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Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: bittawm on December 16, 2017, 03:03:40 AM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january


UPDATE:

We have an email from Baikal dated 9th Jan asking for contact phone number because they were / are close to shipping

https://s18.postimg.org/s7osb2ygl/baikal2_1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/s7osb2ygl/)


We also have skype transcripts


https://s18.postimg.org/pp33alfd1/baikal2_2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/pp33alfd1/)



ORDERS SHIPPED


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: GunsN on December 16, 2017, 07:07:19 AM
Price is unreal.
good luck


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Ironeinstein on December 16, 2017, 08:08:12 AM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january






Do you have any kind of insider assurance they will actually ship in January? Working prototype, etc? Last I heard baikal wasn't taking preorders yet and hadn't announced price/ship date.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: igotek on December 16, 2017, 08:24:20 AM
I think they havent started the receiveing pre-orders. ???


and which country will you ship from ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 16, 2017, 08:32:27 AM
I think they havent started the receiveing pre-orders. ???


and which country will you ship from ?

Shipping from New Zealand or direct from manufacturer if your quantity is 10 units or more.

They have not officially started taking orders for the Giant B But I have committed to an order


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 16, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january






Do you have any kind of insider assurance they will actually ship in January? Working prototype, etc? Last I heard baikal wasn't taking preorders yet and hadn't announced price/ship date.

I cannot guarantee a delivery time, I wish I could but I cannot. Rest assured there will be no delays from bittawmart


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: oomurashin on December 16, 2017, 06:57:15 PM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january
can you ship to Japan? via DHL




Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: craigh on December 16, 2017, 07:28:21 PM

If you contact Baikal directly, they will tell you We just have basic algorithm specification of Baikal Giant-B.

So, just be careful about believing a January delivery date from any third party!

C.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Frizz23 on December 16, 2017, 07:31:39 PM
How can one preorder when there is no official announcement with pricing or availability.

Pls be careful people.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 16, 2017, 08:34:16 PM
How can one preorder when there is no official announcement with pricing or availability.

Pls be careful people.

excuse me?

I have a proven track record with baikals.

7 different group buy / promotion threads

If you have been around the forums you would know that we have a close relationship with baikal.

We were one of the first if not the first to secure an order.

We will continue to get early orders in the future because of our close relationship.

We have been the official reseller for multiple miners and have been fully vetted.

Thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 16, 2017, 08:35:20 PM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january
can you ship to Japan? via DHL




yes we can, we also ship with DHL


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: oomurashin on December 17, 2017, 06:41:44 AM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january
can you ship to Japan? via DHL




yes we can, we also ship with DHL

1pic paid!!  waiting for great products!


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 17, 2017, 08:55:58 AM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january
can you ship to Japan? via DHL




yes we can, we also ship with DHL

1pic paid!!  waiting for great products!

Awesome, we appreciate your support :)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 18, 2017, 08:11:56 AM
many available guys,

we appreciate the positive response


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Imnotarobot23 on December 18, 2017, 09:17:10 AM
Can anyone verify https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/pasc?HashingPower=40&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=210&CostPerkWh=0.081


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 18, 2017, 10:22:52 AM
Can anyone verify https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/pasc?HashingPower=40&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=210&CostPerkWh=0.081

its actually 4 times more profitable than that on LBRY


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: fabfab82 on December 23, 2017, 04:14:46 AM
Hi,

If i buy on your site today. How sure can you be, that i will be on first batch?

Fabian


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: malthrax on December 23, 2017, 04:18:37 AM
Can anyone verify https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator/pasc?HashingPower=40&HashingUnit=GH%2Fs&PowerConsumption=210&CostPerkWh=0.081

That can't possibly be right.  If the device pays for itself in 2 months time, why wouldn't the seller just use them himself?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: transcoderm on December 23, 2017, 05:58:15 AM
Did you just disable Credit Card payment? About to complete the order and CC option is not available.  ???


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 23, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Did you just disable Credit Card payment? About to complete the order and CC option is not available.  ???

we are changing credit card payment processors, apologies for the inconvenience, temporarily only crypto  payment is accepted


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: transcoderm on December 23, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
Did you just disable Credit Card payment? About to complete the order and CC option is not available.  ???

we are changing credit card payment processors, apologies for the inconvenience, temporarily only crypto  payment is accepted

Glad it's only temporary because I couldn't pay with Bitcoin.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: cyz0325 on December 27, 2017, 01:38:53 PM
anyone sold?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Servfox on December 27, 2017, 02:21:31 PM
I sent a message through your website. I’m trying hard to be included in the group buy. Have any spots opened up? I just need 1 unit. Can you help me out?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Marvell2 on December 27, 2017, 02:53:55 PM
also interest in one unit


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: miropp on December 27, 2017, 10:43:19 PM
I dont like such "resellers" as you. Instead of possibility to buy directly from Baikal, people as you, asicminermarket buy big quantity and without any add value resell it for many percent above.
It would be better if Baikal will limit number for one customer.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Dlikrot on December 27, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
That's the way the world works. He is fully entitled to sell them without taking any bullcrap from anyone.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: elmejorrematador on December 28, 2017, 05:47:44 AM
Hello, I am interested to buy 1 or 2 units. I saw that credit card payment can be accepted? Can you please advise on how to proceed?

Thank you very much



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Amber Tsai on December 29, 2017, 09:32:36 AM
Hi I am interested to order baikal Giant B or X10, is your stock still available?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bubislav on December 29, 2017, 10:58:39 AM
I would also wish to order one Giant B for if spot is still avalible ....

thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: OneFastGeek on December 29, 2017, 03:21:37 PM
many available guys,

we appreciate the positive response

I'm late to the party and missed out.  Do you anticipate any more units becoming available for order soon?  Do you have a mailing list for new batch notifications?  Thanks.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: oomurashin on December 29, 2017, 03:32:57 PM
its sold out.  :D :D :D


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: craigh on December 29, 2017, 04:01:20 PM
its sold out.  :D :D :D

No it's not. It's not even on sale yet. These are just pre-orders from 1 re-seller. Why not buy directly from Baikal when they open up their order book? It will cost you less.

C.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: maleemk on December 29, 2017, 06:47:28 PM
its sold out.  :D :D :D

No it's not. It's not even on sale yet. These are just pre-orders from 1 re-seller. Why not buy directly from Baikal when they open up their order book? It will cost you less.

C.
I just got email from Baikal

Hi,

Thank you for your patience.

We have received your payment for Giant-B. Kindly note we will contact you again before delivery.


Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attention on our announcement, any news we will update it on there.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: rookyminer on December 29, 2017, 08:39:02 PM
its sold out.  :D :D :D

No it's not. It's not even on sale yet. These are just pre-orders from 1 re-seller. Why not buy directly from Baikal when they open up their order book? It will cost you less.

C.
I just got email from Baikal

Hi,

Thank you for your patience.

We have received your payment for Giant-B. Kindly note we will contact you again before delivery.


Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attention on our announcement, any news we will update it on there.




this is insane, how did you place an order for a device that is not yet on sale?
how much did you pay? for how many Giant-B ?
I tried to get a pre-sale order for 2 devices, and answer from Baikal is
Hi,
Thank you for your contacting.
I am sorry the Giant-B is currently out of stock. Any updates on stock we will let you know by making announcement on facebook/twitter. You can also pay some attention on our website.


so i really don't understand how Baikal company can sell devices that are not produced yet, furthermore, when there is no cost announced!

i would need some help to understand, all these bad communication points are bad for Baikal.



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Alexertor on December 29, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
These are serious rigs my friend.
Anyone want to buy me a present :)
I have never had even a chance to see a Baikal :(


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: harrj on December 29, 2017, 10:13:09 PM
I am interested, shipping to Canada?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: maleemk on December 29, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
its sold out.  :D :D :D

No it's not. It's not even on sale yet. These are just pre-orders from 1 re-seller. Why not buy directly from Baikal when they open up their order book? It will cost you less.

C.
I just got email from Baikal

Hi,

Thank you for your patience.

We have received your payment for Giant-B. Kindly note we will contact you again before delivery.


Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attention on our announcement, any news we will update it on there.




this is insane, how did you place an order for a device that is not yet on sale?
how much did you pay? for how many Giant-B ?
I tried to get a pre-sale order for 2 devices, and answer from Baikal is
Hi,
Thank you for your contacting.
I am sorry the Giant-B is currently out of stock. Any updates on stock we will let you know by making announcement on facebook/twitter. You can also pay some attention on our website.


so i really don't understand how Baikal company can sell devices that are not produced yet, furthermore, when there is no cost announced!

i would need some help to understand, all these bad communication points are bad for Baikal.


Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
I have personally bought 30 Gaint X10s from him, He is my easy to go Plan B, (Buying Directly from Baikal is my Plan A).
P.S I have also bought 22 Gaint X10s directly from Baikal.
On the Giant B I have ordered 12 Directly from Baikal and I will order more from BITTAWM may be 2-4 depends, as pre orders are close now.
Most of you are New here, we have been buying these miners for over year now, so we have our ways and we constantly look for any news from Baikal, weather its FB or Twitter or BCT. So stop complaining and PAY ATTENTION.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: maleemk on December 29, 2017, 10:24:47 PM
I am interested, shipping to Canada?
.
Yes I am in Mississauga. But I am buyer not a seller. Contact BITTAWN.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: harrj on December 29, 2017, 10:58:39 PM
Shows sold out on site, should I pm him or is there another way to contact?
thx


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: miropp on December 30, 2017, 12:47:31 AM

Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
"resellers" - you mean people which sell these miners with very high profit without any add value?
I dont like such people.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: maleemk on December 30, 2017, 05:54:32 AM

Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
"resellers" - you mean people which sell these miners with very high profit without any add value?
I dont like such people.
GOOD FOR YOU


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: fanrazy on December 30, 2017, 12:21:41 PM
When will be avalaible to make the pre-order ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: rookyminer on December 30, 2017, 08:50:58 PM

Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
"resellers" - you mean people which sell these miners with very high profit without any add value?
I dont like such people.

so do I.

asicminer market...8K$....crazy sheep...
the less expensive i've read about was a group buy with itop.


Quote
Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums. 
I have personally bought 30 Gaint X10s from him, He is my easy to go Plan B, (Buying Directly from Baikal is my Plan A).
P.S I have also bought 22 Gaint X10s directly from Baikal.
On the Giant B I have ordered 12 Directly from Baikal and I will order more from BITTAWM may be 2-4 depends, as pre orders are close now.
Most of you are New here, we have been buying these miners for over year now, so we have our ways and we constantly look for any news from Baikal, weather its FB or Twitter or BCT. So stop complaining and PAY ATTENTION.


no lack of knowledge here my friend, i might be new to the mining stuff, but not new to buy stuff in general  ;D (and i am not crazy enough to throw 5K€ through the window on something i did not read enough...well maybe i am in fact :D)
i think you'll agree with me that buying directly from the company is always better in term of cost effectiveness, and this is what i tried to do.

but Baikal do not communicate well at all, whatever the weather we're using, they do not provide the same level of information to the possible customers coming to them. (do you see the price of the giant-B on there website? on FB? twitter? when it will be released? shipped?)
I tested it with few different email addresses, skype.
they never answered/communicated to me about the price, the minimum quantity, the shipping fees, the VAT...just always typical messages that do not bring valuable information to move forward.
and this, regarless if i asked to get such information.
so this isn't a complain but more like a fact/report i am sharing, but i totally respect your point of view.
so i am sorry pal, but truly this is bad communication.

i might be wrong, but as a new here, i feel like everything is done by the sellers/resellers to keep the coins in the hands of the people who already have a mountain of it.

you've been a new guy as well and i am sure you understand that new people can't all start by buying a farm of 30 devices, especially if resellers are doubling the price.


and sorry if my English is a bit rusty, as you can imagine, it's not my first language  ;)





Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: RadFX on December 30, 2017, 09:04:39 PM
Hello all,

So I'm trying to follow what's happening here with the Giant B - is BITTAW actually sold out, or has he just not received the batch?

