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Title: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: israfelwater on August 15, 2013, 01:24:33 AM
Wouldn't it be great if everyone started using bitcoins. And wouldn't it be nice if everyone stopped using Windows and Macs. Maybe we can combine these two movements and start a bitcoin OS for everyone.

I put together Bit-OS on sourceforge, but I am more interested in what you think. Everything is set up out of box to make using and trading bitcoins more user friendly. Do you think the world needs a bitcoin OS? Do you see how these two ideas coincide and would make the world a better place?

Thanks,


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: slob on August 15, 2013, 05:59:22 AM
What would make it a bitcoin OS? It comes packaged with bitcoin-qt?


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: cosmicboy on August 15, 2013, 06:13:05 AM
I think it would be a good idea to do not so much a Bitcoin OS but a general privacy OS. It would have bitcoin functionality, automated encryption of everything, TOR, bitmessage and other similar software. There's Tails which is super tight for security but expansion is limited as it is designed to run off a DVD/thumb drive. Something in the middle between Tails and Ubuntu would be awesome.

cb


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: dE_logics on August 15, 2013, 06:23:13 AM
If someone could modify the kernel to somehow be optimized for mining....

The Cryptographic API of the Linux kernel has a sha256 module.... maybe that can be used.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: infobiactrader on August 15, 2013, 07:19:23 AM
Building on the privacy idea, I'd appreciate something where two factor authentication is built into the operating system.  Two factor is in everything already... It should be a staple in operating systems too. 


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: xxjs on August 15, 2013, 07:33:11 AM
A minimalistic linux with tor and bitcoind and armory, plus a version with no network connection and armory, for offline wallets, something like Ubuntu Privacy Remix with Armory added. Yes it could be useful.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: bitfromit on August 15, 2013, 07:46:20 AM
Seems Windows 8 is going to force everyone onto their cloud like it or not. (About as bad as it gets for privacy)

Time to ditch it for good.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: tiptopgemdotcom on August 15, 2013, 07:48:56 AM
I think it would be a good idea to do not so much a Bitcoin OS but a general privacy OS. It would have bitcoin functionality, automated encryption of everything, TOR, bitmessage and other similar software. There's Tails which is super tight for security but expansion is limited as it is designed to run off a DVD/thumb drive. Something in the middle between Tails and Ubuntu would be awesome.

cb

^this


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: jarhed on August 15, 2013, 09:22:04 AM
A Bitcoin distro will fail for lack of support.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: cloudTc on August 15, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
Sounds like a terrific idea.

We should definitely work on a bitcoin distro of linux..


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: jdbtracker on August 15, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Do you mean you have the making of a distributed OS? Like... part of my operating system is being hosted from the cloud? is it fully distributed? different parts managed by dedicated computers that manage other computers in the same way? It would be interesting to see a torrented operating system being compressed, encrypted and streamed with only the decoding left to be done, that would be an interesting service to pay for, using Bitcoin. :) ... Or hay, what if all that power from all the member computers was funneled into one efficient super computer for calculations available for everyone... that just so happens to be distributed.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: herzmeister on August 15, 2013, 12:14:15 PM
If someone could modify the kernel to somehow be optimized for mining....

The Cryptographic API of the Linux kernel has a sha256 module.... maybe that can be used.

what's an OS kernel to do with mining these days  ???


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: stefffe on August 15, 2013, 01:31:48 PM
Windows 8 with pre-installed Bitcoin client = bitcoin os? derp



Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: ninjarobot on August 15, 2013, 05:16:35 PM
I would love to see an Android custom ROM with native bitcoin support. Maybe something Cyanogen could add in future versions?



Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: Singlebyte on August 15, 2013, 05:57:45 PM
I would like to see a bitcoin TV!  {sarcasm}


What would a bitcoin OS have over any other OS?


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: notme on August 15, 2013, 06:45:58 PM
If someone could modify the kernel to somehow be optimized for mining....

The Cryptographic API of the Linux kernel has a sha256 module.... maybe that can be used.

what's an OS kernel to do with mining these days  ???

CPU mining is going to make a comeback!  :P


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: israfelwater on August 16, 2013, 07:27:28 AM
What would make it a bitcoin OS? It comes packaged with bitcoin-qt?

And a bitcoin miner. Maybe the app/SW is setup to accept payment via bitcoin.

A Bitcoin distro will fail for lack of support.

haha, it shouldn't be the case with bitcoins trading for $100, sheash, it should create more excited and funding for development.

Do you mean you have the making of a distributed OS? Like... part of my operating system is being hosted from the cloud? is it fully distributed? different parts managed by dedicated computers that manage other computers in the same way? It would be interesting to see a torrented operating system being compressed, encrypted and streamed with only the decoding left to be done, that would be an interesting service to pay for, using Bitcoin. :) ... Or hay, what if all that power from all the member computers was funneled into one efficient super computer for calculations available for everyone... that just so happens to be distributed.

No, that's not what I was thinking at all. That is much better. That is so flawed I love it. Wasn't there some openCloud project like this?



Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: cassieheart on August 16, 2013, 08:34:49 AM
That is an awesome idea i would totally rock a Linux / bitcoin Os ;)


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: jarhed on August 16, 2013, 02:12:10 PM
A Bitcoin distro will fail for lack of support.

haha, it shouldn't be the case with bitcoins trading for $100, sheash, it should create more excited and funding for development.


