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I would hope this is pretty obvious as he states in the contract... but many people are naive.

Perhaps they shouldn't be investing if they don't know what they are doing :P

Perhaps they shouldn't be investing if they don't know what they are doing :P

Agreed, this is a horrible investment at the offered price. I thought it was okay at first before I realized it only starts hashing in months.

Because of the lower hash rate we will have problems to deliver the full 104TH/s performance in the next weeks. Only 35296 chips are expected to be available for the mine next week. This corresponds to only 70TH/s. We are still waiting for the other packaging company to provide us with the estimation of the date for the completion of packaging.
We expect a delay of 1-2 weeks in launching the mine. We assume the initial launch will include only 70TH/s and few days later additional 34TH/s will be installed.

Actually, 100TH just announced that because the chips are working correctly (and these are the same chips used in my miner) they will start deployment next week.

https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19


I don't want to overpromise anything, so I won't adjust the contract, but it is more and more likely that the miner will arrive much sooner than September.

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You think all people are stupid ???

Nope, just you, really.

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I really want to beat you up if I could, you absolute a liar , I never seen single person like you who can ignored all truth.

The truth is PMBs lose half of its value and will be more !

So now we've moved to both threats of physical violence and claims without backing.

Those are often tools utilized by those who have no arguments at all.

I'd be happy to post real evidence of your lies, however, if you'd like that?

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So now we've moved to both threats of physical violence and claims without backing.

Those are often tools utilized by those who have no arguments at all.

I'd be happy to post real evidence of your lies, however, if you'd like that?

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Well you can buy deprived's offering at .003 BTC/mh or TAT's at .004 BTC/MH right now, so why would anyone buy your PMB and wait several months before seeing anything returned?

Well you can buy deprived's offering at .003 BTC/mh or TAT's at .004 BTC/MH right now, so why would anyone buy your PMB and wait several months before seeing anything returned?

Good question, I would encourage you to post it in the official thread as well.

First of all, 'several months' may indeed be 'a few weeks'. We don't know. Like I said, 100TH is already planning on starting deployment with these chips next week. It is less and less likely there will be delays, but the contract states September so that I won't be over-promising anything.

Second, my bond pays a bonus which is most likely going to be 1.25 months of mining revenue (or just over 5 weeks). This is the likely avenue, but as someone pointed out, if the miner performs above specs (like most ASIC devices) that bonus is higher. At a 10% higher rate, the bonus is closer to 2 months of bonus dividends, but not that this will be dividends from the launch month.

Third, when I announced this asset, the competing assets immediately dropped (TAT.VM was trading at just under 0.7 the day before I made the announcement) so the asset pricing included a discount compared to other assets. It is not unlikely that people are bidding down those assets because they know my asset is coming.

With regards to DMS.Mining, that is a bit of a strange asset that is claimed to behave like a PMB but does so only in terms of dividends. Because of the way it is issued, it will actually carry a double exposure to price changes because those that buy .Purchase gets one vote for PMB and one vote against PMB; they cast two votes effectively. Thus, prices will move more rapidly with the DMS.* assets, and investors need to be extra careful if they plan on mitigating risk by selling at a certain level.

Essentially, my asset is better priced and less risky than other assets, but is essentially (and different from other mining contracts) a bet on how quickly Bitfury and his companions get their chips to market.

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With regards to DMS.Mining, that is a bit of a strange asset that is claimed to behave like a PMB but does so only in terms of dividends. Because of the way it is issued, it will actually carry a double exposure to price changes because those that buy .Purchase gets one vote for PMB and one vote against PMB; they cast two votes effectively. Thus, prices will move more rapidly with the DMS.* assets, and investors need to be extra careful if they plan on mitigating risk by selling at a certain level.

Essentially, my asset is better priced and less risky than other assets, but is essentially (and different from other mining contracts) a bet on how quickly Bitfury and his companions get their chips to market.

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It's a fair point on DMS.MINING price volatility.  Because there's no issuer or shortage on the supply side, the price WILL drop to the market's valuation of hash-power far more rapidly than PMBs can.  So whilst the behaviour of DMS.MINING does match PMBs, the behaviour of the market in valuing it may well differ.  That makes MINING a bad investment for those whose plan is to buy something over-priced then sell it even more over-priced to others (a strategy I frequently employ myself - through necessity as the vast majority of securities aren''t actually worth what they trade at).

