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Title: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 08, 2018, 09:45:13 PM
I spoke to Anacs today, and theres a new procedure change underway there. My coins went in the first week in December and it will be at least 3 more weeks, maybe more, due to
this change. I was told by another member that they are re-designing the slab insert, it will be a different color, and there will be a claim added, something along the lines of:
THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE THE VALUE OF ANY CRYPTO CURRENCY.
And, there will be a price hike to boot. $59 each, with NO discounts under ANY circumstances, for ANYONE.

Does anyone know more about this? Is it hooey? Or what is going on over there? Word is it has something to do with their insurance and not being able to cover the values of Cryptos.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 08, 2018, 10:05:58 PM
Guarantee as in lost btc from the coin while being graded? What does that mean exactly?

Thanks for bringing this to our attention


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: otrkid70 on January 08, 2018, 10:09:32 PM
I'm a Coin Fanatic of 30+ Years and i cringe at the Coin Grading Companies. I love Silver coins and especially silver Dollars. I have sent so many in to Grading companies only to be disappointed at their Level of "Professionalism"

Whenever a Coin Grading Company offers Re-Grading services which the top 3 do i just want to puke. I'm not surprised at all about their policy changes.

Every Grading service is flawed and can be over ruled by the next company. Just shows what the company is made up of.

If you use a grading Company to grade coins or Crypto tokens use it as a GENERAL Grade never ever rely on it being perfect.

For them to NOT guarantee the crypto value on a token shows their lack of investigation into a coin-token grading service. Screw them save $59 and grade it yourself with the proper learning tools out there regarding coins/tokens/


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: dazedfool on January 08, 2018, 10:28:48 PM
this should be fun.

premiums for the old slabs now?  :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 08, 2018, 10:29:03 PM

For them to NOT guarantee the crypto value on a token shows their lack of investigation into a coin-token grading service. Screw them save $59 and grade it yourself with the proper learning tools out there regarding coins/tokens/

   Couldnt agree more. Especially now with the price of BTC..too much at risk!


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 08, 2018, 10:36:48 PM
I spoke to Anacs today, and theres a new procedure change underway there. My coins went in the first week in December and it will be at least 3 more weeks, maybe more, due to
this change. I was told by another member that they are re-designing the slab insert, it will be a different color, and there will be a claim added, something along the lines of:
THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE THE VALUE OF ANY CRYPTO CURRENCY.
And, there will be a price hike to boot. $59 each, with NO discounts under ANY circumstances, for ANYONE.

Does anyone know more about this? Is it hooey? Or what is going on over there? Word is it has something to do with their insurance and not being able to cover the values of Cryptos.

I have a few of my finest killyou krazy krypto koinz at ANACS currently.  They just arrived Friday last and show a 3 week turnaround.  I paid 19$ grading fee each.  I am not saying you are incorect, but I have not been notified of a delay or increased charges.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 08, 2018, 10:49:12 PM
I have 3 orders in there right now (don't ask - poor planning)! and I just called them and they said they are just delayed a bit due to the holidays. The person I spoke with knew nothing about any changes, but I also had him put my name and number to someone in Marketing to give me a call, so I'll get back to you all once they call me back, or I'll try them again tomorrow.

Thanks!

Edit - The current submission form is valid until 6/30/18 so if they do make any "Real" changes it should be after that date, otherwise they are breaking their own rules.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: dazedfool on January 08, 2018, 10:53:19 PM
who was spreading rumors a while back that ANACS was going to stop accepting a crypto coins all together?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 09, 2018, 01:22:57 AM
I don't know Dazed, and that would totally suck if that happened.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: investorpgroovy on January 09, 2018, 04:23:54 AM
So is ANACs the only service grading physical coins ?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: TMAN on January 09, 2018, 07:30:11 AM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 09, 2018, 09:16:28 AM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I was saying this to MJ a few months back.  Baby-boomers, their biggest customers, are now dying off and theyíve GOT to be feeling that (they need the bizz)?!  Iíll happily Andy Dufresne NGC a letter a day.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: AT101ET on January 09, 2018, 10:47:25 AM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 09, 2018, 12:20:53 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: AT101ET on January 09, 2018, 12:38:37 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: TMAN on January 09, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

The fact that a piece of plastic got a better grade than many of the coins we send in says it all...... WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOURS COINS, SEND US MONEY!!!!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222756583457

https://i.imgur.com/NqR6XGW.jpg

the only reason I am pissed off is that I was going to send you 4 rolls off my next delivery for grading for fun... $2K I can handle paying for a laugh.. $6000.00 ??  forget it

but what are we all going to do for grading now? maybe the UK will be the grading capital of the world.... reverse mantis express for everyone


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 09, 2018, 01:58:40 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

ANACS is a joke. I have never used them...never will.

Someone from here should open their own grading service. Seriously, he would be more capable than those clowns. At the same time we would also trust him with our BTC. There are a few good candidates but that is up to them to take the idea and run with it.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: gentlemand on January 09, 2018, 04:23:16 PM
I occasionally toyed with the idea of sending something in in the past, but it was a lot of hassle as I'm across the water. Now these coins are worth so much there's no way in hell I'm doing it other than in person somehow, and even then I'd probably be reamed by US customs or something.

It's an idea that's off the table for me now.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Ticked on January 09, 2018, 04:41:20 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

ANACS is a joke. I have never used them...never will.

Someone from here should open their own grading service. Seriously, he would be more capable than those clowns. At the same time we would also trust him with our BTC. There are a few good candidates but that is up to them to take the idea and run with it.

I don't often feel this way...but I agree with the Krog man.  I'd find much more validity in a grading service run by a crypto connoisseur, the candidates are out there. The legal hurdles...I have no idea. But I support this proposition. Thats it. Crowdfund the cryptograding ICO!  ;D


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 09, 2018, 07:27:17 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

ANACS is a joke. I have never used them...never will.

Someone from here should open their own grading service. Seriously, he would be more capable than those clowns. At the same time we would also trust him with our BTC. There are a few good candidates but that is up to them to take the idea and run with it.

