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(Hopefully you even notice this thread amongst all the spam threads here)

Theymos, it is reaching a critical level.   :-\

From my BPIP parsing, I can tell you are getting several new signups per minute. 

These accounts are immediately posting as often as they can, using simple one liners that don't contribute and in some cases are completely off topic. 

They post once on a thread then never go back.  This is making normal conversation difficult. 

Is there anything in the works to combat this?

Agree completly
I think the best way is to bring back the newbie jail, and delete mega spam-threds.
Not just close them, delete them so they dont credit for their spam.

This place has been running similar to a anarchy for quite some time now.

They can be trashed, which voids their post count. There's a lot of these threads in the main sections like Bitcoin Discussion, but they are rarely handled. :-\

I've noticed almost everyone who has an ETH-address as Location: in their profile is just posting spam.

Most new accounts don't make a single post, and have random nicknames. Could it be they're trying to find a proxy that doesn't require a payment to get rid of units of evil?

Since many spam megathreads have been deleted, many Newbies open random BS threads on their own. I've seen Newbies with more topics opened than replies made.
I've reported much more posts and topic lately, but there are much more spammers than "good guys".

Would it be an option to charge a fee to create an account? Not just based on units of evil, but every new account has to pay a small amount. Start with $2, adjust if necessary.
This is small enough to not discourage honest people, but becomes expensive if an account farmer gets 100 accounts banned.

BTW: When reporting posts, the 4 seconds between my reports often make my reports fail.

Yes, that is a good indicator of a spammer.

In a couple weeks, BPIP will start parsing this page, which shows the topics and replies.  I will then be able to query that data to produce probable shitposter lists.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747;sa=statPanel

Thanks for the great example of a shitpost.

I think we shoud have a Bitcoin discussion forum where we can discuss Bitcoin. :)

Maybe restrict posting to members and above.

I've been reporting spam, redundant and OT threads/posts yet my % is falling. Looks like a waste of time to report them, not bothering with it anymore.

It's actually becoming unreal at this point, every day that I log on I can look at certain sections and report around 20 posts in the first 5 pages for all sorts of reasons. The majority of the reports are for the wrong section. The people who are shit posting don't even take  the time to put their shit in a on topic section and just post it anywhere. They then either farm up their posts in their thread or abandon it forever.

I've been looking into the accounts which have been making these posts recently and a lot of them seem to be compromised. A lot of them had a huge posting gap and suddenly changed languages. I'm currently compiling a list of accounts that I think have been compromised with references which I'll post over in the reputation section in the next few days hopefully and continue adding to it.

I do feel for the moderators  though, as right now it seems they are struggling to cope with the new workload that has resulted in the value of Bitcoin rising, as well as signature campaign spamming and dealing with compromised accounts. I guess I'll continuing what I've been doing for a while and report every post that breaches one of the guidelines.

As well as raise my concerns about some accounts which I suspect have been compromised. (Which I'll likely contact theymos first and see if he replies) It's not like the staff isn't doing anything as they clearly are and my reports are being dealt with a few hours later depending on the rank of the member and there is a lot of activity in the  modlog  (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) I just think they may be struggling, or not enough people are reporting the posts.
 

I've been reporting posts in the wrong section as well as multiple redundant threads (activity, rank up, can't post pics) and some are removed and some are not. I dropped on the reported % so I see no reason to bother anymore.

A combination of the two would be the best option, I think.
Newbie jail until you're at least Activity 30something AND have less than 2 or 3 "reported" posts.
Get out of jail immediately for a fee.

Don't worry about the percentage, I imagine you have a decent percentage anyway. I report anything I think doesn't belong. I've even reported a staff members post a long time ago because I didn't feel it fitted in where it was posted. In the last hour I've reported at least 20 posts after coming home and not all them will likely be dealt with or I may have been incorrect on a few of them. But as long as I'm correct and have helped then it's worth it.

I know it's nice to have some feedback via your percentage and you like to keep it high. But, giving up completely isn't going to help the issue we are currently facing. I couldn't care about my percentage as long as you can clean up the board by getting a few of them correct it's worth it in my opinion.

A combined effort of everyone doing this will surely help and the moderators will appreciate it. I feel too many people are getting disheartened and giving up because of the percentage loss. I don't really look at a lot of the sections which are getting bombarded by posts. Mostly the altcoin section, I've recently taken it off ignore and it's quite frankly a mess and a haven for spammers/shit posters.

