BitHumb since the class action lawsuit taken by a lot of angry people who lost money during their server outage at the Bcash frenzy. They're actually there to protect BitHumb in case the angry traders get violent. You've seen those videos where South Koreans politicians brawl with each other right? Haha Oh... okay I guess it has something to do with Bcash after all ;)



Police visit to Bithumb may have nothing to do with the Bcash pump, but they incidentally visited it right during the pump so they might find something going on. Roger Ver's traffic from bitcoin.com is mostly asian, he is always shilling BCash on japan. Japan is coming soon with new mining tech, im sure he's trying to convince them to mine BCH and not BTC, we'll see about that.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: merchantofzeny on November 14, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
Jihan and Roger have different perspective to btc and bch Jihan wants that bch improves and make it own stuff the same with btc he is implying that they are different and make their own business while Roger consider that bch will replace btc and the worst part is he is calling it the real bitcoin, they are a bit contradicting to each other the only thing that is quite common is their support to bch, we will see what's gonna happen as the current price of bch is dropping and btc is fluctuating from $6000 to $6500.

Well if that's the case, then I'm in with Jihan. Since BCH forked anyway, then it should stand on its own.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 15, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
Bitcoin is approaching all time highs again while BCash has crashed badly, pretty easy prediction. BCash has made progress tho. It's still way above pre-bubble prices, so who knows, maybe it manages to stay a top5 altcoin just because it has the Bitcoin name on it mostly. But there's a problem: Coinbase still didn't allow withdraws, and several exchanges have claimed they will start dumping it. DGC (Barry Shillbert) claimed that they will start dumping like 3000 BCH a day... so watch out for that. It may be a good idea to keep some BCH to see what happens in any case, but those hoping for a flippening are delusional in my book all things considered.



Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: nidacoinlove on November 15, 2017, 06:25:58 PM
Bitcoin is approaching all time highs again while BCash has crashed badly, pretty easy prediction. BCash has made progress tho. It's still way above pre-bubble prices, so who knows, maybe it manages to stay a top5 altcoin just because it has the Bitcoin name on it mostly. But there's a problem: Coinbase still didn't allow withdraws, and several exchanges have claimed they will start dumping it. DGC (Barry Shillbert) claimed that they will start dumping like 3000 BCH a day... so watch out for that. It may be a good idea to keep some BCH to see what happens in any case, but those hoping for a flippening are delusional in my book all things considered.


Yeah it's pretty interesting bitcoin has find it's way out of the storm it's been pushed into. BCH has to be crushed guy, you still have to watch another episode of this drama. BCH will remain in the top alts lists for sometime not because of its own power but due to the support of miners and few of the whales of crypto.
Dumping BCH in the exchange will definitely bring it down but will affect many of the small investors as well. The huge investors has already withdrawn it's funds form BCH and once again  has put them to BTC. Now they will enjoy the profit from BTC. ;)


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: thejaytiesto on November 15, 2017, 06:36:26 PM
Bitcoin is approaching all time highs again while BCash has crashed badly, pretty easy prediction. BCash has made progress tho. It's still way above pre-bubble prices, so who knows, maybe it manages to stay a top5 altcoin just because it has the Bitcoin name on it mostly. But there's a problem: Coinbase still didn't allow withdraws, and several exchanges have claimed they will start dumping it. DGC (Barry Shillbert) claimed that they will start dumping like 3000 BCH a day... so watch out for that. It may be a good idea to keep some BCH to see what happens in any case, but those hoping for a flippening are delusional in my book all things considered.


Yeah it's pretty interesting bitcoin has find it's way out of the storm it's been pushed into. BCH has to be crushed guy, you still have to watch another episode of this drama. BCH will remain in the top alts lists for sometime not because of its own power but due to the support of miners and few of the whales of crypto.
Dumping BCH in the exchange will definitely bring it down but will affect many of the small investors as well. The huge investors has already withdrawn it's funds form BCH and once again  has put them to BTC. Now they will enjoy the profit from BTC. ;)

BCash's only strong point is that it has no segwit, if you believe that sooner or later segwit will lead to an huge attack as described by hyperme.sh. If this is the case, then BCH may pump, but the big money in BTC aren't fans of BCash, so ultimately it would be another pump and dump before the situation resolves on BTC. And segwit giving BTC problems is still a theoretical surface attack which im not sure if it will be practical to actually implement. So like I said, all things considered, I still see BTC as the safe place to be in crypto, just don't use segwit if you are paranoid.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: allthingsluxury on November 15, 2017, 06:46:46 PM
Roger Ver has not been silent about this fact. He has been pushing HARD for BCH. He is the main driver of it.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: btc2mars on November 15, 2017, 08:29:40 PM
Now we all thank him very much for letting us buy BTC at a cheaper price rather than above $7K Thanks Roger!!