I don't often feel this way...but I agree with the Krog man.  I'd find much more validity in a grading service run by a crypto connoisseur, the candidates are out there. The legal hurdles...I have no idea. But I support this proposition. Thats it. Crowdfund the cryptograding ICO!  ;D

   Trust me...with the knowledge and experience of certain collectors here I am positive they will do better in grading than any ANACS grader can. They grade as a company...the person from here will probably take it more seriously as an individual and do a far better job.

       


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: dazedfool on January 09, 2018, 07:31:24 PM
So sounds like we're gonna have three "phases" of ANACS grades now!  :o

1) Pre 2015-ish when MS67 was considered primo grade
2) 2015-2017 when ANACS philosophy changed and MS69/70s started popping up
3) 2018+ with a wackadoodle TBD new label

Time to start peeeeeling, am i rite guys?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: nubbins on January 09, 2018, 09:14:06 PM

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I can't believe people broke their custody chains to send their Cas coins to these morons

Grading plastic poker chips? Seriously?

OLOLOLOLO


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Ticked on January 09, 2018, 09:33:28 PM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

ANACS is a joke. I have never used them...never will.

Someone from here should open their own grading service. Seriously, he would be more capable than those clowns. At the same time we would also trust him with our BTC. There are a few good candidates but that is up to them to take the idea and run with it.

I don't often feel this way...but I agree with the Krog man.  I'd find much more validity in a grading service run by a crypto connoisseur, the candidates are out there. The legal hurdles...I have no idea. But I support this proposition. Thats it. Crowdfund the cryptograding ICO!  ;D

   Trust me...with the knowledge and experience of certain collectors here I am positive they will do better in grading than any ANACS grader can. They grade as a company...the person from here will probably take it more seriously as an individual and do a far better job.

       

I fully agree.  And to Nubbins point, if graded within a community sprung grading circuit/company, the knowledgeable will be able to maintain a PGP chain of custody worthy of noting. This seems to be better than any current alternative.

::cough::   Phase 4?  ::) :D


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: iCEBREAKER on January 09, 2018, 09:39:56 PM
I fully agree.  And to Nubbins point, if graded within a community sprung grading circuit/company, the knowledgeable will be able to maintain a PGP chain of custody worthy of noting. This seems to be better than any current alternative.


It seems like ANACS grades the holograms because they display them in front.

But yes, it would be awesome to make a decentralized grading service.  We can put holograms on the slabs to protect the inner ones!  Yo dawg, I herd u lik tamper-evident seals... ;D


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: BitcoinPenny on January 09, 2018, 10:33:05 PM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 09, 2018, 10:50:52 PM
Ok after calling and emailing a few times, I finally got this vague, but not damning/end all sounding reply. Not embedding it cause I think it's too big. :P

https://i.imgur.com/aKORcnj.png

The parts I removed were about prior orders pending, nothing important.

Not going to sweat them for now, as this was the same guy who the front line phone people kept sending me to his voicemail all day as well.

The fact that we all get so many different answers is not helpful, so I guess I will follow up if you guys hear anymore.  :-\

Please email customerservice@anacs.com and ask for us, if you care that is, which I know some do not... Fair enough. Thanks.



Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Zyro on January 09, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris

Makes me wish I was a expert coin grader.   Seems there is a decent sized hole needing filling right now.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Ticked on January 09, 2018, 11:23:37 PM
I fully agree.  And to Nubbins point, if graded within a community sprung grading circuit/company, the knowledgeable will be able to maintain a PGP chain of custody worthy of noting. This seems to be better than any current alternative.


It seems like ANACS grades the holograms because they display them in front.

But yes, it would be awesome to make a decentralized grading service.  We can put holograms on the slabs to protect the inner ones!  Yo dawg, I herd u lik tamper-evident seals... ;D

Dammit, its almost like we have the designers (hologram my everything please), the critics, the professionals, the collectors, the enthusiasts, the reputed, the actual knowledge depth, the US/EU importers/exporters all here & active in the collectibles section.  I'd stand up and man this thing, but I am not an OG enough to warrant such a move.

Isn't there a famous table or two around these parts...  ;D ;D

I've never sent a thing into ANACS... There's a few members here who if started such a service, I would feel confident using.

Caveat: any coin/whatever maker shouldn't grade their own product.


EDIT: I always hated that they display the grade on the hologram side. like, wtf

EDIT 2:  Oh yeah, then there's the whole fact that the crypto equivalent of the red book spawned off this very board.  Okay, im sold, its just a matter of time before this all actually happens.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 09, 2018, 11:40:49 PM

EDIT: I always hated that they display the grade on the hologram side. like, wtf



Oh man, that bothers me more than it should but it is such a rookie error for them to slab the coin in that manner.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: dazedfool on January 09, 2018, 11:47:02 PM

EDIT: I always hated that they display the grade on the hologram side. like, wtf



Oh man, that bothers me more than it should but it is such a rookie error for them to slab the coin in that manner.

They used to face them the otherway. I have a couple of old graded 1BTC coins that are obverse-forward

Switch I think happened when they started adding the address to the grade label. That way both numbers are on the same side


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: BitcoinPenny on January 09, 2018, 11:55:31 PM
Caveat: any coin/whatever maker shouldn't grade their own product.

Excellent, and very important, point. (Wait...all 2018 BP coins are MS71???)

Regards,
Chris


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: iCEBREAKER on January 10, 2018, 12:42:52 AM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris

Makes me wish I was a expert coin grader.   Seems there is a decent sized hole needing filling right now.

Human-based grading is too subjective.  We must disrupt centralized coin grading services and replace them with permissionless Satoshi's Vision things.

Let's write a smart contract that takes 3d scans of coins and records data (including funding info) to the blockchain.  It can use ML to train itself on existing graded coins.

QR code holograms on the slab and done.


all 2018 BP coins are MS71


 :o

Photos and auction please!


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 10, 2018, 02:21:19 AM
**Sigh**  looks like they have us by the short hairs.  :'(   I know it better be a damned fine grade, if I'm paying $59 per coin!!!
     I think they just think we are so friggin' wealthy, from the Cryptos, that we can afford their CHUMP service.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: wheelz1200 on January 10, 2018, 03:16:44 AM
$59 For a grading service which is shotty at best.  How many people here cracked old grades and re submitted when they started grading crypto favorably.  At $20 meh ok, but $60 nah I will keep my coins ungraded.  I know others disagree but $60 for a shot in the dark grade...on side note I do like the sealed cases they are in.  Only thing is that they right side the holo side and the front of the coin is sideways if the coin maker doesn't align the front and holo. 


