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It is a fact that Sonny is a crook, he plead guilty to being one.  So BFL cannot sue you for telling the truth.  I think what you need to say is probably:

Butterfly Labs of Leawood KS is a long con scam run by known criminals.  

But even that is not likely to get any response since that is all pretty much factual as well.  In order for them to sue for slander or libel I think you'd actually need to lie.  So I think is is highly unlikely that BFL will sue you over your statement.

(Take this to the legal section?)

The following is not an opinion made by myself. I present it as fact.

BF Labs Inc. (Butterfly Labs) owned my Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock and should be avoided at all cost. Anybody who currently has a product on pre-order that's not expected to be shipped any time soon should ask for an immediate refund before they close down shop and the main principals leave the country.

Again, the above I present as fact and not as an opinion.

Anybody who believes that BFL now has the right to sue me, please sign this thread.

If in 10 days from this day I do not receive a letter from their lawyers informing me in no uncertain terms that they are suing my ass, then the above is definitely proven to be fact.

I will not judge a single person who signs this thread. The more signatures the better regardless of how you feel about me.

Thank you, in advance, for participating.

The following is not an opinion made by myself. I present it as fact.

BF Labs Inc. (Butterfly Labs) owned my Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock and should be avoided at all cost. Anybody who currently has a product on pre-order that's not expected to be shipped any time soon should ask for an immediate refund before they close down shop and the main principals leave the country.

Again, the above I present as fact and not as an opinion.

Anybody who believes that BFL now has the right to sue me, please sign this thread.

If in 10 days from this day I do not receive a letter from their lawyers informing me in no uncertain terms that they are suing my ass, then the above is definitely proven to be fact.

I will not judge a single person who signs this thread. The more signatures the better regardless of how you feel about me.

Thank you, in advance, for participating.

Where do I find the latest BFL Drama in a nice concentrated bundle?

I will sign the petition with a blood oath!

Phinnaeus Gage, you scoundrel, you should get sued to high heaven!

WTF? So if I make a claim that ICC is intentionally crippling performance on AMD CPUs, and if Intel doesn't sue me in 10 days, then it must be true?

Oh! Justin Bieber is really a girl! If Justin's lawyers don't sue me, it much be true!

Go home.

Your point it valid! Make it 9 days. Better yet, how many days should I give them?

If I went on record and stated that you killed somebody in the past, how long would it take you to get your lawyer to issue me papers? Or are you the type to just let me spread such vile for years for the entire world to read? Even better yet, what if I said to the world that your a pedophile, committing said act prior to the new laws were put in place were you didn't have to register your address? Would you think about it for the next 10 days if that's the time frame I laid out for you to sue my ass?

BTW, are you on record in stating that I should be sued?

You i and everybody knows you cant be sued for telling the truth !

..since we have gone there ...josh is a post op woman living inside a now re-adjusted body to suit his inner self !!

ROLF

...rolf?

Only 7 more days! It's probably safe to assume BFL's lawyers are working on the wording of the lawsuit.

Only 7 more days! It's probably safe to assume BFL's lawyers are working on the wording of the lawsuit.

Only 7 more days! It's probably safe to assume BFL's lawyers are working on the wording of the lawsuit.

Do you need a defense accountant?  I know I am not a lawyer, but this case seems so easy that even a lowly accountant should be able to defend you (If it helps I do have dreams of getting my JD one day).  Of course I offer all services pro bono, as I feel that the fine folks getting defended is payment enough from a corrupt company.

I look forward to hearing from you regarding my offer as well as our day in court.

The following is not an opinion made by myself. I present it as fact.

BF Labs Inc. (Butterfly Labs) owned my Sonny Vleisides is nothing but a crock and should be avoided at all cost. Anybody who currently has a product on pre-order that's not expected to be shipped any time soon should ask for an immediate refund before they close down shop and the main principals leave the country.

Again, the above I present as fact and not as an opinion.

Anybody who believes that BFL now has the right to sue me, please sign this thread.

