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Make sure you do your due diligence prior to signing on the dotted line. Make sure you know exactly who you're conducting business with.

A quick reminder: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48863.msg597739#msg597739


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48863.msg597751#msg597751


From June 14, 2006: http://web.archive.org/web/20060901124114/http://www.communityhosting.net/faqs.html


For those not aware, Community Hosting is a company that Josh of BFL owns. The address for the Bryant Building is 1102 GRAND, KC, virtually across the street from where BFL first used as their office/mailing address.

Another data center located even closer is 1100 S Walnut, KC. I'll explain the significance of that address in a sec, but first here's the map showing its location in relationship to 25 E 12th St., KC, BFL's address still used on BitPay's site.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/9341509350_95db4f6eac_o.jpg

Note the 1102 Grand address in the image above, better showcased below:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/9322062571_5ce88ab350_o.jpg

The Zaina restaurant could be seen from the 1100 S Walnut St. address.

It's common knowledge that these addresses are related: http://www.kcix.net/infrastructure.html


http://www.kcix.net/about.html


As you can see, the relationship between Josh, Aaron and Joe stem over seven years.

Josh has been hosting FPGAs at at least one of the above addresses for over a year. Do you really believe he's going to give up such a lucrative endeavor to J. Morgan and Associates, or is it more likely that Josh, Aaron and Joe make up said endeavor?

http://kcmocolo.com/


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3761-local-pickup-being-discontinued.html#post46482


Josh is part of the Hosting Provider.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090209221229/http://joesdatacenter.com/aboutus.html


The phone number used for kcmocolo.com is the same one used for Joe's dad, Kevin, when he ran for polical office: https://plus.google.com/112484392824511011719/about

shit just got real

I'm just gettin' warmed up!

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/19100000/Scent-of-a-woman-al-pacino-movies-19176710-639-343.jpg

Read it all, still not sure what you are claiming though. tldr?

tldr; found a bunch of names and addresses while using Google.

She's a witch!  Burn her!  Err...him!  What?  ???

I've signed up at kcmocolo/J. Morgan for hosting some Single SC's, though they haven't been delivered there, yet.

It looks like they're affiliated with Joe's Data Center (joesdatacenter.com (http://joesdatacenter.com)).  I heard about Joe's DC years ago, and they seem to have a good reputation.

As for Josh hosting out of that data center, I think it makes sense he would choose a local data center given the choice.

Whether Josh is involved with this new J. Morgan & Associates hosting service or not, I don't know.  If he is, that would be a plus.

Josh is already hosting at one of the mentioned data center of which he owns. Three of the data center addresses mention on the KCIX site are literally within walking distance from each other. It would take less than ten minutes to walk from any one of them to the other two and BFL's original address, physically touching all four buildings.

The only thing that I haven't figured out YET is how BFL is able to collect the mail addressed to 25 E. 12th St. without a suite number.

Can you research my dentist next? I woke up after root canal with a sore ass. Somethings gotta be up.

I hate when that happens...

Maybe mail just goes to building?  Sorted there.

I have a hosting facility available for anyone who may want hosting and at a different site.   PM me for details or see my signature.   

Sounds like fishy business along with the rest of the LabRat stuff.

Josh even stated in no uncertain terms that if you have reservations about hosting on his Eclipse MC pool, he'll be happy to create another pool for you to do such. It's akin to either hosting the physical units at his data center, or another of which he has a direct relationship with its proprietors.

How happy is BFL with such a setup?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48863.msg634982#msg634982

Hello,

I wanted to clarify some things that are being said or at least insinuated here. My name is Joe Morgan I own and operate both Joe's Datacenter, LLC and J Morgan & Associates, LLC (aka kcmocolo.com). They are separate companies with separate facilities but I use one address for mailing. I am the SOLE owner of both company's and have no affiliation with Butterfly Labs other than they are sending their customers to us for hosting as they decided not to do it themselves. I cannot speak for BFL or Josh as to where he has hosted in the past but I will say that almost anything hosted in Kansas City is going to be in one of three or four buildings downtown all within a couple blocks of eachother. You could find hundreds of hosting companies that show one of those buildings as their address or as a place they host and they are still completely different companies. Josh has never been an employee or part owner of any of my companies and is not on the payroll. Aaron owns another datacenter in Kansas City and we have both had facilities in the same buildings but otherwise we are unaffiliated as well. KCIX that was mentioned is a peering exchange which the entire point of peering exchanges is that local close by data centers can run a network cable between eachother to save bandwidth on outside carriers when the traffic was going between them anyway. As for Morgansites.com that is my parents web hosting business and they were in fact my first customer and hosting their server was how I got into the hosting business. Not sure the relevance. My father ran for political office this last year and I managed a phone system for him and purchased that phone number for that purpose. Now that his campaign is over I still had the number and used it for this company. I don't see what the relevance of my parents or the phone number has to do with anything other than Phinnaeus trying to point out how good his Google skills are. I say that somewhat Joking and don't mean to offend but for someone telling people to do the research because xyz then not actually doing the research as to if xyz are true makes you a hypocrite. Phinnaeus please feel free to call me Telephone: +1 816 335 4115 and I will do my best to help clarify whatever you need. I would appreciate if you would give me the chance to explain my situation before trying to scare potential customers away when you have never done business with me and have little knowledge of how my company actually operates.