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Xabad on November 17, 2017, 05:57:16 AM
Now we all thank him very much for letting us buy BTC at a cheaper price rather than above $7K Thanks Roger!!

Yeah if you are selfish enough you should thank him, remember someone's gain is always someone's loss.
Because of what he did more people lost a chunk of their investment from that price manipulation.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: batang_bitcoin on November 17, 2017, 06:11:46 AM
He has so much money, why isn't he quitting all this bullshit.

His total assets is not even enough. He want to be famous as the most prominent person in the world of crypto and he will ruin even the real bitcoin just for his own purpose. His flippening hope is now wasted, he should just stay to bitcoin and make the community support only one coin. Well BCH is now totally on a crash moment and this will make him now support only bitcoin and will forget BCH and as well his BU.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: coin_1122 on November 17, 2017, 06:21:33 AM
Roger Ver has not been silent about this fact. He has been pushing HARD for BCH. He is the main driver of it.

I don't why he driving the BCH to reach all time high. Bitcoin is being purchased by many big investors and whether he is playing the game with both the coins because when the price of Bitcoin dips he is grabbing as many as possible.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: eaglewhite80 on November 17, 2017, 09:13:00 AM
Roger Ver has not been silent about this fact. He has been pushing HARD for BCH. He is the main driver of it.

I don't why he driving the BCH to reach all time high. Bitcoin is being purchased by many big investors and whether he is playing the game with both the coins because when the price of Bitcoin dips he is grabbing as many as possible.

It is a game just like you have said, and apparently, he has been able to successfully played on some traders intelligence by manipulating the BCH market. Some used it as an advantage to buy into the main thing (BTC), while some gullibly fell for the trick to want to get into the BCH train that never had plans to move in the first place and now that they have been dumped on from around $2700 to $1200 now, then they should know they have been scammed by Ver.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Kingofbitcoin12345 on November 17, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Roger Ver even I do admire his intention to gamble to make a difference but that is not supported by the fact that bitcoin cash is nothing but an altcoin imitating bitcoin to grab attention and to increase its value.. It is also true that even with open eyes we can see that this move wonít materialize without the support of the people and the investors that makes bitcoin what it is now..


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: stunvn on November 17, 2017, 09:41:18 AM
Because he bought tons of BCH. Now he and his fiends are trying to manipulate the price of BCH.

They are talking about a good future, I haven't seen this kind of shill ever before.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Kevin77 on November 18, 2017, 02:03:50 PM
Roger Ver might want to go all in with bitcoin cash. No one stopping him. It is his choice either way.

He won't. He's testing how the market will react first. Bitcoin Cash's climb to $2700 was probably a good sign, but then it crashed to half of its value. Things are not looking up for them, and there's no way Roger Ver will dump his Bitcoins now.

To the people who dumped BTC and bought BCH when they saw Roger Ver move his Bitcoins, I'm sorry for your loss. You've been duped.
Exactly! He is a smart guy and mostly will not want to jeopardize all he has just for his project that he himself is not really sure of its future in the long run. The testing of the market reaction to me is for profit and I am sure by now the huge dump when it hit $2700 has really made him rich and got some people bag holding the coin right now.

Good for them as so many people will realize now that this is one highly manipulated market that no one should ever bother trading. Sorry for their loss indeed.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Caladonian on November 18, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
Roger Ver might want to go all in with bitcoin cash. No one stopping him. It is his choice either way.

He won't. He's testing how the market will react first. Bitcoin Cash's climb to $2700 was probably a good sign, but then it crashed to half of its value. Things are not looking up for them, and there's no way Roger Ver will dump his Bitcoins now.