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: chronicsky on January 10, 2018, 03:42:37 AM
ANACS hasnt exactly been.. how do I put it ... consistent with the grading. Personally I think we should petition other graders and then support them by using them.

ANACS have shot themselves in the foot here, the only way to make them pay is to stop giving them business

I think CGS in the UK accepts cryptos.
Iíve got a Cas Single that has been graded by them.
The only downside would be adjusting the disparity in grading results although that being said, ANACs themselves were pretty poor recently with the average scoring being so high (lower grades being bumped)...

Now if only PCGS was to grade our coins. I agree, when I saw they graded Satori chips...that was it for me.

Do you have a link? That is actually laughable.
Donít get me wrong, I love the satori chips but they are chips... How can a coin grading service grade poker chips?

The fact that a piece of plastic got a better grade than many of the coins we send in says it all...... WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOURS COINS, SEND US MONEY!!!!!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222756583457

https://i.imgur.com/NqR6XGW.jpg

the only reason I am pissed off is that I was going to send you 4 rolls off my next delivery for grading for fun... $2K I can handle paying for a laugh.. $6000.00 ??  forget it

but what are we all going to do for grading now? maybe the UK will be the grading capital of the world.... reverse mantis express for everyone



wtf!

i just read this, this is insane!

what is the grading company in UK ? @TMAN

Hell i can start one grading company here, i even got one 1h drive away to me.
Do a project on them- learn and make my own but shipping to and from here sucks :(




**Sigh**  looks like they have us by the short hairs.  :'(   I know it better be a damned fine grade, if I'm paying $59 per coin!!!
     I think they just think we are so friggin' wealthy, from the Cryptos, that we can afford their CHUMP service.

it's not about being wealthy, the ANACS grading is shit anyways but charging so much for that, does that mean from now they will ship all the coins fully insured? will they take liability for any lost or tempered coin?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ihsanskanzaone on January 10, 2018, 05:14:00 AM
every company must always make changes or innovations in order to survive in a fierce competition. The 4 most respected rating agencies are PCGS, NGC, ANACS, and ICG. This is a very tight competition every company will definitely change from time to time including ANACS. But all these companies are needed in the market and each has a certain role.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 10, 2018, 06:36:35 AM
every company must always make changes or innovations in order to survive the tight competition. The 4 most respected rating companies are PCGS, NGC, ANACS, and ICG. This is a very tough competition every company will certainly change from time to time including ANACS. but all of them are needed in the market and each has a purpose.

Itís especially difficult for a company who refuses to listen to the exact market they cater to.  Itís the poor mans grading service, and if not for crypto Iíd own none at all. ANACS reminds me of Ford pre-2008. They looked boxy and were cheap and they suffered until they changed.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 10, 2018, 01:43:09 PM
Quote
ANACS reminds me of Ford pre-2008. They looked boxy and were cheap and they suffered until they changed.


  LOL Chi!  That is so true. And that is why we need one of our own to do our own grading.

  Before I became a Crypto coin collector I also collected stamps for 30 years.

  In the stamp collecting hobby we also have to main stamp certification services in the USA. The Philatelic Foundation and The American Philaelic Society.

 Two very important certification services. However they were not the only ones. You also had many individual persons highly respected in the stamp community

 that specialized in certain countries or area of Philately. Believe it or not, the established two sought out their advice when it came to certifying stamps that fell within their expertise

  The same can apply to us! We need one of our own who is highly respected in this forum and has the knowledge to start grading our coins.

  I will not mention names, but I have reached out to one that I can think can be the bearer of this torch! And I am sure many in this community have the same person in mind.

  


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: FFrankie on January 11, 2018, 02:29:57 AM
Quote
ANACS reminds me of Ford pre-2008. They looked boxy and were cheap and they suffered until they changed.


  LOL Chi!  That is so true. And that is why we need one of our own to do our own grading.

  Before I became a Crypto coin collector I also collected stamps for 30 years.

  In the stamp collecting hobby we also have to main stamp certification services in the USA. The Philatelic Foundation and The American Philaelic Society.

 Two very important certification services. However they were not the only ones. You also had many individual persons highly respected in the stamp community

 that specialized in certain countries or area of Philately. Believe it or not, the established two sought out their advice when it came to certifying stamps that fell within their expertise

  The same can apply to us! We need one of our own who is highly respected in this forum and has the knowledge to start grading our coins.

  I will not mention names, but I have reached out to one that I can think can be the bearer of this torch! And I am sure many in this community have the same person in mind.

  

I think we might be blazing our minds out trying to figure out who that might be


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 11, 2018, 06:11:59 AM
I have an order sitting at ANACS that has been in process for 48 days now. Not sure of any price changes, but the turn around times are slower and slower. ANACS needs to fix this...


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ChiBitCTy on January 11, 2018, 09:02:15 AM
Quote
ANACS reminds me of Ford pre-2008. They looked boxy and were cheap and they suffered until they changed.


  LOL Chi!  That is so true. And that is why we need one of our own to do our own grading.

  Before I became a Crypto coin collector I also collected stamps for 30 years.

  In the stamp collecting hobby we also have to main stamp certification services in the USA. The Philatelic Foundation and The American Philaelic Society.

 Two very important certification services. However they were not the only ones. You also had many individual persons highly respected in the stamp community

 that specialized in certain countries or area of Philately. Believe it or not, the established two sought out their advice when it came to certifying stamps that fell within their expertise

  The same can apply to us! We need one of our own who is highly respected in this forum and has the knowledge to start grading our coins.

  I will not mention names, but I have reached out to one that I can think can be the bearer of this torch! And I am sure many in this community have the same person in mind.

  

I think we might be blazing our minds out trying to figure out who that might be


Lol ..I have been spending all night trying to figure out who that person might be :D. My guy Krogo is always on point but I especially love this idea. Just throwing my 2 satoshis out there.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: monkeynuts on January 11, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
This whole thing pisses me off. ANACS handling this poorly it seems

As far as I am concerned there isnt a change. They havent put this on their website, and the submission form is still the same

I am gonna use that form, and send a batch in as quick as I can (this weekend), and then argue like a MoFo if they try and hoof the price up once they already have them

Until they advertise it, or change the form it hasnt happened. I dont believe they have the right to charge more until they do.