I'd really love to purchase a couple.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: rookyminer on December 30, 2017, 09:07:35 PM
Hello all,

So I'm trying to follow what's happening here with the Giant B - is BITTAW actually sold out, or has he just not received the batch?

I'd really love to purchase a couple.

good question, website of reseller is saying sold out, but eitherway i've sent an email to James,
not sure to have a quick feedback as per the new year celebration coming up.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 31, 2017, 02:18:42 AM
Hello all,

So I'm trying to follow what's happening here with the Giant B - is BITTAW actually sold out, or has he just not received the batch?

I'd really love to purchase a couple.

Hey guys, we have recieved an overwhelming response to the GAINT BS, they sold out within days, we are working hard to secure more


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on December 31, 2017, 02:19:48 AM
Hello all,

So I'm trying to follow what's happening here with the Giant B - is BITTAW actually sold out, or has he just not received the batch?

I'd really love to purchase a couple.

nothing is in stock. we are allwaiting for giant bs


as soon as they are delivered to me they will be reshipped


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: BKMining on December 31, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
Serious machine! Keep us posted about your next batch, I have no issue buying from you and would love to do business with you in the future.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: tummymumma on December 31, 2017, 10:45:34 PM
Hello all,

So I'm trying to follow what's happening here with the Giant B - is BITTAW actually sold out, or has he just not received the batch?

I'd really love to purchase a couple.

Hey guys, we have recieved an overwhelming response to the GAINT BS, they sold out within days, we are working hard to secure more

I hope you do secure more as its hard to know who to trust.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: peffplepp on January 01, 2018, 09:22:02 PM
Do you ship to sweden and does it cost extra?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 01, 2018, 09:23:01 PM
Hey guys, I am getting constantly flurries of emails asking the same question:

"can I buy giant B or x10"

if it is not listed for sale in stock on website......then it is not for sale

as you know we are always working to secure more hardware

Cheers guys


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: shaninium on January 01, 2018, 10:09:52 PM

Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
"resellers" - you mean people which sell these miners with very high profit without any add value?
I dont like such people.

so do I.

asicminer market...8K$....crazy sheep...
the less expensive i've read about was a group buy with itop.


Quote
Its not bad communication from Baikal its your lack of knowledge and research, You can still buy these miners from Resellers, look for them in these forums, I can personally recommend BITTAWM he is the most legit in these forums.  
I have personally bought 30 Gaint X10s from him, He is my easy to go Plan B, (Buying Directly from Baikal is my Plan A).
P.S I have also bought 22 Gaint X10s directly from Baikal.
On the Giant B I have ordered 12 Directly from Baikal and I will order more from BITTAWM may be 2-4 depends, as pre orders are close now.
Most of you are New here, we have been buying these miners for over year now, so we have our ways and we constantly look for any news from Baikal, weather its FB or Twitter or BCT. So stop complaining and PAY ATTENTION.


no lack of knowledge here my friend, i might be new to the mining stuff, but not new to buy stuff in general  ;D (and i am not crazy enough to throw 5K€ through the window on something i did not read enough...well maybe i am in fact :D)
i think you'll agree with me that buying directly from the company is always better in term of cost effectiveness, and this is what i tried to do.

but Baikal do not communicate well at all, whatever the weather we're using, they do not provide the same level of information to the possible customers coming to them. (do you see the price of the giant-B on there website? on FB? twitter? when it will be released? shipped?)
I tested it with few different email addresses, skype.
they never answered/communicated to me about the price, the minimum quantity, the shipping fees, the VAT...just always typical messages that do not bring valuable information to move forward.
and this, regarless if i asked to get such information.
so this isn't a complain but more like a fact/report i am sharing, but i totally respect your point of view.
so i am sorry pal, but truly this is bad communication.

i might be wrong, but as a new here, i feel like everything is done by the sellers/resellers to keep the coins in the hands of the people who already have a mountain of it.

you've been a new guy as well and i am sure you understand that new people can't all start by buying a farm of 30 devices, especially if resellers are doubling the price.


and sorry if my English is a bit rusty, as you can imagine, it's not my first language  ;)





You could have spent 10s of thousands of dollars having to buy the minimum  order quantity direct from baikal when they were available  for sale. Per unit it is cheaper  than  resellers. But your better off paying a premium from a trusted reseller  if you want only 1 or 2 cause there is less risk in your total investment costs. Future estimated profits are not guaranteed.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: cyz0325 on January 02, 2018, 07:59:07 AM
when is second pre-sold ?  I want to buy in China.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: kroll999 on January 02, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
I am interested in buying it, possibly in a buying group.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Tough_Guy on January 02, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
ETA on stock?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 02, 2018, 05:32:36 PM
Hi there, Ive just sent you a message via your website but just wanted to ask how to purchase /reserve/ place deposit for next order if thats possible. UK based and funds available. Thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 02, 2018, 06:11:37 PM
How did you send the message via their website tho? Did see the option to do so there. only email


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 02, 2018, 06:15:41 PM
Thats correct, Email message only. Ive contacted Baikal direct and asked if possible to place an order for 10 units, don't now what the response will be but you never know, might just get lucky :)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: fynxgloire on January 02, 2018, 11:03:41 PM
Also interested in purchasing one unit.

Can someone explain which coins that the 3 blake algorithms that are included with this miner are?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 03, 2018, 02:55:32 AM
Thats correct, Email message only. Ive contacted Baikal direct and asked if possible to place an order for 10 units, don't now what the response will be but you never know, might just get lucky :)


Ahh..Idk man. It seems hopeless, since I ve tried everything. They responded to me nowhere but in skype, with their typical :" Thank you for your contacting.
 Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attetion on our announcement, any news we will update it on there. Please understand we do have no news could share with you at the moment.
www.baikalminer.com
https://twitter.com/baikalminer
https://business.facebook.com/baikalminer.offical/?business_id=1354738364573505 ". Refreshing their website and socials on a regular basis.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Searing on January 03, 2018, 03:00:31 AM
Thats correct, Email message only. Ive contacted Baikal direct and asked if possible to place an order for 10 units, don't now what the response will be but you never know, might just get lucky :)


Ahh..Idk man. It seems hopeless, since I ve tried everything. They responded to me nowhere but in skype, with their typical :" Thank you for your contacting.
 Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attetion on our announcement, any news we will update it on there. Please understand we do have no news could share with you at the moment.
www.baikalminer.com
https://twitter.com/baikalminer
https://business.facebook.com/baikalminer.offical/?business_id=1354738364573505 ". Refreshing their website and socials on a regular basis.

So the usual clusterF*ck with them.....even if you get an order thru...the last 2 big orders I tried last summer they sold out from under me

I wonder if those guys ever got their $$ back on wire xfers....i think they just got 'credit' fat lot of good it does to order from these guys if they over sell

not sure, I'd trust them with a wire xfer....they can't ship sh*t



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: xl719d4 on January 03, 2018, 03:07:31 AM
I think they havent started the receiveing pre-orders. ???


and which country will you ship from ?

Shipping from New Zealand or direct from manufacturer if your quantity is 10 units or more.

They have not officially started taking orders for the Giant B But I have committed to an order

Fellow kiwi are ya?  Could be keen to grab one if you can acquire more stock or have a cancellation.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 03, 2018, 04:49:13 PM


So the usual clusterF*ck with them.....even if you get an order thru...the last 2 big orders I tried last summer they sold out from under me

I wonder if those guys ever got their $$ back on wire xfers....i think they just got 'credit' fat lot of good it does to order from these guys if they over sell

not sure, I'd trust them with a wire xfer....they can't ship sh*t


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Yeah..Wish it was just like Bitmain. That 'd be a great pleasure.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: kotlarz on January 03, 2018, 05:13:17 PM
Came across this earlier today due for release MARCH 2018

The DragonMint 16T is the worlds most efficient Bitcoin miner, operating at 16TH and runs 30% cooler.

At the wall power consumption of with DragonMint 1600W PSU and dual fans 1432W @ 220V at ambient temperature 25°C. Variation of ±6% is expected.

DragonMint 1600W PSU is included, rated for 220-240V, power cable is not included (standard IEC C14 AC cable).

Minimum order 5 units.

Cost is around the $1600 mark but notice its payment only in BTC!
Which is still vaporware until proven otherwise: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2443327.0


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: dlezama on January 03, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
Came across this earlier today due for release MARCH 2018

The DragonMint 16T is the worlds most efficient Bitcoin miner, operating at 16TH and runs 30% cooler.

At the wall power consumption of with DragonMint 1600W PSU and dual fans 1432W @ 220V at ambient temperature 25°C. Variation of ±6% is expected.

DragonMint 1600W PSU is included, rated for 220-240V, power cable is not included (standard IEC C14 AC cable).

Minimum order 5 units.

Cost is around the $1600 mark but notice its payment only in BTC!
It's quite old news, it's a scam, and it has its own thread.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 03, 2018, 07:44:12 PM
I think they havent started the receiveing pre-orders. ???


and which country will you ship from ?

Shipping from New Zealand or direct from manufacturer if your quantity is 10 units or more.

They have not officially started taking orders for the Giant B But I have committed to an order

Fellow kiwi are ya?  Could be keen to grab one if you can acquire more stock or have a cancellation.

sure am champ


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 03, 2018, 07:46:23 PM
Hey guys,

Still trying to secure more, you all know how hard it is.

I know how much you all want this new piece of kit


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Haryuki on January 03, 2018, 07:53:21 PM
Hey guys,

Still trying to secure more, you all know how hard it is.

I know how much you all want this new piece of kit

I think that we understand ;)

Keep going  ;)

Have you some news about the new batch?

Thx


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 04, 2018, 02:26:00 AM
Hey guys,

Still trying to secure more, you all know how hard it is.

I know how much you all want this new piece of kit

Hey. Thanks a lot man, looking forward for updates.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: tummymumma on January 04, 2018, 02:27:18 AM
Hey guys,

Still trying to secure more, you all know how hard it is.

I know how much you all want this new piece of kit

We know your trying..... and thanks for keeping us updated


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: aussois on January 04, 2018, 03:38:00 AM
Really hoping to somehow snag one of theses. Assuming everyone is getting “no stock” replies to emails, if at all?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 04, 2018, 04:39:03 AM

Don't know if this is pure luck but just made contact directly with baikal sales (double checked and it's genuine email address) and they have said that their ready to take my order on giant x10. I've asked for 6 and I'm now just awaiting payment instructions. Is this just a generic response? Idk but fingers crossed will soon be able to place order


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: aussois on January 04, 2018, 04:55:13 AM

Don't know if this is pure luck but just made contact directly with baikal sales (double checked and it's genuine email address) and they have said that their ready to take my order on giant x10. I've asked for 6 and I'm now just awaiting payment instructions. Is this just a generic response? Idk but fingers crossed will soon be able to place order

Not looking for the B?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 04, 2018, 05:03:32 AM
Enquired for the b but got a reply regarding the x10. I've also just asked if possible to place order for 10 units Giant B and now await a response


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: aussois on January 04, 2018, 05:13:37 AM
Enquired for the b but got a reply regarding the x10. I've also just asked if possible to place order for 10 units Giant B and now await a response

Are the x10s pricey? Assuming if resellers are moving the G’s at  $4400 they are less than that direct


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 04, 2018, 05:36:49 AM
Enquired for the b but got a reply regarding the x10. I've also just asked if possible to place order for 10 units Giant B and now await a response

They are out of stock as stated. We are getting a ton of emails asking when they will be back in stock. we do not know yet


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Haryuki on January 04, 2018, 05:53:20 AM
We're wainting  ;)

Thanks for all


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: aussois on January 04, 2018, 06:18:27 AM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: dlezama on January 04, 2018, 06:28:27 AM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 04, 2018, 06:31:57 AM
I've just received email back from Baikal saying that I can now place my order for Giant B. Payment to be made within 24 hrs and with BTC. Its looks genuine but it sounds to good to be true doesn't it!??


