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Title: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:14:54 AM
Hmmmm


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: ColdHardMetal on December 28, 2010, 06:22:02 AM
My advice: Take all available cash and head to casino. Place all cash on black as black always hits the first time. If it turns out you were actually there for the second time, at least you can probably still get a free meal and maybe a drink or two.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on December 28, 2010, 06:24:57 AM
My advice: Take all available cash and head to casino. Place all cash on black as black always hits the first time. If it turns out you were actually there for the second time, at least you can probably still get a free meal and maybe a drink or two.

You got fooled by a spambot pretending to be human.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:26:51 AM
I literally don't have but 3$ to my name.. I am completely broke, and I gotta get my ass into a hotel... The shelter does a raffle at 6pm, I don't get off work till 5:30 and to catch the bus at 6? There's no chance I can make it, I called them and they can't make special arrangements.. So that really screws me.. I need a place to stay so I can make sure I can keep my job.. I have to be up by 6:30, and I have no way to make sure I'm up by then if I'm sleeping outside.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: ColdHardMetal on December 28, 2010, 06:27:10 AM
My advice: Take all available cash and head to casino. Place all cash on black as black always hits the first time. If it turns out you were actually there for the second time, at least you can probably still get a free meal and maybe a drink or two.

You got fooled by a spambot pretending to be human.

It's just the standard advice I hand out when presented with these kinds of tales.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:27:50 AM
My advice: Take all available cash and head to casino. Place all cash on black as black always hits the first time. If it turns out you were actually there for the second time, at least you can probably still get a free meal and maybe a drink or two.

You got fooled by a spambot pretending to be human.

Unfortunatly, I'm as human as they come...

http://tinypic.com/r/2agq649/7 That's my daughter when she was on life support.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on December 28, 2010, 06:30:03 AM
http://tinypic.com/r/2agq649/7 That's my daughter when she was on life support.

If you were a part of this community, we are apt to believe you. Since you post a HELP sign as a stranger, we don't know if you're a bot, fraudster, or an honest person.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on December 28, 2010, 06:34:18 AM
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/r314650-.html

http://www.hackthissite.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=6477&sid=3a56ce98bc59ffbbe797297b22c92c58

This is the extent of my investigation.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:41:47 AM
I understand you don't know me, I was advised to come here via a friend from hackthissite to download this program.
I'm just getting to a point where I'm so desperate I'm asking anyone I can think of... The shelter here in boulder does a raffle at 6pm, you pick a ticket, first 100 people get in, first come first serve. I get off work at 5:30 and I can't even catch a bus until 6... I tried calling the shelter but they won't make any special arrangements.. I'm alright with sleeping outside but I need to be up by 6:30 showered and ready, and I can't do that homeless. I'm still waiting on my first check, and hopefully I can get a place with that, (I have a friend who rents properties and he agreed to rent to me without a deposit) but I need some help in the meantime. Maybe you don't trust me, I suppose you have no reason to. But I'm reaching out for an ounce of humanity in order to help me stave off the storm...

I really wish I was making this all up.... I really do.. But the mother of my child doesn't want to have anything to do with our daughter Lily.. and last I heard she got arrested while she was prostituting herself for cocaine... It hurts so much because she used to be a good mother, if she was shit, I could understand.. but she breast fed for 14 months! She taught her well, so attentive and patient. My daughter said please and thank you by 14 months, and knew what it meant! It would be easy to let her go if she was a shitty mother, but I'm having trouble... The drugs turned her into a woman I don't even know anymore... Should I try and get her back to who she was or just give up? I don't know...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 06:49:59 AM
OK, I can offer advice having roughed it during travels:

Firstly you should not have let it progress to this point. You left things far too long to degenerate without taking action. Now you're in the shit. It's far harder to keep yourself afloat when your head is below water.

Find a place to sleep. At night you can go inside a public toilet and lock the door. Use the sinks to wash under your arms and your face as you don't want to stink. Another good place is buying a train ticket- it's a good too for travel as you sleep and wake-up in a new city (work?).

See also this guy,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_gardner

Start looking for squatters. Squats aren't junky places like you often see in the movies but many of them are quite nice- maybe slightly political with anarchist leanings. Explain your situation and ask for shelter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvXB8-AGCwE

For food do the freeganism thing. You can go to markets at the weekend and ask for their refuse food- food that's a little past the sell-by date but is otherwise fine. Also the big supermarkets like to put lots of food (still wrapped and mostly fine) in the dumpsters. Lookup dumpster diving for more info. One easy thing is just going into a restaurant (think MacDonalds) and eating people's leftover meals- it's not that bad as you image because people are people just like you and me. Often people actually leave quite a lot of leftovers and you can get a good meal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumpster_diving
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeganism

Accept your situation. No one is going to help. You have to seize action. Unfortunate but true. Sadly the scammers have made life tough for genuine people.

... There's lots of ways to live free (I've done it)... Will post more as I remember tips.

You action plan should be:
- Find immediate place to sleep (public toilet, overnight train)
- Dumpster dive, ask small shops/markets for refuse food & seek out free food.
- Get work ASAP
- Search squats to stay at.
- Take control.
- STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM DEGENERATE FUCKUPS. They will only ruin everything and cause you massive hassles.

good luck.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:52:43 AM
Send that shit to my email, waffers at gmail.. I've done the homeless thing plenty of times before, I just never had a job while I was homeless (it's kinda difficult to maintain when you're spending your time hustling for food/shelter etc..), now I can't afford to lose that. If I do, I don't know how to get back on my feet without it.. Unless I can find someone to help me stay.. If you have any information specific to the longmont/boulder colorado area, it'd be very helpful.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 06:54:20 AM
If you was in the UK I would try to put you up... help you out :( Sadly it's not possible cos you're in the USA.

If someone agrees to let you stay then take that as a blessing and work your ass off to get up and running ASAP! Don't be a bummy leecher until they kick you out/get pissed @ you!

and stay away from that ex! she sounds like a massive failure.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 06:57:01 AM
If you was in the UK I would try to put you up... help you out :( Sadly it's not possible cos you're in the USA.

If someone agrees to let you stay then take that as a blessing and work your ass off to get up and running ASAP! Don't be a bummy leecher until they kick you out/get pissed @ you!
The guy I'm staying with is moving back to Cali, he's actually one of the guys who the mother of my child cheated on me for... she said she was gonna leave me for this guy... I think he feels guilty or something... she got back together with me then ended up leaving me for another woman, then she started doing cocaine ecstasy acid etc with this woman... then this chick left her and she headed up to denver to do the prostitution thing... I wish I had a normal life man...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: jgarzik on December 28, 2010, 07:01:38 AM
You're begging for money on a bitcoin forum...  but you don't post a bitcoin address for donations?  Strange.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 07:04:48 AM
You're begging for money on a bitcoin forum...  but you don't post a bitcoin address for donations?  Strange.

I'm not that vain, if anyone wants to help they'll talk to me and ask for it... if not I'm not just gonna hold out a jar like a hobo, but I guess I should start acting like what I am....


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 07:05:22 AM
can you post some details? i'll try to show some americans and see if they can deposit.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 07:09:48 AM
Ugh.. it's 1F5KnfiGkHL7icJ7LGBtrYsp8NwXKqsMDj and my paypal is skostemart@gmail.com

I really don't like just putting this out here man.. I don't even like asking for money, but I'm down to 10 hours and I called in sick for tomorrow just so I can get my shit out of here and find somewhere to camp or something, hopefully I can get together some money for a hotel.. if not I'm gonna try and find a tent.. Last time I was homeless it was in california.. Santa Cruz Exactly.. and it's 70 degress everyday of the year! Here it's -5-50F everyday... and thank god it hasn't snowed yet, but I'm sure it'll snow tomorrow, the first day I'm homeless :(


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 07:13:55 AM
start contacting environmentalists and communist/anarchist websites. ask for helping hand. do not ask for money but say you need help or work.

better in those places than this libertarian haven.

start giving people proof. many people here are skeptical. you need to convince them. photos, anything...

also how can people help you?
- work? (what are your skills)
- shelter? (how long?)
- money? (how much/how to pay you?)

Go to http://www.couchsurfing.org/ , start posting in the North America group like crazy,
http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=277

Asking for money off the bat is a BAD IDEA. Ask for help in other ways. If people want to donate then they'll find ways to ask you. Hearing a call for money is an instant turn-off for most.

Really 7 months was a long time to leave this until it got desperate.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 07:16:13 AM
Ugh.. it's 1F5KnfiGkHL7icJ7LGBtrYsp8NwXKqsMDj and my paypal is skostemart@gmail.com

I really don't like just putting this out here man.. I don't even like asking for money, but I'm down to 10 hours and I called in sick for tomorrow just so I can get my shit out of here and find somewhere to camp or something, hopefully I can get together some money for a hotel.. if not I'm gonna try and find a tent.. Last time I was homeless it was in california.. Santa Cruz Exactly.. and it's 70 degress everyday of the year! Here it's -5-50F everyday... and thank god it hasn't snowed yet, but I'm sure it'll snow tomorrow, the first day I'm homeless :(

Fuck the hotel. You will need that money. Go find a public toilet and lock the doors. Go to the newspaper bank and grab lots of cardboard/paper to put in bunches under your clothes to keep you warm.

Another option is to climb some roofs if your city is a dense urban area. Find a warm enclave.

Put your shit in lockers. You don't want to get mugged. Stay off the drink.

You don't need a tent if you're in the city.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 07:21:50 AM

also how can people help you?
- work? (what are your skills)

Really 7 months was a long time to leave this until it got desperate.
I have a job, I'm doing telemarketing for "Reliable Printing" We do cold-calling to businesses and get printer numbers so our sales assoc. can use our warm call to sell printer cartridges. It's a shitty job, but it was guaranteed since they have a 80%+ turnover rate..

7 months? No, I've been dealing with this off and on for 7 months..  but it was me and the mother of my child working hand in hand.. but when she left me I had to move in with the guy she was cheating on me with, I've had stable housing for.. 3 weeks now.. I got a job within the first week here, but it's a two-week pay period..

Look up Alexandra Stiebing on myspace... Those are pictures of me, my ex, and my daughter...

http://www.myspace.com/delusionaldrunkenhostess/photos/albums/lilly-on-ecmo/2645026#mssrc=SitesPhotos_SP_AlbumCover_ViewAlbum
http://www.myspace.com/delusionaldrunkenhostess/photos/albums/little-lily/2638224#mssrc=SitesPhotos_SP_AlbumCover_ViewAlbum

God man, why'd you ask me to get those.. I'm fucking crying... She used to be such a good mother, and that WAS my family... Now it's just shattered pieces..


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: joe on December 28, 2010, 07:23:57 AM
I had called my landlord to inform him of the situation on the 3rd and he told me "I don't give a fucking shit, all your shit is going in the trash, you're gonna need to dig it out or it'll be gone by tomorrow." So I left the hospital immediately recover my belongings, to find out he was throwing everything out on trash day, within hours of the garbage trucks arrival. As I'm sifting everything I own out, I notice my 400$ cookware, 600$ kitchen knives, 750$ television and 600$ computer are missing. I assume he was betting I wouldn't make it there in time. He even stole the copper bowl out of my 40$ copper pit. Well, I called the police and they informed me that this is a civil issue, and I'd have to sue. There was no chance he was going to give me my 900$ security deposit either. Beautiful country.
Do you want to kill the landlord? I will pledge $300. Others on the forum will hopefully join in with offers too.

Post his name so we can verify he is alive now, then the bounty will pay out to your bitcoin address if he dies in the next month due to an accident or act of violence, confirmed by a newspaper or police report/crime log.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 07:33:58 AM
I understand you don't know me, I was advised to come here via a friend from hackthissite to download this program.
I'm just getting to a point where I'm so desperate I'm asking anyone I can think of... The shelter here in boulder does a raffle at 6pm, you pick a ticket, first 100 people get in, first come first serve. I get off work at 5:30 and I can't even catch a bus until 6... I tried calling the shelter but they won't make any special arrangements.. I'm alright with sleeping outside but I need to be up by 6:30 showered and ready, and I can't do that homeless. I'm still waiting on my first check, and hopefully I can get a place with that, (I have a friend who rents properties and he agreed to rent to me without a deposit) but I need some help in the meantime. Maybe you don't trust me, I suppose you have no reason to. But I'm reaching out for an ounce of humanity in order to help me stave off the storm...

I really wish I was making this all up.... I really do.. But the mother of my child doesn't want to have anything to do with our daughter Lily.. and last I heard she got arrested while she was prostituting herself for cocaine... It hurts so much because she used to be a good mother, if she was shit, I could understand.. but she breast fed for 14 months! She taught her well, so attentive and patient. My daughter said please and thank you by 14 months, and knew what it meant! It would be easy to let her go if she was a shitty mother, but I'm having trouble... The drugs turned her into a woman I don't even know anymore... Should I try and get her back to who she was or just give up? I don't know...

I'm trying to understand what your situation is, but it is hard.