But the argument that because the price won't fall quickly you can make more profit/less loss by selling higher isn't quite that simple.  If the price is maintained at above value then the loss represented by the difference doesn't disappear - it just gets passed on to the next owner.  At some stage someone ends up actually bearing that loss (even if it's only a loss in the sense of less profit).  And, as we're seeing, the existence of DMS.MINING is having a knock-on effect in forcing revaluation of PMBs a bit quicker than would otherwise occur - so it becomes risky to rely on a "bigger fool" showing up.

Shouldn't "my asset is better priced" have read "my asset was better priced" - as you explain how it USED TO BE better priced then somehow change tense to the present as though it still was?  You were asked why people should buy it NOW - not why they should (maybe) have bought it a week back when it was more competitively priced (had the opportunity been available).

Shouldn't "my asset is better priced" have read "my asset was better priced" - as you explain how it USED TO BE better priced then somehow change tense to the present as though it still was?  You were asked why people should buy it NOW - not why they should (maybe) have bought it a week back when it was more competitively priced (had the opportunity been available).

Valid point, but with the bonus, I believe that a TAT.VM priced at 0.004 and a BFMines priced at 0.004 will give BFMines an advantage still. I'll hang on to semantics for a little while, if you don't mind :-)

Also, like I mentioned, the expectation of the upcoming asset may very well have driven prices down (more so with DMS.* as explained). It may not be a coincidence that TAT.VM seems to have stabilized around the price that I will charge. I do not know what the market thinks.

Really, I do expect the market to value this as they see fit. Maybe they won't find the risk of late delivery being worth the bonus, maybe they will. I expect the market, sans my friend SOSLOVE, to intelligently evaluate this asset. In fact, I sell this asset to decades-long close friends because I do believe it will offer a reasonable reward. If I were to scam them, I would lose their friendship quite rapidly.

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SOS, to be honest, I think perhaps you may want to relax a bit in your investments. It is clear that you don't accurately grasp all the factors and that you may need to work on your math a bit to avoid burning yourself on your investments and losing money.

This isn't relevant to PAJKA, though, so I suggest you look elsewhere for some general advice. Perhaps investing in a fund is a better option for you?

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This what you told me to be not too worry about PAJKA BOND, and truth is I made my goal right ~!!!

Really? This is me telling you to hold on to PAJKA? Wow, your command of the English language really is below par.

I offered you friendly advice based on your irrational behavior. That advice did not include PAJKA. In fact, I explicitly adviced you to look at funds instead.

How can this possibly be advice to hold PAJKA? Anyone?

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Uhm... Again, please provide me with a link. You make a claim, you should back it up. I'm exposing your lies as they come in, and gee, I think I'll be here all night...


I did. And doesn't that sting a bit?

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This guy orderd his devices for $20 USD per G/hash but he sell his contracts at $400 per G/hash.

One month before this man trying to convince me to hold PAJKA bonds, I am glad I have right prediction of what will happen in the future.

Thus, I only make 6BTC loss in PAJKA BOND, If I did not listen to him, I could loss half , anyone do not believe me you could going to BTCT.CO to look the past 1 month trend of PAJKA BOND.

Some guys in this forum is think I made a wrong decision...I just want to prove here , that I did not lie I have sold all my PAJKA bonds at made a net loss of 5.4 BTC..plus back the dividend I have received is 6.7 BTC.

Never mind , 5btc is the cost to pay for what I have learned .

I have personally loss around 10 BTC on those contracts, what I want to say is the issuers of PMBs are not doing anything wrong ,they just exploit the contracts and take advantage over those people who do not has certain knowledge to analysis what they are buying.

Especially, newbies please do not buying anything you do not understand , I hope that you will have a pleasure time within trading BTC stocks and probably makes profit on it,but not wasting your money on it, for those people issued PMBs at this time should be ashamed on themselves as well as who approved it to trade on exchange.

Currently market price for ASICMINER'S BLADE is cost 50 BTC..it will pay out itself in 145 days.....