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 04, 2018, 08:43:09 AM
I've just received email back from Baikal saying that I can now place my order for Giant B. Payment to be made within 24 hrs and with BTC. Its looks genuine but it sounds to good to be true doesn't it!??

make sure you have the right baikal


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Haryuki on January 04, 2018, 08:56:54 AM
Strange,

I received an email this morning

«Hi,

Thank you for your contacting.
 Now we don’t have any miner for sale. please pay some attetion on our announcement, any news we will update it on there. Please understand we do have no news could share with you at the moment.»

My question was when the next batch will be.



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: crypto-world on January 04, 2018, 09:03:58 AM
Many resellers sell Baikal Giant B in Alibaba. Fake or not?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 04, 2018, 09:10:00 AM
Many resellers sell Baigal B in Alibaba. Fake or not?

most on aliexpress are fake

ASICMINERMARKET ARE SCAMMERS TOO


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: sil2222 on January 04, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒

Ok This is the situation. Baikal is stating delivery Baikal B 160 ghs  by January if they keep delivery promised you will be able to mine at high profit until June. In June there is Obelisk releasing dcr1 1500 ghs 28 nm semi custom asic and the sia miner SC1 800ghs. Then there is another company DCRasic which will be releasing the Materia 1 Turbo full custom asic 16 nm with hash rate of 3 ths (impressive) . So Baikal B with FPGA chips running at 160 ghs cannot compete with the new miners released in June and will only be profitable with LBRY and pascal. So this would be a high risk investment.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Papaspider on January 04, 2018, 12:08:22 PM
Thank you for the advice.
I want to get into ASIC mining.  The Baikal Giant B seems to good to be true. Still would love to get one, or two and sell them in June.
I guess I should get in the preorders for the 2nd batch of Obelisk which will ship on or before August 31, 2018. Which miner, the one for Decred with the DCR1 miner or Siacoin with the SC1?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: mifer2311 on January 04, 2018, 01:07:23 PM
Hey all.

Back again with this cool new product:

Baikal Giant B:

Blake256R14/Blake256R8/Blake2B/Lbry/Pascal
Hash Rate:
Blake256R14 - 160GHS - 410w
Blake256R8 - 160GHS - 260w
Blake2B - 80GHS - 300w
Lbry - 40GHS - 400w
Pascal - 40GHS - 210w

Power supply:ATX Power(12V 6Pin connector * 6)
Interface:1 X Ethernet
Temp Operation:0 ~ 40 ℃
Dimension:312mm(L) x 125mm(W) x 130(H)
Weight:3800g


Buy here: https://bittawmart.com/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january



I'm interested in a giant-b, send to Brazil? When?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: stugots2 on January 04, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.

june batch is sold on (Directly from them anyway) its August now


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: tummymumma on January 04, 2018, 02:08:30 PM
I've just received email back from Baikal saying that I can now place my order for Giant B. Payment to be made within 24 hrs and with BTC. Its looks genuine but it sounds to good to be true doesn't it!??


Careful,

There are a lot of scammers.   Alot of fake Baikal Skype addresses and emails etc... I thought Baikal only accepted payment of type USD?  Just be careful TeamPaws --


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 04, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.
Hey, thanks for info about obelisk. So what your thoughts on it? have u made it to first batch? It is us based company isnt it?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Dudukian on January 04, 2018, 05:44:48 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.
Hey, thanks for info about obelisk. So what your thoughts on it? have u made it to first batch? It is us based company isnt it?

 If people think the Giant B is a risk , the Obelisk is much worse .  Sia coin has never been very profitable for mining and will get much worse  . It's a real sh*t coin IMO for other reasons as well.    Decred has been the best coin of these two miners but will be flooded with new hashing power causing a rapid decline in profitability.  However , it may be abandoned by convention GPU miners which could create a rebound of sorts for the asics.

   The best position for both short and long term is to have the Giant B mine Library ,  Pascal or Pascal Lite .    This should be a profitable niche for quite some time.  Library and Pascal have always been decent B grade contenders , but the Giant B could be a real game changer .  I don't expect Library to be profitable at $19,000 per month like it is today , but $3500 would be excellent for the next few months.  Blake coin is the other coin that probably won't see action unless both LBRY and Pascal were to tank.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: dlezama on January 04, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.
Hey, thanks for info about obelisk. So what your thoughts on it? have u made it to first batch? It is us based company isnt it?

 If people think the Giant B is a risk , the Obelisk is much worse .  Sia coin has never been very profitable for mining and will get much worse  . It's a real sh*t coin IMO for other reasons as well.    Decred has been the best coin of these two miners but will be flooded with new hashing power causing a rapid decline in profitability.  However , it may be abandoned by convention GPU miners which could create a rebound of sorts for the asics.

   The best position for both short and long term is to have the Giant B mine Library ,  Pascal or Pascal Lite .    This should be a profitable niche for quite some time.  Library and Pascal have always been decent B grade contenders , but the Giant B could be a real game changer .  I don't expect Library to be profitable at $19,000 per month like it is today , but $3500 would be excellent for the next few months.  Blake coin is the other coin that probably won't see action unless both LBRY and Pascal were to tank.
For me the big difference here is the company behind the miners. Communicating with Baikal is a nightmare, good luck if you have any issue. Obelisk is unproven since it never shipped anything, but you can easily communicate with them, and they are US based, what gives some legal guarantees.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: TeamPaws on January 04, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
I've just received email back from Baikal saying that I can now place my order for Giant B. Payment to be made within 24 hrs and with BTC. Its looks genuine but it sounds to good to be true doesn't it!??


Careful,

There are a lot of scammers.   Alot of fake Baikal Skype addresses and emails etc... I thought Baikal only accepted payment of type USD?  Just be careful TeamPaws --

Yeah i noticed on closer inspection a slight change of spelling on their email address , ive sacked the idea of mining for now and will just stick with the buying of alt :)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: nsummy on January 04, 2018, 06:53:50 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.
Hey, thanks for info about obelisk. So what your thoughts on it? have u made it to first batch? It is us based company isnt it?

Its a new company that hasn't produced a single product yet.  I think in this day and age buying any altcoin miner is high risk though.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Dudukian on January 04, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
What’s the likelihood these miners sky rocket difficultly into oblivion and the machines make 8 bucks a day, like the D3s on x11. I got burned by D3s 😒
You have to consider Obelisk also, delivering in June or sooner (well, or later). That will take DCR and SIA out of reach, leaving for now only Pascal and Lbry that can get saturated more easily. Also Baikal (and most suppliers) can be late. I definitely think it's high risk, I actually passed on this one.
Hey, thanks for info about obelisk. So what your thoughts on it? have u made it to first batch? It is us based company isnt it?

Its a new company that hasn't produced a single product yet.  I think in this day and age buying any altcoin miner is high risk though.

  Defiantly high risk.  The muti algo is what makes these particular models different .  I am running 5 GPU mining rigs and have the flexibility of switching coins .  However , my power consumption /profitability ratio is no where near these new asics .  Running 400 watts instead of 4,000 is a nice advantage.   Also my rigs turn the house into a sauna from the heat . 


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: oomurashin on January 04, 2018, 09:15:47 PM
hi,bittaw
Is jaiant B you bought from you at the end of January as planned?  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 04, 2018, 09:24:02 PM
hi,bittaw
Is jaiant B you bought from you at the end of January as planned?  ;) ;) ;)

So far we have not heard of any delays


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: alexhjelm on January 04, 2018, 09:42:11 PM
hi,bittaw
Is jaiant B you bought from you at the end of January as planned?  ;) ;) ;)

So far we have not heard of any delays

Can you send me your skype in PM?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: RadFX on January 05, 2018, 03:26:21 AM
So is there still any chance of getting in on a purchase for a Giant B sometime before the profitability starts going down?  I’d be happy with even half of the profit per month (not that I want it go down).


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Solovey4ik on January 05, 2018, 03:31:27 AM
Please sign me in for 5-10 in next group buy.
from Canada

Thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 05, 2018, 04:15:56 AM
Yeah..Do agree with your opinions guys. In doubt tho, whether i should make order on one of those obelisks decred miners..sounds great, even if we ll have at least some time before dcrasic comes out or difficulty spikes..


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: Elder III on January 05, 2018, 07:06:51 AM
Does this come with or without a power supply?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: th0r88 on January 05, 2018, 08:29:54 AM
Hi. I'm very interested! Where can I contact you? You can also send me a dm!

Thanks!


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: 1manshow on January 05, 2018, 12:57:27 PM
I'm interested in this buy as well. Any other latest group buy going on where I can register and pay for 1 piece?


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Post by: stugots2 on January 05, 2018, 02:04:49 PM
as I said im down for some when they are available again


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Post by: packetspyke on January 05, 2018, 06:57:24 PM
I would be down to purchase one or two of these when available again.


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Post by: Kunolyb on January 05, 2018, 08:35:52 PM
Watch out for scammers guys! Just got a email from Jeremy C saying that I'm in and told me to transfer 4300 in crypto just like that.



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Post by: stugots2 on January 06, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
Watch out for scammers guys! Just got a email from Jeremy C saying that I'm in and told me to transfer 4300 in crypto just like that.



wheres he from? the company?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM
Post by: bittawm on January 06, 2018, 07:14:37 AM
Does this come with or without a power supply?

 NO PSU


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Post by: bittawm on January 06, 2018, 07:15:20 AM
update:

products are out of stock, we do not know when we will get more, there is no waiting list


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Post by: ibinsad on January 06, 2018, 10:24:17 AM
is possible to receive an email alert when new product is listed in your website ?

I am really interested to buy, but what i need to buy now is sold out.


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Post by: RamerBit on January 06, 2018, 04:16:08 PM
I would like to buy as well. Anybody still have some for sale or when is next batch?


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Post by: bittawm on January 07, 2018, 01:25:03 AM
I would like to buy as well. Anybody still have some for sale or when is next batch?

as soon as we can secure more we will let everybody know


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Post by: ob5idian on January 07, 2018, 08:30:32 AM
First time post...
I've been GPU mining since August 2017 and getting more and more comfortable. Bought two S9s, one of which is happily mining away and the other due for delivery soon.

My question is, has anyone here compiled a list of trusted resellers? After reading (and rereading) posts galore is seems Bittawmart is well received. ITOP is another. There are conflicting reports about asicminermarket, but it as well seems legit (but expensive and poor communicators). Any others to add to this list from your personal experiences?


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Post by: bittawm on January 07, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
First time post...
I've been GPU mining since August 2017 and getting more and more comfortable. Bought two S9s, one of which is happily mining away and the other due for delivery soon.

My question is, has anyone here compiled a list of trusted resellers? After reading (and rereading) posts galore is seems Bittawmart is well received. ITOP is another. There are conflicting reports about asicminermarket, but it as well seems legit (but expensive and poor communicators). Any others to add to this list from your personal experiences?

All of us futurebitmoonlander 2 resellers have been fully vetted by the manufacturer.

double check the futurebitmoonlander 2 thread

Cheers


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Post by: Rogue_322 on January 07, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Btw, have the first buyers' asics been shipped already or not?


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Post by: ob5idian on January 08, 2018, 07:07:16 AM
First time post...
I've been GPU mining since August 2017 and getting more and more comfortable. Bought two S9s, one of which is happily mining away and the other due for delivery soon.

My question is, has anyone here compiled a list of trusted resellers? After reading (and rereading) posts galore is seems Bittawmart is well received. ITOP is another. There are conflicting reports about asicminermarket, but it as well seems legit (but expensive and poor communicators). Any others to add to this list from your personal experiences?

All of us futurebitmoonlander 2 resellers have been fully vetted by the manufacturer.

double check the futurebitmoonlander 2 thread

Cheers

Thank you for taking the time. You just made my day!


