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Title: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 22, 2018, 07:56:44 PM
Hi all,

So, to get it out of the way, this account has newbie status. I don't think that should be relevant, but since this guy is probably about to tag me, let's just get the abuse out of the way. FWIW, I did have an older account (MUCH older), but I can't recover it, so them's the breaks.

So anyhow.

This guy "The Pharmacist" has been on a rampage on the Beginner's board. And that's fine, cos in fairness, there is a lot of crap posted on there.

But his trust ratings are all to do with "No english", "Filipino shitposter", and more "not as white as me" type comments. Yeah, OK, the last one was exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis, but it's not undeserved. Check his lovely trust history.

My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

If the answer, on the other hand, is NO, then why are this guy's trust ratings valid, and who is auditing them?

I get that he's in this "Default Trust" network....which in my opinion is a terrible idea to start with. "Default"? REALLY? I trust my great-uncle to tell me great stories about when he was a child in post-WW2 London. I also implicitly trust him to buy his round at the bar. I do NOT trust him not to grab my wife's ass when he's had a couple of glasses of red. So is he "default" or not? Well, I guess it kinda DEPENDS.

Trusted to perform escrow based on multiple previous dealings - great. No people skills required, just the ability to track a trade, potentially handle some postage, and a facility with wallets.

Trusted to moderate a board? People and interpretation skills most definitely required. Also a cool head, a calm approach, an intelligent approach to cultural issues, a diplomatic manner, and many other things.

Some people have both, and that's amazing. However, when we talk about TRUST ratings, this is not the same as moderation - that's required, and to be honest, the right people are in place mostly....nowadays.

So coming back to this default trust thing....

Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

How did they earn it? Escrow? Fine, make them a trusted escrow. Moderation? Fine, make them a mod.

To let people run around like this posting racist red marks on anyone they choose is insanity. This is the biggest crypto-board in the world, and I can tell you that it's quickly building a reputation as the unfriendliest. Most especially among members of non-English speaking countries who don't have a dedicated child-forum.

Who says they are not valuable, or will not become valuable, members of the community?

You lot want Crypto to succeed? Yes? Then we need people from everywhere backing it and being curious. They don't deserve to encounter an arsehole like this guy. FYI: Google translate is pretty popular, but not perfect.

For this guy to run around tagging people because English is not their first language is plain wrong. You don't have to take my word for that. Check his trust page (all four billion pages of it, the arrogant bastard), and look at his remarks from late 2017 to date. More and more racist.

The Pharmacist - feel free to tag this account with negative trust. Don't you dare say that it's because of poor English though, because I'll debate you into a hole. Do the decent thing, and go back on your trust history, and remove the red marks you made on people honestly trying to learn and become involved. Collaborate with Mitchell and the mods on the Beginner forum to ban the genuine shitposters. Get your dirty racist comments off that page, and be a grown-up.

And for the love of God, would someone please get rid of this ridiculous, outlandish idea of "default trust", and the people who abuse it.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: DarkStar_ on January 22, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

Trust is not unpoliced. The Pharmacist is on DT2, so members on DT1 can choose to exclude him. They are:
    theymos (1)
    HostFat (1)
    dooglus (1)
    Maged (1)
    dserrano5 (1)
    OgNasty (1)
    Tomatocage (1)
    SaltySpitoon (1)
    philipma1957 (1)
    Cyrus (1)
    Blazed (1)
    hilariousandco (1)
    OldScammerTag (1)

The Pharmacist currently has 1 point from Blazed. Other DT1 members can choose to exclude The Pharmacist, reducing his score by 1 point per exclusion. If his score falls below 0, he is no longer part of default trust. Counter ratings also exist. If DT2 member feel that another DT member's trust is bad, they can leave a counter rating: (taken from owlcatz's profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016)

https://i.imgur.com/Hm5aVbE.png

No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Jet Cash on January 22, 2018, 08:18:03 PM
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My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

Obviously the answer is no, if this weren't true, then there wouldn't be other language boards.