You seem to be on your own, where is the baby? Is there 1 or 2 kids? It sounds like one was born recently, but also like one is over 14 months old. Are you in Cali or Colorado?

if you are alone it can't hurt to give your exact location. The only real help you will get is from people physically near you. Maybe someone knows someone who can help or has a reputable forum account at a forum with lots of members in your area or something.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 07:40:14 AM
I had called my landlord to inform him of the situation on the 3rd and he told me "I don't give a fucking shit, all your shit is going in the trash, you're gonna need to dig it out or it'll be gone by tomorrow." So I left the hospital immediately recover my belongings, to find out he was throwing everything out on trash day, within hours of the garbage trucks arrival. As I'm sifting everything I own out, I notice my 400$ cookware, 600$ kitchen knives, 750$ television and 600$ computer are missing. I assume he was betting I wouldn't make it there in time. He even stole the copper bowl out of my 40$ copper pit. Well, I called the police and they informed me that this is a civil issue, and I'd have to sue. There was no chance he was going to give me my 900$ security deposit either. Beautiful country.
Do you want to kill the landlord? I will pledge $300. Others on the forum will hopefully join in with offers too.

Post his name so we can verify he is alive now, then the bounty will pay out to your bitcoin address if he dies in the next month due to an accident or act of violence, confirmed by a newspaper or police report/crime log.


Lol.. He probably deserves death, but not by my hand.. I believe people get what's coming to them.. I can't for the life of me remember his name.. I'd have to see if he's still renting out his place.. He owned some architecture company out of state.. As much as he hurt me, I can't wish that on another person.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 07:49:13 AM
i swore to boycott paypal, but im making an exception here. Have donated $46... unable to donate more because hard for me to xfer money as i dont use banks :( hopefully others will help make up the other $100 you need.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 07:53:42 AM
I'm currently in colorado, longmont, just outside of boulder. As I said, I gave my child to my parents so they could watch her. She turns 2 tomorrow actually. Her name is Lillian Carole Iwanski. My name is Casey Iwanski, the coke-whore is alexandra stiebing. I got robbed my landlord, moved in with my parents, they got evicted, I moved to california, got screwed by my ex's alcoholic mother, spent about a year out there.. was panhandling everyday just to get a hotel, until I ran into the guy who wrote the book johnny pneumonic, he bought us a ticket back out here to colorado.. We were gonna work in my parents restaurant but literally 2 days before we got on the plane the IRS closed them down for back taxes, it seems the manager of the restaurant was stealing money from the deposits, my step-dad (my dad is dead) went out and bought all the waitresses Christmas cards with 100$ in them, and got the manager one with 300$ in it... None of the waitresses received their Christmas card.

This was last Christmas, we weren't really ever able to recoup the losses, due to our bookkeeping being so far behind we weren't able to catch him, he was doing this for about 2 years...

But anyway, so the IRS shut us down (the restaurant is called Swanky Franks, or rather was..) so we flew out here and me and my ex were struggling for cash still... we were staying in a hotel and panhandling everyday.. I decided that our child would be best with my parents, so they're watching her.. I was working at boldercalls until my ex ended up stealing my phone and leaving me for another woman.. She moved in with the woman and left me high and dry.. So I was left homeless again.. and I wasn't really able to keep my job at boldercalls (They do cold-calling for insurance companies) She ended up stripping at the bus-stop, and then when that woman left her, she started just whoring herself up in denver for coke. I moved in with one of the guys she was cheating on me with about 3-4 weeks back, I was able to get another telemarketing job at Reliable Printing, we do cold calls to businesses and try to extract printer model/serial numbers, then we relay the information to our sales team.. etc.. But I moved in here knowing I had less than a month till he was moving back to california (The leaseholder) and he's moving tomorrow. I was hoping for a 3000$ tax return (Yes, I've waited this long to file), but my parents ended up stealing that from me, they claim they didn't and that I owed them all of it.. but they told me I owed them it 2 days after I deposited it into their account.. That was supposed to be my seed money... but alas I'm left without it and I'm screwed..

I have no intention of suing my parents, that money will eventually goto my child, so I'm not too worried about it, it just upsets me that they made up a bunch of things to artificially inflate my debt in order to keep my step-dad from losing his office...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 08:08:41 AM
If you really want something personal.. I wrote a couple poems after she left us... One's kinda vile I warn you...








Another birth is done, but what's won?
Again, earth goes round the sun.
We smother the sound as love departs.
Shove the pain deep, away from hearts.
Failed, I have, my soul to save.
We hid our dreams in our castle made of sand.
I can barely hear the waves.
Closing in the walls upon us as they land.
My efforts useless or so it seems.
As I see that fading gleam,
That rotting apple of your eye.
But I know that you're dying,
and a corpse can't cry.
Sad I feel when I have to deal,
With a good Mom turned bad.
Is there calm in this storm's eye?
Or should I mourn for the mother of my kid?
Who tried so very hard at all that she did?
Should I say "Mommy went away"?
On my knees I try to pray,
The light is blinding, I am not free.
For shades of gray are all I see.
I struggle so hard as I try to say,
"I'm sorry Lily, mommy chose death,
She's alive, but she's taken her last breath."
----------------------------------
Open your fucking mouth and close your fucking eyes.
Your words drifted south in a wisp of known demise.
Corrupted to the core, a liar and a whore.
The fire in your eyes, can't burn away your lies.
Your charred and blackened soul,
seems now has taken toll.
Where once was only rich,
Now a distant lore.
A broken piece, a shattered hole,
a token bitch, a battered whore.
A tattered stitch, in a cratered core.
Heart born into slavery,
and fated poor.

Now open your fucking mouth
and close your fucking eyes.
Lift up your fucking skirt,
I'll fuck what I despise.
Your face stained with dirt,
Your pain is no surprise
You say "It fucking hurts."
My sympathy, it dies
The devil with now I flirt,
as I fuck away your lies.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 08:18:13 AM
Are you able to give a picture of your face holding a piece of paper with the date saying 'HeLLo B1tcoiners'?

I'm asking some other people and want to prove you're legit (since we have the dated photo of you from myspace).


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 08:26:45 AM
You have a computer of your own I guess? Do you have a safe place to put your things if you have to sleep outside? Do you have a phone? Do you have a way to get money out of PP immediately?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
Lol

http://tinypic.com/r/6qv14y/7

Sorry it's dark, my roommate is trying to sleep 5 feet away from me.

My ex sold my phone for drugs (I believe I said that), I still have the number active though, and no this is his laptop, I'm sure I could find somewhere to put my stuff, but all I have left after the moves and the landlords is clothing.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on December 28, 2010, 08:38:18 AM
Post a bitcoin address if you can use it, but I don't know what we can really do to help since you can't buy a BigMac or pay the electric bill just yet.  The best we can really do for you is provide enough bitcoins for you to drown your sorrows in porn over at www.bitcoinxxx.com.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 28, 2010, 08:42:32 AM
Post a bitcoin address if you can use it, but I don't know what we can really do to help since you can't buy a BigMac or pay the electric bill just yet.  The best we can really do for you is provide enough bitcoins for you to drown your sorrows in porn over at www.bitcoinxxx.com.

He posted them:
1F5KnfiGkHL7icJ7LGBtrYsp8NwXKqsMDj and my paypal is skostemart@gmail.com

If he gives direct bank deposit then people can wire money to his bank.
And also people might know people close by who can help him out in minor ways (food, temporary shelter)


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 08:44:18 AM
My paypal is linked to a prepaid debit card, so it takes 2-3 days to get it, but they let you do direct deposit on prepaid debit cards, at least with only1... I don't even know how bitcoins work honestly...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 08:49:02 AM
My paypal is linked to a prepaid debit card, so it takes 2-3 days to get it, but they let you do direct deposit on prepaid debit cards, at least with only1... I don't even know how bitcoins work honestly...

Sorry to ask things you already answered. I did try to read your post.

So PayPal will not help you get a hotel for tomorrow night?

Since there aren't too many bitcoin merchants yet, bitcoins probably won't be fast enough since you'll need to convert them to cash or something.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
I think I have a buddy who I can paypal to and he'll westy back, but I don't know if I'll be able to get ahold of him within... fucking like 9 hours now..
I gotta wait till he wakes up and hopefully gets online... He has a paypal debit card so he should be able to do it instantly, and I trust him, it's just a matter of getting ahold of him..

BTW No one commented on my poetry :( Is it any good?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 09:23:27 AM
PM sent, in case you don't see it.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 09:31:39 AM
I assume you have no car, but do you have a licence?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
My licence is expired and it's 35$ to get a new one..


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: FreeMoney on December 28, 2010, 09:43:11 AM
My licence is expired and it's 35$ to get a new one..

Okay, just thinking of options for you. Did you get my PM?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 10:11:20 AM
I have a talon TSI but the breakpads are shot and I ran into a pole with my front right tire, so the arm is fucked and if I let go of the steering wheel it makes a right turn, I had it parked at the resteraunt but someone towed it, so I don't even know where it is.. It'll probably cost more than the cars worth just to get it out.. shame too it was a nice car..

Did you get my reply?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 11:55:21 AM
Ugh... down to like 7 hours...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: skull88 on December 28, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
All I can say is wtf? This cant be real.

If you lived in Belgium I would help you out but it is pretty impossible for me to help you from here.
Don't they have something like a ocmw in the usa? A place when you are in big financial shit they can help you out? The first months (or till you are back on your feet) your paycheck goes to them but they pay everything for you (electricity, water, phone,tv,internet etc), make sure you have a place to live, make sure you have enough for food and get to work.

And is that landlord not bound to any rules so he can't raise the rent and surely can't throw your personall stuff away and steal the thing with high value ???
I surely would sue him for this.  :-\


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 02:09:59 PM
The only welfare program we have in Colorado for a single individual is foodstamps, I can't even get medical assistance.. Let alone a work/housing program...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 28, 2010, 02:17:23 PM
I gotta be out of here right NOW. So I'll try and hop on a library computer later. Wish me luck, and if anyone can help, please do.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Bimmerhead on December 28, 2010, 03:22:43 PM
I see you're on Facebook.
Open up your privacy settings so that we can all see your friends list.  That way we can tell if we have any common friends or connections and maybe we can ask somebody in the area to give you a couch.

Did you get your cookware, computer and kitchen knives back from the landlord, or are they gone for good?





Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 29, 2010, 12:39:24 AM
Your parents won't help you?
When my ex left me for another woman, she was staying at her hotel, and the cops got called while my daughter was there, since there were drugs and needles in the place, social services became involved. They took my daughter into custody, because I at the time was homeless (as I am now as of this morning) they opened a "dependency and neglect" (this is the generic name for any social services case) case. Once the case is opened a mandatory restraining order is put in place, allowing for contact with my daughter only through social services, meaning supervised visits. My parents are currently watching my daughter, and if I see my daughter without social service's supervision they'll put me in jail. I need to get back on my feet, and prove to them that my ex has nothing to do with me, mainly. Once I do that and assure them that my ex's actions and life choices in no way relate to or reflect my parenting ability the restraining order will be lifted.

I just wasted my last 5$ to get on here (stupid effing kinkos rent a computer, such a ripoff, 5$ for about 10 minutes) to try and see if anyone had sent me some money...
Now I'm SOL...

Please I'm begging for help, my paypal is skostemart@gmail.com

I'm now at the library, and they allocate 2 hours a day for free, I was so worried I wouldn't be able to get back on tonight. i found the cheapest hotel I could, it's $39.90 for one night, and I'm running out of time.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Bimmerhead on December 29, 2010, 03:47:01 AM
I see from your posts on another forum that you're a PHP developer.

This won't help you for tonight, obviously, but there are people on here willing to pay to get bitcoin-related projects done.  Look under Project Development or search on "bounty".



Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: da2ce7 on December 29, 2010, 04:27:07 AM
Go to your local Latter Day Saint Church / bishop, and ask for help.  The have lots of resources at their disposal.  Many people don't take advantage of them.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on December 29, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Maybe helpful: http://www.couchsurfing.org/ (http://www.couchsurfing.org/) - Suggested by a Denver Hackerspace member.

I found 12 results of people offering their couch.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Timo Y on December 29, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
If you have the choice between taking charity from a friend or from a stranger, in my experience it's always best to pick the stranger first.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: bober182 on December 29, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
http://wiki.stealthiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://wiki.stealthiswiki.org/wiki/Survive

That should help out if you have the time to chase these items.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 29, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
I know how to "hustle," but I'm done doing that, I've got a legitimate job, and thank god we're off now for the holidays, but that's my number one priority is maintaining my job. I don't really need advice on how to be homeless, because being homeless is a full-time job, that doesn't really coincide with legitimate employment. I NEED to keep this job, and that's the trouble I'm having, I was able to panhandle 35$ and talk the hotel owner into letting me stay last night, but I'm up in Denver now, and once again, I need to come up with some cash to keep myself afloat. I need to save up for a place, so I really can't do a payday loan, because if I do, I'm gonna blow my paycheck before I even get it. I've got a buddy who rents places, and as I believe I said before, he's agreed to let me stay there without deposit. Right now, I have a running buddy, like boondock saints, we're taking care of eachother, so that makes the housing situation a tad bit more difficult, trying to find someone who'll let both of us stay there. I've got.. 3$ right now and I need to come up with 40$ total for another night in a hotel, I know most of you guys can't afford to help, and I understand, but if you could pass it along, maybe post my plight on other websites, perhaps I can find some humanity left in this world.. I'm at the Denver library and I get 2 hours a day online, so my time is very limited. If 4 people did 10$, or 8 people with 5$, I would be all set. It's fine if you can't cover the whole thing, but if anyone is willing to help with anything, it'd be much appreciated. If I start back into the whole homeless hustle lifestyle, I'll be sealing my fate. Hustling is a 24/7 job, and it requires alot of time and energy that could be otherwise devoted to a job.