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Post by: bittawm on January 08, 2018, 10:06:20 AM
Btw, have the first buyers' asics been shipped already or not?

we have not received a waybill yet


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Post by: big_daddy on January 08, 2018, 10:31:16 AM
seems legit, please can you tell me when will the new stock be available
very interested to buy some
do You have some bulk discount?


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Post by: TeamPaws on January 08, 2018, 01:15:29 PM
I have the chance to buy 1 unit via a group, payment to be made via paypal. If its a scam I should be protected with paypal correct?


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Post by: splitsec470 on January 08, 2018, 06:29:28 PM
Many resellers sell Baigal B in Alibaba. Fake or not?

most on aliexpress are fake

ASICMINERMARKET ARE SCAMMERS TOO


Bittawm I totally agree. I do understand supply-and-demand but come-on!!! These guys just inflate the price as if ......

I have been following your website and hope that you can get us some Giant X10s and Giant-Bs soon, fingers crossed. Can't seem to trust anyone else at this point.


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Post by: bittawm on January 08, 2018, 09:16:24 PM
seems legit, please can you tell me when will the new stock be available
very interested to buy some
do You have some bulk discount?

We have no pricing structure for future batches. We are not sure what Baikal will sell for


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Post by: Smex on January 08, 2018, 11:56:59 PM
I got a message from the supplier as I have shown interest in their products and have tried to become a reseller in Australia. They advised that they do not have any in stock.

However after watching asicminermarket website and watching the stock levels and price, I can only assume that these 2 companies are in some sort of agreement. (Yes a big call, but it looks very sus) Even the alibaba people were quoting from 8800 to 13999 for these machines before the asicminermarket website changed their prices.

A smell BS and how the price manipulation has been conducted.  My Rant lol



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Post by: Dudukian on January 09, 2018, 02:26:37 AM
I got a message from the supplier as I have shown interest in their products and have tried to become a reseller in Australia. They advised that they do not have any in stock.

However after watching asicminermarket website and watching the stock levels and price, I can only assume that these 2 companies are in some sort of agreement. (Yes a big call, but it looks very sus) Even the alibaba people were quoting from 8800 to 13999 for these machines before the asicminermarket website changed their prices.

A smell BS and how the price manipulation has been conducted.  My Rant lol




asicminermarket has a bad reputation of delayed shipments and even accused of using customers miners until the profit dropped off .   I am not sure what is true and not , but I guess they actually ship products .   Be aware of other websites that take your coin and ship nothing .  Ebay prices are asking $15,000- $20,000.     At those prices I would rather wait and buy 5 for the same cost after the dust settles .  These machines should be profitable for a long time because of the low power consumption .


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Post by: bittawm on January 09, 2018, 06:30:38 AM
I got a message from the supplier as I have shown interest in their products and have tried to become a reseller in Australia. They advised that they do not have any in stock.

However after watching asicminermarket website and watching the stock levels and price, I can only assume that these 2 companies are in some sort of agreement. (Yes a big call, but it looks very sus) Even the alibaba people were quoting from 8800 to 13999 for these machines before the asicminermarket website changed their prices.

A smell BS and how the price manipulation has been conducted.  My Rant lol



I am from new zealand, there is no correlation between bittawmart and asicminerkarket,

I have said they are scammy for a long time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574457.0

I have handled millions in community funded transactions and am in a different league than asicminermarket, I have expressed my dislike for that company and have proven myself to this community.

we are the official Oceania reseller for futurebit moonlander 2s and have been fully vetted by the manufacturer

Cheers



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Post by: Rogue_322 on January 09, 2018, 03:31:32 PM
I got a message from the supplier as I have shown interest in their products and have tried to become a reseller in Australia. They advised that they do not have any in stock.

However after watching asicminermarket website and watching the stock levels and price, I can only assume that these 2 companies are in some sort of agreement. (Yes a big call, but it looks very sus) Even the alibaba people were quoting from 8800 to 13999 for these machines before the asicminermarket website changed their prices.

A smell BS and how the price manipulation has been conducted.  My Rant lol



I am from new zealand, there is no correlation between bittawmart and asicminerkarket,

I have said they are scammy for a long time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574457.0

I have handled millions in community funded transactions and am in a different league than asicminermarket, I have expressed my dislike for that company and have proven myself to this community.

we are the official Oceania reseller for futurebit moonlander 2s and have been fully vetted by the manufacturer

Cheers



Hello. Do you expect getting some giant B s in stock this month?


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Post by: RadFX on January 09, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Hey Bittawm - just wanted to reply to this thread also that I’m down for a couple Giant Bs if you are able to get more in a new batch and the price is reasonable from Baikal (I know you’ll do what you can for your price).


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Post by: Smex on January 10, 2018, 12:07:06 AM
I got a message from the supplier as I have shown interest in their products and have tried to become a reseller in Australia. They advised that they do not have any in stock.

However after watching asicminermarket website and watching the stock levels and price, I can only assume that these 2 companies are in some sort of agreement. (Yes a big call, but it looks very sus) Even the alibaba people were quoting from 8800 to 13999 for these machines before the asicminermarket website changed their prices.

A smell BS and how the price manipulation has been conducted.  My Rant lol



I am from new zealand, there is no correlation between bittawmart and asicminerkarket,

I have said they are scammy for a long time:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1574457.0

I have handled millions in community funded transactions and am in a different league than asicminermarket, I have expressed my dislike for that company and have proven myself to this community.

we are the official Oceania reseller for futurebit moonlander 2s and have been fully vetted by the manufacturer

Cheers



Was referring to Baikal and AsicMinerMarket - something smells fishy between these 2


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Dudukian on January 10, 2018, 06:57:03 AM
There is a seller on Ebay making claims that contradict everything I know about the Giant B miner and Baikal policies.

He says he just cut a deal today for 20 Giant Bs miners.

He will drop ship from manufacturer


They ship January 20

PSU included.

Bitcoin only .

 I assume its a scam.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968)


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Post by: bittawm on January 10, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
There is a seller on Ebay making claims that contradict everything I know about the Giant B miner and Baikal policies.

He says he just cut a deal today for 20 Giant Bs miners.

He will drop ship from manufacturer


They ship January 20

PSU included.

Bitcoin only .

 I assume its a scam.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968)

be very careful on ebay


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Post by: hCodex on January 10, 2018, 08:46:28 PM
Hey bittawm, interested to purchase a Giant B from Canada whenever you have stock.
Thanks as always for your support and information :D


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Post by: VyprBTC on January 10, 2018, 09:32:56 PM
There is a seller on Ebay making claims that contradict everything I know about the Giant B miner and Baikal policies.

He says he just cut a deal today for 20 Giant Bs miners.

He will drop ship from manufacturer


They ship January 20

PSU included.

Bitcoin only .

 I assume its a scam.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Baikal-Giant-B-New-very-rare-ships-Jan-20th-530-day-15-800mth-Insane-profit/273016867599?hash=item3f9112cb0f:g:Q2kAAOSwBRVaU968)


Well I can say it's more than likely he's full of shit because I requested 4 times for an order of 20 Giant B's (first time was 10, then I increased to 20 because figure why not 20 if I'm going to buy 10 already?).

Every time I get the standard message everyone gets, don't have, keep checking their page blah blah.


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Post by: Tekno2020 on January 11, 2018, 11:18:58 PM
Does Baikal have some sort of MOQ for these when they come out?


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Post by: HagssFIN on January 11, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
Does Baikal have some sort of MOQ for these when they come out?

Baikal minimum order quantity is 6 units.

Bittawm minimum order quantity is 1 unit.

These have already come out and first sales are sold out.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Dudukian on January 12, 2018, 02:16:53 AM
Anyone have an idea if the Giant x10 . A900 or A2000 Baikal's will produced again ?     


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Post by: minernoob1978 on January 12, 2018, 12:47:57 PM
Anyone have an idea if the Giant x10 . A900 or A2000 Baikal's will produced again ?     

i bet x10 should be on sale soon, as they had only 2 batches, and its new product, i dont think baikal will drop it


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Post by: bittawm on January 12, 2018, 10:36:12 PM
Does Baikal have some sort of MOQ for these when they come out?

Baikal minimum order quantity is 6 units.

Bittawm minimum order quantity is 1 unit.

These have already come out and first sales are sold out.

someone is paying attention :D

thanks for clarification


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Post by: fabfab82 on January 12, 2018, 10:37:45 PM
But i hope he will get new stock 😀


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Post by: bucketofsocks on January 12, 2018, 10:55:51 PM
Any word on when your orders are going to ship?


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Post by: bittawm on January 12, 2018, 11:16:56 PM
Any word on when your orders are going to ship?

We received an email from baikal saying orders will be shipped soon (no dates given)

Cheers


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Post by: oomurashin on January 13, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
Any word on when your orders are going to ship?

We received an email from baikal saying orders will be shipped soon (no dates given)

Cheers
great!  :D :D :D


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Post by: inenbld on January 13, 2018, 11:48:29 PM
Any word on when your orders are going to ship?

We received an email from baikal saying orders will be shipped soon (no dates given)

Cheers

mb you'll consider waiting lists for mid sized quantities like 10+ pcs?


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Post by: benji.muller on January 14, 2018, 12:27:59 AM
Did anybody already receive from any shop or Baikal directly one or more units of the Giant B ?
I have read that there were some being sold mid-end december or is that a scam ? Is the delivery for end of January really the first batch that is being released for sale ?


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Post by: bittawm on January 14, 2018, 12:34:15 AM
Did anybody already receive from any shop or Baikal directly one or more units of the Giant B ?
I have read that there were some being sold mid-end december or is that a scam ? Is the delivery for end of January really the first batch that is being released for sale ?


they were sold mid december. first batch end of jan possibly early feb depending on when they ship


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Post by: benji.muller on January 14, 2018, 01:13:17 AM
thanks bittawm for the help.
So if they were sold around mid december, why is the end of january realease called the first batch ? Some people got their hands on miners some weeks ago already, so in my mind the end of january shipments will be the second batch ?
thanks


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Post by: STATIK on January 14, 2018, 05:32:36 AM
I am loving the sale postings "Very rare" as if we are buying a one of a kind antique heirloom... ::)


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Post by: stevensix on January 14, 2018, 10:18:11 AM
When is the next batch pre order?


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Post by: Saingo on January 14, 2018, 09:44:08 PM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....


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Post by: Tekno2020 on January 14, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....

It would be hard for a reseller to resist the temptation of mining for 1.5months to roi and then deliver.  I mean roi on the miner and charge the markup. Im not saying that is what is/will happen, but would be possible.


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Post by: kryptolarz on January 14, 2018, 10:04:11 PM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....

It would be hard for a reseller to resist the temptation of mining for 1.5months to roi and then deliver.  I mean roi on the miner and charge the markup. Im not saying that is what is/will happen, but would be possible.
I know for a fact that some sellers keep some of the miners for themselves and mine, they're not willing to sell those miners that they have reserved for themselves.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: tomwrx on January 15, 2018, 07:31:41 AM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....

one batch consists of at least 5000 units, so you can do the math for diff changes when all units will be up and running.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: dlezama on January 15, 2018, 07:59:24 AM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....

one batch consists of at least 5000 units, so you can do the math for diff changes when all units will be up and running.
Source? How do you know the size of a batch?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: tomwrx on January 15, 2018, 10:00:45 AM
If you guys look on whattomine website you will see lbry nethash has gone up 4X! (58TH) And customers have not even recieved the miners yet. Pretty sure the resellers are mining with our miners. Also all deliveries are not finished. By the time we recieve our miners we are probably looking a nethash of 120th prob end upnwith $500 a month or less....

one batch consists of at least 5000 units, so you can do the math for diff changes when all units will be up and running.
Source? How do you know the size of a batch?