Is French required to participate on the French board? If you consider the answer to be yes, then that answers your question about the English boards.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 22, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

Trust is not unpoliced. The Pharmacist is on DT2, so members on DT1 can choose to exclude him. They are:
    theymos (1)
    HostFat (1)
    dooglus (1)
    Maged (1)
    dserrano5 (1)
    OgNasty (1)
    Tomatocage (1)
    SaltySpitoon (1)
    philipma1957 (1)
    Cyrus (1)
    Blazed (1)
    hilariousandco (1)
    OldScammerTag (1)

The Pharmacist currently has 1 point from Blazed. Other DT1 members can choose to exclude The Pharmacist, reducing his score by 1 point per exclusion. If his score falls below 0, he is no longer part of default trust. Counter ratings also exist. If DT2 member feel that another DT member's trust is bad, they can leave a counter rating: (taken from owlcatz's profile (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016)

https://i.imgur.com/Hm5aVbE.png

No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.

What you've just posted is the definition of a small group who self-police.

One guy posting a plus to counter a negative, based on one single opinion? So the total is zero? Ah, cmon.

And it can only come from DT2 or DT1? Well, wait, where do the newbies come in? Who represents them?

I'm not a communist saying everything should be shared. Neither am I a socialist saying the people who do the work should have the decision. But I am saying that you can't have this power-mad racist running around destroying the new members just because they don't speak English to his satisfaction.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 22, 2018, 08:20:46 PM
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My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

Obviously the answer is no, if this weren't true, then there wouldn't be other language boards.

Is French required to participate on the French board? If you consider the answer to be yes, then that answers your question about the English boards.

This reasoning is fine if you provide a language board for every language on earth.

Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 22, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
There's nothing wrong with Latvians.  This has very little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with post quality and, by extension, the quality of this forum.

If you think I'm going to neg you for speaking out against me, you have absolutely the wrong idea about why I'm doing this.  You think this is all about racism and it isn't.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 22, 2018, 10:50:33 PM
Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
There's nothing wrong with Latvians.  This has very little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with post quality and, by extension, the quality of this forum.

If you think I'm going to neg you for speaking out against me, you have absolutely the wrong idea about why I'm doing this.  You think this is all about racism and it isn't.

Who are you to judge post quality? What are the metrics you use? How are these validated? Who polices you?

I'm all for getting rid of the shitposters, because oddly, I agree with your stance on that.

But to put a comment in like "Typical Fillipino no-english shitposter".....what the hell are you playing at?

Can you even count the number of slurs?

Go back on your trust post history, be a grown up about it, and either edit or remove them.

Stop bullying the newbies, you power-mad arrogant clown.

If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: lotfiuser on January 22, 2018, 11:06:27 PM
i dont understand what is Dt 2 and Dt 1 and who are the guys who can give feedback and im too tired to understand


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Thirdspace on January 22, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.
but as you change your own DefaultTrust, the change only reflected on your viewing other users' trust scores
for example UserA got negged by DT1/DT2 then he changed his DefaultTrust, made his own list of trusted user members
changing his own DefaultTrust only change the way he sees other user's trust ratings & scores, and not the way others see his
even if he did that, nothing changed. Other users would still see the red trust on his (UserA) feedback and with -2 points (1 neg)
because those other users are using/basing DefaultTrust for his (UserA) trust feedback ratings & calculated scores
this is how I see and understand the Trust System, if I was mistaken please correct me


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 23, 2018, 01:21:21 AM
If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong.  

Mmm hm.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time.  

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.  If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.
What good solution for bringing it up? Do you think its best for the furom to drive out its users?
A lot of them, yes.  Starting with the ones I've tagged. 


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Scam Exposey on January 23, 2018, 02:01:10 AM
If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong. 

Mmm hm.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time. 

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.  If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.