Wish me luck, and any amount of money would help me, even if it's 1$...


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 29, 2010, 08:34:03 PM
Did you get your cookware, computer and kitchen knives back from the landlord, or are they gone for good?
Per Colorado law, an illegal eviction is a civil matter, not a criminal, so even though I called the police as he was stealing and throwing away my shit, they showed up to tell me that they couldn't do anything. That if I had anything missing I would have to hire a lawyer and sue him. He also kept my 900$ damage deposit, and as I did no damage to the place I should have gotten that back as well, but alas he really screwed me.

My roommate at the time, this deadbeat piece of shit, helped him throw my shit away. He knew I was at the hospital with my ex, and still he was standing by as the landlord stole my shit and destroyed the rest of it. I took care of this asshole for almost 6 months, he didn't pay a DIME in rent, he was stealing my anxiety meds, he almost burned down the fucking apartment (He decided to take a bunch of my meds which he had stolen, and then make a pizza, he passed out on the couch and I woke up in a cloud of smoke, I walked into the kitchen where the smoke was 20x thicker, the fire alarm was blaring and he was still unconscious on the couch, literally 20 feet from the oven. I open the oven to find a charcoal briquette in the shape of a pizza. It was a perfect charcoal silhouette of the pizza, it was cool looking.) Apparently the story goes, while I was away from the house and he, my landlord had come into our place and searched my roommates room, he found 2 guns, a handgun and a shotgun, and stole them. He called my roommate and told him that he was keeping them until he helped destroy and steal my shit. (Apparently one of the guns was registered wrong or illegal in some fashion) So my roommate was right along side him throwing all my shit away, after I took care of literally his every need for 6+ months.. food, shelter, clothes etc..

The main story I've typed up, is merely just a summation, there's so many smaller details of other people taking advantage of me it's unbelievable.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on December 29, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Hey, you may be able to speak with some Denhac(Denver's hackerspace) members. Had been talking over IRC with them and it looks like someone could borrow you their couch. :/ That is the best option if you are desperate.
Also, here are some couches being offered(In denver):http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html (http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html)


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 29, 2010, 08:51:47 PM
Your story seems inconsistent.

Before you had to have a hotel because of your job. But now, you're up in Denver because you have some time off? So what's wrong with a shelter while you are waiting to get back to work?

How is what you are doing right now not "hustling" ? This is just begging instead?

So, you can't go to mom's house, but why can't mom send you $100 to get you to your paycheck ?
I told you man, they already stole my 3000$ tax return, they have no money either. I don't understand how there can be so many privileged kids in this world who don't understand what it's like to have parents who are completely broke.

I'm not concerned too much about where to stay during my time-off, my main issue is where I'll be staying when I have a job, I can go out and try and get cash right now for a hotel, by asking on the streets, and if I can't get help here, or somewhere else, that's what I'll have to do. As I also said, I have a running buddy, and we take care of eachother, so 20$ a person a night isn't TOO bad. Denver's an easier place to be homeless, there's more resources, and more places to get free food, not to mention the hotels are alot cheaper. Although I'm not familiar with the shelter up here, I hear it's quite bad, so if I were to stay at the shelter I'd head back down to boulder. I'm online asking for help to try and save up money so I don't have to dig into my paycheck when I get it, if I get really desperate, I'll get a payday loan and dig into that, but I fear if I do that, I'll put myself in a downward spiral of which I can't escape. If I HAVE to sleep outside, which I'd prefer not to, that's fine, it's just once I start back up work again, I need to make sure I can shower and have fresh clothing.

I'm not really "hustling" here, I guess you could call it begging.. I really don't like shelters, they're disgusting places filled with alcoholics and drug addicts, and I really want to use that as a last resort. Just because I'm in a bad situation doesn't mean I don't have pride, and I don't understand why I have to be judged because I like to keep respectable company. It seems if you're homeless you HAVE to live a certain way, you HAVE to goto the shelter, you HAVE to eat at the churches that'll feed you. If you try and ask for help finding alternate shelter, or asking for money for some real food people treat you like a selfish greedy bastard, when it's usually quite the other way around. I donno man... I think I'm gonna lose my job anyway, and I'm trying to find some work up here in Denver where I can actually get a job in my field, but I still need to keep a roof over my head.
The guy I'm rolling around with was in the army, he was deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a shame... He fought for our country, was actually in combat situations.. But once you're homeless, it's a difficult struggle.. People take for granted the fact that they have houses... It's a major resource almost necessary to get a decent job. Once you lose it, you're kinda stuck, especially without a car.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on December 29, 2010, 08:52:31 PM
Hey, you may be able to speak with some Denhac(Denver's hackerspace) members. Had been talking over IRC with them and it looks like someone could borrow you their couch. :/ That is the best option if you are desperate.
Also, here are some couches being offered(In denver):http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html (http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html)
They'd have to be able to take 2 people in, I'm not leaving my buddy behind. We take care of eachother.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 30, 2010, 12:03:46 AM
http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-forum/944109/poor_guy_needs_help.html

not much sympathy for you there...

you and your friend should both search couchsurfing for a bed. loads of people don't mind hosting there. but you must ask for 2 nights ONLY and then gtfo after those 2 nights.

i cant comment on craigslist or work... never really done those types of things (always had coding opportunities). although i've bummed it for fun a lot and don't agree with your assertion that sleeping rough is a full time job. Just go to a public toilet and wash under your armpits and face- then you won't smell like a stinky bum. Keep stuff in your locker (nice clothes for work) and wear one set of bummy (scavenged?) clothing. Seek out other cool people- hackers, anarchists, punks, squatters... you'll be fine around them since you're a programmer and they like those types.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on December 30, 2010, 05:08:10 AM
Hey, you may be able to speak with some Denhac(Denver's hackerspace) members. Had been talking over IRC with them and it looks like someone could borrow you their couch. :/ That is the best option if you are desperate.
Also, here are some couches being offered(In denver):http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html (http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html)
They'd have to be able to take 2 people in, I'm not leaving my buddy behind. We take care of eachother.

There are people allowing more than 1 guy in! Check it out! They are really cool people imho. :/
Also, genjix. Your plan work and now he may be able to afford a hotel/food. Someone claim he send him 50 bucks.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on December 30, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
fabianhjr what's you CS?

mine: http://www.couchsurfing.org/people/genjix

surf me if im ever hosting.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on December 30, 2010, 06:08:11 PM
Sorry, I don't cs. I was talking via IRC with some denhac hackers and dsockwell suggest it. :P

I had been researching it and might go cs in a near future. My parents won't allow it for the moment. Specially since I live in Mexico City and it has a fame. When I turn 18 and go to Europe/Asia I will be cs for sure!


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: lucky on December 31, 2010, 12:03:04 PM
This thread makes me so terribly glad not to be American :/


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on December 31, 2010, 03:14:24 PM
This thread makes me so terribly glad not to be American :/

How so?

People are rising to the challenge by helping him even though they don't know if he's lying or not.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 01, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
This thread makes me so terribly glad not to be American :/

How so?

People are rising to the challenge by helping him even though they don't know if he's lying or not.
I wish I was lying man, I really do.. I spent last night at the boulder shelter, got a grand total of 3 hours sleep.. Everyone's fucking sick and I spent the whole night listening to cacophony of coughing and spitting, but the alternative was worse. My friend gets paid on monday, so I'm looking forward to that, but I'm trying to get a hotel in the meantime... I've been staying at the "Royal Palace" out of denver.. It's 40$ a night with a military discount, I don't know what the weekly rates are..


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 01, 2011, 07:10:23 PM
Go CouchSurfing.

List of people with good reputation that accpet at least 2 people in Denver:
Nico Casias
Cindy and Andy Blair
JASSAA
Malgosia Clarke
Constance James

You can try with them.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 02, 2011, 10:12:48 AM
pfffft people with no references are the coolest in my experience imo. people are too paranoid of getting raped in todays safe world


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 02, 2011, 04:11:24 PM
lol, I can't tell from my experience since I have none. xD
I just got the first ones to pop up.(Which is ordered by references)

Genjix, could you get him a nice couch then? I am sure he would really appreciate it if he just had an address to go to.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 04, 2011, 07:38:36 PM
I don't hop on this forum much so I'd appreciate any links/help sent to my email instead.. waffers@gmail.com.. I'm still out in Denver, I was down in boulder, stayed at the shelter for a few nights, that's a difficult arrangement. I'm trying to get some coding work, but I don't even have a laptop. If anyone is familiar with any laptop donations in the Denver or Boulder area, please let me know.. Or even one better, if you personally have an old laptop with wifi that you wouldn't mind donating, please send me an email - waffers@gmail.com.

I know many of you may not need any coding work, (PHP/MySQL mainly) but I ask you to do me a personal favor.. Pass this link around http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/ew5il and see if any friends/family/acquaintances need some work done. As you all should know by now, I'm trying to get everything back from a myriad of people who've seemingly taken everything from me. But I'll not lay down and die, but at the same time, I still need some help here and there.. and I'm offering up my skills as a way for me to make money to stay alive.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: chaord on January 05, 2011, 12:18:29 AM
Pull -
To be perfectly honest, I have not read all the upstream posts, but I did skim them.  If you are in the Denver/Boulder area, which it sounds like you are, I'd be happy to meet with you in person and see if we can't get you back on your feet.  I am located in Denver.  Shoot me an email when you get a chance:  chaord.btc@gmail.com


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 05, 2011, 10:11:22 PM
You know I can say one thing about this community, and it's a beautiful thing. You guys really have the sense of community that is lacking from most other places. I just had lunch with one of your fellow forum members, he bought me lunch and we sat and talked politics. It wasn't the most eventful lunch, nor was much talked about, but what matters more than that is that is the kindness of strangers. We had lunch because I assume first of all, as most of you here want to know, am I real? And secondly, I assume, because if I am an honest man, he wanted to help. He did indeed help, and without even knowing if I'd be where I said I was.

Things like this restore my faith in humanity as a whole. Thanks Eric.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 06, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
Wow, I got lucky last night.. I met up with Eric and he took care of food for me for a little while, but after that I was really confused as to where I was gonna stay.. It was too late to get to the boulder shelter in time (you have to be there by 5:30-6 at the latest or you get turned away). So I went to this carneceria and was just sitting there talking to the employees (I think I was hoping I could talk one of them into taking me in). I went outside and asked a man for a cigarette, and he told me no and walked away.. a couple minutes later he walks up to me and asks if I'm homeless, to which I obviously reply yes. He tells me that it's too cold to sleep outside, and that he'll gladly give me a place to stay if I split the hotel with him. I payed him everything I have (6$) and he let me crash there last night. He's working full-time, and he's trying to get back on his feet too. So now I have someone that I can work with to keep myself afloat. It's gonna be 15-20$ a night from here on out, thank god!

It's weird how sometimes things just seem to go your way!


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Vinnie on January 06, 2011, 09:12:23 PM
What part of Denver are you in?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 07, 2011, 01:26:16 AM
best of luck man :] nice to hear your story.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 07, 2011, 02:14:50 AM
Nice to hear you are getting back on your feet. :) Best of luck to get everything back and more.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 07, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
What part of Denver are you in?
I've been staying in Aurora mainly, I only really ever goto the Denver library. I've been staying in this shitty motel off Colfax and Havana the last few nights.
I spent 4 hours this morning panhandling to only come up with 15$, which, with my friend, was barely enough to cover the motel. What fucking sucks though is I'm getting really sick of this guy I'm staying with.. he insists on only telling the hotel that it's just him to save money, so I'm sneaking in and sleeping on the floor, and the asshole won't even give me a fucking blanket. It beats the alternative, but I'm getting the feeling I'm being taken advantage of so he can make a few bucks.. I can get a hotel voucher on Sunday through the "Aurora warms the night" thingy they have, but it's only for the first 20 people, and I'm not sure what paperwork I need.