Just corellation with x10 batch'es ;)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Rogue_322 on January 15, 2018, 08:48:50 PM
x10 is doin fine btw. While B is slowly going down from day to day.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: splitsec470 on January 16, 2018, 12:23:57 AM
Isn't it amazing how the profit is dropping so fast? Someone is definitely mining with the Giant B's for sure. Yesterday I looked up Nicehash stats and it clearly showed $330 and today already shows $244. And this is the same device that was introduced as making $600/day. I am forecasting about $100 or less by the time folks get their Giant B's. Still rocking my Giant X10 though and the coins market is strong.

I hesitated getting this device because of AsicMinerMarket's inflated prices and the fact that there are less buyers of these coins in the exchange market. I know you can use Nicehash but they offer a lower rate than one trading themselves.

I am still open to buying the Giant B if it's still profitable and only from Baikal directly or Bittawn when available.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Dudukian on January 16, 2018, 06:14:14 AM
Isn't it amazing how the profit is dropping so fast? Someone is definitely mining with the Giant B's for sure. Yesterday I looked up Nicehash stats and it clearly showed $330 and today already shows $244. And this is the same device that was introduced as making $600/day. I am forecasting about $100 or less by the time folks get their Giant B's. Still rocking my Giant X10 though and the coins market is strong.

I hesitated getting this device because of AsicMinerMarket's inflated prices and the fact that there are less buyers of these coins in the exchange market. I know you can use Nicehash but they offer a lower rate than one trading themselves.

I am still open to buying the Giant B if it's still profitable and only from Baikal directly or Bittawn when available.

  Nicehash fluctuates due to many factors .  Bitcoin is down today  , so Nicehashers get shy.    The main focus of the Giant B are Library and Pascal .   The difficulty of Library has doubled this week .   This has caused profits to drop considerably .  However , many miners will begin abandoning it so it may perk up a bit .   I wonder if the total hash-rate has increased as well ?   At the moment it stands at 47.24 Terahash .  Any idea what it was last week ? 


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Post by: bison160 on January 16, 2018, 06:18:08 AM
Ahh, the good ole days (a couple months ago) where I could mine some lbc in peace with my little graphics card rig....

In all seriousness though, this is an interesting piece of hardware. Id like to get my hands on one.....someday.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: slanislaw on January 16, 2018, 06:45:04 AM
lol @ lbry difficulty! To the moon! Baikal ruins everything.. I'm beginning to hate them. They keep chasing me off algorithm after algorithm.

Very few algorithms they haven't destroyed with their ASIC's. And those they haven't I'm confident they are working hard on.  :'(


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: STATIK on January 16, 2018, 06:57:05 AM
lol @ lbry difficulty! To the moon! Baikal ruins everything.. I'm beginning to hate them. They keep chasing me off algorithm after algorithm.

Very few algorithms they haven't destroyed with their ASIC's. And those they haven't I'm confident they are working hard on.  :'(

Give it two months it will be like mining with a GPU  :o


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: dlezama on January 16, 2018, 07:11:16 AM
lol @ lbry difficulty! To the moon! Baikal ruins everything.. I'm beginning to hate them. They keep chasing me off algorithm after algorithm.

Very few algorithms they haven't destroyed with their ASIC's. And those they haven't I'm confident they are working hard on.  :'(

Give it two months it will be like mining with a GPU  :o
A very expensive GPU. And those are not ASICs, just FPGAs. When a real ASIC like Obelisk comes and grabs DCR and SIA with 10x the hashrate good luck... To be entirely honest, I wish I had grabbed a batch 1 Giant-B, probably enough time to make some money on it, let's see.

And, well, RIP ETH dual mining, end of the Claymore era :)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Marvell2 on January 16, 2018, 08:33:49 AM
lol @ lbry difficulty! To the moon! Baikal ruins everything.. I'm beginning to hate them. They keep chasing me off algorithm after algorithm.

Very few algorithms they haven't destroyed with their ASIC's. And those they haven't I'm confident they are working hard on.  :'(

Give it two months it will be like mining with a GPU  :o
A very expensive GPU. And those are not ASICs, just FPGAs. When a real ASIC like Obelisk comes and grabs DCR and SIA with 10x the hashrate good luck... To be entirely honest, I wish I had grabbed a batch 1 Giant-B, probably enough time to make some money on it, let's see.

And, well, RIP ETH dual mining, end of the Claymore era :)

yup its currently not worth it to dual mine and not even all the Baikal B's have hit the market , Its not worth it paying a fee to claymroe now


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: STATIK on January 16, 2018, 09:13:33 AM
Get on BITMAIN right now if you want an L3+ or S9....


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Marvell2 on January 16, 2018, 10:36:36 AM
Get on BITMAIN right now if you want an L3+ or S9....

ugh all gone


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - OUT OF STOCK
Post by: Dlikrot on January 16, 2018, 10:52:23 AM
Of course they waited to sell more until the market had a huge crash...


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 16, 2018, 06:33:12 PM
Hey Gents, I have 5 of my personal units for sale (they were never meant for sale and I really wanted to mine with them)

That being said I have about 30 emails per day asking for Giant Bs and at the same time I have been noticing pricing from other manufacturers.

asicminermarket market is selling for 20k each (I DO NOT RECOMMEND BUYING OF THIS COMPANY) I have been watching stock go down from hundreds to 25. people are actually paying asicminermarket for products.....and paying an arm and a leg.

Itop has been selling for 16k now sold out

We have 5 personal units available for 15k each

the people who can dig deep will get these nice little hashers

https://bittawmart.com/collections/mining-hardware/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: oomurashin on January 16, 2018, 07:35:28 PM
hi,bittaw bikal send you 1st lot products? ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: CryptoWatcher420 on January 16, 2018, 07:41:29 PM
Hey Gents, I have 5 of my personal units for sale (they were never meant for sale and I really wanted to mine with them)

That being said I have about 30 emails per day asking for Giant Bs and at the same time I have been noticing pricing from other manufacturers.

asicminermarket market is selling for 20k each (I DO NOT RECOMMEND BUYING OF THIS COMPANY) I have been watching stock go down from hundreds to 25. people are actually paying asicminermarket for products.....and paying an arm and a leg.

Itop has been selling for 16k now sold out

We have 5 personal units available for 15k each

the people who can dig deep will get these nice little hashers

https://bittawmart.com/collections/mining-hardware/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january

@ $15,000 dollars, its not worth it. the people that will get those if you sell them will be the very desperate ones, people like you just rip people off, tbh you can shove that 15,000 dollar price tag where the sun don't shine

provide a service pfft, just cause a place says there selling them for 16k doesn't mean they actually did. any smart person would be like screw that unless they have the money, that said they would have bought directly from Baikal instead of some greedy shark like yourself, and before you say you are not greedy, if you wernt greedy you wouldn't be trying to off 5 units for 15,000 dollars a piece


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 16, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Hey Gents, I have 5 of my personal units for sale (they were never meant for sale and I really wanted to mine with them)

That being said I have about 30 emails per day asking for Giant Bs and at the same time I have been noticing pricing from other manufacturers.

asicminermarket market is selling for 20k each (I DO NOT RECOMMEND BUYING OF THIS COMPANY) I have been watching stock go down from hundreds to 25. people are actually paying asicminermarket for products.....and paying an arm and a leg.

Itop has been selling for 16k now sold out

We have 5 personal units available for 15k each

the people who can dig deep will get these nice little hashers

https://bittawmart.com/collections/mining-hardware/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january

@ $15,000 dollars, its not worth it. the people that will get those if you sell them will be the very desperate ones, people like you just rip people off, tbh you can shove that 15,000 dollar price tag where the sun don't shine

provide a service pfft, just cause a place says there selling them for 16k doesn't mean they actually did. any smart person would be like screw that unless they have the money, that said they would have bought directly from Baikal instead of some greedy shark like yourself, and before you say you are not greedy, if you wernt greedy you wouldn't be trying to off 5 units for 15,000 dollars a piece

I sold the majority of our machines for 4400usd (cheapest reseller as far as I know, I sold many many at this price)

If you had 5 x baikal Giant B what would you sell for?????

asicminermarket is constantly selling: I have seen them sell 30 pc in the past 2 days at 20k a pop
itopshop has completely sold out at 16k
ebay is 15-25k


I will be the first person to admit if anyone wants my personal units that were never for sale, they will have to pay a premium for them (or else id just keep these money printers for us)

If we could get more from baikal at the old price we would, we would. Of course they have not released another batch and we do not know when we will get more (x10s were not in production long so we are unsure how long giant B will be in production)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: kryptolarz on January 16, 2018, 07:59:25 PM
Talk about milking the cow (can't blame you though, everyone else is milking it), worst thing is that people are definitely going to pay for it.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: CaptainHangover on January 16, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Lol.... first post an all.... but over 3x times the price and the profitability has reduced to a QUATER in just the last 3 days....

was over $400/day

Now less than $100/day

https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/

Squeeky bum time!


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: tomwrx on January 16, 2018, 08:35:28 PM
Lol.... first post an all.... but over 3x times the price and the profitability has reduced to a QUATER in just the last 3 days....

was over $400/day

Now less than $100/day

https://www.nicehash.com/profitability-calculator/

Squeeky bum time!

Exactly. Good luck with roi paying for a unit 15k $ :D I hope people will manage to roi even for the first batch when payed 3600 $... witha a diff skyrocketing. It just 16th of January and February is not even here and profitability already dropped several times.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: sidgrip on January 16, 2018, 08:43:37 PM

@ $15,000 dollars, its not worth it. the people that will get those if you sell them will be the very desperate ones, people like you just rip people off, tbh you can shove that 15,000 dollar price tag where the sun don't shine

provide a service pfft, just cause a place says there selling them for 16k doesn't mean they actually did. any smart person would be like screw that unless they have the money, that said they would have bought directly from Baikal instead of some greedy shark like yourself, and before you say you are not greedy, if you wernt greedy you wouldn't be trying to off 5 units for 15,000 dollars a piece

You want him to sell it at $4,500 so you can turn around and sell it on ebay or somewhere else for $15k, How dare bittawm make a profit  ::)

You could have organized a group buy with Baikal, but you just deiced to come here and complain instead, Maybe you should spend your time complaining to the ebay re-sellers.

If it wasn't for greedy fucks jacking up prices on ebay and ignorant noobs buying, then we could have reasonable hardware prices like before, I miss the days when BTC was under $500 and no one was really paying attention to what was going on in the crypto world, when miners took an average of 2-3 months to roi and there resale value was shit.  

Who honestly thought they would mine even $8k a month with one machine?

I find nothing wrong with bittawm asking $15k per machine, I would not let mine go for any price at the moment  :-*



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Saph on January 16, 2018, 08:51:44 PM
I've ordered on your site on 12/16/2017
Does it mean, you have the first batch but first want to sell personal ASICs for 15k?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: citronick on January 16, 2018, 09:20:49 PM
Hey Gents, I have 5 of my personal units for sale (they were never meant for sale and I really wanted to mine with them)

That being said I have about 30 emails per day asking for Giant Bs and at the same time I have been noticing pricing from other manufacturers.

asicminermarket market is selling for 20k each (I DO NOT RECOMMEND BUYING OF THIS COMPANY) I have been watching stock go down from hundreds to 25. people are actually paying asicminermarket for products.....and paying an arm and a leg.

Itop has been selling for 16k now sold out

We have 5 personal units available for 15k each

the people who can dig deep will get these nice little hashers

https://bittawmart.com/collections/mining-hardware/products/baikal-giant-b-pre-order-for-january

@ $15,000 dollars, its not worth it. the people that will get those if you sell them will be the very desperate ones, people like you just rip people off, tbh you can shove that 15,000 dollar price tag where the sun don't shine

provide a service pfft, just cause a place says there selling them for 16k doesn't mean they actually did. any smart person would be like screw that unless they have the money, that said they would have bought directly from Baikal instead of some greedy shark like yourself, and before you say you are not greedy, if you wernt greedy you wouldn't be trying to off 5 units for 15,000 dollars a piece

A year ago, I was lucky to have bought Giant-900Mh directly from Baikal.... ROIed in less than 20 days.