What good solution for bringing it up? Do you think its best for the furom to drive out its users?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: tambenile on January 23, 2018, 02:29:13 AM
Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on January 23, 2018, 04:44:54 AM
Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.
It isn't me who created the mess.  The mess was here way before I got here, and it was created by shitposters who are paid to write gibberish that no one reads. 

If you're getting paid to post here, you should put in some effort.  If I knew of a better solution I'd do it, but there isn't much someone can do if that someone doesn't run the forum. 

If you're butthurt, that's your problem.   Get a nice soothing ointment, not that it'll help the redness.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Lauda on January 23, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.
It isn't me who created the mess.  The mess was here way before I got here, and it was created by shitposters who are paid to write gibberish that no one reads. 
Two DT2 additions occurred just when I tagged over 150 accounts in 1 day (I believe). It's kind of a combined butthurt. Had these events unfolded separately, the complaining would be less annoying (e.g. that one guy who started multiple threads about it).


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Puroc on January 23, 2018, 10:02:34 AM
My two friends called me crying why do we have negative trust, did we do something wrong are we going to be banned without earning a cent? And yeah when I check their account I saw this the pharmacist who gave them negative trust same also with my younger brother.....

I was a little bit assamed since I was the one to told them to join me, and I don't know how to answer them, I just simply told the to send PM to ask what's the problem.....

Since three of them I think started in same week, one of them gat '' this account is used to farm '', something like that, and the other one is the '' shit post'',  why not give newbie like us to explore and learn as we go, if we post too much in beginner and off topic atleast considered it, and check if we improve after the next rank,,,

. Maybe he should send PM first before placing some negative trust and negative comment... Thank you for understanding also...

God Bless...


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: alwaysmyn on January 23, 2018, 12:27:07 PM
I came here reading some threads then saw people who have negative trust. Then saw a user name The Pharmacist created a feedback that says something like shitposters so I checked that one person's post history, I saw the responses of that certain poster and it's not that bad. It's not a long post though and not really perfect but its not that bad. So I thought ah maybe this was just a mistake. And upon reading more and more post I saw again few users with negative trust and was guess what? The Pharmacist again! Honestly the users comments on forum are not that bad. It's you who have a problem, its not their fault if they don't pass your judgement. Not everyone knows English well and not everyone knows how to convey what they want properly as long as they are understandable and the replies are of substance, why not?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: ranochigo on January 23, 2018, 02:26:10 PM
-snip-
Great story! Thanks! Same with the other users, this forum is for Bitcoin discussion, not for you to post meaninglessly with no substances and expect to gain anything from it.
The Pharmacist again! Honestly the users comments on forum are not that bad. It's you who have a problem, its not their fault if they don't pass your judgement. Not everyone knows English well and not everyone knows how to convey what they want properly as long as they are understandable and the replies are of substance, why not?
Use the local board then. I wouldn't think that posting about some offtopic stuff or merely jumble up some stuff and post it would be considered as constructive. In spite of what you think, most of the posts either don't make sense at all or doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. The common trend is for them to be active for an hour, spam it up and proceed to their next account.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: DarkStar_ on January 23, 2018, 04:20:04 PM
My two friends called me crying why do we have negative trust, did we do something wrong are we going to be banned without earning a cent? And yeah when I check their account I saw this the pharmacist who gave them negative trust same also with my younger brother.....

I was a little bit assamed since I was the one to told them to join me, and I don't know how to answer them, I just simply told the to send PM to ask what's the problem.....

Since three of them I think started in same week, one of them gat '' this account is used to farm '', something like that, and the other one is the '' shit post'',  why not give newbie like us to explore and learn as we go, if we post too much in beginner and off topic atleast considered it, and check if we improve after the next rank,,,

Because exploring and learning is not talking for the 4000th time about whether bitcoin's price matters or not, if bitcoin can make banks disappear, what your plans are with bitcoin, how you first heard about bitcoin, why people don't believe in bitcoin, etc.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong.  


Mmm hm.