I feel like I'm so close to being out of this.. I have a job interview monday, I have another job opportunity wednesday.. I have so many outs it seems, but one of the jobs would be on-call, and I don't even have a phone.. I just need some help getting out of this hole, and I don't want to get robbed again or taken advantage of, it can only set me so far back, but still if I can't land either of these jobs, I'm gonna be stuck again.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 08, 2011, 01:07:15 AM
pull are you willing to stay on a couch? You WILL have blankets AND it is FREE as in beer. You just have to behave cool and be cool with the person that is GOING to receive you and agree to have shared or willing to share a couch in the future. Genjix, since I am underage, could you arrange him a couch?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 08, 2011, 08:49:39 AM
What can I do? The whole point of couchsurfing is that you setup a profile and dialog with people. It's not a free hotel service in people's houses where I can just go online, find him a bed and paste here for him to turn up 7pm tomorrow. He has to arrange it himself with the guests & establish trust, especially since I'm on the other side of the planet.

I did a quick search of Denver and found 1300 people, 529 offering places for the night.

There's this group he can post in:
http://www.couchsurfing.org/group.html?gid=3750

Additionally as I said before, you should find squatters and anarchists to crash with. If I was homeless tomorrow, I'd break into an abandoned building rather than blowing my cash on cheap crappy hotels. I'd pay a small motel $5 or so just to wash everyday and look presentable.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 08, 2011, 08:56:54 PM
Breaking and entering is a felony in the states.. Can't really afford that, and it's one of the crimes that'll make you pretty much unemployable if they do a background check, which most do. I started going through an old photo album today.. made me cry.. It's hard losing a family.. How do you tell a 2-year old that mommy would rather be a stripper/prostitute/cocaine addict then be her mother?

http://www.myspace.com/delusionaldrunkenhostess/photos/43769466#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A43769466%7D


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 08, 2011, 09:12:12 PM
I know people that squat in the USA. It most definitely is not criminal. I suggest you research it as there's no excuse for you not to squat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting#United_States_of_America

Contact this infocentre: http://squat.net/
Ask on these forums: http://www.squattheplanet.com/


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 08, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Breaking into an abandoned building is VERY illegal. Sometimes the cops will let you go with just a ticket, but that's if you're lucky. Sleeping outside is even illegal here, it's called "Illegal Camping." In the city of boulder you can sleep outside with just your clothes, but if you have anything at all with you, a blanket, pillow, tent.. it's "illegal camping."


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on January 08, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
Dude, go to an Elderhostel!

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&expIds=17050,25657,27951,27955&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=16&wrapid=tljp1294522712114022&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=elderhostel+denver&fb=1&gl=us&hq=elderhostel&hnear=Denver,+CO&cid=13144957087279728542

EDIT:

Sorry, that's for old people like me.  I should have said a youth hostel...

http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&expIds=17050,25657,27951,27955&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&cp=2&wrapid=tljp1294522712114033&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=youth+hostel+denver&fb=1&gl=us&hq=youth+hostel&hnear=Denver,+CO&cid=10771906068818582722


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 08, 2011, 09:51:15 PM
Breaking into an abandoned building is VERY illegal.

Bullshit.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/08/19/17608451.php

I gave you 4 links already saying the opposite.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on January 08, 2011, 09:53:21 PM
Breaking into an abandoned building is VERY illegal.

Bullshit.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2005/08/19/17608451.php

I gave you 4 links already saying the opposite.

Genjix, squating isn't illegal unto itself, but breaking into a closed property, even if you know that it is indeed abandoned, is still breaking and entering.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 08, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Hostels cost money, I believe the last one I looked at was 17$ a day.. but I'm not sure exactly how much it was... I have absolutely no money until I can land of these interviews.. I have about $0.32 all in pennies. Now I have to go panhandle again for tonight AND tomorrows hotel fare.. Since it's gonna blizzard tomorrow I won't be able to get anything for a few days. I wish I still had friends in this state.. :(

Gen: Read carefully: "In the United States, squatting laws vary from state to state and city to city. For the most part, it is rarely tolerated to any degree for long, particularly in cities.[60]"
ALSO:
"Squatting was once a legitimate way to claim land but is now a crime. Some towns still have laws permitting legal dwelling in abandoned building, usually under the conditions that it had been vacated a certain length of time or brought up to code. For the most part though, it is illegal. "

I know what the laws are in this city, and squatting is a guarenteed trespassing ticket. Cops can charge with several things.. trespassing, vagrancy, illegal activity on public property, breaking and entering, etc.. This are all charges which squatting can fall under if the cop feels like being a dick, and he most likely give you a ticket for trespassing and tell you to leave, which is around a 400$+ fine and possible jail time, if he feels like REALLY being a dick, he can give you a felony trespassing or breaking and entering, which are instantly arrestable offences and are almost guaranteed jail time.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 09, 2011, 08:47:49 AM
excuses. They rarely bother you if you're quiet:
http://squattheplanet.com/diy-die/squatting-alternative-housing/

post there and ask

It's the same in the UK. Breaking and entering is illegal, but they can never prove it. You claim the window was open or the door left ajar.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Local on January 09, 2011, 11:12:29 AM
You just need to get into the right frame of mind and there is nothing that a cop can/will do except maybe make you leave if the property owner insists.

I'm renting now, if I lose the contract, which I may have, I'd be in the exact same legal situation as you (provided that you are not caught in the act of breaking in). Living where you are not permitted is a civil matter and the ultimate penalty is eviction.

I've hardly thought about this at all, but there are plenty of things you can do to help yourself. Figure out the name of the owner, can't be that hard, maybe it's on the mailbox, maybe it's on the internet. Say that you have a cash deal with Jerry. Act like you live there, dust the place. If it seems stable maybe turn on the internet and pay the bill. Don't feel guilty, improve the place, don't damage it.

I'm not saying you should definitely do this, only that it isn't impossible or a terrible idea like you think. 


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on January 10, 2011, 12:29:50 AM
Figure out the name of the owner, can't be that hard, maybe it's on the mailbox, maybe it's on the internet. Say that you have a cash deal with Jerry. Act like you live there, dust the place. If it seems stable maybe turn on the internet and pay the bill. Don't feel guilty, improve the place, don't damage it. 

this gave me an even better idea.  Use the Internet to find out what the office of the REO office of a local bank chain.  With the economy as it is, they certainly have a few properties that are empty, for which they are responsible to an association of homeowners, and they are concerned about vandals stealing the copper lines.  Call the office and make an appointment, if you can.  Show up like you are going to a job interview.  Don't give them your whole sob story, just sum it up and then tell them that you are a responsible single adult with a job.  Tell them what they can do for them.  In exchange for written permission for living in a REO property of their choosing, you will maintain the grounds as well as provide the security that comes naturally with your presence.  I.E. you will call the cops on those who you suspect intend harm to the property, but will not actually put yourself in harm's way.  State that you expect a written agreement, but not compensation; and you are willing to vacate on short notice should the property need to be shown to a client.

the worst that can come of it is that they say no, and you are out the time and effort, but it could be far more productive than begging at a corner.  If your friend can clean up, and not scuttle the deal, bring him with you and offer to each squat on a different home or the same one, at the bank's preferences


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 10, 2011, 12:39:17 AM
hey, that is actually a really nice idea and it helps people. Kudos for you. :)


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 12, 2011, 02:30:17 AM
You just need to get into the right frame of mind and there is nothing that a cop can/will do except maybe make you leave if the property owner insists.

I'm renting now, if I lose the contract, which I may have, I'd be in the exact same legal situation as you (provided that you are not caught in the act of breaking in). Living where you are not permitted is a civil matter and the ultimate penalty is eviction.

I've hardly thought about this at all, but there are plenty of things you can do to help yourself. Figure out the name of the owner, can't be that hard, maybe it's on the mailbox, maybe it's on the internet. Say that you have a cash deal with Jerry. Act like you live there, dust the place. If it seems stable maybe turn on the internet and pay the bill. Don't feel guilty, improve the place, don't damage it.

I'm not saying you should definitely do this, only that it isn't impossible or a terrible idea like you think. 
You have a previous lease, and verifiable payments towards the landowner, which means they have to pursue eviction proceedings to forcibly remove you from the home. If you were not ever a legal resident they can remove you from the land IMMEDIATELY.

Why is everyone telling me to break the law? I want to live an honest legal life....


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Local on January 12, 2011, 03:23:20 AM
 
You have a previous lease, and verifiable payments towards the landowner, which means they have to pursue eviction proceedings to forcibly remove you from the home. If you were not ever a legal resident they can remove you from the land IMMEDIATELY.

Why is everyone telling me to break the law? I want to live an honest legal life....
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There is no way to tell a legal resident from an illegal one without a hearing and it would be a civil hearing. If you didn't even show you would get a default judgement to vacate and that would be all. I don't suddenly become an illegal occupant if my toddler eats my lease. And you aren't automatically an illegal just because you can't produce a copy.

You can't live a legal life anyway, the law is enormous, contradictory, and ambiguous.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 12, 2011, 09:38:06 PM

There is no way to tell a legal resident from an illegal one without a hearing and it would be a civil hearing. If you didn't even show you would get a default judgement to vacate and that would be all. I don't suddenly become an illegal occupant if my toddler eats my lease. And you aren't automatically an illegal just because you can't produce a copy.

You can't live a legal life anyway, the law is enormous, contradictory, and ambiguous.
Then how does anyone ever get a breaking and entering charge? Or trespassing for that matter? I think there is a standard of judgment where it's the responding officer's determination whether or not it is actually a civil issue. Trespassing as well as breaking and entering are criminal charges, and if they can determine that you committed a criminal act, then civil court is a moot point. I know that you can't just break into a place, squat, and expect to have it be a civil issue. No police officer in this state will allow you to squat, and then force the landowner to file eviction proceedings.

I know what you're talking about as far as screwing over a landlord, moving into a place, and then forcing the landlord to evict you. But on the same coin, the landlord can break into your place and rob you of everything you own, and that would ALSO be a civil issue.. if you piss someone off, especially a landowner of who's property you reside on, they're capable of screwing you over in just the same method you did them.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Local on January 12, 2011, 09:50:15 PM

There is no way to tell a legal resident from an illegal one without a hearing and it would be a civil hearing. If you didn't even show you would get a default judgement to vacate and that would be all. I don't suddenly become an illegal occupant if my toddler eats my lease. And you aren't automatically an illegal just because you can't produce a copy.

You can't live a legal life anyway, the law is enormous, contradictory, and ambiguous.
Then how does anyone ever get a breaking and entering charge? Or trespassing for that matter? I think there is a standard of judgment where it's the responding officer's determination whether or not it is actually a civil issue. Trespassing as well as breaking and entering are criminal charges, and if they can determine that you committed a criminal act, then civil court is a moot point. I know that you can't just break into a place, squat, and expect to have it be a civil issue. No police officer in this state will allow you to squat, and then force the landowner to file eviction proceedings.

I know what you're talking about as far as screwing over a landlord, moving into a place, and then forcing the landlord to evict you. But on the same coin, the landlord can break into your place and rob you of everything you own, and that would ALSO be a civil issue.. if you piss someone off, especially a landowner of who's property you reside on, they're capable of screwing you over in just the same method you did them.

That's right. 

Breaking in is the time you are at risk. Don't damage anything and repair it immediately if you do. Criminal don't dust houses they break into, criminals don't make themselves a cup of tea.

Don't piss the owner off, improve the place and don't be a jerk if the owner comes around. If he does come, don't act guilty, don't panic. Say the truth, you've been living here, you've been maintaining the place. Ask does he need the property vacated now or should you keep maintaining it?



Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on January 13, 2011, 08:34:03 PM
or find a bunch of other homeless dudes, get a copy of the squatters manual, find an abandoned building (the longer it's been empty, the better), barricade yourselfs in, fix up the place & treat it like your home.

people do this all the time. it's not criminal. they can never prove that you've broken in- you normally say the backdoor was already open and you walked in.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2011, 02:30:51 AM
I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nbl78cj5vM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nbl78cj5vM)



Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 29, 2011, 02:19:44 AM
OMFG, I FUCKING HATE PEOPLE.... So I posted some will code shit on craigslist, explaining my situation, and a resume kinda.. And I get this email from this chick who apparently needs 11 laptops reformatted..

"Hello,

Good day and how are you and family .I got your contact and i was just
checking if you will be available to
repair and install some applications on 11 (ELEVEN) PC ."
"Hello ,

How you doing?

Thanks for you quick response,I have some Hp PCs(Intel Pentium IV)
since we currently have a major breakdown on most of our systems and I
thought it was best to have a general upgrade and maintenance.(I will
be providing the software needed).Below are the things needed to be
done one on each laptops:

1 Format Hard Drive
2 Install Win Xp with Service Pack 2
3 Microsoft Office Package
4 AVG Virus Software (Free Lifetime Updates )
5 Adobe Acrobat
6 Laptop Cleaning of the keyboard, screen and other case.
7 Diagnostics of the entire system after to check hard, CD Rom, floppy,
etc.

I will like You to know that my mode of payment is by US certified
check mailed and address to you from my employer company since I am
presently on a business workshop in Panama city,South American and i
want you to know that i will handle the shipment myself since i have a
shipper from the state here that will bring the laptops to your
place,and will come pick them up as soon as you are done with them.