Offers to buy my Giants from the open market went as high as 3X even 4X..... I didn't buckle and kept the Giants and made good money mining.

Giant 2K came along and X10 later on -- all these models were selling like hot cakes because they are very good and in high demand.

My point here is supply and demand in a free market.

What price to become a lucky Giant B owner?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: dpivaral on January 16, 2018, 10:39:39 PM
Holy damn, profit by $80 dollars/day, for $15k, what if diff skyrockets again?

Not worth anymore with that price, I will await for next batch then, hopefully with cheaper price, or I will get another ASIC.  ;D

Cheers!


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: STATIK on January 16, 2018, 11:50:52 PM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: craigh on January 16, 2018, 11:55:28 PM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(

Profits will go down, but I think you are a bit pessimistic. For example, the X10 has been out since November and still can make $100+ a day if you know what you are doing. So Giant B has a longer than 2 weeks before it plummets.

C.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 16, 2018, 11:56:38 PM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(

Profits will go down, but I think you are a bit pessimistic. For example, the X10 has been out since November and still can make $100+ a day if you know what you are doing. So Giant B has a longer than 2 weeks before it plummets.

C.

every single baikal product has made A FORTUNE.

show me one that has not?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: STATIK on January 17, 2018, 12:03:52 AM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(

Profits will go down, but I think you are a bit pessimistic. For example, the X10 has been out since November and still can make $100+ a day if you know what you are doing. So Giant B has a longer than 2 weeks before it plummets.

C.

every single baikal product has made A FORTUNE.

show me one that has not?

Pay attention to what I am saying, if you buy it at current prices of 13-16K you bet your butt that diff rate will bite a long time, at initial prices it was selling yea I'd still buy it. Would you buy it for 13-16k?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Eyedol-X on January 17, 2018, 02:50:28 AM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(

Profits will go down, but I think you are a bit pessimistic. For example, the X10 has been out since November and still can make $100+ a day if you know what you are doing. So Giant B has a longer than 2 weeks before it plummets.

C.

every single baikal product has made A FORTUNE.

show me one that has not?

Yup they have, that's why I'll wait for the Baikal Giant B2 (or whatever they call it)

A 15k price premium due to demand is not unheard of but this price point tells me I missed the boat on these and will wait for whatever comes next. I was actually watching to see if there would be more of these -- This price I suspect is indication that there isn't going to be.

Oh and since this thread has been hijacked to be a sale items I gotta throw in the following.... wrong forum.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 17, 2018, 07:20:44 AM
Difficulty says those miners are already obsolete sorry to say, I too was interested in ROI in under a month but the first batch was long gone, right now the only thing selling Baikal miners is the get rich quickly craze and that too will end shortly. Poor saps that did buy these at the current prices will be sitting on some expensive useless hardware collecting barely $30 a day within two weeks from now. While I don't blame you for taking market for what it's worth I just don't think an informed miner will be your buyer.
 :'(

Profits will go down, but I think you are a bit pessimistic. For example, the X10 has been out since November and still can make $100+ a day if you know what you are doing. So Giant B has a longer than 2 weeks before it plummets.

C.

every single baikal product has made A FORTUNE.

show me one that has not?

Pay attention to what I am saying, if you buy it at current prices of 13-16K you bet your butt that diff rate will bite a long time, at initial prices it was selling yea I'd still buy it. Would you buy it for 13-16k?


   I would not pay those prices because the risk vs return .   However,  even at $10,000 it still might be a winner in the long run.   The hashing power vs. wattage ratio and the five different algos make it a long term contender .   $1,000 per month for 36 months = $36,0000


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: minernoob1978 on January 17, 2018, 09:24:40 AM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: oomurashin on January 17, 2018, 04:57:15 PM
i am looking forward to receiving orders for December. Will notification come when shipped? ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 17, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Saph on January 17, 2018, 05:48:11 PM
I was one of the first to order from Bittawm. He has received (some?) units. And I know some people who already received their Giant B in Europe.
So what's the deal? No word on shipment yet.

@Bittawm
what's the situation here?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 17, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
I was one of the first to order from Bittawm. He has received (some?) units. And I know some people who already received their Giant B in Europe.
So what's the deal? No word on shipment yet.

@Bittawm
what's the situation here?

We have an email from Baikal dated 9th Jan asking for contact phone number because they were / are close to shipping

https://s18.postimg.org/s7osb2ygl/baikal2_1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/s7osb2ygl/)


We also have skype transcripts


https://s18.postimg.org/pp33alfd1/baikal2_2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/pp33alfd1/)

I am not sure why others have been shipped and not ours, but rest assured ours will be coming


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Saph on January 17, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
I don't get the Skype logs.
So the january preorder from your site is now actually a uncertain second batch from Baikal and your first order you have received and selling for 15k?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 17, 2018, 08:16:46 PM
I don't get the Skype logs.
So the january preorder from your site is now actually a uncertain second batch from Baikal and your first order you have received and selling for 15k?

No this is batch 1.

I was inquiring to buy a batch 2 but as of now there is no batch 2.

Baikal replied saying there was out of stock (which is what they have been saying ever since they sold out of batch 1)

Thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: tummymumma on January 18, 2018, 01:10:50 AM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: bittawm on January 18, 2018, 03:58:47 AM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



we are 15k and not 16k

3 left

Cheers


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: stugots2 on January 18, 2018, 08:53:35 PM
I was gonna buy like 20 - 25 at your $4400 price point


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 18, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
I was gonna buy like 20 - 25 at your $4400 price point

I missed the six pack for $3600 from Baikal by one day.   I also missed buying 4 from Bittawmart by one day as well when they stopped taking debit cards and I didn't have enough bitcoin .


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: uDwcHYO on January 18, 2018, 09:35:18 PM
while it is delivered, complexity will grow significantly


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: tummymumma on January 18, 2018, 09:43:01 PM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



we are 15k and not 16k

3 left

Cheers


These things are selling for 16K because of the nicehash profitability calculator.  For a few days, that thing was showing 16k per month as the profit.... most of t he time it was showing 10k.  Bitmain did a good thing with their latest release of the A3 yesterday.  They staged the release over a day and limited quantity to only 1 to make it hard for the resellers to hoard and do what they are doing.   This is really not a supply and demand issue, its a hoarding issue.    There is no way that these people buying this machine at this price will make their money back in under a year.  If you think so, your fooling yourself.   These things do well for a few months, then the cycle repeats.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: cryptonitro on January 19, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
there was no pre order , how can some of people have giant B ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 19, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



we are 15k and not 16k

3 left

Cheers


These things are selling for 16K because of the nicehash profitability calculator.  For a few days, that thing was showing 16k per month as the profit.... most of t he time it was showing 10k.  Bitmain did a good thing with their latest release of the A3 yesterday.  They staged the release over a day and limited quantity to only 1 to make it hard for the resellers to hoard and do what they are doing.   This is really not a supply and demand issue, its a hoarding issue.    There is no way that these people buying this machine at this price will make their money back in under a year.  If you think so, your fooling yourself.   These things do well for a few months, then the cycle repeats.

    I respectfully disagree with every point you made.

  Actually Library hit $20,000 per month without the need for nicehash.  It bounced from $14,000 - $20,000 for weeks . Mostly stayed above $16,000  A few days ago it dropped to $4500 and its down below $3500 today.   Remember its not a single algorithm miner .  Pasc can be mined for a similar profit.   Even at $15,000 it will pay for itself in 8 months. 

   These miners were sold wholesale minimum order of 6 for $3600 and its now defiantly a supply and demand issue .  In fact most of the "Hoarders " on this site sold them for under $4500 which is a pretty modest margin .   Its the personal units that are now being sold for $$$ instead of used for mining .   I think Bitmain made a mistake 1 limit .   The high prices on the open market gives their product a better value with less headache .   


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: bittawm on January 19, 2018, 09:51:08 PM
OK GUYS WE HAVE WAYBILL - WOOHOO THE PRODUCT HAS LEFT THE BAIKAL FACTORY


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: sidgrip on January 19, 2018, 09:58:11 PM
Great news, thank you sir  ;D


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: Dlikrot on January 19, 2018, 09:59:34 PM
Congratulations. I hope that means there’s soon a new batch for preorder.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: bittawm on January 19, 2018, 10:07:14 PM
Congratulations. I hope that means there’s soon a new batch for preorder.

unfortunately we only have 2 personal units left, they're on sale at our website for a premium (there will not be a new batch from us until we can secure more from baikal)

Cheers


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: tummymumma on January 20, 2018, 12:09:10 AM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



we are 15k and not 16k

3 left

Cheers


These things are selling for 16K because of the nicehash profitability calculator.  For a few days, that thing was showing 16k per month as the profit.... most of t he time it was showing 10k.  Bitmain did a good thing with their latest release of the A3 yesterday.  They staged the release over a day and limited quantity to only 1 to make it hard for the resellers to hoard and do what they are doing.   This is really not a supply and demand issue, its a hoarding issue.    There is no way that these people buying this machine at this price will make their money back in under a year.  If you think so, your fooling yourself.   These things do well for a few months, then the cycle repeats.

    I respectfully disagree with every point you made.

  Actually Library hit $20,000 per month without the need for nicehash.  It bounced from $14,000 - $20,000 for weeks . Mostly stayed above $16,000  A few days ago it dropped to $4500 and its down below $3500 today.   Remember its not a single algorithm miner .  Pasc can be mined for a similar profit.   Even at $15,000 it will pay for itself in 8 months. 

   These miners were sold wholesale minimum order of 6 for $3600 and its now defiantly a supply and demand issue .  In fact most of the "Hoarders " on this site sold them for under $4500 which is a pretty modest margin .   Its the personal units that are now being sold for $$$ instead of used for mining .   I think Bitmain made a mistake 1 limit .   The high prices on the open market gives their product a better value with less headache .   

1.  The nicehash profitability calculator is being advertised and used as an example of what can be made per day
2.  Baikal did not sell to the general public, but only to resellers who immediately pushed the price up even before there was a demand. 
3.  Its not the personal units that are being sold for $$$$, look at the thread with itopshop.  The first batch he spread the risk on the forum members and now that he sees the demand, he is charging
    12k per unit for the next group buy.
4.  I don't know how long you have been mining, but do you know how long 8 months is?  In 8 months that miner might be acting as a doorstop, so I dont know how you can count on that.
5.  Bitmain actually did something right, they allowed the general population to buy the unit instead of these resellers who just markup up to 1000% sometimes.  To me that is just ridiculous and they are fleecing the mining community.  Crypto has gained traction and alot of noobs are going to lose their shirts on these things, and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Just take a look at the S9.  2 weeks ago, you couldnt buy that thing for under 5500 at best.  Today I saw someone trying to sell 7 for 3k each


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 20, 2018, 06:05:19 AM
people are dumb if they willing to pay 15k giant b, wait for x10 to be on sale and pay less, what was the price 1400 usd + shipping, no point for overpay, also why buy from re-sellers if you can buy directly from baikal ;D


   I was thinking the same thing .  I believe the original X10 sold for $1200 .   I have GPU miners that were producing $9,000 per month last week.  

   I spotted X10's on Ebay they are asking $9,000 ,  and that makes more sense than $15,000 for the Giant B.    

At first I thought why would anyone want to sell their Giant B ?   Now , I think its a smart move to dump them at the inflated price and buy something else or even other Giant B's with the proceeds if and when available.  

        I wonder if the re-sell prices will drop to $9,000 or so like the X10 ?



Bitmain also just r elease the A3 Blake Miner yesterday at Hashing algorithm     -- Blake(2b)  815GH

I still want a baikal, but I am not paying these insane prices.  the price on bittawmart is 16K now, and the price on ebay is 16-30K -- At 16K its  a huge gamble for me.



we are 15k and not 16k

3 left

Cheers


These things are selling for 16K because of the nicehash profitability calculator.  For a few days, that thing was showing 16k per month as the profit.... most of t he time it was showing 10k.  Bitmain did a good thing with their latest release of the A3 yesterday.  They staged the release over a day and limited quantity to only 1 to make it hard for the resellers to hoard and do what they are doing.   This is really not a supply and demand issue, its a hoarding issue.    There is no way that these people buying this machine at this price will make their money back in under a year.  If you think so, your fooling yourself.   These things do well for a few months, then the cycle repeats.