I can however sympathise with them. The logistics of securing and shipping a single 25 BTC cas, or a roll of gilt 1 BTCs are very different than they were a few years ago. From a risk / reward perspective it probably doesnt add up. (The same reason we keep coins in a bank vault rather than at home)


As for a new starter becoming a grading authority, thats a tricky one. Reputation is one thing and there are a number here who have the experience (to grade consistently, and know what they are grading) and trust (reputation of being trustworthy, and to be impartial and grade the coin, rather than who submitted it). The same issue still comes back for securing and shipping, ie insurance, or more likely lack of it. Someone needs to accept(or not) the risk of the coins in transit, or at the grading location. If adequate insurance wont cover it, then terms and conditions would need to be clear, who holds the risks, and what would happen under the circumstances of fire / flood / theft /  loss.

The ANACS coin show model works best. No shipping, no coins at a graders for weeks on end.

I think a mobile grading service could have legs. ie ship the grader, not the coins.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 12, 2018, 01:33:24 AM
I emailed ANACS and asked what is up with these delays and here is the response I got:


Thank you for contacting us. While there is a delay in the service, the program has not been suspended. We are currently updating our label and procedures to make sure our submitters and the secondary market better understands what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes. I expect we will be back to a normal operating schedule very soon.

Please let us know if you need anything else,

Paul A. DeFelice, Vice President
Marketing and Client Relations



I do know one of the top guys over there and will be sending him an email shortly to get better info...






Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 12, 2018, 02:14:14 AM
I emailed ANACS and asked what is up with these delays and here is the response I got:


Thank you for contacting us. While there is a delay in the service, the program has not been suspended. We are currently updating our label and procedures to make sure our submitters and the secondary market better understands what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes. I expect we will be back to a normal operating schedule very soon.

Please let us know if you need anything else,

Paul A. DeFelice, Vice President
Marketing and Client Relations



I do know one of the top guys over there and will be sending him an email shortly to get better info...

I would have expected a better answer considering the amount of coins we grade with this company.
Hopefully this is straightened out soon!!

I emailed Andrew and will see what he has to say.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: monkeynuts on January 12, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
Andrew is usually spot on

It does seem like the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing over there. Lots of different answers  >:(


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 12, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Got a reply from them...

Thank you for reaching out.  Paulís statement is accurate and the best information I have available.  I do know that discounted submissions will be renegotiated, but to what extent I do not know yet.  We should be back on track soon, I saw a Proof of the new label last week!





Sounds like they have a special crypto label coming and some price changes.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: digicoinuser on January 12, 2018, 08:24:50 PM
Have they given an explanation to "what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes" or is that expected to come out when they finalize their new terms?

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We are currently updating our label and procedures to make sure our submitters and the secondary market better understands what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 12, 2018, 08:39:22 PM
Have they given an explanation to "what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes" or is that expected to come out when they finalize their new terms?

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We are currently updating our label and procedures to make sure our submitters and the secondary market better understands what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes.

He wouldn't give it up to me. I assume they are still finalizing the new setup and probably do not know 100%. My guess is crypto gets a special label from now on to make them look different than regular slabs. The old slabs are now more rare so lets pump those premiums ASAP.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: wheelz1200 on January 12, 2018, 09:35:57 PM
Have they given an explanation to "what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes" or is that expected to come out when they finalize their new terms?

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We are currently updating our label and procedures to make sure our submitters and the secondary market better understands what the ANACS cryptocurrency service includes.

He wouldn't give it up to me. I assume they are still finalizing the new setup and probably do not know 100%. My guess is crypto gets a special label from now on to make them look different than regular slabs. The old slabs are now more rare so lets pump those premiums ASAP.

Pre btc gold fork, post bcash fork, pre crypto slab ANACS graded ms 67 loaded coins coming soon


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 12, 2018, 10:13:23 PM
As if the forks weren't making pricing these coins hard enough! 

WritingG123 will argue it makes the most sense to crack the slab, peel the coin, and sell the label....


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 12, 2018, 11:02:40 PM
....is everyone having fun yet?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 14, 2018, 03:22:41 AM
Anacs are a bunch of money grubbers. We need to BOYCOTT ANACS.
Especially if all we get for triple the money is a different colored insert. Time will tell all.




Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: elianite on January 14, 2018, 02:54:45 PM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris

Lets make it an ICO.. First decentralized / semi-decentralized coin grading service.
Utility Token: Each token is good for one coin grading.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Zeroxal on January 14, 2018, 10:55:57 PM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris

Lets make it an ICO.. First decentralized / semi-decentralized coin grading service.
Utility Token: Each token is good for one coin grading.

Thoughts?
It's not a problem of money but human resources. We need to find someone trustable in the grading field first.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: monkeynuts on January 14, 2018, 11:25:40 PM
My thoughts are some form of partnership / cooperative

At least 1 grader US, 1 grader europe. May need more depending on volume / geographical demand (as many collectors are not US or European)

Hi res imaging mandatory / part of the service (to ensure consistency from day 1)

Possible DB or tracking of custody (and capacity to continue chain of custody there after), as well as the watermarked images

Proper population reports by each coin type / grade

Difficulty comes in the volume of coins needed to justify a grader traveling, per grading batch

Only alternate is using coin shows / crypto events and run a 'bring and grade' service (but then security could be a concern)


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 15, 2018, 12:21:02 AM
I agree with MN, there needs to be a US based & another over the pond. Both under the same umbrella of rules, costs, etc.....consistency.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 15, 2018, 12:35:53 AM
There simply is not enough volume of coins to get something like this off of the ground. I suppose we could find some coin experts and make it a part time side thing for them. I do know a guy who is very into these coins and is also a rare coins dealer in the USA. I will point him to this thread and see what he thinks.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 15, 2018, 12:42:06 AM
Yeah, we're open to hearing what he has to say  :D  Thanks Blazed


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: johnny211 on January 15, 2018, 01:06:40 AM
Any estimates as to how many crypto-style coins get graded yearly?

my 2 cents as a systems guy new to this stuff:

monkeynuts thinking regarding how to achieve objective consistency should help enable a sustainable model even if based on several geodistributed part-timers. can more be done to this end? Consistency would seem to be one of the more important qualities.