I should have make this a phone order but i have a network problem of
where i am and my shipper will be coming with the necessary Software
for the installations of the Computers with both the Operating
System,Microsoft Office and the Anti-virus for each computers .

However,get back to me with your last asking price for the 11{ELEVEN} PC.
I await your urgent response so that i can put the arrangement in
order.


Thanks and hope to read from you soon."


After going through all this trouble, I thought it was legitimate, I quoted her 90$ a machine, so 990$ total.

"I must confess I'm comfortable with the cost and its quite reasonable
 and affordable and also,i hope i can trust you that to do a good job."



And then I get this email, which broke my heart.


"Hello Casey,
     Sorry for not getting back to you since. It's just that am busy. However, i just receive an update from my client that the payment will be delivered to you today via Usps and here is the Usps tracking# EO 988 148 502 US.

 I want you to proceed to your bank immediately you get the payment to get the payment deposited for 24hrs.

As soon as you get the payment withdrawn ,i will want you to proceed to the nearest western union outlet and get the Balance sent after you deduct your own payment from the total payment sent to you by my client and get the rest money sent to the Shipper. And as soon as you make that done i will let the Shipper contact you and make the arrangement of date and time the Pcs will be delivered to you. Pls make sure you send the Money to the Shipper before Wednesday so that the Shipper can come over to meet you.

Below is the Shipper information to remit the rest of the fund to via western union.
=
Name: Yvette Proctor
Address: 1901 E 1st St
City: Detroit
State: Michigan
Zip Code: 48234


Please do that immediately so that my Shipper can come over to meet you in the state.

As soon as you get the money sent i will want you to get back to me with this information's.

1.The MTCN ( 10digits number) on the Western Union  receipt
2.Sender's name and address used in sending the money
3.Actual Amount sent.
 
Moreover,you can go on to the www.westernunion.com/us to check for the nearest location to send the money to the Shipper.
 

Hope to read from you Soon.
Cheers !
Vannessa."

I was betting so much on this job, it would easily been enough to get an apartment, I actually setup a showing for a place I was gonna get. One bdrm 650sq.ft. for 560 a mo. with a 50$ security deposit, but no it's all bullshit! GOD DAMNIT!

This appears to be a new elaborate twist on the Nigerian lottery schemes. She sent me a check for 3250, dated from the 14th of December. I didn't even start talking to her until January. It's a completely fraudulent cashier's check.. The ink is running, and it appears to be printed crooked. I called the bank it's alleged to be from, and the routing number isn't attached to any account.

I shouldn't have put my eggs all in the same basket, but I only had one egg. :(

Now, I'm fucking back to square one, after she wasted 2 weeks of my time.. I assumed the job was legitimate, so I didn't bother looking for more gigs. My plan was to do this job, get a place, and some breathing room. Then get a shitty telemarketing gig to keep my head above water until I could land another contract gig..

I'm gonna step in front of a fucking bus... I'm back to sleeping in the back of my friends car.. I don't know what to do anymore. Every single time I take one step forward a mac truck slams me 4 miles back.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 29, 2011, 02:59:47 AM
Hey if of something helps, not all people is like that. Why didn't you hold the equipment until the payment was done? :/ I am sure each is worth at least 200.

So, do you have a job yet? How is telemarketing going?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Bimmerhead on January 29, 2011, 07:44:44 PM

this gave me an even better idea.  Use the Internet to find out what the office of the REO office of a local bank chain.  With the economy as it is, they certainly have a few properties that are empty, for which they are responsible to an association of homeowners, and they are concerned about vandals stealing the copper lines.  Call the office and make an appointment, if you can.  Show up like you are going to a job interview.  Don't give them your whole sob story, just sum it up and then tell them that you are a responsible single adult with a job.  Tell them what they can do for them.  In exchange for written permission for living in a REO property of their choosing, you will maintain the grounds as well as provide the security that comes naturally with your presence.  I.E. you will call the cops on those who you suspect intend harm to the property, but will not actually put yourself in harm's way.  State that you expect a written agreement, but not compensation; and you are willing to vacate on short notice should the property need to be shown to a client.

the worst that can come of it is that they say no, and you are out the time and effort, but it could be far more productive than begging at a corner.  If your friend can clean up, and not scuttle the deal, bring him with you and offer to each squat on a different home or the same one, at the bank's preferences

If this actually worked, he could end up being some kind of cable news meme and pretty soon people all over the US would be offering their housesitting services to banks.

This is a really interesting idea.  I noticed there was no response to it.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 30, 2011, 03:32:13 AM
Hey if of something helps, not all people is like that. Why didn't you hold the equipment until the payment was done? :/ I am sure each is worth at least 200.

So, do you have a job yet? How is telemarketing going?


There are no laptops, it's all bullshit. No, no telemarketing yet. I'm waiting for someone to come along and extend their home to me for a few weeks. It doesn't seem like much to ask, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen.

I'm 30$ short for my hotel tonight, and I had a security guard threaten to put me in handcuffs for panhandling.. Back to the streets I go. I'll be scraping the gutters of colfax if you need me.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: joe on January 31, 2011, 01:34:26 AM
I'm gonna step in front of a fucking bus... I'm back to sleeping in the back of my friends car.. I don't know what to do anymore. Every single time I take one step forward a mac truck slams me 4 miles back.

Con artist. I see these lies every day. Can an admin please get this guy off the forum? Tired of this thread keeps popping up and people keep feeding him with money and pity he doesn't deserve.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 31, 2011, 02:34:32 AM
I'm gonna step in front of a fucking bus... I'm back to sleeping in the back of my friends car.. I don't know what to do anymore. Every single time I take one step forward a mac truck slams me 4 miles back.

Con artist. I see these lies every day. Can an admin please get this guy off the forum? Tired of this thread keeps popping up and people keep feeding him with money and pity he doesn't deserve.

See, what saddens me is that this IS my life, and I have people like you who assume the world is full of evil selfish people. If you really think I'm a "con-artist," talk to Eric. I actually met up with him a few weeks back here in Denver. He knows I'm for real, and I had never met him before in my life. I don't care if you don't believe me. Only two people from this forum have helped me out at all, and one was Eric. He got me a 50$ McDonald's gift card.

"Pity he doesn't deserve"? I don't want pity, but sometimes it's nice to have someone to talk to. I've put my entire life out here on the line, for everyone to read.. and you come along and assume you know everything about everything. You don't even insinuate that you're making an assumption. You're right, completely right, 100%, and you instantly believe that everyone else should be as untrusting and as bitter as you. After that post I made last night, I wandered over to a friends house to see if I could stay there just for the night. If I can't get together money for a hotel (I have 0$ income from this forum, and as I previously stated, I panhandle 99.9% of the time to get food/shelter/blankets) I leave enough time to get back to Longmont so I can sleep in my friends car. Well, my supposed friend went to boulder to pick up some money for a hotel, and told me to wait for him here in Aurora. I spent 7 hours waiting at the bus stop and he never came. I wasn't able to get back to longmont as the buses stopped running for the night. So I went to a different friends house to see if I could stay there, which unfortunately caused an argument between him and his girlfriend.

I asked him for a blanket and he grabbed one out of the closet, which looked to me to be lining the floor beneath the litter boxes. "Hey man, it may smell like cat piss, but it's better than nothing right?" Ugh.. I suppose so. I walked as far as I could and found a fenced off trash compactor thing.. Like one of those dumpster trash compactors. I laid down my piss covered blanket, and got a few hours rest before I woke up shivering. I think that's a feeling that most people don't really know. To wake up chilled to the bone.. It's a terrible feeling, and it usually takes an hour or two to stop shivering. When it happens, you're pretty much screwed, because it means whatever you're using for warmth obviously isn't good enough. You're too cold to try to go somewhere to find better shelter or another blanket/cardboard. Not to mention it's usually 2-4am when it gets cold enough to wake you up.

If you think I'm here to milk the bitcoin community, you're sorely mistaken. I think you have some sort of idea that people are throwing me hundreds of dollars on a weekly basis, nowhere near the case. The reason I keep coming back to this forum, and no others, is because this is truly a community. I've had A LOT of helpful advice, and plenty of kind words from people who don't even know me. As I said as well, I'm always up to meet people in person and share my story/answer questions.

Why did you choose to quote my "Step in front of a bus" line? I suppose to you it seems similar to one of the supposedly suicidal girlfriends you once had. Some sort of empty line meant for attention, and maybe it is partially an expression of angst. I've been on the streets for almost two years now, and it's beating the shit out of me. I'm 21.... 21... and I really have nothing. The only friends I have, I can't count on them to be where they say they're gonna be, let alone something beneficial.

I'm an honest man, and I despise liars. I understand where your mistrust comes from. It's a dog-eat-dog world, where everyone's trying to cut eachother's throats just to get ahead. I won't steal from anyone, and the only lying I do is sometimes I'll tell people I need food when really I'm trying to get a hotel. I don't get why shelter is a much lesser necessity. Also, I don't understand why if you're homeless you're automatically supposed to BE homeless. You HAVE to stay at the shelter, and frequent soup kitchens. I've been told I act like I'm too good for shelters, and it's partially right. Shelter's are disgusting places, even if the facility is nice. The Boulder shelter has a fantastic facility, but as with everything in this world, humans destroy it. It's difficult to sleep in a dorm-room setting with 130 other people, at least 20 of which are shitfaced drunk talking extraordinarily loud. The others are coughing and hacking all night, audibly spitting on the floor. Lights turn on at 5:30am, and you have to leave by 7am. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I don't see how a shelter will benefit me. No one there has any respect for anyone else.. I won't shower there. Last time a tried someone had shit on the floor. If you're homeless you're expected to fall into the homeless life, or rather the socially acceptable constructed homeless life. The few people I personally know who live that life have no aspirations.. they spend their lives between jail, detox, and the shelter... and I believe such is the way the shelter is constructed.

Once you start LIVING there, and calling it home. At least half of your worries are taken care of. You have a place to sleep, shower, and eat. What bothers me though, is that you do nothing to earn your own way. You can live at the shelter without contributing a damn thing to anything or anyone. You don't have to work, and you can fall into a routine very similar to a jail lifestyle.. Get there, eat, watch TV, goto sleep, wake up, eat, watch TV, leave, rinse and repeat....

To be happy, I need to earn my own way. I know most of you will say panhandling isn't work. It's lazy, and pathetic. I will agree that it's pathetic, often times a simple harsh word will make me cry, not because I'm weak (I don't consider myself to be), but you're really putting yourself out there. You're entirely at the mercy of the person you're talking to. People, not dissimilar from you, can be vicious, vile, and completely unsympathetic. They'll judge you within 5 seconds, and determine that you don't even deserve their time, let alone a bit of food. I never "fly a sign" as I do consider that lazy, and entirely more deceptive. Anytime you see someone flying a sign that says "I'm hungry" or "Will work for food" I can almost 100% assure you that it's for cigarettes or alcohol. If one really wants food, you can just go outside a restaurant and ask for leftovers, it usually only takes about 10-15 minutes max.
If anyone here thinks that panhandling is easy, I dare you to try it for one hour. Go out and put yourself on the line, ask for help. You'll find that people will step on your heart and cut off your balls so-to-speak.

If you'd have read all of my posts, you'd have a pretty sure idea that I'm not lying. If you want evidence as to anything you think I'm lying about, I assure you I can produce it. I don't think I'll waste my time doing so though, because I really don't care what you think. I'm not here to prove something, as I don't need to. I'm here to get a few kind words, have a place to vent, and to transcribe my day-to-day struggle. If it doesn't interest you, and you're completely unsympathetic, then don't bother reading it. No one asked you to anyway.

I don't know, is anyone here actually interested in this lifestyle? The struggles of a distraught economy? The alleged "bottom of the barrel"? I was thinking about writing about the past few years in a more biography style. I just wanna know if it'd be worth my time, if anyone would be interested to read it?

I'd like to know if anyone would be interested in reading a autobiography. Please respond with yes/no.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2011, 02:40:45 AM
Id be interested.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Garrett Burgwardt on January 31, 2011, 02:47:27 AM
I'd be interested in a journal style thread where you write about your day, how you ended up where you are now, etc, with a donation address at the bottom. You seem to be a good writer and whether you're lying or not is irrelevant if you're producing something interesting to read  :)

Probably would be a good idea make a new thread if you were to do something like that, this one is cluttered.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on January 31, 2011, 03:50:36 AM
I'd be interested in a journal style thread where you write about your day, how you ended up where you are now, etc, with a donation address at the bottom. You seem to be a good writer and whether you're lying or not is irrelevant if you're producing something interesting to read  :)

Probably would be a good idea make a new thread if you were to do something like that, this one is cluttered.

I support the notion, I can set you a blog if you want or you can use blogger. Then just put it in your signature and keep us updated in the threat. If you can get a camera(video or photos) it would be even better. :)


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: joe on January 31, 2011, 07:39:45 AM
I'm here to get a few kind words, have a place to vent, and to transcribe my day-to-day struggle.