If in 10 days from this day I do not receive a letter from their lawyers informing me in no uncertain terms that they are suing my ass, then the above is definitely proven to be fact.

I will not judge a single person who signs this thread. The more signatures the better regardless of how you feel about me.

Thank you, in advance, for participating.

Their legal team left me a voicemail, they said they will need two weeks to get it done. :)

How dare you say such naughty things about ButtF*ckLabs!!!

You should be sued!

This guy definitely needs to be sued.  BFL should break out some more of that preorder money to pay some shyster to do it.

Let's hope so! In less than 2 hours, it will only be 2 more days to go. If my dick gets any harder, I'll be able to suck it myself, not that I would... well, not that I would tell anybody if I did, of which I wouldn't, of course.

Let's hope so! In less than 2 hours, it will only be 2 more days to go. If my dick gets any harder, I'll be able to suck it myself, not that I would... well, not that I would tell anybody if I did, of which I wouldn't, of course.

I'm clearly missing something here... Does anyone care to explain?

Today's the big day. I'm goin' get served! I hope I have to sign for it.

I'm clearly missing something here... Does anyone care to explain?

They will never sue you or anyone for anything.

They will try as hard as they can to stay out of court.

Hopefully, they will fail.

They have defrauded their customers of incredible amounts of money.

Hopefully, they will (in due time) end up
in the next room over from Mr. Trendon Shavers.

They will never sue you or anyone for anything.

They will try as hard as they can to stay out of court.

Hopefully, they will fail.

They have defrauded their customers of incredible amounts of money.

Hopefully, they will (in due time) end up
in the next room over from Mr. Trendon Shavers.

In closing. BF Labs Inc. is nothing but a bunch of crooks of which will soon close up shop and its owners, namely Sonny Vleisides, will leave the country, taking with them millions of dollars.

To this day, Sonny Vleisides is promoting lottery schemes on his webspawner.com site, just like he did back in 1995 when he fired it up from Costa Rica, claiming to be in Missouri at the time.

Nothing will ever happen to them just like nothing ever happened to pirate. Because Bitcoin.

<in the voice of BFL>
IMPORTANT UPDATE II

Team BFL is one of the top rated Minecraft teams in the world and will be attending the next competition next month. We are seeking donations to pay for our trip. Please email or PM us to get our private Bitcoin address.

We already gave them our money so they could mine with our hardware and not ship it (assuming it actually exists), so why not give them more money so they play minecraft too?

I like how you think!

Day two of not receiving a letter from BFL's lawyer. Suffice to say, anybody who was in the process of suing BFL but changed their mind because they didn't want a countersuit, can now rest assure that that that's a mute issue. Your lawyer will be able to present this thread to any judge, whereupon he/she will throw out such a libel countersuit.

It was because I was approached by three different people siting concerns about sueing BFL and getting countersued that I opted to take it upon myself to try to get sue. As all can clearly see, the thieving bastards thought it wasn't worth their time to sue a piece of shit named Bruno Kucinskas residing at 406 W. Center St. in Sandwich, IL, who just so happens to have a totem pole in his yard depicting an image of Honest Abe.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to some barn wood to clean that I stole last night, coupled with stealing more funds from Bitcoin 100, per jizz-face Josh Zerlan.  ::)

I like how you think!

Day two of not receiving a letter from BFL's lawyer. Suffice to say, anybody who was in the process of suing BFL but changed their mind because they didn't want a countersuit, can now rest assure that that that's a mute issue. Your lawyer will be able to present this thread to any judge, whereupon he/she will throw out such a libel countersuit.

It was because I was approached by three different people siting concerns about sueing BFL and getting countersued that I opted to take it upon myself to try to get sue. As all can clearly see, the thieving bastards thought it wasn't worth their time to sue a piece of shit named Bruno Kucinskas residing at 406 W. Center St. in Sandwich, IL, who just so happens to have a totem pole in his yard depicting an image of Honest Abe.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to some barn wood to clean that I stole last night, coupled with stealing more funds from Bitcoin 100, per jizz-face Josh Zerlan.  ::)

Are you saying that asshole accused you of stealing from Bitcoin100? Does the idiot know that all transactions are visible in the blockchain? Hell, you covered donations (out of your own pocket) for deadbeats that pledged funds in the beginning but failed to send the coin. I hope he lips off in person to someone in real life, like he does here, that beats his pussy ass into the ground.

