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Title: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 04, 2011, 08:08:14 PM
if anybody is familiar with this basic investment concept. Now my question is what's your stop loss? You're holding BTCs because you either bought them or mined them. Either way, do you set any stop loss?

For me, I'll probably sell all my BTCs if the price goes below $10.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: evoorhees on July 04, 2011, 08:23:11 PM
No stop loss... the lower the price goes the more I'll buy, because I don't trust the market price, I trust my instincts. That's another basic investment concept  ;)


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: kwukduck on July 04, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
I'm with evoorhees


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 04, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
then what's your guys' target price?


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: error on July 04, 2011, 08:28:48 PM
Holidays are great for bargain shopping. Not only is my email full of discounted deals on a wide variety of products, but Bitcoins are on sale at bargain prices too!


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Jaime Frontero on July 04, 2011, 08:36:25 PM
i had a stop loss, a few weeks ago.

i put $1,600 into mining equipment in march, and i figured i'd hold 200 BTC on an $8 sell contract, just to be sure i could get the USD out.

but i got rid of that contract.  made no sense.

i figure i'm better off spending the BTC back into the community, to help it grow.

you're in or you're out.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Grant on July 04, 2011, 08:39:31 PM
Now my question is what's your stop loss?

I only have stop gain, no stop loss. The name of the game is WINNING! ;)


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: evoorhees on July 04, 2011, 08:50:36 PM
then what's your guys' target price?

No idea... trying to "name the correct price" on something so new, revolutionary, volatile, and downright crazy is a fool's errand. Or in other words, target price is between $0.10 and $10,000 per coin. SO many variables, and the timeframe for every variable is also a variable.

I'm buying them because I believe in the concept, and in the market need for frictionless free-market money. I have no idea what the right price is, but I know these are wildly valuable to humanity - we'll see if humanity recognizes this =)


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 04, 2011, 09:06:51 PM
I have my belief in BTC myself but I'm not going to argue against the market (well, if the market crashed due to some hacking, that's a different story). While I'm typing, the price continues to fall. Too bad it'll take some a couple of hours for my funds to be transferred.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: cypherdoc on July 04, 2011, 09:18:45 PM
then what's your guys' target price?

No idea... trying to "name the correct price" on something so new, revolutionary, volatile, and downright crazy is a fool's errand. Or in other words, target price is between $0.10 and $10,000 per coin. SO many variables, and the timeframe for every variable is also a variable.

I'm buying them because I believe in the concept, and in the market need for frictionless free-market money. I have no idea what the right price is, but I know these are wildly valuable to humanity - we'll see if humanity recognizes this =)

well said.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: cypherdoc on July 04, 2011, 09:19:19 PM
i for one am buying on the way down.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Astrohacker on July 04, 2011, 10:20:31 PM
if anybody is familiar with this basic investment concept. Now my question is what's your stop loss? You're holding BTCs because you either bought them or mined them. Either way, do you set any stop loss?

For me, I'll probably sell all my BTCs if the price goes below $10.

I think you have this backwards. You're supposed to buy when it's low, and sell when it's high.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: imperi on July 04, 2011, 10:21:07 PM
if anybody is familiar with this basic investment concept. Now my question is what's your stop loss? You're holding BTCs because you either bought them or mined them. Either way, do you set any stop loss?

For me, I'll probably sell all my BTCs if the price goes below $10.

I think you have this backwards. You're supposed to buy when it's low, and sell when it's high.

He'll probably buy back when Bitcoins are in good shape at $20.  ;D

"Buy high, sell low".


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 04, 2011, 10:23:29 PM
I don't buy them back, never. I just mine them. My question is always whether I should hold on to the coins I mined because they have the potential to go to $100, or whether I should sell them before they go to $0.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: MatthewLM on July 04, 2011, 10:25:10 PM
Wouldn't you be annoyed if the stop loss was triggered and then the price went right back up again?


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: FreeMoney on July 04, 2011, 10:35:16 PM
Are there people who prefer a coin over $15, but then days (or minutes?) later prefer $10 over a coin?


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Jaime Frontero on July 04, 2011, 10:37:16 PM
Are there people who prefer a coin over $15, but then days (or minutes?) later prefer $10 over a coin?

lots.

and it doesn't take much to push them in either direction.

hence... the troll.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: error on July 05, 2011, 01:42:40 AM
I don't buy them back, never. I just mine them. My question is always whether I should hold on to the coins I mined because they have the potential to go to $100, or whether I should sell them before they go to $0.

If you're just mining, and not speculating at all, then just sell them as you get them.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Jack of Diamonds on July 05, 2011, 01:51:36 AM
I don't buy them back, never. I just mine them. My question is always whether I should hold on to the coins I mined because they have the potential to go to $100, or whether I should sell them before they go to $0.

If you're just mining, and not speculating at all, then just sell them as you get them.

Impossible for small miners. Say you are selling 5 BTC at $70 bucks and want a wire transfer.
You go on tradehill, pay fees just to sell the coins, then pay a $45 withdrawal fee to actually get the cash out.