Another thing I have noticed is that there's a lot of threads which are in the marketplace section and sub forums which are being bump abused. The OP deletes his previous bump and then posts another one multiple times within 24 hours. I've been reporting them too but I'm not sure if the moderators even have access to deleted posts as I believe I remember theymos saying they are a hassle to recover/check.

Maybe the solution is to offer a paid membership *cough*Copper*cough* for them to skip any rank building and be eligible for more sig campaigns as a newbie, so they can get paid, probably by scam ICO operators, for their one-liners as soon as they create an account?  /sarcasm /copper-bashing

Maybe Copper is just a clever way to entice them into a specific account type so mods can focus efforts on looking through copper members instead of all newbies.
/optimism
;D

Newbie jail would be great.

A little off-topic but can someone explain to me why Copper membership lifts signature styling restrictions?

I'm actually against a newbie jail because that didn't prevent any spamming/shit posting when it was in place before and to be honest a lot of the shit posting isn't even coming from the newbie members. (at least in the main Bitcoin sections)

Copper membership was introduced, because I believe theymos doesn't actually like putting restrictions on people because it hinders the actual legit members of the forum who want to participate and contribute to the forum. He's proven this by lifting the newbie jail in the past, allowing members to register through Tor if they pay a small fee and the recent copper membership introduction.

He explains himself here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2385104

I had read the explanation, it was created with the intent to allow newbies the capability to post images, which I understand the reasoning for. What I do not fully understand is the need to give them a visible rank of "Copper Member", 2 coins under their name, and increased signature styling.

It appears to me that there have been more sig spammers asking how to rank up faster to try and get paid for campaigns compared to legitimate members asking about removing restrictions to create accounts to contribute to the forum. I certainly wouldn't want to hinder anyone legitimate from helping the forum but I feel like anyone legitimately trying to contribute to the forum should be willing to go through a newbie jail of some sort and would understand the reasoning.

Current sig spammers may not be newbies because a lot have had to buy accounts or have already had time to rank their accounts up to join a campaign... and yes, I do like that Copper could potentially reduce account sales. However, I'm anticipating signature campaigns to start providing rates for copper members due to the signature restriction lifts and if those signature rates pay for the copper membership somewhat quickly, this seems like a no-brainer for sig spammers.

Maybe I'm wrong though.. this is just me speculating. :-\

Your efforts do help and have not gone unnoticed. And yes, we do appreciate it. :)


Thank you for understanding. Yes, we are struggling to keep up with the current onslaught. For every one we take down, at least three more pop up in their place (in the Mining sections, at least; that's my jurisdiction).

Nevertheless, we are doing our very best to keep up the forum's tidiness and content quality, and we need, and appreciate, all the help we can and do get from you. :)

I've been negative trusting these bozos, which shuts them down - but for every one I tag, 50 more pop up.  :/

Nothing can stop spamming on this forum as people can create 1000 accounts per day, talk to themselves and half their accounts get banned while the remaining remain unidentified. I feel there are not more than 150-200 real users on this forum as others appear to be alts. The solutions are endless and may be not letting them wear a signature till they reach a specific rank, not letting their posts appear unless they are verified by mods (but this increases the work load of mods) but that also doesn't stop them from increasing their activity.

The only way to fix the problem is banning Sig. Ad Campaigns.

Because of the Sig Ad Campaigns there have been thousands of new accounts,Threads,Replies All spam
This makes the forum "Appear" to be very busy and valuable. If you remove the Ad campaigns thousands of accounts will go Dormant and the forum loses $$

You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Revenue is being made by these spammers and will continue.

Ok, United Traders  ;D

No, you're right actually.

Allthough I'm in the middle of my first bounty campaign (in about 4 years), I'd say: stop them.  There is too much to be gained by bounties.  As BTC has become world news and this is THE forum where there's money to be made from bounties: it won't stop, it will just get worse...

That would be the best solution.
Some think that the forum will loose memebers. It wont.
It will get rid people that are just here to spam. The ones that are interested in Bitcoin will stay

I've been telling him this for the past year plus. It's pretty much wall-to-wall shitposting right now and 99% people posting here now are doing so just to get paid in the quickest and easiest way possible and that's all they care about. The news that you can earn good money here by merely posting shit (or copy and pasting) must be spreading like wildfire through developing nations and specifically South East Asia. You literally get schoolkids and their entire families signing up here on multiple accounts and hence why they forum is such a shit show of barely legible crap and just gets worse month by month.


Tell me about it. They stand out a mile off because if you check their post history they're always just one or two liners because that's the minimum they feel they have to write for it to not constitute 'spam'. They're wrong.