    I respectfully disagree with every point you made.

  Actually Library hit $20,000 per month without the need for nicehash.  It bounced from $14,000 - $20,000 for weeks . Mostly stayed above $16,000  A few days ago it dropped to $4500 and its down below $3500 today.   Remember its not a single algorithm miner .  Pasc can be mined for a similar profit.   Even at $15,000 it will pay for itself in 8 months. 

   These miners were sold wholesale minimum order of 6 for $3600 and its now defiantly a supply and demand issue .  In fact most of the "Hoarders " on this site sold them for under $4500 which is a pretty modest margin .   Its the personal units that are now being sold for $$$ instead of used for mining .   I think Bitmain made a mistake 1 limit .   The high prices on the open market gives their product a better value with less headache .   

1.  The nicehash profitability calculator is being advertised and used as an example of what can be made per day
2.  Baikal did not sell to the general public, but only to resellers who immediately pushed the price up even before there was a demand. 
3.  Its not the personal units that are being sold for $$$$, look at the thread with itopshop.  The first batch he spread the risk on the forum members and now that he sees the demand, he is charging
    12k per unit for the next group buy.
4.  I don't know how long you have been mining, but do you know how long 8 months is?  In 8 months that miner might be acting as a doorstop, so I dont know how you can count on that.
5.  Bitmain actually did something right, they allowed the general population to buy the unit instead of these resellers who just markup up to 1000% sometimes.  To me that is just ridiculous and they are fleecing the mining community.  Crypto has gained traction and alot of noobs are going to lose their shirts on these things, and that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Just take a look at the S9.  2 weeks ago, you couldnt buy that thing for under 5500 at best.  Today I saw someone trying to sell 7 for 3k each

   1. Forget nicehash , its based on the resale of hashing power .  For better accuracy , use the other calculators that are based directly on mining.

   2. Actually , they did sell to the general public .  They quoted me 6 @ $3600.

  3 . Other than a couple of possibly fake sellers on Ebay , most of the units being resold are from people selling their small personal orders and decided to take advantage of the opportunity. 

4. I have mining equipment that makes more money today than it did when I bought it 8 months ago.

5.  Actually nothing really much different.  They were all gone in one day and the A3 is now only available for those who are willing to pay $9,000 .    The winners and losers will be determined later.   At least hey are providing an honest service .   

   People be aware of the following fake sites that actually do rip people off:

  asicminers.com with an s is a fake site .   The site without the s is selling for $20,000

  altmininggear.com .  scam site

 baikalminermarket.com   fake scam

 
    Many other scams on Ebay and Alibaba as well.

 


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: thecoder2012 on January 20, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
2. Actually , they did sell to the general public .  They quoted me 6 @ $3600.
Pre-order really possible? With email or skype? Giant B, X10 or both?  :o

4. I have mining equipment that makes more money today than it did when I bought it 8 months ago.
Which equipment?  ???


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: shaninium on January 20, 2018, 08:46:19 AM
2. Actually , they did sell to the general public .  They quoted me 6 @ $3600.
Pre-order really possible? With email or skype? Giant B, X10 or both?  :o

4. I have mining equipment that makes more money today than it did when I bought it 8 months ago.
Which equipment?  ???

Giant b pre order was sold to public by baikal but with a minimum order of 6 at 3600 each. Through email. They sold out.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Dudukian on January 20, 2018, 10:29:38 AM
2. Actually , they did sell to the general public .  They quoted me 6 @ $3600.
Pre-order really possible? With email or skype? Giant B, X10 or both?  :o

4. I have mining equipment that makes more money today than it did when I bought it 8 months ago.
Which equipment?  ???


  8 months ago , I built a rig with 7x GTX 1070 .  Like the Giant B , it is capable of mining different algorithms . 

  At first it mined $850 per month , later dropped to $600 and now earns over $1,000 per month.  It was actually earning about $1500 before last weeks Bitcoin correction

  I don't believe the other poster understands the concept of the low wattage efficiency and multi algo's of the Baikal miner .  A typical Asic will mine a single algorithm at 1300 watts.   The Baikal can mine multi -algos with a much lower wattage. 

     


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: tummymumma on January 20, 2018, 05:33:30 PM
Quote

   1. Forget nicehash , its based on the resale of hashing power .  For better accuracy , use the other calculators that are based directly on mining.

   2. Actually , they did sell to the general public .  They quoted me 6 @ $3600.

  3 . Other than a couple of possibly fake sellers on Ebay , most of the units being resold are from people selling their small personal orders and decided to take advantage of the opportunity. 

4. I have mining equipment that makes more money today than it did when I bought it 8 months ago.

5.  Actually nothing really much different.  They were all gone in one day and the A3 is now only available for those who are willing to pay $9,000 .    The winners and losers will be determined later.   At least hey are providing an honest service .   

   People be aware of the following fake sites that actually do rip people off:

  asicminers.com with an s is a fake site .   The site without the s is selling for $20,000

  altmininggear.com .  scam site

 baikalminermarket.com   fake scam

1.  It really is almost the same thing.  Mining in a pool is not mining directly, they are both based on market driven factors so both provide good data.  Nice hash is 'nice' because it averages in profit based on rates over time, while something like whattomine will just use the current exchange rate "now".   So I would look at nicehash as a better indicator of profit ratrher that a one time picture of pascal at 8am in the morning on a Saturday etc.  My feeling is that is less accurate.

2.  The general public does not spend 20k on miners in one order.  They spend 2k, they buy 1  or 2.  The general public is mostly considered people who are going to use the product.  Not people looking to buy and resell.  We are not talking resellers here.  Making it available to the general public means selling it through conventional means, not through wire transfer etc... I dont know why this is so hard to understand.

3.  Have no idea where you get this info from.. but its just wrong

4.  Thats ok, I do too... GPU miners will fluctuate, Litecoin miners as well and maybe even DASH might be doing better now... Its the nature of the beast.    I guess  I cannot understand how you think 16k is a good price for this thing.  Maybe it is because you have one and are delusional.

5.  The A3 is in the same situation.  But atleast Bitmain limited the quantity..  People still, even though there was a limit created multiple accounts and bought multiple devices, but it made it much harder for them to do.  That is a good thing.  In this day and age, we dont need resellers, we dont need a distribution channel that just raises the prices for no reason, so yeah, baikal should follow Bitmains lead and start limited their customers.
 
    Many other scams on Ebay and Alibaba as well.

 
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Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: Saph on January 21, 2018, 02:55:48 PM
@Bittawm

since you're close to shipping, I have a few questions:

- Is there a CE-marking on the package or the hardware? It is not allowed to import hardware without the marking into EU and the customs always take a look into it. Just a small sticker is sometimes enough.
- Can you please include a bill with the Baikal price for the VAT?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: bittawm on January 21, 2018, 07:52:25 PM
@Bittawm

since you're close to shipping, I have a few questions:

- Is there a CE-marking on the package or the hardware? It is not allowed to import hardware without the marking into EU and the customs always take a look into it. Just a small sticker is sometimes enough.
- Can you please include a bill with the Baikal price for the VAT?

I still do not have the packages yet.

I will double check for the CE marking.

Our prices are plus tax, if you need to pay tax when the miner arrives; that is your business to sort out.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: Saph on January 21, 2018, 10:19:21 PM
I'm talking about the price on the bill. If it's baikal price, I have to pay way less than if you put the price of your shop.
Usually it's around 19% of the price


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ON SCHEDULE FOR JAN DELIVERY
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 06:37:38 AM
MINERS HERE AND WILL BE SHIPPED OUT OVER THE NEXT DAY / TWO DAYS IT IS 7PM NZ TIME NOW.

I WILL GET TO WORK TOMORROW MORNING

APART FROM SOME RACK RASH THE MINERS LOOK GOOD

CHEERS GUYS


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: sidgrip on January 23, 2018, 06:52:16 AM
Thank you sir   ;D


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: agentkennethwang on January 23, 2018, 07:32:22 AM
Which coin is currently most profitable to mine with the gaint-b and which pool?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: Saph on January 23, 2018, 11:48:53 AM
@bittawm

Thank you for the update!  ;)

Some signs of CE-marking?
Are you providing a waybill?

I would pay for a premium shipment (DHL?) to make it faster if I had the option


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 06:57:51 PM
@bittawm

Thank you for the update!  ;)

Some signs of CE-marking?
Are you providing a waybill?

I would pay for a premium shipment (DHL?) to make it faster if I had the option

Yes we will be shipping off today and tomorrow, although I am struggling to find a CE marking


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: Dlikrot on January 23, 2018, 07:24:58 PM
It’s maybe a bad advice, but buy a roll of CE markings yourself for future sales xD


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
@bittawm

Thank you for the update!  ;)

Some signs of CE-marking?
Are you providing a waybill?

I would pay for a premium shipment (DHL?) to make it faster if I had the option

Yes we will be shipping off today and tomorrow, although I am struggling to find a CE marking

can anyone find out if other batches came with CE markings? if so where?



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: HagssFIN on January 23, 2018, 07:34:23 PM
Would the control board or hash boards have any CE and also possibly ROHS markings in them?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: HagssFIN on January 23, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 07:40:10 PM
Would the control board or hash boards have any CE and also possibly ROHS markings in them?

I have had a quick look at the controllers and hashboards and I cannot see any CE Marking.

the last thing I want is this kit being destroyed before it can get to Europe


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

thanks HagssFIN I will take another look


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 23, 2018, 08:01:38 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

thanks HagssFIN I will take another look

if anyone can locate this CE marking on Giant Bs please inform me ASAP


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: citronick on January 23, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

thanks HagssFIN I will take another look

if anyone can locate this CE marking on Giant Bs please inform me ASAP

Worst case scenario... ask Baikal to send the certificate if any?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: Saph on January 23, 2018, 09:20:37 PM
@bittawm
Ok, just talked to a guy from Germany. He got his Giant today and customs didn't pay attention to CE, only wanted tax. (I hope I only need to pay tax on Baikals price, not Bittawmart ;))
But yeah, it could be a problem if they had a bad day. But I think it's more unlikey


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 24, 2018, 12:04:44 AM
@bittawm
Ok, just talked to a guy from Germany. He got his Giant today and customs didn't pay attention to CE, only wanted tax. (I hope I only need to pay tax on Baikals price, not Bittawmart ;))
But yeah, it could be a problem if they had a bad day. But I think it's more unlikey

over 95% were sold at 4400usd (half price from manufacturer new prices)

processing now


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: igotek on January 24, 2018, 12:08:41 AM
do you have any Baikal Giant+ A2000 miner ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: igotek on January 24, 2018, 12:10:43 AM

Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

i cannot open the pages from imgur. is it possible to upload it to somewhere else pls ?



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: HagssFIN on January 24, 2018, 12:13:46 AM
It's not my upload....


I just tried to help


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 24, 2018, 07:06:34 PM
UPDATE:

all miners have been either

1. Sent directly to customers (customers that we have sent waybills)

2. sent to one of our USA contacts to reship out, directly from baikal (they will all be out within the next day and waybills will be updated and sent to customers)

We are also shipping out hundreds of futurebitmoonlander2s

Once again thank you for all of your support this round.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: Saph on January 24, 2018, 11:04:58 PM
Does it mean, you sent the miner to USA to send them to EU again? Or do they ship it out tomorrow from USA?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: minernoob1978 on January 25, 2018, 07:58:27 AM
Does it mean, you sent the miner to USA to send them to EU again? Or do they ship it out tomorrow from USA?

that would be strange if they send first to usa and then from usa to eu, why no directly from factory to  > EU saving moneys is not priority for customers?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: bittawm on January 25, 2018, 08:01:38 AM
Does it mean, you sent the miner to USA to send them to EU again? Or do they ship it out tomorrow from USA?

that would be strange if they send first to usa and then from usa to eu, why no directly from factory to  > EU saving moneys is not priority for customers?

we did not have enough EU customer to warrent a direct shipment from baikal to the EU.