You end up getting 25 bucks for 5 BTC, or $5 each. Maybe even less if your bank has fees for receiving wires, or ATM withdrawals etc., making your mining efforts essentially worthless.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: DamienBlack on July 05, 2011, 01:55:35 AM
I don't buy them back, never. I just mine them. My question is always whether I should hold on to the coins I mined because they have the potential to go to $100, or whether I should sell them before they go to $0.

If you're just mining, and not speculating at all, then just sell them as you get them.

Impossible for small miners. Say you are selling 5 BTC at $70 bucks and want a wire transfer.
You go on tradehill, pay fees just to sell the coins, then pay a $45 withdrawal fee to actually get the cash out.

You end up getting 25 bucks for 5 BTC, or $5 each. Maybe even less if your bank has fees for receiving wires, or ATM withdrawals etc., making your mining efforts essentially worthless.

Then don't do a wire transfer. Pick one of the many other, cheaper methods. Problem solved.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Adam on July 05, 2011, 02:03:30 AM
I don't have a stop loss, but I'll admit I sold some bitcoins today for the first time since they were over $30, which seems a lot longer ago than it really was.  I'm just starting to get nervous about lower daily trade volume and wondering how much new money is really flowing into the system.  I have no problem when the price drops in response to supply from miners or from early adopters because at least new money is entering the bitcoin economy.  But when speculators start losing interest and selling and you lack any new money to replace them - that's when we'll really take a price hit.

I'm especially concerned about volume now that the major exchanges are offering much lower fees.  You would think that it would be a lot higher than in the past simply from people taking advantage of arbitrage to make a few bucks here and there.  Hopefully we're still in the weekend doldrums considering it's a holiday in the US and banks are closed.  If we have another down day tomorrow though, I'll be worried.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pointbiz on July 05, 2011, 02:13:23 AM
don't have one.

how do you propose people send money from country A to country B ?
wire transfer? WU?

that's not possible from all countries.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Jack of Diamonds on July 05, 2011, 02:33:03 AM
Then don't do a wire transfer. Pick one of the many other, cheaper methods. Problem solved.

A lot of countries can't join LR and Dwolla is for USA users only.

What other international options are there if you need the cash in your hands?


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: NO_SLAVE on July 05, 2011, 02:35:34 AM
already passed my stop loss, its gut check time.
On the sidelines.....


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: mizike29 on July 05, 2011, 02:35:51 AM
Definitely do not like seeing this at 13 bux a pop, I bought all mine at 14 bux, so I hope it stops, balances out and then gets its butt up ,  Sale price would be under 9 I think for me, if it kept going down steady for a week, I believe in the concept and I hope it keeps picking up speed and hopefully this is the fourth of july weekend low trading ccausing these issues, and people still sellling out.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: NO_SLAVE on July 05, 2011, 02:46:46 AM
Definitely do not like seeing this at 13 bux a pop, I bought all mine at 14 bux, so I hope it stops, balances out and then gets its butt up ,  Sale price would be under 9 I think for me, if it kept going down steady for a week, I believe in the concept and I hope it keeps picking up speed and hopefully this is the fourth of july weekend low trading ccausing these issues, and people still sellling out.

support is broken and the greater fool line is very short, why would it go up? the market fundamentals are not there.

I suppose magic, as in magic the gathering will save us all.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 05, 2011, 03:14:54 AM
I don't buy them back, never. I just mine them. My question is always whether I should hold on to the coins I mined because they have the potential to go to $100, or whether I should sell them before they go to $0.

If you're just mining, and not speculating at all, then just sell them as you get them.

Yes, that's what I should have done. When the price was at 30, I already mined 2 BTCs (regrettably didn't sell). Now I have to sell 5 BTCs in order to get $60.

Just sold 1/3 of all my BTCs for $13.59 on average. Will continue to sell at least 1/3 while mining.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 05, 2011, 03:19:56 AM
Definitely do not like seeing this at 13 bux a pop, I bought all mine at 14 bux, so I hope it stops, balances out and then gets its butt up ,  Sale price would be under 9 I think for me, if it kept going down steady for a week, I believe in the concept and I hope it keeps picking up speed and hopefully this is the fourth of july weekend low trading ccausing these issues, and people still sellling out.

July 4th the volume is actually not that low:

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=1291&m=mtgoxUSD&k=&r=60&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&SubmitButton=Draw&


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: SlipperySlope on July 05, 2011, 03:20:07 AM
I sold my 12 month hoard of mined bitcoins at around $15.5.  I am also selling new mined coins at market.  This bubble has to completely deflate before I start hoarding again.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Oldminer on July 05, 2011, 03:23:03 AM
I sold my 12 month hoard of mined bitcoins at around $15.5.  I am also selling new mined coins at market.  This bubble has to completely deflate before I start hoarding again.