I call these users hit-and-runners. They make a quick post and have absolutely no interest in contributing to the discussion and 9/10 you will never get a response if you quote them. Actually replying to a post with a relevant and well-thought out response is obviously too much effort for them.


Yes. Tackle the problem at the source. If a shitcoin campaign comes here and does nothing about spam and pays users to post or copy and paste whatever crap they can be bothered to make their accounts should be banned, their ICO threads trashed and they should not be permitted to advertise here any longer. This is what was meant to happen with the signature guidelines thread I came up with but so far theymos hasn't responded to any requests for him to enforce it against problem campaigns sadly.

ICO campaigns would soon get the message if this started happening but because they can get away with sheer laziness they will continue to abuse the system here and that's why things need to change because it's pure shit smeared from wall to wall right now by one-line shitposters and desperate account farmers trying to rank up their accounts as fast as they can.

Sounds to me in addition to new rules, enforcement of old/new rules, new Mods need to be recruited. It appears you guys are overwhelmed.

Workload does need to be distributed as there's only so much certain staff members have the power to do. I've suggested all these things to theymos but he's very slow to react. He finally added mprep as a new Global but hasn't given him temp banning powers yet which is vital really. I suspect theymos is the most overwhelmed of us all to be honest but it's why more powers/responsibility need to be delegated to other staff members.

Doing some projects involving 'shilling' detection.  Little toy projects.

Not that it would establish a litmus test for shitposters but data mining and data visualization might leads to fun and fruitful new approaches to modeling and detecting shitposts and shitposters.

A hurdle right now is that I don't have much labeled data.   If we could somehow come up with a list of shitposters and a list of legit peeps then I could do all sorts of finger waving magical data mining sorcery.

*hopeful*

Vod has recently started making a red list (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747). The only problem with this is that they'll abandon the tagged account and create the next one.

It would be used for training a classifier to detect and predict unknowns.

They would have to find out what identifies them as shitposter and change behavior rather than change accounts.  A cat and mouse game can actually start where adversaries try to trick classifiers and classifiers adapt and even anticipate these changes.

Are you people Blind?

You Bitch and complain about this problem all the time and don't get what the bottom line actually is. theymos is making money by all the spammers and new accounts. it makes the forum Valuable in the eyes of investors(Advertisers)

Do you not understand this very simple Equation?  He will NEVER solve this problem by banning Sig. Ad spamming because he is making shit tons of money.

Now shut the fuck up and stop complaining. Or you can bitch directly to him Via PM's

You People who complain about this are WORSE than the fucking idiots begging for their banned/Hacked accounts back. You are contributing to the spamming problems with your own BS threads about this.



Shut the fuck up already

Why so angry? Aren't you the guy who was writing sob stories about how you're going to die soon?

Anyway, more registered accounts, more posts per minute, more active users, more searches, it all increases the value of the forum and it means more money for everyone, the spammers, advertisers, account traders, theymos... Free market is a bitch.


It's a great idea + for the effort. They will make new accounts but it brings them back to posting restrictions that are annoying as hell and wastes some of their precious time.
You can focus on member + accounts to make tagging more efficient. Losing a high level account or a bought one will definitely hurt them.

What the hell are you talking about???

Vod, I saw you tagged a user for shitposting, and I think that's a great idea for someone in DT to do.  I've said it in another thread that this will disqualify shitposters from a lot of campaigns, and mods are definitely not banning all of them.  That's understandable and I'm not blaming mods for anything.  There are so many new shitposters, it's unreal and there's no way staff would see them all, and there are almost too many to report.  So props to Vod.

Your post was the #32 reply to this thread and the #14 reply by a PAID sig. Ad. user what is that like almost 37% replies by a PAID user? I guess that shows where the problem lies.

What's your paid post count now?  :D

Just create 1 anything goes section on the forum where it is coded not to show signatures..

Then you can see where the free market flows and go from there, if it is popular, it could then be subdivided into more specific sections..


It could give real important and intelligent conversations a safe haven from being steamrolled by shitposts..  

You know what I'm talking about. Your cancer story. Have you already forgotten about that?


Talking like a true anti- signature activist but you weren't like that in the old days. You have tried to rent out (or whore out like some people like to call it) your signature in the past, but now it's suddenly above your level.

I have stopped reporting anything, it's pointless, the forum rules are no being enforced at all.

I have reported some users dozens of times for posting worthless oneliners or using russia/thai/whatever language and all that happens is that their post get deleted and they just continue to break the rules as if nothing has happened and this has been going on for years.