Mmm hm, indeed. You are able to pick on the weak ones, but not on the fucking scamfests brewing on various forums here? Yeah, you're a man.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time.  

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.

You think racism is a "liberal" issue? You arrogant bastard. Do you even know what "3rd world" means?

You're a trigger-happy hillbilly, and you KNOW you are. If you were so certain of your situation, you'd try this crap with the stronger ones, who'd call you out to prove it. And yet....you don't.

Weak.

If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.

You won't, because it'd mean admitting you're wrong. And you haven't the balls to do that.

If the forum is in shit because of shitposting, moderate it and ban people. Theymos and the other bitcoin b/millionares have enough money to dole out a fraction of a BTC per month. And it's in their interests to do so.....unless it's a case of "you can't have some, cos we saw the pie first. Newbies not welcome.".

Saying that people are untrustworthy, and tagging them in red because YOU feel their english is not good enough? Don't make me fucking laugh. Oh no, wait, you did already.

You're abusing this. You know you are. But you're too weak to back down.

Pfft.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 08:38:50 PM
Hi all,

So, to get it out of the way, this account has newbie status. I don't think that should be relevant, but since this guy is probably about to tag me, let's just get the abuse out of the way. FWIW, I did have an older account (MUCH older), but I can't recover it, so them's the breaks.

So anyhow.

This guy "The Pharmacist" has been on a rampage on the Beginner's board. And that's fine, cos in fairness, there is a lot of crap posted on there.

But his trust ratings are all to do with "No english", "Filipino shitposter", and more "not as white as me" type comments. Yeah, OK, the last one was exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis, but it's not undeserved. Check his lovely trust history.

My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

If the answer, on the other hand, is NO, then why are this guy's trust ratings valid, and who is auditing them?

I get that he's in this "Default Trust" network....which in my opinion is a terrible idea to start with. "Default"? REALLY? I trust my great-uncle to tell me great stories about when he was a child in post-WW2 London. I also implicitly trust him to buy his round at the bar. I do NOT trust him not to grab my wife's ass when he's had a couple of glasses of red. So is he "default" or not? Well, I guess it kinda DEPENDS.

Trusted to perform escrow based on multiple previous dealings - great. No people skills required, just the ability to track a trade, potentially handle some postage, and a facility with wallets.

Trusted to moderate a board? People and interpretation skills most definitely required. Also a cool head, a calm approach, an intelligent approach to cultural issues, a diplomatic manner, and many other things.

Some people have both, and that's amazing. However, when we talk about TRUST ratings, this is not the same as moderation - that's required, and to be honest, the right people are in place mostly....nowadays.

So coming back to this default trust thing....

Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

How did they earn it? Escrow? Fine, make them a trusted escrow. Moderation? Fine, make them a mod.

To let people run around like this posting racist red marks on anyone they choose is insanity. This is the biggest crypto-board in the world, and I can tell you that it's quickly building a reputation as the unfriendliest. Most especially among members of non-English speaking countries who don't have a dedicated child-forum.

Who says they are not valuable, or will not become valuable, members of the community?

You lot want Crypto to succeed? Yes? Then we need people from everywhere backing it and being curious. They don't deserve to encounter an arsehole like this guy. FYI: Google translate is pretty popular, but not perfect.

For this guy to run around tagging people because English is not their first language is plain wrong. You don't have to take my word for that. Check his trust page (all four billion pages of it, the arrogant bastard), and look at his remarks from late 2017 to date. More and more racist.

The Pharmacist - feel free to tag this account with negative trust. Don't you dare say that it's because of poor English though, because I'll debate you into a hole. Do the decent thing, and go back on your trust history, and remove the red marks you made on people honestly trying to learn and become involved. Collaborate with Mitchell and the mods on the Beginner forum to ban the genuine shitposters. Get your dirty racist comments off that page, and be a grown-up.

And for the love of God, would someone please get rid of this ridiculous, outlandish idea of "default trust", and the people who abuse it.