That's all I wanted out of you. An admission that you're back on your feet, and you're just here to talk about your day to day life. You lie again, I'll kick your teeth in. You have shelter, you have food, you have government checks. Try to climb your way up the ladder to a decent job so you can pull yourself out of a bad spot. Your endless "bad coincidences" are impossible. That's why I let this thread go on this long before I laid you out. A lot of these guys come from wealthy communities and never encountered beggars or con artists before, which is why this thread went on so long. As long as the community understands that you're just here to talk about your life and for the attention, and you're not here for "food money", it's OK.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on January 31, 2011, 09:12:32 AM
I'm here to get a few kind words, have a place to vent, and to transcribe my day-to-day struggle.

That's all I wanted out of you. An admission that you're back on your feet, and you're just here to talk about your day to day life. You lie again, I'll kick your teeth in. You have shelter, you have food, you have government checks. Try to climb your way up the ladder to a decent job so you can pull yourself out of a bad spot. Your endless "bad coincidences" are impossible. That's why I let this thread go on this long before I laid you out. A lot of these guys come from wealthy communities and never encountered beggars or con artists before, which is why this thread went on so long. As long as the community understands that you're just here to talk about your life and for the attention, and you're not here for "food money", it's OK.

I also have a unicorn that shits butterflies and rainbows. What admission? I'm not on my feet, I'm sleeping the back of a Durango, and as I said, there are NO work programs for single males in Colorado. In fact I think the only government checks are SSDI, SS survivors' benefits, TANF, and SSI. I don't get government checks, I get 175$ a month in food stamps, and without a kitchen it's very hard to make that last more than 2 weeks, those don't get refilled until the 5th of Feb either, so I've got a little bit until I get them again.

I do have some potential income in about a month. I'm working on a website for local businesses here in Aurora. Unfortunately, it's 3-4 weeks before my boss meets with his investors in LA, and until then there's simply no money. He was able to lend me a Gateway Solo 1450 laptop, so I can work wherever I'm at, but that's really the only thing I have going for me right now. If he can't get any investors on board, I'm back to square 0 again.

I'm glad you're here to protect the naive rich people, but I assure you, they're a hell of alot smarter than you give them credit for. Everyone has encountered a "beggar," and you really shouldn't act like you're the most intelligent person in the world. Superman for the "wealthy communities" as it were. Rich people are very good at protecting their money, that's why they're rich. You seem to think I'm making a shit ton of money here, and I'd like everyone who HASN'T given me money to clearly state it, so you can realize that only a very small amount of people from here have helped me with anything, I think a total of 4 over about a months time. I am VERY grateful for those who have, I was able to get a hotel for a night, which is really nice. Being able to shower, watch TV, and sleep in your own bed at least until morning is a luxury most take for granted. I actually really need deodorant come to think of it, next time I get some extra cash I'll grab some.

I'd honestly prefer if there was anyone around the Denver/Aurora area who could, instead of money, help me out with a few things: hygiene items, some clothes, a backpack, and a couple blankets. I suppose I could ask you guys to mail them to me, but I'd be afraid that Joe would poison me if I were to announce a friend's mailing address.


 I met with a man named Eric from this forum a few weeks back, and he bought me a 50$ gift cert. to McDonald's. That was amazingly kind. It's really draining to have to beg for food everytime you need to eat.

If you're making up fairy-tales for me, why couldn't you have done better than government checks? Why couldn't I be a MILLIONAIRE!

As I said, I DON'T CARE if you believe me or not. These "coincidences" as you call them are far too real for me to even make up. Why would I bother making up a shitload of bullshit facts? You can believe what you choose to believe, as I'm sure you will.

I'm here for as much help as anyone is willing to offer, hence "I have nowhere else to turn." And for the most part it's been advice and kind words. I've had alot of people offering to keep me in their prayers, and even though I'm not christian, it means alot to me. I'm glad there are caring considerate people out there. People who can see past their own existence and take some time out of their day to wish well for a stranger.

Yes, Joe, those pictures of my family are fake too! YOU GOT ME! Would you like some forged court documents too? Perhaps I should hack the Adam's county jail website and add a fake entry for my ex who got arrested for prostitution. Or why bother, truth is always stranger than fiction.

I have no problem with you calling me a liar, but next time, please have a shred of evidence. Hollow accusations and attempted martyrdom may seem like a valiant and sincere enough front, but we live in a scientific age, dependent upon proof and research, and you have not done yours.

I invented the internet, and I discovered gravity. Neil Armstrong actually yanked the microphone out of my hand, my speech was way better, but the space termites ate it.

Now, back to the journal idea... Here's what I have so far..

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It's 4am, at least I think. I awake to the frozen breath of the night. I'm shaking, shivering. Can't stop shivering. I thought this blanket would be enough, I miscalculated. I contemplate where to find cardboard, but my teeth rattling stop my thoughts dead in their tracks. I'll just curl up, that'll work.

I think about my girls. My daughter, my wife. At least she's taken care of. I worry about Ali. She hurt me, but I love her too much. She's warm and safe in jail at least. I'm tired, but cold. I pray for the sun. I pray for warmth. I manage to fold the blanket a few times to put distance between me and the stone beneath me. This blanket reeks of piss. Cat piss. He warned me, but it's better than nothing at all. Each breath I take feels like ethanol in my lungs. That pungent spray that can only come from a testicle bearing feline. I pull my lighter from my pocket, and I thank the universe for combustion. If I keep it lit for a little while it'll warm me up. I always worry the synthetic fibers will smolder like burning plastic, a sort of home-made napalm clinging to everything it touches. I take deep breaths so slow the panting. I manage to stop my jaw from shaking. Deep breaths in a piss soaked blanket.

"I wanna be a fireman when I grow up!" Well, kid, chances are your dreams will fail you, and the reality that is life will destroy what you call hope. I call it wilfull deceit. "I wanna huff cat piss when I grow up!" How did I get here? It all seems like it happened so fast. I wish I had some elaborate sob story about how I had it all. Truth is, I never did. Just like the rest of this habitat, I was just balancing my debt right. My house of cards held long enough, but the biting winter winds blew it over, as my cards circled in a tornado's pattern. The only one left, the joker.

I awake to the sunlight reflecting off the blue industrial trash compactor. It's fenced off so I assumed it'd shelter me from the wind and prying eyes. I stuff the blanket under it, and my DVD's, I've scratched them enough already. I'll come back for them later. I make my way to the gas station, gotta try and find Mike. Wow, is that Lloyd? Hah! We were in jail together, he's fucking crazy, felony eluding. I guess his plan to brand himself crazy and unmedicated worked. I tell him about Ali, he asks if "I fucked it up again." Did I? Was this my fault? Probably. I borrow two bucks and head towards the bus stop, another day.

I wonder, how much of this could I have prevented? How many lives have I now destroyed? The naivity of youth fades quickly. Soon you realize how much you actually impact others. I hope Lily doesn't hate me. I'll bet she thinks I abandoned her. Maybe I did. Maybe I could have stopped this. I'll get you back Lily. I promise.

Ali's bail is 625$. Three charges, three counties. She'll be in there for a while. Two of them total 125$. Maybe I can post those two, and she can resolve the third.. She's a good girlfriend, while she's yours. Too bad it's like handling a fish. Lose your grip and she's gone, back into the merky water. You know not where she's headed. I know I love her, I've never been content with one woman. Always restless, needing more. All I want is more of her. She's dirty and grimey. She appears innocent, but she's anything but. Four foot eight, 115 pounds. Tiny little thing. I love having a tiny woman. My last girl was about 175. There's nothing like fucking a tiny little thing. Pounding her doggy-style, and with one well-executed maneuver, she's on her back. Throw her legs into the headboard and keep it going. Never losing penetration.

She's a sex goddess. Eager to try anything at any time, and that innocent smile when she's looks up while holding my cock. "Do you like that baby?" I love everything you do to me. The firsts she's given me would surpass this text in length. And I suppose that's love, how many firsts you're willing to give eachother: First kiss, first fuck, first child, first true love. I gotta get her out.

I make my way to Colfax and Mississipi. My hunger pains me. I eat when I can, or rather when panhandling doesn't make me sick to my stomach. Freddy's is open, I'll get someone to buy me a burger. Ketchup and Mayo, nothing better on well-prepared beef.

It may be a little graphic for some, but I like the bukowski style.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 01, 2011, 12:27:02 AM
I don't assume anything about anyone's background, unless they give me reason to think so, and my statement was entirely generalized. Not just for this community. I honestly do wonder how many people have woken up purely because of cold, having too low of an internal temperature. It's something I'd never experienced before. That piss covered blanket was apparently 80$, and he insists I bring it back to him.

Where exactly am I supposed to store all this cookware? I don't have a "camp," and I don't want to disrespect my friends car by turning it into a hobo palace. I have a backpack that fits a few articles of clothing, and now my laptop, and that's heavy enough as-is. I try to eat healthy, believe it or not. Living off grain-based products is hardly nutritional. I don't know if it's just you trying to be helpful, or if it's back to the homeless stereotype. As I've said, it seems as though if you're homeless the "beggars can't be choosers" cliche turns to the only socially-acceptable way to live. You MUST live off ramen, you MUST stay at the shelter, otherwise everyone treats you as-if you're willfully greedy, or just disrespectful.

One thing I don't get, is what's with all the hostility towards me? Did I do anyone here any wrong? I stated my predicament, and everyone has taken it upon themselves to insult me, call me a liar, and insist I must live their suggested way. Have I forced my opinions on anyone else here? Have I done anything to hurt anyone here?

It's this kind of attitude that makes me question the humanity of people. I came here out of a suggestion from a friend. He told me it might be a decent place to ask for help. Granted, I've met some very wonderful people here, people who still have an ounce of trust left in them, but unfortunately the ratio is tilted far in the favor of the skeptics. Perhaps it's prudent to stay skeptical, perhaps you should still question if you feel the need, but why attack me? I don't know if you've ever dealt with a con-artist, but they tend to follow the pattern of "smash-and-grab." They get what they want, and then bail.

I just want to know what I've done so wrong to deserve to be treated like scum? This is the predicament of all homeless, you're considered scum. You're lazy, you're deceitful, you're probably an alcoholic. You don't deserve anything from anyone, and anyone who helps you must be naive. This is why I suggest you all panhandle for 2 hours.. See how people treat you, and maybe you'll treat someone else with a little more respect next time. I don't care if it's me you treat better or not. I can sympathize with anyone struggling, and when I have a few extra bucks, and someone asks me for change. I'll give them all I can afford to part with, even though I'm in the same situation.

Once again I ask, what did I do to those who feel the need to threaten and insult me? Is it simply distrust? Or do you generally despise the homeless? Perhaps you see those who ask for help as weak, and like the schoolyard playground, they must be weeded out by ridicule and threats of violence. Maybe it's a past memory of pain inflicted by trusting the untrustworthy? Whatever it is, it's probably poorly founded, as I believe that all humans are truly decent people. Even the murderer has family who loves him, and I don't believe anyone could love someone they know well who is truly 100% evil.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 01, 2011, 12:41:30 AM
I suggest you try to earn bitcoins from bitcoiner in the mean time. If you help the economy out, we fork over some bitcoin. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. However, turning them into dollars would be a difficult thing. So, if there are any local bitcoiners...maybe you could ask them to buy your bitcoin and give you dollars.

Don't ask me for jobs though, I am very hard to convince to pry bitcoin over.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 01, 2011, 01:20:45 AM
I suggest you try to earn bitcoins from bitcoiner in the mean time. If you help the economy out, we fork over some bitcoin. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. However, turning them into dollars would be a difficult thing. So, if there are any local bitcoiners...maybe you could ask them to buy your bitcoin and give you dollars.

Don't ask me for jobs though, I am very hard to convince to pry bitcoin over.
My wallet.dat file is on my friends laptop, and he moved to california. So if anyone did send me bitcoins, they're lost until I manage to talk him into finding the file and sending it to me, but he's extraordinarily lazy. I just installed it again.. YOUR BITCOIN ADDRESS: 1HDB2X83qCxePRhgocbKVpxZW9RPzADrMz

Everyone keeps telling me that bitcoins are still essentially worthless though? As far as an alternative to cash at this stage.

Is there anyway to merge my address books and wallet.dat files?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 01, 2011, 01:37:01 AM
Everyone keeps telling me that bitcoins are still essentially worthless though? As far as an alternative to cash at this stage.

Not that's it worthless. It's just hard to exchange into dollars.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on February 02, 2011, 01:40:47 PM
@david, take a picture uploadit to imageshack or something and post it here? I would be really interested in your accomplishment and effort to explain a clear point.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
This is why I suggest you all panhandle for 2 hours.. See how people treat you, and maybe you'll treat someone else with a little more respect next time.

I would expect nothing more than disrespect, begging for money with no productive work in exchange. You're capable of valuable work. I can tell just by that post. There is no reason why you can't sustain yourself.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 02, 2011, 08:52:21 PM
This is why I suggest you all panhandle for 2 hours.. See how people treat you, and maybe you'll treat someone else with a little more respect next time.