Majority of the forum is being treated basically as off-topic board where everything goes and majority of the longtime community has obviously stopped caring.

You should probably take a look at the modlog if you think that nothing is being done: https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php

As you can see, recently there's been more than 50 bans in succession. Certain posts aren't a ban offense straight off the bat and deleted posts are a sort of warning. If they continue they'll get banned even if it takes a few reports. Without your reports and others then the alt coin section is just going to get even more overrun that it already is.

In my experience this simply isn't true. There are users I have reported for literally years and still they keep on breaking the rules.

I guess it depends on what they are being reported for. But, if they are being reported for spam for example then mentioned in the report field that they have made several of these kinds of posts in various different threads. The moderator dealing with the report can then verify this for themselves which may result in a ban if they agree that the user isn't learning and just continues to spam.

I've included this message for a few people whilst reporting and normally watch the modlog for their user ID.

The campaign I'm in doesn't pay for posts in meta, you dumbass.  I've been concerned about this problem for quite a while.  I'm not part of the problem here--but my opinion is obviously quite biased.  I've reported a lot of posts, and I don't get paid for that.  Ignoramus.

Start a Premium Membership system.

it may help to reduce the high number of spammings. because mostly people join here are alt of already members and account farmers and reason of joining the forum is to participate in bounties and signature campaigns.

so my suggestion is to start a premium membership level for the forum... Free members can not have Signature space, not have access to some important boards and some other features. to open signature space and other features. a user have to buy premium membership package..

LOL don't know if forum authority reading this post or not. it's already filled with spammers.

Edit: and old members should already have premium memberships (for exmple: Me) hehehe.

This is exactly what I have been suggesting we do for quite some time and something I forgot to mention here. Signatures should be removed from ranks entierly and anybody who signs up to the forum only has a very minimal signature (something along the lines of a junior level one). To get a bigger signature along with colour you have to donate to the forum. Something like $50 will get you a Silver membership with a full member sized signature (and possibly avatar) and Gold member which gives you a Hero sized signature for $100 etc. There could even be a premium rank for $200-500 or so which gives you even more perks such as an image banner signature and the ability to change your name etc. This would essentially kill account farming 99% and put a stop to shitposters signing up with 50 accounts for each member of their family.

instead of one time donation it would be even better to limit the premium membership to a specific period. so you have to renew your premium membership again after a week, a month or a certain time..
coz 50, 100, 200 and 500$ is not a big amount. account farmers would easily cross this.

and limiting free users to some specific boards only is also helpful. like Help and Beginners, Meta and Off-topic. (maybe local boards) for  all other forum boards a user must have premium membership.

No, I don't think some sort of annual membership fee is a good idea and doubt theymos would go for it. Yes, some people will happily pay the fee on a few accounts if they can afford it, but the point is it severely restricts the number of accounts people will make because nobody is going to pay $100 for each of their dozens to hundreds of accounts (and if they do then fair play and the forum benefits financially). At the moment anyone can create an unlimited amount of accounts and this is a huge problem especially when people try be sneaky and farm them with bots or just shitpost which is easy to do in certain sections.

250$ is probaly nearly a months salary for the most 3rd world people here.
Lets see how many 3rd people can keep on shitposting and pay 100$ per banned account.




And i stopped to report people beginning 2016 or so and started again two months ago since the shit show is hugely annoying by now ::)

Exactly and this is the sort of abuse it will prevent. They'll be able to scrape together a hundred dollars or so to invest in an account and if they want to invest their hard earned sig money into more with their monthly earnings then be my guest. I think people will take better care with their accounts once they treat it as an investment and make better posts from just the one or two as opposed to creating as many as you want for free currently to bleed lazy crapcoin campaigns dry.

I count more than a 1000 successive Autobans, and a total of 6156 on that page. I assume it's a bot banning them, but I'm curious to know how this works.

Question for Mods: does Bitcointalk keep track of the number of deleted posts per user? Otherwise it will be impossible to remember who is a repeat offender.

Anybody who cares about the forum should do that. In the last week, I think I've reported more posts than I've made.

I don't think that helps. Signature campaigns pay enough to not care about a membership fee, and after paying the fee they can continue to earn from spamming. It just lowers the expected profit from (say) $500 to (say) $450.

I expect hilariousetc's suggestion to decouple signatures from rank will still make accounts with more posts more valuable, as it gives signature impressions in much more old posts.

If they actually get banned, it will indeed be a great punishment. But it's also a slippery slope: it gives the forum a financial incentive to ban people.