The post-grading value-added stuff like CoC-tracking / population db's etc. should also help motivate a resonable fee level especially considering the value it would provide over time.



Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 15, 2018, 01:24:07 AM
Any estimates would be screwed up due to coins being regraded. Anacs hasn't been the best at "consistency" in the past.... there's so many kinds and new makers every other week it seems.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: johnny211 on January 15, 2018, 01:59:58 AM
Adding to the issue:

Is it even possible to get crypto coins located in the EU graded in any reasonable way today? Shipping to ANACS in the US is for most of EU completely out of the question due to customs issues.




Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 15, 2018, 02:29:28 AM
Adding to the issue:

Is it even possible to get crypto coins located in the EU graded in any reasonable way today? Shipping to ANACS in the US is for most of EU completely out of the question due to customs issues.




There is a special way to ship them to ANACS where you do not pay customs. ANACS has a form for customs that takes care of that little issue. To answer the first question: Nope...only ANACS in the USA.

Here is a link with more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=953862


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: johnny211 on January 15, 2018, 03:00:36 AM
There is a special way to ship them to ANACS where you do not pay customs. ANACS has a form for customs that takes care of that little issue. To answer the first question: Nope...only ANACS in the USA.

Here is a link with more details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=953862

Excellent info, thanks!



Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: elianite on January 16, 2018, 07:07:16 PM
I must say, you are limiting yourselves if you intend to make this for physical crypto's only. There is not and likely will not be enough volume to support any kind of worthwhile business venture. Though of course 2-3 people doing it as a hobby is cool, it still that brings up questions of insurance, etc.

Frankly, I would expect one or more of these people quit rather quickly, as while they may go into it with the best of intentions, I can practically guarantee that there will be drama, accusations, and all kinds of things stemming from the fact that you are handling 100k+ (soon ;) ) coins of people from different countries. Mistakes may be made, shipments may be lost, accusations will be made, integrates will be called to question, and accusations of favoritism will be openly debated. I would not want this for myself, especially if I was doing the work purely as a hobby/favor.

I believe there is an opportunity to use the 'hype' around bitcoins and blockchain, and the novelty of physical crypto, to create significant publicity for a new coin grading service, that may compete with the existing graders. This could for example utilize blockchain tech for tracking coins & grades, and even use a distributed/decentralized blind-judging model where several experts grade each coin, and the average grade is assigned automatically. There may even be the possibility of raising money with an ICO with a utility token, but that is not by any means critical.

I would be happy to play a role in this kind of enterprise, should others show serious initiative.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Rmcdermott927 on January 16, 2018, 10:39:07 PM
Procedure changes like this are unsettling.   Grade malleability across different time periods degrades customer confidence.  Hopefully this does not change again. 


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 18, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
I have an order sitting at ANACS that has been in process for 48 days now. Not sure of any price changes, but the turn around times are slower and slower. ANACS needs to fix this...

Another week and still not graded yet...  55 days so far for this last batch I sent them.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Ticked on January 18, 2018, 04:59:13 PM
Agreed. Someone with years of coin collecting/grading experience + crypto collectible experience should start a small company to fill this niche. I'd use the service.

Regards,
Chris

Lets make it an ICO.. First decentralized / semi-decentralized coin grading service.
Utility Token: Each token is good for one coin grading.

Thoughts?

When I first mentioned this earlier in the thread, I was only half joking.  I back this, but i agree, a true grader with experience in the field will be necessary.

I must say, you are limiting yourselves if you intend to make this for physical crypto's only. There is not and likely will not be enough volume to support any kind of worthwhile business venture. Though of course 2-3 people doing it as a hobby is cool, it still that brings up questions of insurance, etc.

Frankly, I would expect one or more of these people quit rather quickly, as while they may go into it with the best of intentions, I can practically guarantee that there will be drama, accusations, and all kinds of things stemming from the fact that you are handling 100k+ (soon ;) ) coins of people from different countries. Mistakes may be made, shipments may be lost, accusations will be made, integrates will be called to question, and accusations of favoritism will be openly debated. I would not want this for myself, especially if I was doing the work purely as a hobby/favor.

I believe there is an opportunity to use the 'hype' around bitcoins and blockchain, and the novelty of physical crypto, to create significant publicity for a new coin grading service, that may compete with the existing graders. This could for example utilize blockchain tech for tracking coins & grades, and even use a distributed/decentralized blind-judging model where several experts grade each coin, and the average grade is assigned automatically. There may even be the possibility of raising money with an ICO with a utility token, but that is not by any means critical.

I would be happy to play a role in this kind of enterprise, should others show serious initiative.

Further thoughts I've had.  Ship the coins to a central location (always registered), perhaps a trusted escrow.  Grader makes quarterly trips to this location to grade the coins. Bring the grader to the coins, not the opposite. We have escrows that've handled silly amounts of funds. and international shippers with great records, though I could support an EU and an American Representative. the two combined with a mobile grader (quarterly, monthly, whatever the demand is) makes for a good start and go from there.  Im open to comments and thoughts on this idea.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 18, 2018, 05:00:06 PM
I have an order sitting at ANACS that has been in process for 48 days now. Not sure of any price changes, but the turn around times are slower and slower. ANACS needs to fix this...

Another week and still not graded yet...  55 days so far for this last batch I sent them.