....or one could start from scratch, an alt-coin distro, mine-able only on said distro. No GPU or ASIC advantage....Then again, someone would simply launch a clone army on a virtual server somewhere.....

I'm sure there's some old post somewhere as to why none of this will work.   


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: zeetubes on August 16, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
The idea of a secure os rocks. But perhaps it should be created from scratch. Even though I worked on unix for many years, it never seemed to be an ideal operating system for most things. Sort of like Pascal. And I've never quite understood why everyone raves about the latest hardware advances in CPUs, cell phones and laptops, and then raves about coupling that gorgeous, ultra fast, ultra capable new hardware with a 45 year old dinosaur operating system. Thus I end up with quad core galaxy note 2 that can't handle real-time multi-track recording ... that a 30 year old atari would have pissed on.


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: daybyter on August 16, 2013, 06:51:51 PM
I think there are several USB-Stick distros for mining? That is more or less a btc OS?

But I think, we need something for mobiles, so people can buy and exchange btc everywhere? Like a p2p system, that more or less works like localbitcoins. Combined with the GPS functionality of smartphones, it would be easy to find someone near you to get btc?


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: jdbtracker on August 17, 2013, 12:52:26 AM
how would we build it?
Programming language?
capability?
Connective capability?
Distributed?
A.I. based?
etc?


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: israfelwater on August 17, 2013, 08:27:38 AM
The idea of a secure os rocks. But perhaps it should be created from scratch. Even though I worked on unix for many years, it never seemed to be an ideal operating system for most things. Sort of like Pascal. And I've never quite understood why everyone raves about the latest hardware advances in CPUs, cell phones and laptops, and then raves about coupling that gorgeous, ultra fast, ultra capable new hardware with a 45 year old dinosaur operating system. Thus I end up with quad core galaxy note 2 that can't handle real-time multi-track recording ... that a 30 year old atari would have pissed on.

Why can't a Galaxy Note 2 do multitrack recording? I've working in the audio layer of Android and I can say building a multitrack recorder on top of the Android API would be a joke, but buiding something in the Native layer shouldn't be that difficult. I know there is support in the NDK for openAL.

how would we build it?
Programming language?
capability?
Connective capability?
Distributed?
A.I. based?
etc?

AI based would be awesome. There is so many cool machine learning algorithms which a kernel could use to optimize processes. And as far as programming languages, how does everyone feel about javascript? I love the language, but it needs to be compiled into ASM, forget JIT.

Maybe when the computer goes to sleep it would analyze what it has done and calculate how to do it better   :o


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: faiza1990 on August 17, 2013, 04:29:40 PM
Maybe something Cyanogen could add in future versions?


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: JLM on August 17, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
Wouldn't it be great if everyone started using bitcoins. And wouldn't it be nice if everyone stopped using Windows and Macs. Maybe we can combine these two movements and start a bitcoin OS for everyone.

I put together Bit-OS on sourceforge, but I am more interested in what you think. Everything is set up out of box to make using and trading bitcoins more user friendly. Do you think the world needs a bitcoin OS? Do you see how these two ideas coincide and would make the world a better place?

Thanks,

I think the answer is yes.

We have an example: MinePeon.

A "Bitcoin distro" should have as native or inside or whatever:

- Wallet (Bitcoin-qt)
- Drivers to OC GPU“s and run FPGA and ASIC.
- Miners (CGMiner and BFGminer are in MinePeon, could be enough)
- USB run and ARM base run
- Schedule for Updates (without human operation), static of mining, auto re start (power cut“s, i living in Argentina and that happends)
- Probably an screen to set (relative easy): SHH, Pool or solo, OC (Gpu), multiple coin mining management , multiple system (script, Sha, prime) management, resource aplication management (GPU to Scrypt, Asic to sha, etc)
- Wish or "Wonderful" features: e-mail and/or SMS notification



Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: manic on August 17, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65915.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233453.0


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: tkone on August 17, 2013, 10:39:26 PM
could one use tails OS on a USB along with a private key, to sign transactions without leaving any traces????


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: Carlton Banks on August 18, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
could one use tails OS on a USB along with a private key, to sign transactions without leaving any traces????


It's not possible to leave zero trace, otherwise the transaction wouldn't be possible  :P

For your purposes though, this is indeed a suitable avenue: a security-hardened OS, preconfigured to run all TCP/IP through Tor, and Bitcoin client also packaged and configured to communicate over Tor. Then you could verify the checksum of the ISO before burning, therefore narrowing the potential sources of infecting your Live OS with internet nasties while doing your manual transaction signing (bitcoind being the only source, as per my example in the other thread).


Title: Re: Does Linux need a Bitcoin OS?
Post by: jubalix on August 18, 2013, 12:43:30 AM
A minimalistic linux with tor and bitcoind and armory, plus a version with no network connection and armory, for offline wallets, something like Ubuntu Privacy Remix with Armory added. Yes it could be useful.

for an offline armoury, it would have to operate on a decrypted partion or virtual sandboxed os or soemthin like that where the gap could not be electronically bridged