I got out of the kitchen at low $15's...  ;D


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: ShaggyB (BitCoinWorldMarket) on July 05, 2011, 03:24:39 AM
if anybody is familiar with this basic investment concept. Now my question is what's your stop loss? You're holding BTCs because you either bought them or mined them. Either way, do you set any stop loss?

For me, I'll probably sell all my BTCs if the price goes below $10.

I think you have this backwards. You're supposed to buy when it's low, and sell when it's high.

He'll probably buy back when Bitcoins are in good shape at $20.  ;D

"Buy high, sell low".

Holey Swiss Cheese Batman, I've been doing it wrong this whole time!


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Matarael on July 05, 2011, 03:27:30 AM
Stop loss was about a dollar ago.

My buy will be as close as I can guess to then end of this fall.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 05, 2011, 03:28:39 AM
I sold my 12 month hoard of mined bitcoins at around $15.5.  I am also selling new mined coins at market.  This bubble has to completely deflate before I start hoarding again.


I got out of the kitchen at low $15's...  ;D

OK. You guys scared me. Sold another 1/3 of my coins. Hopefully tomorrow we can have a bounce and I can sell my remaining 1/3 into.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: nemo on July 05, 2011, 03:34:05 AM
I've completely prepared myself mentally and emotionally for bitcoins to fail. I won't sell until I can buy a house. Infact, I'm buying when they hit rock bottom and everybody's patting themselves on the back with this "I told you so" shit. What can I say? I'm a financial masochist.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pennytrader on July 05, 2011, 03:39:58 AM
Now I have some fund in mtgox after the sale, and I'll probaly buy some back when the price hits below $10 (or even lower when everyone is panicking). If the price doesn't drop? even better, I still have 1/3 of coins to sell :)


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: NO_SLAVE on July 05, 2011, 03:57:43 AM
If this 13.50 price level doesnt hold, its going to 8.10 before it sees any support.

you read it here first, now watch the show.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Oldminer on July 05, 2011, 03:58:41 AM
If this 13.50 price level doesnt hold, its going to 8.10 before it sees any support.


Yup, no end in sight yet


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: DamienBlack on July 05, 2011, 04:00:46 AM
If this 13.50 price level doesnt hold, its going to 8.10 before it sees any support.

you read it here first, now watch the show.

I think it would find support around $10. There is a lot of psychological support for any single digit number. If $10 breaks, I think it is a free fall. maybe all the way < $5.

On the other hand, I think it would only take a small rally to see $17 again.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: pdawg on July 05, 2011, 04:42:58 AM
If this 13.50 price level doesnt hold, its going to 8.10 before it sees any support.

you read it here first, now watch the show.
+1

Although, I am in accumulation mode.   So I will keep mining until it is cheaper to purchase outright.  I think bitcoins have immense potential.  BTC is in its infancy.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: tvbcof on July 05, 2011, 04:49:48 AM
I bought into my position to hold for a time period measured in years and use (internet services, wikileaks, etc.)  I set buys at various point downward, and most of the non-absurd ones have been taken out so I'm more or less done.

I bought into my position within the last few weeks.  I got interested in Bitcoin some months ago, but had so much other stuff going on that it rolled off my plate.  Oh well.  My stop loss is zero...I went in with the understanding that I could and very possibly would lose it all.  Bitcoin seems one of the most worthwhile causes I've seen in...well...possibly forever.  (Monetary systems are IMHO one of the very most critical things on earth and they influence quality of life for everybody.)

A big factor in my timing (that is, ASAP) was that I wanted to take a position before any obvious legal stuff worked it's way through the legislature.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2011, 04:53:09 AM
Zero.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: imperi on July 05, 2011, 04:54:32 AM
Zero.

This.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: NO_SLAVE on July 05, 2011, 05:06:29 AM
If this 13.50 price level doesnt hold, its going to 8.10 before it sees any support.

you read it here first, now watch the show.

I think it would find support around $10. There is a lot of psychological support for any single digit number. If $10 breaks, I think it is a free fall. maybe all the way < $5.

On the other hand, I think it would only take a small rally to see $17 again.

probably a little bounce there....


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: triforcelink on July 05, 2011, 07:13:25 AM
When hackers break bitcoin.. but it will probably be too late to do anything then, so zero.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: Oldminer on July 05, 2011, 08:36:11 AM

I think it would find support around $10. There is a lot of psychological support for any single digit number. If $10 breaks, I think it is a free fall. maybe all the way < $5.


There's a bit of support at $11 & $10.50..nothing beyond that..so yea if it breaks I guess we'd be in freefall...


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: SlipperySlope on July 05, 2011, 03:43:22 PM
I bought into my position to hold for a time period measured in years and use (internet services, wikileaks, etc.)  I set buys at various point downward, and most of the non-absurd ones have been taken out so I'm more or less done.


I expect that if the price of bitcoins falls back to April levels as the bubble deflates, you would be delighted to buy some more at, or under, one dollar each.


Title: Re: what's your stop loss
Post by: 7iain7 on July 05, 2011, 05:48:40 PM
simple cost plus.