I know BTC will only survive when more and more people will joint to it , I can not let minority of some evil people destroying our community by they take money away from innocent newbies.

I claimed that I do not say PMBs are traps, What I stated is wait util the market totally absorbed the new technology~

PMB is god damn sick trap!!!

Anyway ,this guy called Frunmp seems disappear now, I am still glad I sold all my contracts at 0.94 ,after I sold my contracts, I think no one sold above this price.  

only net loss 5.3 below is my transaction I do not know how to upload picture ...but I am not liar.....if you think you are right then time will tell...

2013-06-07 21:25:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   16   0.06   0.00192   0.95808
2013-06-07 21:25:33   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.0605   0.000484   0.241516
2013-06-07 21:25:32   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.061   0.000488   0.243512
2013-06-07 21:25:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   15   0.07   0.0021   1.0479
2013-06-07 21:25:29   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:25   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   3   0.0721   0.0004326   0.2158674
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.073   0.00146   0.72854
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   6   0.073001   0.00087601   0.43712998
2013-06-07 21:00:38   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.089631   0.00017926   0.08945173
2013-06-06 21:19:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.095   0.0019   0.9481
2013-06-06 21:19:21   PAJKA.BOND   sell   8   0.095   0.00152   0.75848
2013-06-06 11:48:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.101   0.00202   1.00798
2013-06-06 06:55:26   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.101   0.000202   0.100798
2013-06-06 04:52:51   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.099   0.00495   2.47005
2013-06-06 04:52:49   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.0991   0.001982   0.989018
2013-06-06 04:52:48   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.099101   0.0001982   0.09890279
2013-06-05 22:38:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.106001   0.000212   0.10578899
2013-06-05 18:06:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.10897   0.00021794   0.10875206
2013-06-05 04:56:28   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.10897   0.0010897   0.5437603
2013-06-05 01:41:59   PAJKA.BOND   sell   26   0.10897   0.00566644   2.82755356
2013-06-04 00:11:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.099   0.00198   0.98802
2013-06-04 00:11:37   PAJKA.BOND   sell   20   0.099   0.00396   1.97604
2013-06-04 00:11:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   2   0.0991   0.0003964   0.1978036
2013-06-03 23:29:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.109498   0.00021899   0.109279
2013-06-03 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   2   0.109499   0.00043799   0.21943599
2013-06-03 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   100   0.102   0.0204   10.1796
2013-06-03 21:25:14   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.102001   0.00428404   2.13773695
2013-06-03 21:25:09   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.1035   0.001035   0.516465
2013-06-03 21:25:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.105   0.00525   2.61975
2013-06-03 21:25:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:24:56   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:10:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   13   0.1084   0.0028184   1.4063816
2013-06-03 21:10:19   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.1086   0.002172   1.083828
2013-06-03 21:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.10861   0.00086888   0.43357112
2013-06-03 21:09:42   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.1087   0.0019566   0.9763434
2013-06-03 21:03:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.109   0.004578   2.284422
2013-06-03 21:03:35   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.109   0.001962   0.979038
2013-06-03 19:50:47   PAJKA.BOND   sell   40   0.1098   0.008784   4.383216
2013-06-03 19:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.1098   0.0002196   0.1095804
2013-06-01 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-30 22:45:07   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.11   0.00022   0.11022
2013-05-28 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10901   0.00021802   0.10922802
2013-05-26 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.109989   0.00021997   0.11020897
2013-05-24 22:45:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-22 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108987   0.00021797   0.10920497
2013-05-21 10:44:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108989   0.00021797   0.10920697
2013-05-20 12:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10899   0.00021798   0.10920798
2013-05-17 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1049   0.0002098   0.1051098
2013-05-16 06:39:35   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10521
2013-05-13 21:29:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1059   0.0002118   0.1061118
2013-05-12 00:50:24   PAJKA.BOND   buy   104   0.109998   0.02287958   11.46267158
2013-05-12 00:48:53   PAJKA.BOND   buy   107   0.1098   0.0234972   11.7720972
2013-05-12 00:46:22   PAJKA.BOND   option-buy   228   0.07   0   15.96

I sell my most PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something..only small amount of it at 0.6-0.99...I only made 5 BTC lose there...