I would expect nothing more than disrespect, begging for money with no productive work in exchange. You're capable of valuable work. I can tell just by that post. There is no reason why you can't sustain yourself.
Indeed, but for some reason my craiglist posts tender nothing. The only thing I got was that fake cashier's check. I've had alot of replies for web design work, but when I reply, no one gets back to me. I don't know exactly where to advertise my resume in the non-digital world. You're correct, I am sustaining myself, but that's not enough. I need more than just to survive.

Why would you expect nothing other than disrespect? That's what bothers me, what are you supposed to do when you are genuinely hungry or perhaps someone stole your shoes (I've had it happen)? If you have no one that can help you to begin with, where do you turn? Should you spend hours on end trying to track down some charitable organization that might be able to get you some sneakers? Doesn't it seem more prudent to stand outside a foot-locker barefoot and ask a fellow human being if he'd mind buying you the cheapest pair of shoes so you don't destroy your feet?

And why is it assumed that you should be disrespected for such an act? To me it seems like the most logical and quickest way to fulfill your needs. When another human being is genuinely in need, why is disrespect an assumed and apparently reasonable response? Unemployment is still 10%, and in Colorado unemployment rose 1.5% from Dec 2009 to Dec 2010. Which shows that jobs are harder to get, and apparently getting harder to maintain.

This means that one out of every 10 people, can't afford their own way. I know the majority of them rely on family to help sustain until they rebound.
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``At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,'' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, ``it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.''

``Are there no prisons?'' asked Scrooge.

``Plenty of prisons,'' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

``And the Union workhouses?'' demanded Scrooge. ``Are they still in operation?''

``They are. Still,'' returned the gentleman, `` I wish I could say they were not.''

``The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?'' said Scrooge.

``Both very busy, sir.''

``Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,'' said Scrooge. ``I'm very glad to hear it.''

``Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,'' returned the gentleman, ``a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?''

``Nothing!'' Scrooge replied.

``You wish to be anonymous?''

``I wish to be left alone,'' said Scrooge. ``Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned: they cost enough: and those who are badly off must go there.''

``Many can't go there; and many would rather die.''

``If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, ``they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

Have we all forgotten the lessons we were taught as children? Or perhaps it was only meant to be superficial. Those of us who weeped at the death of Tiny Tim, quickly grew hardened of heart and abandoned the ideas of charity and lending a helping hand to another.

I find it personally disgusting that I have to sit here and defend the concept of charity. That almost all of you have the nerve to suggest that everyone need make their own way without assistance, and those who can't (regardless of the reason why they can't) need not waste the air you breathe. Most of you seem to expect that there's some other entity that has the duty to help people, but churches have limited funding, and social security is withering away to nothing. Work programs don't exist for individuals, and if they were to be subsidized there would be a mass-protest chastising Obama for his "nazi-like socialist reforms." So how do we win as a society? With this attitude, I feel we don't. Everyone complains about illegal immigration as an issue due to the fact that "jobs are being taken." And as a country we have enough clandestine problems we need to resolve before we take care of foreign citizens, but how are we taking care of our own citizens? 10% unemployment.. with no work programs an minimal financial assistance.

Yet it's assumed that you should be disrespected when you ask for help.. It doesn't logically add up. Yet, I am the target of aggression and angst. I am apparently everything that's wrong with this world. The homeless, the "beggar," the poverty stricken, the man who asks for help.... I am the evil one because I ask for help, but those who insist the poor need not anything from anyone, and must accept the soup kitchens and shelters as a way of life, and accept no other assistance. These are the socially acceptable ones, and I'm the bad guy. If it helps you sleep at night knowing that there's a terrible HOMELESS BEGGAR in your midst, as opposed the man who steps over a homeless vet (who fought for our freedom when you were a child) and tells him to get a job..


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2011, 11:14:34 PM
Poverty is the default human condition. If there is still land to be fed off and matter to be refined, there is no reason why a man can't find his own way unless he his born without hands, legs that cannot carry or a mind without the ability to reason.

Of course, I am only a child, even so I have found employment easily; even with this cursed minimum wage.

Anyways, maybe there is something that I cannot see.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 03, 2011, 04:54:28 AM
Poverty is the default human condition. If there is still land to be fed off and matter to be refined, there is no reason why a man can't find his own way unless he his born without hands, legs that cannot carry or a mind without the ability to reason.

Of course, I am only a child even so I have found employment relatively easily even with this cursed minimum wage. Maybe there is something that I cannot see.

Minimum wage? I'll be happy to earn bitcoin at minimum wage. Anything for bitcoin, really.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: theymos on February 03, 2011, 05:03:31 AM
Minimum wage? I'll be happy to earn bitcoin at minimum wage. Anything for bitcoin, really.

I think he's saying that minimum wage laws make finding employment more difficult, since labor is more expensive than it should be.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Bimmerhead on February 03, 2011, 02:17:45 PM
This thread is so bizarre, but I keep coming back to it to get the latest update on our Colorado protagonist.

I really don't know what to make of it.  Overall, I tend to believe his story that he is homeless, without work and in dire straits.  There is no doubt he has made bad choice after bad choice ($600 knives?!, early fatherhood out of wedlock, hanging around with people of dubious character) yet blames society/environment when things go wrong.  He responds to many of the posts on here, but seems to ignore some of those that offer good, practical advice.   

Here's one thing I would recommend for anyone who is homeless in Colorado in February: get to Arizona or California, someplace where you can sleep outside and not freeze to death.  I've heard Santa Monica is very tolerant of homelessness, the view is spectacular, and the temperature is moderate.

Anybody got any hitchhiking advice for the US Southwest?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2011, 02:19:34 PM
Minimum wage? I'll be happy to earn bitcoin at minimum wage. Anything for bitcoin, really.

I think he's saying that minimum wage laws make finding employment more difficult, since labor is more expensive than it should be.
Exactly. Thank you.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 05, 2011, 12:54:18 AM
He responds to many of the posts on here, but seems to ignore some of those that offer good, practical advice.   

Here's one thing I would recommend for anyone who is homeless in Colorado in February: get to Arizona or California, someplace where you can sleep outside and not freeze to death.  I've heard Santa Monica is very tolerant of homelessness, the view is spectacular, and the temperature is moderate.

Anybody got any hitchhiking advice for the US Southwest?
The majority of the practical advice ends up in my PM's. I don't really have any intention of asking banks if I can crash at their unsold properties.. I don't plan on squatting, and I've got some intentions of trying a few of the bitcoin incomes i've heard.

I do have the coding gig that I've mentioned several times, but I am putting all my eggs in that basket. We goto LA in 2 weeks to meet with investors, and if we get funded, I'll no longer be living this life. If not though, I have no backup plans. I'm putting my heart into this project, as it will net millions..

Library closes in 3 minutes, take care guys.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on February 05, 2011, 12:24:32 PM
You're delusional if you think you'll go from bankrupt to millions.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: maxvendor on February 05, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
if you want to start the first bitcoin travel agency i know veteran russian carders who card hotel rooms and flights for only 20% the original cost (through an agent, so you don't have to show a card when you check in) anywhere in the world. you can use them to stay in a hotel for up to 2 weeks at at time or sell these on craigslist, find anybody looking for flights (every single USA craigslist has somebody looking for flights) and offer to sell to them at the price they are asking. pay the carder liberty reserve, keep the rest. once rolling make your own site selloffvacations.biz and resell his vacations on craigslist for bitcoins. go on travel forums and advertise your biz, if somebody on Lonely Planet needs a hotel room in Morocco you have the cheapest solution.

i was an anarcho street punk for 2yrs living in the streets and punk flop houses all over N. America in the 90s. you don't sound desperate enough I used to throw trash cans at cop cars to get into jail to see a dentist. it's easy to get free food, you approach restaurants and food courts/bakeries and tell them you'll do some labour for the leftovers helping clean up or something. if you just passively email resumes, nobody will answer. phone them and social engineer your way into an interview. i rented a suit with stolen cards once and then conned my way into numerous jobs i was totally unqualified for.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 06, 2011, 04:17:53 AM
I think this boss is giving you a really bad deal. He's just using you as free labor at a long shot.

You should demand payment of some kind to compensate for your time, even if that is 10 dollars a day. Your boss can at least pay you that much, right?

Your objective is really that you should get ANYTHING in your pocket. 1 cents on the ground, 10 bucks for a one day job, whatever. Then you should figure out how to conserve these money for the future.

Unless you get warm blankets, shelter, or something....don't work for free. (Well, unless you like the arrangement of working for free...)


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 06, 2011, 05:54:08 AM
I think this boss is giving you a really bad deal. He's just using you as free labor at a long shot.

You should demand payment of some kind to compensate for your time, even if that is 10 dollars a day. Your boss can at least pay you that much, right?

Your objective is really that you should get ANYTHING in your pocket. 1 cents on the ground, 10 bucks for a one day job, whatever. Then you should figure out how to conserve these money for the future.

Unless you get warm blankets, shelter, or something....don't work for free. (Well, unless you like the arrangement of working for free...)
I have a deferred compensation contract in place, btw. I'm not tacky enough to say how much.

You're delusional if you think you'll go from bankrupt to millions.

Delusions are all I have left, some people call it "hope." I can't seem to get an ounce of help from anyone, so might as well gamble. I have no intentions of ever working at McDonald's, nor will I be happy there. So I'm not going to work for minimum wage. "OH it's a paycheck!" Great, so I'll have JUST enough to pay for rent and food, and be forced to be stuck at that fucking job. Then when I lose it, I'll be back on the streets. That's no way to start a life. Especially, when you have no one and nothing to fall back on. If this works out, and I make my millions! Everyone who did help me, is going to vegas with me. Skeptics need not apply.

ON THE COVER OF THE ROLLIN' STONE!


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 06, 2011, 06:00:07 AM
I have no intentions of ever working at McDonald's, nor will I be happy there. So I'm not going to work for minimum wage. "OH it's a paycheck!" Great, so I'll have JUST enough to pay for rent and food, and be forced to be stuck at that fucking job. Then when I lose it, I'll be back on the streets. That's no way to start a life. Especially, when you have no one and nothing to fall back on.

I hope for your sake that you get these jobs and FIND a way to conserve any kind of saving that you get from these jobs. Consider 1 dollars left after paying all those foods and rents, for example. You save 30/31 dollars a month. Multiply that by 12 you get 360 dollars a month. If you can save 2 dollars, you get 720 dollars a year. So figure out a job that you can do and figure out how to consume less while maintaining your health somehow.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on February 06, 2011, 12:34:58 PM
I have no intentions of ever working at McDonald's, nor will I be happy there. So I'm not going to work for minimum wage.

scammer.

but keep milking this thread dry for donations.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 06, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
scammer.

but keep milking this thread dry for donations.

No, it simply mean that he isn't willing to work at a fricking McDonald. Why should I help a guy who doesn't help himself?


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: pull on February 06, 2011, 10:08:20 PM
I have no intentions of ever working at McDonald's, nor will I be happy there. So I'm not going to work for minimum wage. "OH it's a paycheck!" Great, so I'll have JUST enough to pay for rent and food, and be forced to be stuck at that fucking job. Then when I lose it, I'll be back on the streets. That's no way to start a life. Especially, when you have no one and nothing to fall back on. If this works out, and I make my millions! Everyone who did help me, is going to vegas with me. Skeptics need not apply.

I can't not read this thread. Probably the best laugh on the forums.

Millions of people work at minimum wage jobs. Millions of them work themselves up from there. Your story continues to be full of lies.

I'm sure you put on a good show for the person you met on the forums. And no one that sends you a penny is going to vegas. But a nice strategy for trying to get a few more donations.

I'm glad no one sent you bitcoins on the last address you posted. Shows you how pretty much everyone here is smarter than your BS.
Lol.. The Vegas comment was a joke, and I really hope that no one thinks this is a Vegas lottery. The fact that you think everyone is a moron bothers me. I've said probably 25 times now, that almost no one has given me anything. This isn't a "scam," nor do I think it could be even defined as one. I'm not offering anything other than coding, and no one seems to need my work. I asked for help, that's about it, and I'm so fucking sick of everyone acting like they know everything.

I don't fucking lie, and fuck you for assuming I do. You're a piece of shit, simple as that. You're the type of person that steps over homeless people telling them to "get a job." One third of our homeless are veterans, and I'm sure you still treat them with utter disrespect. A large portion of our homeless are mentally ill with no family, but still you're the type of person who'd tell them that they need to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." Even though they've done more for AMERICA than you would ever be willing to. Truth is, you're too much of a pussy to ever defend our country, and I'm sure you spit on AMERICA'S veterans just because they are now homeless. I'm sick of tip-toeing around the tulips with assholes like you. I don't FUCKING CARE if you believe me or not. I've posted that I DON'T FUCKING CARE almost 35 times now, but no your dumbass can't read a god damn thing that's been posted. You assume no one else thinks I'm lying? You assume that no one else has posted accusations of me being a liar/scammer/thief? Maybe you just think your opinion is better than everyone elses, that you're the most intelligent man here, and you must save everyone else?