I Agree with you 100% on this. The default Trust was put into place and was called "Marketplace Trust"  Designed to help users better understand  potential buyers/sellers history and use that information to Either make the sale/Transaction or not.   It was never meant to allow you to go on Hate Filled Feedback Rampages like he is doing. 

He has been Neg. People for using poor english and because they are from 3rd World countries. He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust   " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts."                        He needs to go.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Lauda on January 23, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust   " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts." 
That is not a rule.

He needs to go.
How about you go away instead? ::)


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 08:47:17 PM
He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust   " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts." 
That is not a rule.

He needs to go.
How about you go away instead? ::)


Hi Sir/M'aam  :)  Crazy Cat Lady I'll stick around to keep tabs on you :)      When theymos states  DO NOT rate people based on the Quality of a post isn't that saying DON'T do it?   :D

I beg to differ on this Cat lady.  ;)


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Lauda on January 23, 2018, 08:49:20 PM
Crazy Cat Lady I'll stick around to keep tabs on you
Enjoy wasting your time. Wake me up when you actually contribute somehow.

When theymos states  DO NOT rate people based on the Quality of a post isn't that saying DON'T do it?   :D
It's a guideline, something that does not need to be followed shall one choose not to. Like many of his policies, these are backwards too given the state of the forum.

P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 08:50:08 PM
Hi Sir/M'aam  :)  Crazy Cat Lady I'll stick around to keep tabs on you :)      When theymos states  DO NOT rate people based on the Quality of a post isn't that saying DON'T do it?   :D

I beg to differ on this Cat lady.  ;)
Guidelines = Recommendations ≠ Rules.

I can recommend you not to trade accounts, but you are allowed. (Though there will be a pretty noticeable brand if you do!)


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 08:53:13 PM
He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust   " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts." 
That is not a rule.

So you are under the impression that it was a suggestion? Perhaps it was....but you lot are riding roughshod over it. Way to show respect.

Wait....are the DT2s (lofty and all as you may be, praise, worship etc) interpreting this now?

Did you lot miss the point???

Eliminating scammers - yes! This is a good thing. Trust rating are great for this.

Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more.

Promoting crypto, and securing this forum's place as the premier place to be - this is the point.

And you, and your crowd, are making it the unfriendliest place a newbie could ever go.

I think that a new phrase needs to be coined for you and your cronies. How about "Crypto-Millionaire Arrogance" - "CMA"? Has a ring to it.

I could have gone for "Crytpo Undid Nice Tendancies" on that one, and it'd have been deserved.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Did you lot miss the point???

Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more.
So let's sit around and let the forum spam a little more before we get more mods, right? Perhaps this is a strawman but you have to find some way of combatting spam. How long is it going to take for theymos to appoint new moderators? And how effective will they be?

There are vast oceans of spam and certainly, that's a testament to how uninfluential moderation has been. This is certainly not the best of dealing with the situation but it's exacerbated to this level: you have to provide some deterrent to spamming. I mean, look at what happened in the past with account farming (i.e. rizzlarolla's thread). Where was the administrative concern?

P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)
I actually disagree: from what I saw, the style of typing has been the same throughout the years. Some good posts, some bad posts.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)

No idea what this means but ...OK

I guess when theymos says Don't do it then he really means do it.....Is that what your Suggesting?  So if that's the case No Rules Apply on this forum anymore?

I mean anyone could interpret the Rules as a "Suggestion" according to you.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 09:08:04 PM
P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)

The Pharmacist - could you please tag this one as a shitposter?

Clearly non-english speaking shitposter.

/s

Lauda, what in the wide wide world of sport is that ridiculous comment supposed to mean?

You think you are seeing some amazing layer that only you are smart enough to see, and the rest of us are too unintelligent to get?

I beg to fucking differ. This is shitposting at it's best. Let's discover:

"Multiple posting gaps"....pfft, what kind of invented phrase is that tripe?. What the hell is a "posting gap". How are these "nice"? What, in short, the fuck are you talking about?