We also do not have an EU location to distribute.

Half of our orders were sent from NZ and the other half USA

Cheers


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: bittawm on January 25, 2018, 11:36:24 PM
all orders shipped


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Saph on January 26, 2018, 12:41:02 PM
UPS status:
Your package may be delayed due to address verification by the clearing agency. / We've contacted the sender.


Had to call UPS about this. Shipped with incorrect street address. The first 5 letters were missing.
I can see the correct address on my order status in the shop.

Check your waybills to be sure


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: Zak45 on January 28, 2018, 07:16:50 PM

we did not have enough EU customer to warrent a direct shipment from baikal to the EU.

We also do not have an EU location to distribute.

Half of our orders were sent from NZ and the other half USA

Cheers

My home in Austria can be the EU dist. next time. Just throw a couple in for me ;) Or seriously - Hungary via Austrian distributor.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - BUY HERE - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - 5 units left 15k ea
Post by: Zak45 on January 28, 2018, 08:33:20 PM

...

5.  Actually nothing really much different.  They were all gone in one day and the A3 is now only available for those who are willing to pay $9,000 .    The winners and losers will be determined later.   At least hey are providing an honest service .


I don't want to destroy your glorified thoughts on the company behind the A3. A company one should coin a 'BitBully'. And I think they sold like 10.. or 100 of them. Wow!!


https://siamining.com/addresses/7edc4179a72eb40deb080f7d997db98d59c0efba5fb16b24631ecaec7b8673cab5042b3223a3

This basically speaks for itself.

That’s just A3 numbers 184 through 203. Do the research yourself. I’m guessing there are about 40,000,000 of these units sitting on shelves... but not just sitting there. And waiting for you to buy.. yes. In 2-3 months if you are lucky. Not so lucky for siacoin. And thanks BitBullies for centralizing de-centralization. That makes a beginner like me really excited about even just trying to join in on the mining fun. Thanks Fs. Sorry if offended.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: JPP1972 on January 28, 2018, 10:09:36 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

thanks HagssFIN I will take another look
I think that is not the correct CE marking.


http://mondos-porco.blogspot.it/2015/12/la-cina-falsifica-il-marchio-ce-europeo_15.html


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - MINERS HAVE ARRIVED
Post by: HagssFIN on January 28, 2018, 10:21:19 PM
Here is an example picture of the Cube miner. You can see the CE marking there, after the model name "BAIKAL Cube V1.4". https://imgur.com/nqVMfZS

thanks HagssFIN I will take another look
I think that is not the correct CE marking.


http://mondos-porco.blogspot.it/2015/12/la-cina-falsifica-il-marchio-ce-europeo_15.html

You are correct, they have printed the 'C' and 'E' too close together.

It looks more like the bull shit 'China Export' marking.

So I stand corrected.

We have no 100% certainty that the Baikal cube actually has a legit CE conformity.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on January 29, 2018, 05:09:15 AM
all orders shipped

Bitmain site is twitching right now all prices in yen, check out what they charge their domestic customers, half motha f'ing half...dafuq


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: bucketofsocks on January 29, 2018, 05:26:28 PM
Got mine all set up and hashing away. Thanks Bittawm

What do y'all run your fans at? Whats a safe temperature for these, at default its pretty loud but I don't want to hurt it either, running about 40 C or 30 if I open the window.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: CTA513 on January 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
Received mine about 30 minutes ago and have it up and running.
So far everything seems to be working correctly.



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: oomurashin on January 30, 2018, 07:48:53 AM
all orders shipped
my miner had be recived today! also work fine and stable!!!
thank you bittaw!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

https://imgur.com/a/PTAE8


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: ASIC Miners on January 30, 2018, 08:21:01 AM
Received mine about 30 minutes ago and have it up and running.
So far everything seems to be working correctly.


What's your current ROI for it?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on January 31, 2018, 04:37:12 AM
Received mine about 30 minutes ago and have it up and running.
So far everything seems to be working correctly.


What's your current ROI for it?

It's instant ROI as soon as you plug in the power supply


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: CTA513 on January 31, 2018, 06:15:33 AM
Received mine about 30 minutes ago and have it up and running.
So far everything seems to be working correctly.


What's your current ROI for it?

about 2 months, but I expect it to increase once more people get them.
I paid the group buy price of $4,500, not the $10,000+ other people paid once the first batch was sold out.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: ventrader01 on January 31, 2018, 06:17:18 AM
FYI just got a reply from baikal:  Giant and X10 on $7k each (min 6).  Giant for end of Feb.... X10 on 10 days.
Anybody in USA want to group buy ?


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on January 31, 2018, 06:28:45 AM
FYI just got a reply from baikal:  Giant and X10 on $7k each (min 6).  Giant for end of Feb.... X10 on 10 days.
Anybody in USA want to group buy ?
I give them a FIRM no thank you. I got the same response figuring they would have dropped prices due to extreme flooding of these units but they seem to think the opposite.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: p90xinsanity on January 31, 2018, 06:58:12 AM
hey guys I have 2 units left for sale.

I was one of the first batch buyers that got it for 3600, PM me to discuss price. I"m offering it cheaper than these insane prices others are asking.

Thanks.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Frizz23 on January 31, 2018, 07:13:46 AM
good to hear at least people finally got their devices.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: danX88 on January 31, 2018, 10:40:59 AM
Good Day,

which room temparature is the best for Baikals B´s? They need special cooling in summer?

Regards



Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on January 31, 2018, 10:23:56 PM
Good Day,

which room temparature is the best for Baikals B´s? They need special cooling in summer?

Regards


Power consumed will be exerted as a heat so some control is needed, stay on top of your humidity and temps


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: comoes3 on February 01, 2018, 12:23:03 AM
hey guys I have 2 units left for sale.

I was one of the first batch buyers that got it for 3600, PM me to discuss price. I"m offering it cheaper than these insane prices others are asking.

Thanks.

I just sent you a pm. Thanks


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on February 01, 2018, 03:41:25 AM
FYI just got a reply from baikal:  Giant and X10 on $7k each (min 6).  Giant for end of Feb.... X10 on 10 days.
Anybody in USA want to group buy ?
I give them a FIRM no thank you. I got the same response figuring they would have dropped prices due to extreme flooding of these units but they seem to think the opposite.


At first I was excited at $3600 or even $4500 , but now the machines only produce only a fraction and keep dropping . Also , soon the other algos  wont be very profitable.  The odd thing is how asicminermarket is taking orders for end of February for $6668.   The whole thing seems strange and backwards.   


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on February 02, 2018, 02:04:18 AM
About two weeks later and the BAIKAL GIANT B is mining how much per day right now....


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: bittawm on February 02, 2018, 03:08:25 AM
Hello I just just wondering what payments you accept and if credit cards are back online?

Thanks

We are working with a local payment gateway company to make sure credit card sales come back asasp. although right now it is just crypto


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: iwik on February 08, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
About two weeks later and the BAIKAL GIANT B is mining how much per day right now....

$30/day


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: percy_tc on February 08, 2018, 11:17:45 AM
You can earn more with ARGO.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Steven3iii on February 08, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
I think the pricing is starting to get away from reality. Greed is definitely a sin.  ::)

It may beget the seller.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on February 09, 2018, 02:51:39 AM
I think the pricing is starting to get away from reality. Greed is definitely a sin.  ::)

It may beget the seller.

Who's greedy ?  Baikal for raising their prices ? The people selling them for $16000 ? The buyers?   It's just the free market.  Things will have to settle down because the machines  no longer perform. I decided not to buy into it until the prices fall.

   Greed is the man who cheats others so he can enrichen himself.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: STATIK on February 09, 2018, 03:35:19 AM
Problem is greed got the best of the saps that wanted to buy it at 16k to begin with


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: oomurashin on February 09, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
hi,bittaw do you add Holong mining products?  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: shaninium on February 09, 2018, 08:57:53 PM
Hi bittaw when do u get new gpu rigs in


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on February 10, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
Problem is greed got the best of the saps that wanted to buy it at 16k to begin with


I think your right on this one.   Now , thinking about it, was the greed of the buyers , not the sellers . Better to Buy into fear and sell into greed.   

 


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Saph on February 13, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
How is the warranty handled?
Has anyone some experience with Baikal or Bittawmart?

Thank you


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: ah01 on March 05, 2018, 04:55:28 AM
Hi all,

Where is everyone at with these? What is the profitability now per month?
I'm from new zealand and keen to buy one.

Does anyone have any advice please? Is it still worth it or should I steer clear?

Thank you


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: ASIC Miners on March 05, 2018, 06:41:43 AM
Hi all,

Where is everyone at with these? What is the profitability now per month?
I'm from new zealand and keen to buy one.

Does anyone have any advice please? Is it still worth it or should I steer clear?

Thank you

Has been fluctuating between 25-35 in profit per day


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on March 05, 2018, 08:24:40 AM
Hi all,

Where is everyone at with these? What is the profitability now per month?
I'm from new zealand and keen to buy one.

Does anyone have any advice please? Is it still worth it or should I steer clear?

Thank you

  I am considering buying 4.  The prices have been dropping every few weeks.   Asic Miner Market has them for $5500 if you are ok with end of March shipping .   However , I believe they will drop the price again if you are patient .  I believe $4500 is more than fair for these .

         I bought an X10 from them for $6500 and wish I would have waited. 


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: belaweb2 on March 05, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
4500 is to much...


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: oomurashin on March 05, 2018, 06:18:29 PM
i bought B from bittaw @4400USD  ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: belaweb2 on March 05, 2018, 06:23:33 PM
i bought B from bittaw @4400USD  ;) ;) ;)
::)


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on March 06, 2018, 12:38:22 AM
i bought B from bittaw @4400USD  ;) ;) ;)
::)

   I tried to buy at the time but they sold quickly .   Some people complained about the $3600 price point while others paid $18,000. 

   For me $4500 would be my target .   A couple of my gpu rigs cost more than that and produce less while using three times as much energy.


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: bittawm on March 06, 2018, 02:45:40 AM
we still have two units in stock but they are 7800usd each.

prepared to go to 14k on both of them and include shipping in that price.

Cheers


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: rigide on March 10, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
we still have two units in stock but they are 7800usd each.

prepared to go to 14k on both of them and include shipping in that price.

Cheers

These are worth *maybe* 4k each.. and dropping..


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: tomwrx on March 11, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
we still have two units in stock but they are 7800usd each.

prepared to go to 14k on both of them and include shipping in that price.

Cheers

These are worth *maybe* 4k each.. and dropping..

I would say worth max 2000 usd and dropping...


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: belaweb2 on March 11, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
we still have two units in stock but they are 7800usd each.

prepared to go to 14k on both of them and include shipping in that price.

Cheers

These are worth *maybe* 4k each.. and dropping..

I would say worth max 2000 usd and dropping...


Agree


Title: Re: BAIKAL GIANT B - WWW.BITTAWMART.COM - ORDERS HAVE BEEN SHIPPED
Post by: Dudukian on March 13, 2018, 06:19:14 AM
we still have two units in stock but they are 7800usd each.

prepared to go to 14k on both of them and include shipping in that price.

Cheers

These are worth *maybe* 4k each.. and dropping..

I would say worth max 2000 usd and dropping...


Agree

   Its been a wild ride.  They went from $4,000 to $18,000 , down to  $7,000 and now heading towards $4,000 again.

   The main problem now is the limited coins that remain profitable to justify even a $4,000 price .     Decred , Sia and Blake are fading away. 

   Library and Pascal are the only hope in the long run, but the ROI could be a long wait .  Actually Pascal might not be that great either when 10,000 machines go online.