I think the founder of ASICMINER must have relationship with DR.ZHANG (who invented avalon).

another assumption that DR.Zhang may be is board director of ASICMINER, I think this is the only way to explaining that retail order of AVALON are all delayed, in the meanwhile ASICEMINER has double its HASH POWER....  as long as I do not know anyone else had ability to produce ASIC chips....
assume the cheap cost and ability to produce large amount of ASIC chips in China,  which that other country can not competing with .

By the way , the clue is simple.... Lot of people not received their order of AVALON...I am a Chinese I can read Chinese...if you had this ability you also can go to BTCMAN.COM to find out the information....  

I am sorry about involving DR.ZHANG , I made a wrong assumption...

If you now that ASICMINER only use 230NM technique to produce their Chips ...but the majority technique worldwide to produce chips is 5nm today(Intel or Navidian has 0.5NM)!!!!!  and if you do not believe what I said go do your math online....

I hope that you understand ,Most of the integrated circuit manufactures in China is capable to produce at 40nm technical  , KNC is using 28nm.(not a huge differences ,and I believe China has manufacture can produce this at 28nm too.)for integrated circuit producing, it would be roughly the same process to producing 110nm  (Technical used in first Generation Blade)and 28nm ,it only different in the production equipment involved .and also consider the cost advantage in China and availability of production equipment and technicians. Still should not worry about it too much.

He said he did sold those contracts above what I sold ... my price is 0.094 , after my selling,that PAJKA bond ever exceeding this price ,

Lies. You have no idea what I paid or what the expenses are. The miner alone, however, is well above $20GH/s so on that alone, you are a liar or at the very best least ignorant.


Lies. You 'evidence' of me lying is that you read an article where I accurately described what PMBs are. There was nothing in that article that was trying to convince you of holding anything; in fact, you sold based on that article so you should probably thank me.


Lies. You sold as low as 0.6XX, which was almost half of what you paid. Since then, the price has crashed a whopping 10% at present, with lots of sales happening above that.

But let's examine your claim more accurately.




So... Your claim of losing 6BTC is a lie, or, if it is the truth, all the other claims you've made about your losses are lies.

But that's too simple, isn't it? I mean, anyone can confuse 5.5, 6.0, 6.7 in the heat of battle, and the 10BTC can easily include all your bond losses beyond PAJKA too, right?

Let's move on.

No, this is another lie and you even provided the evidence yourself. You sold on average 0.09x something, but you sold a lot cheaper than that, which I then sold a bit later:

07.06.2013 07:25   PAJKA.BOND   buy   12   0.07   0.00168   0.84168

13.06.2013 11:24   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
13.06.2013 08:10   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:57   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:55   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824

There's more, though, but I don't really want to post my entire history or even more of my trading history, but at the very least, this is hard, firm evidence that I did sell what I bought from you at a higher price than I paid and that you, once again, is proven to be a liar.

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They do not know, this why we should help them , because they are the future of BTC.
We should do something to stop those greedy people destroying people's faith in BTC.

+1 Many people are not aware of the idea of PMB.

Made some effort on it , let those greedy people disappeared in this forum.

Are you not greedy/self-interested for not wanting to lose money?

Why would anybody invest in an security by furuknap? There's something very wrong with the logical part of his brain (http://coin.furuknap.net/why-investing-in-mining-is-always-a-bet-that-prices-will-drop/).

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OK, I guess my example was still too complicated to comprehend.

* you lucky man. You have 1 share of "A"
* "A" pay you money. Good money! 10 money every Saturday! You so happy!
* "A" price drop 12 money every Saturday too. You sad! Got 10 but lost 12.
* You still happy!? You stupid!

Or do we need to use crayons and paint you a fkn picture? :)

If you can buy a PMBT at deep discount so your next predicted "div payments - loss form price drop" gives you a positive number, go for it.