Yea! The fuckturd even thinks I have a site on the side collecting funds in the name of Bitcoin 100 and pocketing the money. I challenged him to find such a site and if he does I request that I be permanently banned from BitcoinTalk.

I honestly believe that Josh won't let BFL's lawyer sue me because he would be instructed by his lawyer to not direct any futher conversation toward me, and that would make him sad.

Before I entered on the BFL mining scene, Josh was the big bully sticking it up a myriad of bitcoiners asses. I felt so left out, I wanted some that action to show him how I could be a bigger bully. I don't think he likes it very much when people don't step down from his attacks.

Let me just say this: Josh and Joe WILL be looking for another place to host them miners unless BFL gets them firetraps FCC and UL approved.

For the life of me, how the fuck did BFL not go through the simple process and outlay a few bucks to not have to deal with this issue is beyond me. And to have Josh come along and lie about getting approval in a couple weeks but nary a mention about BFL on the FCC is totally uncalled for. If they lie about this, something we know not to be true, what the fuck else are they lying about?

BFL and Josh would rather attack those asking questions and presenting facts then remedy situations like any viable entity would do.

How Sonny Vleisides is able to promote lottery and sports betting schemes on his webspawning site is also beyond me. Needless to say, his probation officer is well aware of such pages. The only thing left for me to continue doing is to warn as many bitcoiners as possible to get outta BFL while the gettin' out is good.

Afterwards, Josh we be here lying his ass off about how he was left in the dark and was a victim as well. At such time I will be the first to say, "Fuck you, Josh!"

300 units a day, my ass! Proven to be a lie, yet I'm the one getting attacked.

Josh, go fuck yourself! Sonny, lube your ass! Indy, you father is a thieving prick! Sonny's wife/girlfriend is an idiot for not doing her due diligence by Googling the name Sonny Vleisides and seeing firsthand his lottery scheming past. If she did see it and still opted to be with the prick, then she's a bigger idiot because of it.

Sonny promised after his first two posts that he'll be back to post more. We're still waiting, asshole! Changed your ways, my ass! All we've seen is lies, lies, and more lies. You even had to hire the poor little Josh to lie for you some more while you scam your ass off on your webspawner and lottery/sportsbook landing pages sites in the comfort your own little office.

And to think I'm the crazy guy here. Well, fuckturds, you all have another thing coming. I'm playing to win. And win I shall. You guys have fucked up big time!

Haha this is so awesome.  Quoting it so you can't go back and change it later.

PS - Why are you so obsessed with jizz?

Smiles, time to bring Phinnaeaus Gage to the airport in Russia :)

Now, how the fuck did you know it was I that's claiming to know who the person is behind Zombo.com?

holy shit, is that satoshi?

You'll never guess what I received in the mail today. One guess per person.

You'll never guess what I received in the mail today. One guess per person.

So far, two wrong guesses. Hint: It was something?

A cease and desist order?

Oddly, no letter yet from BFL's lawyers. I find it fuckin' amazing that a person tries to get sue for the same thing BFL threatened others with if they continue to following through with their lawsuit toward them, yet can't get sued.

I will try this one more time. Sonny Vleisides is a thief and will close down BF Labs Inc., taking all the pre-order money on deposit with him wherever he decides to run after his probation period is up come September 15, 2013.

BFL has lawyers?  Are these the same ones who set up their corporation?  <--- trick question!

I think the only lawyer any principals of BFL need is a good criminal defense lawyer, emphasis on the "criminal" part.

Better Call Saul!

Meet Sonny's brother: www.linkedin.com/pub/greg-vleisides/8/85b/610

8 more days!