I have an order at ANACS which has been in the "Opening" stage since Dec 17


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: monkeynuts on January 18, 2018, 05:10:22 PM
Hopefully you guys arent then gonna wait for imaging as well .... ?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 18, 2018, 05:16:52 PM
I have one that was opened on 12/4/2017, and is still in "GRADING"... expected ship date was 12/26/2017....  :'(


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 18, 2018, 05:24:25 PM
Same here Owlcatz, 1st week in December...... :o


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 18, 2018, 05:26:59 PM
Same here Owlcatz, 1st week in December...... :o

I'm actually not surprised by a delay, but this one is longer than usual. However, I've been assured countless times by countless idiots there that everything is just fine, and things will be back on track Soontm  :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 18, 2018, 05:31:39 PM
Same here Owlcatz, 1st week in December...... :o

I'm actually not surprised by a delay, but this one is longer than usual. However, I've been assured countless times by countless idiots there that everything is just fine, and things will be back on track Soontm  :P

2 weeks tm


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: bavicrypto on January 18, 2018, 06:53:01 PM
Same here Owlcatz, 1st week in December...... :o

I'm actually not surprised by a delay, but this one is longer than usual. However, I've been assured countless times by countless idiots there that everything is just fine, and things will be back on track Soontm  :P

2 weeks tm

My fault... next time I'll send in less coins so the line doesn't get backed up.... loolz

Looool, how many did you send in total?  ::)


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 18, 2018, 08:19:55 PM
Same here Owlcatz, 1st week in December...... :o

I'm actually not surprised by a delay, but this one is longer than usual. However, I've been assured countless times by countless idiots there that everything is just fine, and things will be back on track Soontm  :P

2 weeks tm

My fault... next time I'll send in less coins so the line doesn't get backed up.... loolz

Looool, how many did you send in total?  ::)

Probably a few hundred for that guy ^^^ LOLZ... . I've got ~ 50 there total I think... :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 19, 2018, 02:17:50 AM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 19, 2018, 02:25:43 AM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: iCEBREAKER on January 19, 2018, 02:37:40 AM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)

That is not normal.  There must be some sort of fuckery aboot.  ANACS knows you can easily light very hot BBB and/or FTC and/or Postal Police and/or Letter of Demand fires under their asses.

In B4 ANACS graded slabs become more collectible than the underlying [name of your favorite crypto-collectible].   :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 19, 2018, 02:39:47 PM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)

That is not normal.  There must be some sort of fuckery aboot.  ANACS knows you can easily light very hot BBB and/or FTC and/or Postal Police and/or Letter of Demand fires under their asses.

In B4 ANACS graded slabs become more collectible than the underlying [name of your favorite crypto-collectible].   :P

The problem is we use "economy service" that says it can take 3-4 weeks or longer. They can easily say we have no guaranteed return date etc... I will email Andrew again today and see what the hold up is though. I have been grading these coins with them for 5 years now and never had a delay like this except the time they lost my coins.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 19, 2018, 03:08:51 PM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)

That is not normal.  There must be some sort of fuckery aboot.  ANACS knows you can easily light very hot BBB and/or FTC and/or Postal Police and/or Letter of Demand fires under their asses.

In B4 ANACS graded slabs become more collectible than the underlying [name of your favorite crypto-collectible].   :P

The problem is we use "economy service" that says it can take 3-4 weeks or longer. They can easily say we have no guaranteed return date etc... I will email Andrew again today and see what the hold up is though. I have been grading these coins with them for 5 years now and never had a delay like this except the time they lost my coins.

What do you mean they lost your coins?? :o


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 19, 2018, 03:28:29 PM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)

That is not normal.  There must be some sort of fuckery aboot.  ANACS knows you can easily light very hot BBB and/or FTC and/or Postal Police and/or Letter of Demand fires under their asses.

In B4 ANACS graded slabs become more collectible than the underlying [name of your favorite crypto-collectible].   :P

The problem is we use "economy service" that says it can take 3-4 weeks or longer. They can easily say we have no guaranteed return date etc... I will email Andrew again today and see what the hold up is though. I have been grading these coins with them for 5 years now and never had a delay like this except the time they lost my coins.

What do you mean they lost your coins?? :o

Well it was pretty interesting I suppose. I had submitted an order like I have done many times before and after a few weeks I logged in to check the status and did not see any open orders. I called ANACS and asked why my order was not showing up and they said "We do not see anything sent in from you". ANACS then asked for my tracking info to help them locate my order. I send them over my Registered tracking and they say "We will call you back in a few hours and let you know whats up". I waited for 2 days and then called them back to see what was going on with my coins. ANACS said my coins had to be there and likely got mixed into someone elses order. I was told not to worry because they can not possibly get shipped to the wrong person due to them manually checking coins against orders before shipping. I was then again told I would get a call back in a few hours and of course they did not call me again. At this point I am pretty pissed because the coins are only insured for $100 each and were obviously worth more than that. The next morning right before I was about to call I logged into the website and my order was showing up. They did grade them and have them shipped 24 hours after they finally showed up....


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: krogothmanhattan on January 19, 2018, 03:34:25 PM
Well, regardless of changes with their policies they should not be holding us out this long. It is a good thing for them they are the only grader because when I get treated like shit I usually do not go back...

I agree, we all submit a lot of coins there. The other funny thing is i have a few orders in - in process, "Grading" but I have also not seen them charge my Visa account for like 2 of the orders yet....  ::)

That is not normal.  There must be some sort of fuckery aboot.  ANACS knows you can easily light very hot BBB and/or FTC and/or Postal Police and/or Letter of Demand fires under their asses.

In B4 ANACS graded slabs become more collectible than the underlying [name of your favorite crypto-collectible].   :P

The problem is we use "economy service" that says it can take 3-4 weeks or longer. They can easily say we have no guaranteed return date etc... I will email Andrew again today and see what the hold up is though. I have been grading these coins with them for 5 years now and never had a delay like this except the time they lost my coins.

What do you mean they lost your coins?? :o

Well it was pretty interesting I suppose. I had submitted an order like I have done many times before and after a few weeks I logged in to check the status and did not see any open orders. I called ANACS and asked why my order was not showing up and they said "We do not see anything sent in from you". ANACS then asked for my tracking info to help them locate my order. I send them over my Registered tracking and they say "We will call you back in a few hours and let you know whats up". I waited for 2 days and then called them back to see what was going on with my coins. ANACS said my coins had to be there and likely got mixed into someone elses order. I was told not to worry because they can not possibly get shipped to the wrong person due to them manually checking coins against orders before shipping. I was then again told I would get a call back in a few hours and of course they did not call me again. At this point I am pretty pissed because the coins are only insured for $100 each and were obviously worth more than that. The next morning right before I was about to call I logged into the website and my order was showing up. They did grade them and have them shipped 24 hours after they finally showed up....

Good to know your coins showed up!


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 19, 2018, 09:58:29 PM
I spoke to Paul today, he's VERY snotty and condesending to the customers. Andrew was in a meeting....apparently they
are just waiting  on the new "inserts" to show up.... :'(     Are we having fun yet?