Even if we do get funding, there's only a few people I plan on helping out, you really think that my "big plan" is to offer everyone a vegas trip? God man, you're fucking retarded.

I live a life that you cannot fathom, I live a life that is unreal to your privileged sheltered ass. The reason I assume you're privileged is because of two things: your assumption of superiority, and your complete lack of the concept of hunger. Not necessarily physical hunger, but the hunger of poverty, the hunger of never having what you need. Driving a broke down car, to a lousy job where they treat you no better than machine cog (replaceable, unimportant, and insignificant), and you arrive home to a house full of condiments and no food, snacking on mustard or mayo, laying down in a bed with springs that stab you. Knowing that the only way out is death or pain. You've never had a hard time in your fucking life.

By the way, this post is pretty much dead to me, I come back now and again to check in on the advice that's been posted, and see if anyone else has some ideas on what to do, maybe transcribe the last few days.

By the way, how many people do you personally know that have gone from being homeless, gotten a minimum wage job, and actually succeeded in life? Not just scraping by living paycheck to paycheck, payday loan to credit card payment? Have you seen "The pursuit of Happyness?" The reason he made something of himself was because he wasn't just going for a bullshit minimum wage job. He was going for a livable wage as a stock-broker.

"Millions of people work at minimum wage jobs. Millions of them work themselves up from there. Your story continues to be full of lies."
Yes, our nation is at a 9% unemployment rate, cost of labor is going down, and therefore living/working conditions. It's an employers market, they can hire whoever they want, and pay them whatever. They deprive them of overtime pay, and fire them for coming in late on a day they weren't scheduled to work anyway. Where's these "millions of people?" I personally know about 40 people who were working MULTIPLE minimum wage jobs, averaging to about 45-50 hours a week, and still had their banks foreclose on them. A close friend of mine AND his wife both just graduated college, neither of them were able to find work, and so they were forced to move in with their parents. Luckily his parents are lawyers and have a decent savings amassed. They were able to buy him a condo, and he was able to get a job at Cricket for 7.50/hr. He's still unable to afford his rent and food on his own. Do the math, everytime you goto a fast food restaurant, or any other place with all minimum wage employees, ask how many of them are living with their parents/aunts/uncles. Ask how many of them are able to afford rent on their own. It's about 5%.

Give me one single person who is "working their way up" from a bullshit minimum wage job? And I specify JOB, not someone who's working 80+ hours a week with two employers just to keep their head above water. If you're going to accuse me of lying, give me some proof. Everything I've said I am completely capable of backing up with documents, sources, and even third parties. If you don't want to help me, fine. If you think I'm lying, fine. But don't fucking accuse me of shit you have NO IDEA about. Don't present shit as fact if you have nothing but your own personal speculation.

Besides, when's the last time I asked for help? Over a fucking month ago... I like how I keep posting updates on my life, because some people actually are curious.. and I get dipshit assholes like you calling me a scam artist.

"I can't read this thread, but I fully intend on making wild accusations when I haven't read more than one page. I barely skimmed through the facts you've presented, but I'll gladly announce that you're a liar when I have strong evidence to prove the opposite. Just because anyone who asks for help with a hotel a month and a half ago must be robbing people blind!"

I swear to god the next person who accuses me of something with NO PROOF, I want you to come out to denver, and say that shit to my face. If you have the apparent courage to be the protector of all those you consider less intelligent than you, you should have the courage to call me a liar to my face.

Now, let's all notice that I'M NOT ASKING FOR FUCKING MONEY. And I haven't for quite some time. The last thing I said is "if you could help me (with advice or even a kind word) I would greatly appreciate it, but if NOT THEN NO BIG DEAL."



Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on February 06, 2011, 11:40:29 PM
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Not necessarily physical hunger, but the hunger of poverty, the hunger of never having what you need. Driving a broke down car, to a lousy job where they treat you no better than machine cog (replaceable, unimportant, and insignificant), and you arrive home to a house full of condiments and no food, snacking on mustard or mayo, laying down in a bed with springs that stab you. Knowing that the only way out is death or pain. You've never had a hard time in your fucking life.

welcome to earth. ticket valid for 80 years.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 06, 2011, 11:52:54 PM

Give me one single person who is "working their way up" from a bullshit minimum wage job? And I specify JOB, not someone who's working 80+ hours a week with two employers just to keep their head above water. If you're going to accuse me of lying, give me some proof. Everything I've said I am completely capable of backing up with documents, sources, and even third parties. If you don't want to help me, fine. If you think I'm lying, fine. But don't fucking accuse me of shit you have NO IDEA about. Don't present shit as fact if you have nothing but your own personal speculation.



Income - costofbareboneliving = saving is still true.

You should be happy to get whatever money you can, whatever job you can, but you act like you're TOO GOOD for McDonalds.

So what if you are insignificant, replaceable, and unimportant? If you can buy warm blankets and food, as well save a little, it's a win.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on February 08, 2011, 06:25:44 AM
I voted yes, but am particularly interested in the modern geek on the streets angle.  What tricks do you use to gain Internet access?  How do you keep your devices charged?(mintyboost?)  Are there any apps that are particularly helpful?  These kinds of things.  Yes, I would be willing to contribute a small sum in bitcoins for useful information; but I'm looking for info, not storytelling.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: dissipate on February 09, 2011, 04:29:09 PM
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As I'm sifting everything I own out, I notice my 400$ cookware, 600$ kitchen knives, 750$ television and 600$ computer are missing.

ROFLCOPTERS, anyone who gives this guy money is a fool. $400 cookware?? $600 kitchen knives?? What a fing joke. Sounds like this guy was living it up and now he has no money because he didn't save any. It was more important to have $600 kitchen knives. I make a reasonably good salary and I don't have anything near that expensive in my kitchen.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Veltas on February 10, 2011, 05:58:48 PM
I am putting all my eggs in that basket.

Don't do it!


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: fabianhjr on February 11, 2011, 12:09:43 AM
Ok, now for all you fools that keep posting that "this is a scam": ONE WARNING IS ENOUGH! STOP SPAMMING!

If you don't like the thread don't keep coming back!


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: maxvendor on February 13, 2011, 10:16:24 PM
I voted yes, but am particularly interested in the modern geek on the streets angle.  What tricks do you use to gain Internet access?  How do you keep your devices charged?(mintyboost?)  Are there any apps that are particularly helpful?  These kinds of things.  Yes, I would be willing to contribute a small sum in bitcoins for useful information; but I'm looking for info, not storytelling.

I see hobos with laptops all the time in my city. They either buy them stolen or steal themselves, then plug them into outlets all over the place. Downtown every tree has a power plug so the city can hang xmas lights every year, plug it into that, or wherever else (shelter). Free wifi is everywhere, although I wouldn't trust it. Probably MITM attacks to steal cards/logins

Read Steal this Book by abbie hoffman some of the stuff still works in it, if you make adjustments





Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: MoonShadow on February 14, 2011, 04:37:06 AM
I voted yes, but am particularly interested in the modern geek on the streets angle.  What tricks do you use to gain Internet access?  How do you keep your devices charged?(mintyboost?)  Are there any apps that are particularly helpful?  These kinds of things.  Yes, I would be willing to contribute a small sum in bitcoins for useful information; but I'm looking for info, not storytelling.

I see hobos with laptops all the time in my city.


That's interesting.  Imagining a homeless vagabond with a MacBook makes me laugh.  Of course, in the city that I grew up in, and returned to, homelessness is (almost) a myth.  I grew up a urban child, and only encountered such in posters and on television.  When I lived in Ohio, Illinois or California; it was not such a myth.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: kiba on February 14, 2011, 04:39:34 AM

That's interesting.  Imagining a homeless vagabond with a MacBook makes me laugh.  Of course, in the city that I grew up in, and returned to, homelessness is (almost) a myth.  I grew up a urban child, and only encountered such in posters and on television.  When I lived in Ohio, Illinois or California; it was not such a myth.

I wrote a story about a homeless bitcoiner having a pair of smartphone and tough-as-shit netbook.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: opticbit on February 25, 2011, 01:08:00 AM
I don't have enough to be giving out donations.  Lost a good job over a year ago.
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here is your pond, you'll have to inhabit it with your own methods.
free hosting with blogger is good if your a coder various affilate programs should help

here is your rod n reel (mine too)  If anyone can suggest a big net I'd appreciate it.  Most of my links are on opticbit.com

CJ.com  I've done the best here mostly from ring revenue, still I've only gotten $200 and thats from signing up a few years ago, but only really working on it for 2 months about a year ago, and it finally paid off a few months ago

Amazon referrals

Google adsense

Porn nastydollars, awempire but not on blogger

I don't like ClickBank, but plenty of people seem to be reporting they are making money.  But I won't complain if I get a few bucks from a sale out of them.

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I haven't made enough off any of these to make a living, but I'm not much good at coding and other profitable activities

if I can do something valuable for someone let me know



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Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: bitter on March 04, 2011, 07:12:51 PM
I voted yes, but am particularly interested in the modern geek on the streets angle.  What tricks do you use to gain Internet access?  How do you keep your devices charged?(mintyboost?)  Are there any apps that are particularly helpful?  These kinds of things.  Yes, I would be willing to contribute a small sum in bitcoins for useful information; but I'm looking for info, not storytelling.

I see hobos with laptops all the time in my city. They either buy them stolen or steal themselves, then plug them into outlets all over the place. Downtown every tree has a power plug so the city can hang xmas lights every year, plug it into that, or wherever else (shelter). Free wifi is everywhere, although I wouldn't trust it. Probably MITM attacks to steal cards/logins

Read Steal this Book by abbie hoffman some of the stuff still works in it, if you make adjustments


I see hobos, walking around like regular people, they don't see each other, they only see what they want to see, they don't know they're hobos. They're everywhere.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: poopnoodle on May 25, 2011, 04:20:26 AM
As you can probably tell, I am new here. I created an account so I could reply to this thread.
After reading everything posted here, I just wanted to say to "Pull" that not only do I believe everything you've said here,
but I find you to be smart, witty and a gifted communicator.
I realize this is an older thread, but I really hope this message gets to you Pull.
I hope the day finds you safe and warm. Take care.

Larry


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Lynzoi on May 27, 2011, 10:13:17 PM
Interesting story pull.

Obviously you don't want to be poor. You want to be rich.

Have you read this book? http://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Thomas-Stanley/dp/0671015206 It's a book that talks about how the average millionaire got to where they are today. It's all about being frugal. Many millionaires got to where they are today with rather ordinary jobs. They do well by living below their means.

You also might be interested in this book. http://www.amazon.com/Scratch-Beginnings-Search-American-Dream/dp/0061714364/ref=pd_sim_b_2

Ever heard of Job Corps? Nobody in this thread mentioned it. That would be worth looking into.

A steady, boring, minimum wage job seems like the safest, most stable decision you could make. You don't have to work at McDonalds if you hate the place, but there are plenty of minimum wage jobs out there. You could look for a corporation that has a reputation for hiring INSIDE the company. (Increases your chances of moving up.) UPS is a good example of such a corporation. UPS also pays rather well for unskilled labor, I believe they have a dental plan for people who just move boxes.

I'm brining this up because you said you are risking your well-being by working at some start up company that might make millions. You don't need to be a genius to figure out that this kind of career strategy will NOT make you millions. I won’t bother to explain my reasoning.

From reading your posts, and your ex’s myspace page, I get the impression that you both have anger issues, as well as a history of risky bevhaior.

If you have ANY bad habits – and I’m not saying that you do, but IF you do – get rid of those immediately. Get rid of all credit card debt, don’t drink or smoke. Ideally, you would not be into Bitcoins at all, but if you MUST indulge in Bitcoin speculation, do it as conservatively as possible. I consider your pride to be a bad habit as well.

One last thing... your ex. Maybe she is a stripper, prostitute, and coke addict... but does she have MONEY? Some prostitutes make a lot of money. I can understand why you might be angry at her for leaving you, but if you can hold back your anger enough to ask her for help, that could potentially be useful.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: cointrader on June 05, 2011, 06:29:22 PM
When there is no one else to turn to..

Matthew 11:28-30: "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."—Jesus Christ


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: genjix on November 30, 2011, 04:09:26 PM
What happened to this guy? Would be nice to hear some updates. Hope all is well.


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: bbit on November 30, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
The last time I checked we have a bunch of bums called OWS  why don't you go occupy them ?

they have free food, sex , drugs and everything else all paid for on my dime!

Good luck! ;D


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on November 30, 2011, 06:15:37 PM
What happened to this guy? Would be nice to hear some updates. Hope all is well.

Same questions and concerns. Different guy. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3


Title: Re: I have nowhere else to turn..
Post by: Vince Torres on December 02, 2011, 12:01:46 AM
We'll if he invested everything he had into Bitcoins then he'd be pretty well off now.