Many are just too dumb (or uneducated) to know they make bad posts. They can't even read simple rules before posting in a thread.

Even if they don't they only have to look at the post history of the account. Spammers would of made several of the type of posts that's been reported and they can make their decision based on that. Especially, over at the altcoin section, these "good luck" posts and misspelled replies like "good projet" are posted several times by the same user.

Judging by Badbears response here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985030.0
I don't think all of them are automatic bans.

Well I could even tell you right now on how many people from my country are willing to pay for a Copper Membership: 0. But somehow -maybe words got out about farmer who created so many accounts and shitposting without getting caught made a fortune from bounties etc- there was a guy that would buy some hero accounts just to do that and openly made a topic in my language like:

I'm going to invest my money on some hero accounts and try to make some money from bounties and signature, is it worth the BTC?

And then I remember sometimes ago Cyrus and I caught and banned a farmer with some established accounts (more than 15). What?!


Admin can see if an account has been banned before. Repeat offender would get longer ban or even a permanent one.

make sense.. but I've been managing Signatures and specially ICO bounties. I now very well how much a Full member and above rank account can generate with his signature from bounties.. I my self paid 0.5 to 1 BTC worth of altcoins per members (some month before) for their signatures.

That is if they participated in the signature campaign over the whole duration.
If they get banned before they wont get money and lose i.e. 100$.
At the same time mods will have to enforce the rules more strictly and giving out bans faster to shitposters.

Red trust works quite well. If all DT members started tagging spammers it would at least eliminate those annoying "know no english but still write" dudes. This combined with frequent updates of SMAS would greatly reduce the spam. What could be expected is some campaign management will start to see free money in this as there will be a lot of red/smas tagged posters around that would be willing to write for a fraction of the normal rate. They'd start employing them with minimum wage, like slaves. Also, some of those spammers that wouldn't be able to join a campaign with their tagged account would turn to account farming and selling. It's much easier to hide spam if you're not wearing a signature and writing in the less watched boards like off-topic.

It's a game theory problem: The moment you get rid of all that forum activity, which is ultimately legit, organic activity of real people, you are damaging your SEO. Google's algorithm doesn't care if 1000 indonesians are registering daily to get some peanuts on bounty campaigns, that activity is real activity and not flagged as bots, which helps ranking the site better, which helps ad revenue. I can't blame theymos on that. And realize the fact that internet traffic doesn't disappear, it finds new paths, and guess who would capitalize all that traffic into it's own forum: Exactly, Roger Ver. Do we want bitcoin dot com's forum to be the #1 ranked bitcoin forum?

Personally I just bookmark quality posters I like. If you like gmaxwell's contributions, bookmark him and follow his posts and ignore the bullshit. Of course this doesn't mean 3rd worlders spamming 100 times a day shouldn't be banned, but getting rid of all that traffic becomes a problem from a SEO perspective. You don't want to lower the demand of participation on your forum.

Yes, I agree with you, but as far as I’ve seen in similar posts on this section there are many more people who favor very hard and tough action, which would affect traffic. It all comes down to what theymos wants to do, though, and I hope he implements measures to reduce spam but not drastic ones that affect traffic. Also, because I think from my experience in other forums, that a forum is not a place only for “high quality posts”, as I’ve commented on other posts about this subject.

Another tough way of  doing it  : Instead of allowing signatures for only premium members,let it done by case by case basis.For instance,once a member signs up ,he can request for a signature approval once in 6 months.If he gets rejected,he basically cannot have another request for the next 6 months.If someone thinks they're good enough,they can ask for approval in a common signature board where mods/admins can grant the access.Involves too much manual work from time to time.

I understand this problem is something to be upset about but a lot of the suggestions here are bigger government, authoritarian, and freedom limiting..
I just hate to see people always looking to big brother to solve their problems..

First off pretty much all of your suggestions will require more staff for you account vetting and buy in stuff.. That also puts a lot of power in that vetting persons hands. More centralized power is, well, not very concurrent with the ideals of Bitcoin..    
These suggestions are also freedom limiting in that none of this would give anyone any MORE freedom but rather take little pieces of it away in hopefully the right spots.. Their is nothing wrong with some limits on freedom when it comes to affecting other people around you, such as this situation, but in general increasing limits on freedom is not a good trend direction to be heading..
I know this is a company but what kind of examples do we want to set?    
                                  
And about this "company"..
Sure it is probably technically a company legaly or whatever but is this place run like a company or run like a community?
Do we have shareholders or an owner that really cares all that much about what it is ultimately worth? I don't think so..
I see said often, maybe even by theymos iirc, that bitcointalk doesn't really need donation money and fee money and all that sort, so they don't seem too money hungry to me..
About google SEO and ad money and stuff.. I don't see any ads around here do you? Where?
Theymos auctions off a little banner sometimes in this community and usually gets bought by someone in this community.. I doubt he much cares about the little coin it brings TBH..
Bitcointalk dsoesn't need more taxes, fees, value, adsense ranking, notta..
Bitcointalk comes from a "position of fuck you (https://youtu.be/xdfeXqHFmPI)", doesn't need any more money.. They hodl..