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 19, 2018, 10:10:22 PM
I spoke to Paul today, he's VERY snotty and condesending to the customers. Andrew was in a meeting....apparently they
are just waiting  on the new "inserts" to show up.... :'(     Are we having fun yet?

So if we have coins there now we are getting the new labels?  I didn't really sign up for that.  hmmmmm


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 19, 2018, 10:56:47 PM
Apparently LC, and you'll get them when THEY're good and ready.......not before, OR you can have them sent back, your choice.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 19, 2018, 11:34:36 PM
I just checked and they have not billed my card yet.  If they try to charge us the new price that would be absurd and I would fly to Colorado and throw rocks at their building.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 19, 2018, 11:35:03 PM
I spoke to Paul today, he's VERY snotty and condesending to the customers. Andrew was in a meeting....apparently they
are just waiting  on the new "inserts" to show up.... :'(     Are we having fun yet?

So if we have coins there now we are getting the new labels?  I didn't really sign up for that.  hmmmmm

I just called and gave them holy hell as I didn't sign up for that either. I told them AGAIN, that No, I don't want to be transferred to Paul's voicemail because he is rude, plus he never returns calls, so I gave her my customer number and told her I was fucking pissed, and I either want my coins back or I want answers - I was told she would relay the information and someone would get back to me. I did ask about the prices and said "Yo, you can't change the prices on us until you change the form"? so, yes, the prices will remain the same until they change it.

She also said "they were encouraging people to not submit more crypto orders because they are so far behind". I did again ask if it was a lie that all coins submitted before year end would get the old label, but she had no answer. Fucking assholes. I'm about done with them, these will be my last submissions unless something really good happens in the end.  ::)

Anyhow, I'm sure nobody will call me back, so I'll let you all know what Paul says tomorrow when I get really fucking angry!  >:(

Thanks

I just checked and they have not billed my card yet.  If they try to charge us the new price that would be absurd and I would fly to Colorado and throw rocks at their building.

Same here LC. I was told prices would remain the same due to the form, an that they are just massively behind waiting on the new labels. I'll post more info tomorrow. They must be getting sick of me by now! :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Fattcatt on January 20, 2018, 12:48:44 AM
Lol @ LC...our little activist...lol...go get em'!!!  :D


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: dazedfool on January 20, 2018, 01:00:49 AM
This is getting spicy.   :o

I haven't done an ANACS order since like last summer... but best of luck to you guys with shit in stasis.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: buckrogers on January 20, 2018, 02:39:40 AM
Are we ready for a new crypto coin grading service yet? :)


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 20, 2018, 02:59:03 AM
Are we ready for a new crypto coin grading service yet? :)

Unfortunately, there are none. :(

This is getting spicy.   :o

I haven't done an ANACS order since like last summer... but best of luck to you guys with shit in stasis.

Thanks, and I'm jealous. What a shitty time to send so many coins...   ::)


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: iCEBREAKER on January 20, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
This is getting spicy.   :o

I haven't done an ANACS order since like last summer... but best of luck to you guys with shit in stasis.

It's *always* endless drama here in cryptoland.   :D :D :D

Now even the Collectibles sub, our beloved, serene preserve of gentlemanly numismatic pursuits, is being thrown into turmoil. :P

Sooner or later Cointelegraph will write an article about l'affaire Anacs, and we will have to deal with Eternal September like the rest of the forum. :'(


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ClearSky8 on January 22, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
Hold Off on the business edifice rock-throwing and PitchFork rally down to Colorado

New price will be $29 - Not $19 but also not $59

Forms to be updated later this week or next week latetest

Disclosure will simply say something along the lines of max $100 insurance "ANACS' grading ability is limited solely to the numismatic condition of token"  understandably they don't want to be liable for coins and holograms protecting private keys worth 10K+.  It would be nice if they step-up and cover the insurance and take the lead and responsibility of "expertise" in that specific area - i.e holograms, physical crypt coin grading and ALL that it encompasses -  since they practically have a monopoly in this field. At least that is what I had hoped for.  Having said that, I understand, after, I am sure, many legal consultations that ended with the conclusion that it would be a safer route to insulate and eliminate liabilities that will inevitably be exposed by our litigious judicial system.

I just spoke with Paul, who was very helpful and appeared genuinely sympathetic, and apologetic, to everyones frustration.  I expect there are more than one of a few people involved in making these decisions, not to mention conflicting ideologies - pure conjecture here on my part

Also, I am paraphrasing the above from a conversation 20 minutes ago so naturally a lot of information has been lost

 - ClearSky8   


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 22, 2018, 09:18:27 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: digicoinuser on January 22, 2018, 09:30:30 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!

I'd be interested to hear this as well.  It seems like customers who sent their coins in prior were under the guise that they agreed to the older structure and didn't expect nor want the terms to change in the middle of the process.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on January 22, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
Hold Off on the business edifice rock-throwing and PitchFork rally down to Colorado

New price will be $29 - Not $19 but also not $59

Forms to be updated later this week or next week latetest

Disclosure will simply say something along the lines of max $100 insurance "ANACS' grading ability is limited solely to the numismatic condition of token"  understandably they don't want to be liable for coins and holograms protecting private keys worth 10K+.  It would be nice if they step-up and cover the insurance and take the lead and responsibility of "expertise" in that specific area - i.e holograms, physical crypt coin grading and ALL that it encompasses -  since they practically have a monopoly in this field. At least that is what I had hoped for.  Having said that, I understand, after, I am sure, many legal consultations that ended with the conclusion that it would be a safer route to insulate and eliminate liabilities that will inevitably be exposed by our litigious judicial system.

I just spoke with Paul, who was very helpful and appeared genuinely sympathetic, and apologetic, to everyones frustration.  I expect there are more than one of a few people involved in making these decisions, not to mention conflicting ideologies - pure conjecture here on my part

Also, I am paraphrasing the above from a conversation 20 minutes ago so naturally a lot of information has been lost

 - ClearSky8   

Thanks for the update.  My coins changed from "Opening" to "In Process-Grading" just today so perhaps the back log is moving again.  The package had been in the open phase since December.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 22, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
Yeah I have 4 orders in there ranging in "receive" dates from 12/4 - 1/11 and all 4 are "in process", but I've only been charged for 2 so far (the first two of the 4 sent).