To the people who dumped BTC and bought BCH when they saw Roger Ver move his Bitcoins, I'm sorry for your loss. You've been duped.
Exactly! He is a smart guy and mostly will not want to jeopardize all he has just for his project that he himself is not really sure of its future in the long run. The testing of the market reaction to me is for profit and I am sure by now the huge dump when it hit $2700 has really made him rich and got some people bag holding the coin right now.

Good for them as so many people will realize now that this is one highly manipulated market that no one should ever bother trading. Sorry for their loss indeed.
and don't be surprise when we seen another attempt of pumped it up since its a game of wise and those who can take advantage with each movement
will benefit with what he's doing with his coin just take some good assessment and analyze well, there's always rumors and speculations from each time
that bch moves.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: freecastle on November 18, 2017, 02:14:22 PM
personally i do not trust bcc because of this kind of personality


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: royalfestus on November 18, 2017, 06:32:06 PM
personally i do not trust bcc because of this kind of personality
I was thinking why they allowed Roger to add bitcoin to token name.  It's just one of the confusing idea. If he claims a separate entity then  it should be entire and whole. Roger cash could be the name.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: ricardobs on November 19, 2017, 07:18:24 AM
The rich guys can do whatever they want

Yeah pretty much, the guy just moved 25k bitcoin to finex which could pump any coin to the sky. But hey thanks for the free money.

Wher is the evidence? Any screeenshot or tx for this? Because I don't believe this.

Will I believe Jihan Wu liar and his tweets? No, I won't. They purely lying to the cryptocurrency community. He thinks he's a smart guy, but there are always smarter people than him.
He did send 25k worth of Bitcoin to bitfinex, itís not a lie and you can follow the Reddit link https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7cefom/roger_ver_just_sent_25k_btc_to_bitfinex/ this is it, you can go check it out yourself. Some are believing that the reason Roger Ver did this was to control the market by actually using the 25k to buy BCH, such an amount is believed to have an impact in the market. We are not sure of that though, maybe it really did.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: streazight on November 22, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
Jihan and Roger have different perspective to btc and bch Jihan wants that bch improves and make it own stuff the same with btc he is implying that they are different and make their own business while Roger consider that bch will replace btc and the worst part is he is calling it the real bitcoin, they are a bit contradicting to each other the only thing that is quite common is their support to bch, we will see what's gonna happen as the current price of bch is dropping and btc is fluctuating from $6000 to $6500.

Well if that's the case, then I'm in with Jihan. Since BCH forked anyway, then it should stand on its own.
Roger Ver has always been confused and the funny thing is that it would end up pretty messed up for him at the end. The only issue is just those falling for his pump trick which is much expected they are at huge losses right now and there are so many traders angry right now. Ver never really had a good option and all his attempts will most definitely fail no matter how hard he tries it. BCH is a shit coin, but I guess we have to wait and see what Jihan really wants to pull off.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: sana54210 on November 22, 2017, 03:51:25 PM
He has so much money, why isn't he quitting all this bullshit.
He would not. That is one thing about money. If you have now, you will want to have more.

Moreover, Roger Ver did not go full blown at all, as he just decided to manipulate the market for his own gain and that is all. People who thought something good was coming for the market and decided to enter as FOMOs are now regretting their actions apparently because BCH is already a manipulative failure.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: Lampaster on November 22, 2017, 05:48:10 PM
Roger Ver has not been silent about this fact. He has been pushing HARD for BCH. He is the main driver of it.
The main drivers were the miners. They turned on the pump. Long before that my friend bought his miner and then the Chinese took payment in bitcoin in cash. He had the bitcoins in your wallet but they refused to take them for payment. Then he told me that soon will collapse in the prices of bitcoin and the price increase of bitcoin cash. It just happened.


Title: Re: Roger Ver goes full blown BCash
Post by: MoonJeina on November 23, 2017, 02:14:48 PM
I heard  "Roger Ver" is called the Jesus of Bitcoin . With such great influence and post comes a great following . It is quite obvious , that many allies and many bitcoin supporters and investors will get attracted to BitcoinCash for the mean time if  "Roger Ver " is the man behind it . BitcoinCash is a bubble for sure . It rose so high in a very less time and i don't see it coming up from a long time . Most of the people with blockchain don't have a lot of patience i.e why they just dumped their bitcoin for bitcoincash and now they must be regretting their outlook . I hope every one understands that it is just the big name Roger Ver behind bitcoincash and he would do maximum tactics to attain more investors . You just don't have to fall for the bait.