Now I'm not criticizing anyone intentions here because this is a problem worth working on but many peoples initial reactions are to just ban this ban that make more laws hire more people, centralize more power, ugh.. You should understand.. What would you say if you heard stuff like that coming out of ted cruz or our new SCOTUS judge?
If you are truly a leftist and don't care about this freedom and liberty stuff then one.. What the heck are you in Bitcoin for? "Profits"? Two, well then, we disagree on things..


So, as I earlier suggested, this problem could be alleviated greatly in a way that centralize no more power, does not increase the size of the governorship, creates no more positions to waste resources through the friction of buerocracy, creates and needs no more taxes or fees, AND actually increases the freedom of the people!

Just create one more forum section, the "No Signature space", where signatures don't display (campaign managers can sort out the posts paid), and anyone and everyone that want to have a legit conversation free from the ravages of sig spam can simply use their freedom to post in this section if they do so desire..


Some things I don't like specifically about a few suggestions..
Now you want me to fork out like $100 in BTC to keep my account nice and have a signature? Really? I don't get paid for my signature, its there because I want to see them succeed.. I have tried the signature thing in the past and found that it wasn't for me.. I don't like to post according to someones rules.. I like to post whatever the heck I want, sometimes 1 liners, sometimes I like to blast out a page.. Don't care about any post quality calculation..
Also I don't like the deleating old threads ideas.. Shutting down ctive spam topics by all means hit em, but leave history stand imo..

Well, their's a morning rant for you guys.. I might be a bit out of place because I'm not as high and mighty as a lot of you so take it for what you will..

Edit: also, this way would also not "affect traffic" and seo etc whatever stuff if you care about those things..
BTW I think screw what anyone outside of bitcoin talk thinks, rnkings, seo, nonsense.. Remember that "position of FU"

This would end up on a ton of people, both posters and advertisers, moving into Roger Ver's bitcoin dot com forum, most likely. Not to mention it would require an insane amount of resources to monitor and judge everyone. You have to balance out what you are going to do, like I said before, you don't want to end up giving all that organic traffic (which is worth millions) to the enemy as a result.

Personally, I would bring back the noob jail, so newbies are forced to stay in the newbie section until at least 14 points of activity. If you are really new, then you first steps should be there as you learn (of course, there's the possibility that a cryptography expert didn't have an account here yet and would be stuck on there with the noobs, but I guess that's not usual). This would solve all the newly created accounts by broken english third worlders spamming nonsense. If you get rid of only that, the forum becomes way better. Then just keep banning the obvious low hanging fruit spammers manually as of now, and that's all. Don't go overkill with it, or you risk losing ranking points when people search for "Bitcoin forum" on the internet. It's the same as Roger wants to do with /r/btc, he wants it to show up above /r/bitcoin when people search "bitcoin reddit" on the Google.

Right about the "insane amount of resources" part..

You are also right in a way about the ranking but just because of the current war with beecoin..

Do you even realize how much work it would be? Every mod would open log in to see hundreds of requests every day and most of them would have to be denied. Denying would cause tears anger and hundreds of threads where people would sit and dwell upon the decisions, looking for conspiracy theories.
-He was allowed to post, he must be paying the mods! -I bet mods aren't allowing us to wear signatures because they're enrolling their alts!
Nobody would wait 6 months when leveling up a member takes less and it would make the accounts with privileges more valuable on the black market.

Charge any body wearing a signature at least $0.1 per post, I know that even if you do that, we beggars will shitpost no matter what, but if you are charging every body and if we post 10,000 times a day, you'll have $1000 to hire 4 new moderators. I'm begging you.

As far as your first response....I won't even dignify that with  detailed response. I'll stay on topic.

As far as your second response here read part of my own Quote and don't put me in the same Category as you Pimping out your Sig space with Every post.


You will always be a paid Spammer of the forum Which is the problem.