No, this is another lie and you even provided the evidence yourself. You sold on average 0.09x something, but you sold a lot cheaper than that, which I then sold a bit later:

07.06.2013 07:25   PAJKA.BOND   buy   12   0.07   0.00168   0.84168

13.06.2013 11:24   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
13.06.2013 08:10   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:57   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:55   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824
12.06.2013 20:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.088   0.000176   0.087824

There's more, though, but I don't really want to post my entire history or even more of my trading history, but at the very least, this is hard, firm evidence that I did sell what I bought from you at a higher price than I paid and that you, once again, is proven to be a liar.

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Actually, 100TH just announced that because the chips are working correctly (and these are the same chips used in my miner) they will start deployment next week.

https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19


I don't want to overpromise anything, so I won't adjust the contract, but it is more and more likely that the miner will arrive much sooner than September.

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wow furuknap, don't you have any sense of embarrassment?  who gives a fuck if SOSLOVE is lying or if hes just terrible at english, hes not the one trying to sell a shitty mining security

Lies. You have no idea what I paid or what the expenses are. The miner alone, however, is well above $20GH/s so on that alone, you are a liar or at the very best least ignorant.


Lies. You 'evidence' of me lying is that you read an article where I accurately described what PMBs are. There was nothing in that article that was trying to convince you of holding anything; in fact, you sold based on that article so you should probably thank me.


Lies. You sold as low as 0.6XX, which was almost half of what you paid. Since then, the price has crashed a whopping 10% at present, with lots of sales happening above that.

But let's examine your claim more accurately.




So... Your claim of losing 6BTC is a lie, or, if it is the truth, all the other claims you've made about your losses are lies.

But that's too simple, isn't it? I mean, anyone can confuse 5.5, 6.0, 6.7 in the heat of battle, and the 10BTC can easily include all your bond losses beyond PAJKA too, right?

Let's move on.


OK, let's look a bit at this.


My asset is priced cheaper than ASICMINER'S BLADE so according to your analysis, my asset should repay itself faster than 145 days.

This isn't a lie on your end, though, just an example of how insane your analysis are. You tout AM blades as profitable because you own AM shares, yet scorn cheaper priced investments. It's a bit of a weird claim at the very least.


You mean, you _want_ newbies to pay BTC 0.005 for mining a megahash when you get a but of the sale but you don't want them to pay 0.004 when you don't get a profit?


Lies.


But let's not stop there, shall we?


Considering that all trades are public, this would be a rather strange thing to say because it is easily proven as a lie. Maybe... Oh, yes, there it is...


Of course, we can just check this against your other claims:


...and yet another number.

The truth, as we can learn here, is that you sold quite a lot of your assets under 0.1 and a fair amount of them much lower and as low as 0.6. If you can't imagine how someone could buy those bonds and sell them later at a higher price, well, that's just another nail in your insanity coffin.

But wait, there's more!

Your pattern of libelous slander without any backing is starting to become apparent with this:




But if slandering and making conspiracy accusations isn't enough, we have the outright insanity too:


So now the world has invented 5nm chips and that's what's being used by the majority of the world today and Intel and Navidian (or nvidia), for crying out loud, has 0.5NM!!!!! (I think that was five, yes)

Not just that, but AM went back to 230nm chips from what they have been using all this time, which is a 130nm chip.

Actually, this isn't the only time he doesn't know what the squat he's talking about.


So now we're back to 110nm, which is still wrong, but more importantly, even if it was right, SOSLove would like us to believe that really, it's nothing different from 28nm, so there's really no point in worrying about the competition because their hardware isn't that much better.


To be honest, I could do this all night, but I'm getting a bit fed up of exposing this idiot, so I'm going to go to bed. I go to bet without having seen a single shred of evidence of SOSLove's claim that I have lied to him, but I hope I have offered at least a speck of insight into this person's mind by showing his train of thoughts in various situations.

I'll try to respond to any reasonable arguments tomorrow, but please feel free to post any questions in the main thread for the asset.

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If you can't read above and continues make those false statement about me ,People will determine the truth from copy of my transactions. I do not worry ,people are not blind, as long as you think people are stupid, but I think they don't.... You evil plan will not go succeed, and I will try my best to stop people being hurt by your pitfall bond contract~

I'm not the one creating new threads to target someone and then taint my reputation by posting proven lies about that person. I am also not the one that keeps lying about what prices you sold at and explode when I point out that I earned 15-20% on the shares you panic-sold when you learned that you had been an idiot and invested in something you didn't understand.