Hopefully this gets moving soon, I really get sick of logging in to that crappy site every day! :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ClearSky8 on January 22, 2018, 10:17:25 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!


His exact words were " everything should be back to normal turnaround times in the next three weeks" I Also asked if I should hold-off on sending in new stuff and he said "best to wait three weeks so we can work through backlog and be back to normal processing"
I have an order from thanksgiving that should go out next week


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 22, 2018, 10:22:42 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!


His exact words were " everything should be back to normal turnaround times in the next three weeks" I Also asked if I should hold-off on sending in new stuff and he said "best to wait three weeks so we can work through backlog and be back to normal processing"
I have an order from thanksgiving that should go out next week


Thanks I appreciate the follow up. I got the same thing - stop sending cryptos for a few weeks etc etc...


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ClearSky8 on January 22, 2018, 10:29:28 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!


His exact words were " everything should be back to normal turnaround times in the next three weeks" I Also asked if I should hold-off on sending in new stuff and he said "best to wait three weeks so we can work through backlog and be back to normal processing"
I have an order from thanksgiving that should go out next week


I did not ask what I think you're asking. That is, will "outstanding orders" have new label and pricing.  I believe you will  get the New label and grandfathered-in original pricing of $19.  I did NOT ask this but assume price of $19 to avert mass rioting and new label cause they have them.  My "outstanding order" was charged in December and it was at the $19 rate - the one thats still "processing"


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 22, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
Thanks, I didn't have the time to deal with them today myself. Did you happen to ask Paul about all the outstanding orders submitted before this nonsense started? Thanks!


His exact words were " everything should be back to normal turnaround times in the next three weeks" I Also asked if I should hold-off on sending in new stuff and he said "best to wait three weeks so we can work through backlog and be back to normal processing"
I have an order from thanksgiving that should go out next week


I did not ask what I think you're asking. That is, will "outstanding orders" have new label and pricing.  I believe you will  get the New label and grandfathered-in original pricing of $19.  I did NOT ask this but assume price of $19 to avert mass rioting and new label cause they have them.  My "outstanding order" was charged in December and it was at the $19 rate - the one thats still "processing"

Yes, I've been told multiple times they will honor the current form rates, so I'm fairly sure they will be $19 until they officially change the form and site. I was also told orders submitted before 1/1/18 would get the old label, but I'm not getting any answers on that now, so I am assuming as you say. Thanks again - To whoever gets/posts the first pic of the new slab/label, congrats, the rush is on now! :P


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 22, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
This whole thing is unacceptable for customers as loyal as we have been. ANACS is very lucky that they are the only game in town (also why they probably do not care about dicking us around). Whenever a company jerks me around like this they typically never get money from me ever again... I know that I will not be grading things as often and will not recommend getting stuff graded in the future. Personally I feel those new labels are less desirable than the originals. The new labels are like Bitcoin Cash compared to the original Bitcoin labels!


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: owlcatz on January 22, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
This whole thing is unacceptable for customers as loyal as we have been. ANACS is very lucky that they are the only game in town (also why they probably do not care about dicking us around). Whenever a company jerks me around like this they typically never get money from me ever again... I know that I will not be grading things as often and will not recommend getting stuff graded in the future. Personally I feel those new labels are less desirable than the originals. The new labels are like Bitcoin Cash compared to the original Bitcoin labels!

I'm 100% in agreement with you, but we are at their mercy until we see what happens, as this was all totally unexpected... Who knows, maybe they'll be really cool and modern looking. I do agree the drab yellow is sort of boring. As long as they don't keep fucking with the actual grades - it's hard enough to get an MS70 as it is! :P

I do like the bitcoin cash analogy... "Anacs Cash"... :P

 ;D


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on January 22, 2018, 11:16:03 PM
This whole thing is unacceptable for customers as loyal as we have been. ANACS is very lucky that they are the only game in town (also why they probably do not care about dicking us around). Whenever a company jerks me around like this they typically never get money from me ever again... I know that I will not be grading things as often and will not recommend getting stuff graded in the future. Personally I feel those new labels are less desirable than the originals. The new labels are like Bitcoin Cash compared to the original Bitcoin labels!

I'm 100% in agreement with you, but we are at their mercy until we see what happens, as this was all totally unexpected... Who knows, maybe they'll be really cool and modern looking. I do agree the drab yellow is sort of boring. As long as they don't keep fucking with the actual grades - it's hard enough to get an MS70 as it is! :P

I do like the bitcoin cash analogy... "Anacs Cash"... :P

 ;D

They are likely making different labels to make them stand out as different versus traditional coins that get graded. I am guessing the new labels will be pretty cool. Overall it is making crypto coins a little more legit, but they should have contacted us and said there is a delay. The blatant disregard for us is what makes me mad.


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: ClearSky8 on January 22, 2018, 11:55:21 PM
This whole thing is unacceptable for customers as loyal as we have been. ANACS is very lucky that they are the only game in town (also why they probably do not care about dicking us around). Whenever a company jerks me around like this they typically never get money from me ever again... I know that I will not be grading things as often and will not recommend getting stuff graded in the future. Personally I feel those new labels are less desirable than the originals. The new labels are like Bitcoin Cash compared to the original Bitcoin labels!

Yeah I can understand how the long time community members feel wronged about supporting them all these years when physical crypto was in its embryonic stages ,  unpopular and not so profitable,  and now sort of get left hanging in the lurch and dictated to how its gonna go down. I'm a newbie but i get it.

 
   


Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Blazed on February 07, 2018, 04:23:03 PM
So going on day 70 for my first batch of 3 orders sitting at ANACS. I was just told that the new labels finally arrived yesterday and our coins will be bumped to the front of the line since they have sat for so long. According to ANACS my first batch should ship by the middle of next week at the latest. Not that this is a surprise, but they really do not give a shit about the crypto collectors at all. I will not be using them again after the total lack of communication on my orders. I am amazed that they did not even take the 2 minutes to send me a simple email....

"Yo dawg we got new labelz on da way yo shiz gonna be late" - That would have been acceptable rather than me having to call and email them for my stuff...





Title: Re: Anacs undergoing a PROCEDURE CHANGE
Post by: Lesbian Cow on February 07, 2018, 07:19:51 PM
FUCK ANACS