PG - This is the dumbest shit you have ever said.  Its not even worth suing someone for less then 50k these days.  Even that amount is questionable.  I doubt it would be worth the time to sue you.  I doubt you have any money they could collect on.  Saying you would put a broomstick up Josh's ass if he was standing in front of you?  Thats practically a terrorist threat. 

If you want to put your action where your mouth is, I dare you to put up a $50k escrow, where a registered arbitration company decides who keeps it based on you proving your claims.  If your not willing to do that, you should either STFU with your stupid negativity, or be banned from these forums. 

The ponit is, you provide nothing new to these forums and only serve to corrupt and add negativity to every single thread you post on.  Someone posts anything BFL related, you can be fucking sure PG is there trolling it up. 

Your thoughts are fucking clear.  No one needs to listen to your stupid fucking rants day after day.  You poison this forum with your negativity.  How the fucking mods have let you go on this long with no warnings is beyond me.  I cant be the only one who thinks you drove your point down into the ground, out the other side of the earth into fucking orbit. 

If you keep this shit up adding no constructive discourse to this forum, I'll either make it my personal mission in life to get you banned from this forum or I'll leave this forum in protest for them allowing trolling.  I have no problem with you but your seriously acting like a fucking OCD patient in a psyche ward.

Jesus FUCKING CHRIST.

@Therymos Can we please give this guy a warning or a ban or something?

I think you've compleatley missed the point of this entire thread.
PG, Here, is countering BFL's bullcrap words and threats, with their own, equal amount of bullcrap fed right back at them.
BFL kept threating to sue people, while at the same time saying things that are "practically a terrorist threat"
So PG went "okay, If BFL is serious about sueing (wich i know they are full of shit about) im going to expose that by asking for a lawsuit, so come here BFL and sue me just like you said you would another forum member"

Sure, I get that.  I didn't get pissed until PG keeps deleting my posts.  He is obviously not interested in honest debate about the subject and only wants a huge circle jerk where everyone agrees with him.  at least 1 entire page of people disagreeing with him has been deleted as of the time of this post.  Can someone please quote me so this doesn't get deleted as well?  I have been watching BFL threads since I'm a customer and every single thread, PG is half the thread doing his clown show.  I find it rude.  I also find it rude that he keeps deleting my posts. 

-snip-

I think you've compleatley missed the point of this entire thread.
PG, Here, is countering BFL's bullcrap words and threats, with their own, equal amount of bullcrap fed right back at them.
BFL kept threating to sue people, while at the same time saying things that are "practically a terrorist threat"
So PG went "okay, If BFL is serious about sueing (wich i know they are full of shit about) im going to expose that by asking for a lawsuit, so come here BFL and sue me just like you said you would another forum member"

I have been in contact (they contacted me first) three people who've all stated that in no uncertain terms that they either dropped charges or opted to not pursue BFL due to BFL threatening them with a libel lawsuit.

It was after I received the third response that I took it upon myself to try to get sue throwing everything possible at them,

Sadly, I see BFL ripping off the backs of those who've worked so hard for their money, as Sonny Vleisides has so cleverly ripped off the elderly in the past with his lottery scheme.

I'd like to see those threats... Presumably not a letter from a lawyer or anything like that.

Presumably Josh Zerlan yelling and threatening desperate BFL customers, per usual.


Past and present, it seems... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=webspawner+lottery

Oh my fucking god... He's not going to stop untill he can't continue, someone needs to toss his ass in prison!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.msg1207670#msg1207670

Hello, my name is Sonny Vleisides.  I've been involved in technology and libertarian focused ventures for most of my adult life.  I believe very strongly in freedom, honesty and personal responsibility.

I decided to drop university studies at UMKC back in 1991.  My mother wasn't very happy about it, but with youthful ambition and no sense, I set out to travel the world instead.  I've lived in Russia, Indonesia, Latin America, Europe etc...  Mostly seeking opportunity while trying to learn what I could.  Along the way, libertarian ideals became more interesting than any other and looking back, it's clear that's the attraction that's pulled me through life from one focus to the next.  The internet was an exciting development.  