"Nice change of the quality" - are you high? Read back, no inconsistencies there. I've looked and can see nothing but input....can you please show me the metric by which you judge the quality of this input, and the objective standard which validates it? No? I didn't think so.

"Could you make it less obvious?"....what is obvious? WHAT is obvious? What's obvious to most of us at this point is that you and your fellow fools are in a desperate situation, and are rallying to recover what tiny amount of dignity is left. Keep it up. You're entertaining.

As an old boss of mine used to say....Nonsense.

Arrogant comments like this are what make you and your little circle of bullies pathetic.

By all means trade words with me. I'm a native english speaker, and I'm not afraid of you.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 09:12:40 PM
Did you lot miss the point???

Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more.
So let's sit around and let the forum spam a little more before we get more mods, right? Perhaps this is a strawman but you have to find some way of combatting spam. How long is it going to take for theymos to appoint new moderators? And how effective will they be?

There are vast oceans of spam and certainly, that's a testament to how uninfluential moderation has been. This is certainly not the best of dealing with the situation but it's exacerbated to this level: you have to provide some deterrent to spamming. I mean, look at what happened in the past with account farming (i.e. rizzlarolla's thread). Where was the administrative concern?

P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)
I actually disagree: from what I saw, the style of typing has been the same throughout the years. Some good posts, some bad posts.

I see what your saying about combating spam. But the OP is opposed to the way The Pharmacist is going about. He is Raging Not Combating.

The Vast oceans of Spam could be Tackled by other means.  Instead of Painting them Red with Negative trust along with Scammers how about a Different Color of Feedback?  The Bright Red Screams Thief! Untrustworthy to me upon first glance.  Not fair to group poor English speaking users with scammers/scumbags.

My posting has always been the same. I'm human. I have good and bad days but i'm still the same person if that's my understanding of Laudas comment.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 09:14:01 PM
Did you lot miss the point???

Eliminating shitposts - yes! This is a good thing too. Trust rating SUCK for this. This is the job of the mods, and they should be banning left right and centre. Not enough mods? Get more.
So let's sit around and let the forum spam a little more before we get more mods, right? Perhaps this is a strawman but you have to find some way of combatting spam. How long is it going to take for theymos to appoint new moderators? And how effective will they be?

There are vast oceans of spam and certainly, that's a testament to how uninfluential moderation has been. This is certainly not the best of dealing with the situation but it's exacerbated to this level: you have to provide some deterrent to spamming. I mean, look at what happened in the past with account farming (i.e. rizzlarolla's thread). Where was the administrative concern?

P.S. Nice multiple posting gaps and nice change of the quality of your posts. Could you make it more less obvious? ::)
I actually disagree: from what I saw, the style of typing has been the same throughout the years. Some good posts, some bad posts.

Wait a minute, that's a fairly weak argument. What you're basically saying is "Well, the whole thing is broken anyhow, so us poor DTs are only trying to limp along with the best we have"?

Are you not strong enough to push for change?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 09:21:02 PM
Wait a minute, that's a fairly weak argument. What you're basically saying is "Well, the whole thing is broken anyhow, so us poor DTs are only trying to limp along with the best we have"?

Are you not strong enough to push for change?
I brought up the account farming thread: "Account farming. Allowed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1597201.0)". theymos has not done anything regarding that. The only change he's done recently that's been somewhat beneficial is the change where emails can change passwords within two weeks. This actually makes it easier for account farmers but is a security benefit and can be a deterrent to people who are prospective account buyers.
The thread was big enough and rizzlarolla did enough work (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0) to probably be mod-worthy, if theymos decided upon it. Unfortunately, no change came from it.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 09:28:54 PM
Wait a minute, that's a fairly weak argument. What you're basically saying is "Well, the whole thing is broken anyhow, so us poor DTs are only trying to limp along with the best we have"?