Thanks,
Joe Morgan

I have my rigs hosted by Joe Morgan and I am very happy with his service

Darn it, Joe - there you go. Destroying a perfectly entertaining borderline paranoid delusional rant, by means of injecting some fact into the field of play.

My apologies, Joe. I was not aware that Josh has abandoned his very own hosting company working directly with BFL.


It probably proved to be not profitable, hence handing over all the Bitcoin mining hosting reins to Joe, of which is probably in better position to profit with such a venture then Josh was with the data center he owns.

In closing, a very simple question: Josh, where is you data center located?

OK, I'll say it.  What is BFLs scam here?  How do they profit from defrauding people in this hosting business.

That's what the thread is about

I must say that I host with Joe's and am very pleased with the service. Top notch customer service. Best datacenter I ever worked with, so far.

We don't know which or who owns the data centers that BFL's Bitcoin miners will be hosted at. First we had Josh working directly with BFL to host the miners at Josh's data center (of which exactly where that data center is located, nobody knows), now Joe comes along and clearly states that BFL is letting him host the Bitcoin miners at his data center because BFL decided to not do it themselves.

In the OP, I tried to established that Josh was employed at one of the data centers located across the street from BFL's original address, namely 25 E. 12th Street, not 25 Walnut Street as Josh once stated.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48863.msg597832#msg597832


The address on the building clearly faces 11th Street, and not Walnut, thus I'm implying Josh may have been tossing out a red herring, for he's a very, very smart man, not prone to make a simple mapping error like such. This guy's been in the service, knows Korean, and flys plains, a word idiots some times messpeels.

With the exception of rare occasions, in the US if a number on a building is seen from the street you're standing on, most likely that building's address will have the name of said street in it, especially if the building with the number is located not on the corner of the street. No way would one working on the same block as said building for a period of years, and knowing the city's numbering system like the back of their hand would make such a simple mistake.

Simple question time: Josh, how were you able to state Zaina's address incorrectly?

To drive my point home, above, open up the following image and take a look at the address on the door left of the open sign thingy on the sidewalk: https://eclipsemc.com/files/IMAG0045.jpg (image is larger than the one below)

https://eclipsemc.com/files/IMAG0045.jpg

To be clear, Josh took the picture above. The address on above the door is 23 E. 12th Street. No way in hell would a smart person state he was Walnut Street, unless...

In reference to the bold above, lets see if I can refresh your memory: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112832.msg1223379#msg1223379


http://joesdatacenter.com/about


Josh just happened to forget his other location since late 2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20060901124114/http://www.communityhosting.net/faqs.html#cat0_0

I think the mixup might be in the phrasing of "work with" there is a difference between "work with" and "work for" I work with butterfly labs to try and help people get there miners going but besides that we are unaffiliated. Doe's that make sense. Also I want to add that it is possible that Josh had equipment in multiple facilities in KC hence the different addresses listed. Its hard to find hosts that will colo something other than your typical 1-4U server and even if they would they might limit how many they would allow. It seems much more feasible to me that Josh had a couple different facilities that he would colo the equipment at. I want to say again this is just speculation on my part.

you guys love drama
 8)

Ironically, in RL I loathe it, but learnt to love to bomb online ever since I got fucked indirectly by the Bitcoinica fiasco, of which time I stumbled upon the BFL threads seeing shit that shouldn't have been occurring, but was. Now I'm waiting for the return of over $100K from InstaWallet that they were so kind to hold for me for the past four months.

Josh can't even come here and offer up a simple reply to the FCC cert issue, but he sure has a lotta time on his ass to pen post about me being the biggest piece of shit he's ever met.

And what did this piece of shit do to deserve such ridicule? Bring attention to misinformation, sometimes of which was in error, but always with the best interest of fellow bitcoiners in heart. What has Josh done to show that he has the same empathy for fellow bitcoiners? He goes on record and states that all on BitcoinTalk are monumental assholes.

How does Sonny reward Josh for making such a comment? Search this forum using the words Amen! and mantra.

I just noticed Joe's comment above. You know what I took away from it? It was written in a civil tone. Do you know how far that goes? A long motherfuckin' way!

If a mistake is made directed at an entity, then that entity comes around and shows civilly where the mistake was made, chances are not much more will come out of it. But if the same entity retorts by sticking it your ass, avoiding the main issue, then there's something amiss. That's the difference between Joe's Data Center and Josh/BFL.

With that, apologies Joe, though I never really believed that you were hiding anything. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of BFL, when they were givin' every opportunity to set the records straight. Image where they would be, and what they would be worth if only they had been straight with their fellow bitcoiners.