I started webspawner.com in 1995. It was my focus for many years.  Do a search for 'free webpages' on google.  I'm currently president of that company, not BFL.

...

Everything was fine until one day I was picked up while traveling in Florence.  It was a sealed indictment, so I had no idea what was going on.  I spent the next two years fighting extradition.  The case went all the way to the Italian Supreme Court.  In the end, I was extradited after the US was made to drop half of the charges. That's all they could do for me, but they really helped.  I'll always be thankful to Italy for that.

In the US, I was preparing for my case.  It had been a long slog. My finances had dwindled to zero, leaving me with a free court appointed lawyer from the legal pool.  He showed me that the US federal system had a 97% conviction rate...  higher than the Russian courts under Stalin.  He calmly informed me that I was facing full life without possibility of parole as a first time white collar defendant.

Yes..  really.  This is no joke.  It's called the federal sentencing guidelines implemented in 1984.  It's the point system that determines the sentence, not the judge.  My points totaled 43.  Life in prison.  Look it up and prepare to be amazed.

After two and a half years preparing, we neared trial.  The prosecutor calls for a meeting and offers me a deal.  I can go home if I accept a single count of mail fraud and skip the trial.  

They would drop 23 charges and leave me with a simple postal violation (lesser count of mail fraud).  I thought about it and it didn't take long for me to agree to get the shackles off.  I signed and went home to my Mother's house in Kansas City.  I sat there looking at the wall for a long time.  

I didn't feel like leaving the house much.  It was difficult to get over the emotional loss.  My life was ruined.  Mom got me an account on match.com and encouraged me to date.  I met a wonderful girl and we had a little boy.  We named him Indy.  

My life continued and I started to look for a new project to begin again.  A fresh start.  I'm on a good track now, trying to put the past behind me.




Somewhere along the way, I got involved with the BFL project.  (No one from the indictment is involved in this company, in fact two of them have since died including my father.)  

With regards to BFL, I'm proud to have played a role in it's start up and focus on the current products, but I am not a majority owner.  

The company has 22 employees who are all dedicated and focused on delivering a truly amazing best in class product.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.msg1207670#msg1207670

Search Warrant Evidence

26. On July 6, 2006, several search warrants were executed at addresses in California, Georgia, and Missouri. The searches yielded the following evidence, as well as other information:

i. A word processing document stating: This is a fraud that has been going on for many years. Millions of dollars have been stolen from people that cannot afford it. The mailings originate from Little Rock, AR-cancelled at 722. The mail then goes to . . . Amsterdam in the Netherlands. From there it is sent by DHL to . . . Costa Rica. Atlas Informaticos to be held for pick up at the DHL office... The master mind behind this scam is James Ray Houston apx. 60 years old. He gained fame in 1974 when he ran for Governor in Nevada. His accomplice is Sonny Vleisides apx. 30 years old. Both from Kansas City originally .... However, these guys are very slick and try very hard not put their names on anything.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/106417808/Affidavit-for-Extradition-Warrant

WTF is webspawner, and what does it have to do with anything?


Sonny owns and runs Butterfly Labs. "And tries very hard not to put his name on things."

(According to sworn testimony in USA vs. Sonny Vleisides.)


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.msg1206567#msg1206567

WTF is webspawner, and what does it have to do with anything?


Sonny owns and runs Butterfly Labs. "And tries very hard not to put his name on things."

(According to sworn testimony in USA vs. Sonny Vleisides.)


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.msg1206567#msg1206567

Thank you all for your comments...  both positive and negative.  I see many of our competitors in this thread pushing their agenda which isn't surprising but still, there are some very reasonable posts with deserving questions.  Overall, I appreciate the public's reason for concern and I will return and provide answers.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110868.msg1210400#msg1210400

I don't know why you guys are gettng on Sonny, he said he'd be back to answer the questions:


Just because it's been eleven months since TO THE DAY that he assured us he'd be back to answer all the questions... why you are worried?

8 more days!