Like I've told you: You choose to act like an idiot, even when you've been exposed as a liar and slanderer. I'm just posting verifiable facts to refute your claims.

Also, I don't attack your English; never have. In fact, I've granted you incredible leeway in understanding what it is you are trying to say.

Your mistakes aren't minor; they are major and you keep denying them despite them now being proven to everyone.

So, simple answer: Stop acting like an idiot and I'll stop pointing it out to everyone.

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I'm not the one creating new threads to target someone and then taint my reputation by posting proven lies about that person. I am also not the one that keeps lying about what prices you sold at and explode when I point out that I earned 15-20% on the shares you panic-sold when you learned that you had been an idiot and invested in something you didn't understand.

Like I've told you: You choose to act like an idiot, even when you've been exposed as a liar and slanderer. I'm just posting verifiable facts to refute your claims.

Also, I don't attack your English; never have. In fact, I've granted you incredible leeway in understanding what it is you are trying to say.

Your mistakes aren't minor; they are major and you keep denying them despite them now being proven to everyone.

So, simple answer: Stop acting like an idiot and I'll stop pointing it out to everyone.

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wow furuknap, don't you have any sense of embarrassment?  who gives a fuck if SOSLOVE is lying or if hes just terrible at english, hes not the one trying to sell a shitty mining security

I just trying to prevent people make stupid decision, that eventually loss its money..

The Survive of BTC is part depend on those new entry, if they loss their money by buying those PMBs ,then they might leaves this community and would probably never comeback . We can't let the minority of people by issuing those PMBs at this time to hurt majority of people..
Most newbies when they make decision ,they are often do no make right judgement.

if one person read my post and stop invest in those bonds ,then it is the victory of myself, I will be proud of what I did today ~

You do care about your reputation ? Are you serious?  you care your reputation by sell 20 times overpriced miners and which will be delivery in September (If everything of this metabank not a scam...) to those investors?? you care your reputation by ignored the basic truth PMBs is a sick trap , everyone in this sub-forum realize it right now... If I am you I would not saying that I got reputation, because I need reputation to cheating more people.

So, simple answer: Stop acting like an idiot and I'll stop pointing it out to everyone.

*sigh*


You know, your beloved ASICMiner sells hardware with far greater proceeds than I am. AM's advance on USB miners is 33x. For blades, it used to be 50x. For USB Miners, it used to be 66x.

Mine is 20x. Am's overhead is likely much lower than mine, so if you include cost of operation, AM is far more of a scammer than I am.

I'm sure you'll post a similar thread about friedcat now.

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Are you really insane or you just think we are too stupid ?

I just think you're acting stupid. By choice. I have no idea whether you actually are as stupid as you appear.

That would be sad, though.

Regardless, I'm done with your trolling. I may drop by to repost the evidence of your lies and insanity if you keep your harassment up.

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I just think you're acting stupid. By choice. I have no idea whether you actually are as stupid as you appear.

That would be sad, though.

Regardless, I'm done with your trolling. I may drop by to repost the evidence of your lies and insanity if you keep your harassment up.

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First of all ,I am not lied about anything, just Furuknap focus on picking up some small mistakes I have made, Second , Am I really that Bad at English? (Furuknap will be more than happy about it ,because he can take advantage over my poor English). :( 
Thirdly , Yes, I do not selling anything shitty mining security to the public.....I do not have the incentives to make lie.... :P

yeah sos, you're pretty bad at english :)  It's ok though, I don't speak a word of chinese!

PMBs are bad long-term investments?

So what?

Who cares?

At this point we all know it. It us up to the exchanges to not list them if they are so morally reprehensible. So go complain on BTC-TC and BitFunder threads about PMBs. Don't slander someone who is operating a common business on this forum. Why aren't you slandering dice game operators? Are they not poor long term investments for users? Why not troll Lenders for their exorbitant APRs? Why not troll people who resale pre-orders of ASIC equipment? It seems like your dead set on a personal vendetta, which strips away your credibility.

In conclusion, stop slandering people and make your complaints to the exchanges, (who will promptly ignore you).