Are you not strong enough to push for change?
I brought up the account farming thread: "Account farming. Allowed? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1597201.0)". theymos has not done anything regarding that. The only change he's done recently that's been somewhat beneficial is the change where emails can change passwords within two weeks. This actually makes it easier for account farmers but is a security benefit and can be a deterrent to people who are prospective account buyers.
The thread was big enough and rizzlarolla did enough work (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670807.0) to probably be mod-worthy, if theymos decided upon it. Unfortunately, no change came from it.

I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: actmyname on January 23, 2018, 09:32:47 PM
I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?
I don't want people posting trash one-liners and filling up the forum with 200-page threads with useless remarks and the most general-ass statements imaginable.

You can only handle so many "bitcoin is good?" threads.
If you could, just try to stomach some of the spam megathreads in the Economics (and its child board, Speculation) and Bitcoin Discussion sections and you'll truly see what I mean. I'm talking threads with 15+ pages. Usually, they're devolved enough.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 09:38:47 PM
I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?
I don't want people posting trash one-liners and filling up the forum with 200-page threads with useless remarks and the most general-ass statements imaginable.

You can only handle so many "bitcoin is good?" threads.
If you could, just try to stomach some of the spam megathreads in the Economics (and its child board, Speculation) and Bitcoin Discussion sections and you'll truly see what I mean. I'm talking threads with 15+ pages. Usually, they're devolved enough.

I 100% get this, and I completely agree.

They should be warned, directed towards the community guidelines, and then they should be banned if they persist.

This is not what the trust system is for though. And it is just simply being abused.

Get more mods. Who says they have to be Hero or Legendary? They just need to be engaged, and obviously monitored - use the DT network for that? You'll have a hundred volunteers, and the abusers will be fairly obvious, fairly quickly.

What is happening at the moment is that people with poor English are being tagged as untrustworthy. There is a word for this, but I won't be the one to invoke Godwin's Law.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?
I don't want people posting trash one-liners and filling up the forum with 200-page threads with useless remarks and the most general-ass statements imaginable.

You can only handle so many "bitcoin is good?" threads.
If you could, just try to stomach some of the spam megathreads in the Economics (and its child board, Speculation) and Bitcoin Discussion sections and you'll truly see what I mean. I'm talking threads with 15+ pages. Usually, they're devolved enough.

Right now as it stands we have 3 colors to choose from when leaving Feedback.    Red:Meant For Scammers   Black Bold: Meant for a positive transaction/Sale/Service  Black: Neutral Feedback Meant for an OK transaction or a Watch out not what was agreed upon.

We should have

Red: Scammers/thieves   Red gives you a sense of Danger stay away. It's to be Expected of Scammers and thieves.

Orange: Based on suspicion. Could be used for Acct. Farmers/Sales Acts that may show Scamming activity.

Brown: A shitty Color. Could be used for Spammers or Shitposters.

Black Bold: A Good transaction sale/buy.  The way it was meant to be.

Black: Neutral an ok transaction or could have been better. Just a heads up for the next person.

Green:  For DT Members only. Based upon their Work on the forum and outing scammers/shit posters/Acct farmers.

Green DT should be reviewed and appointed or demoted By the Admins Only.

What do you think?  Just an Idea.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?
I don't want people posting trash one-liners and filling up the forum with 200-page threads with useless remarks and the most general-ass statements imaginable.

You can only handle so many "bitcoin is good?" threads.
If you could, just try to stomach some of the spam megathreads in the Economics (and its child board, Speculation) and Bitcoin Discussion sections and you'll truly see what I mean. I'm talking threads with 15+ pages. Usually, they're devolved enough.

Right now as it stands we have 3 colors to choose from when leaving Feedback.    Red:Meant For Scammers   Black Bold: Meant for a positive transaction/Sale/Service  Black: Neutral Feedback Meant for an OK transaction or a Watch out not what was agreed upon.

We should have

Red: Scammers/thieves   Red gives you a sense of Danger stay away. It's to be Expected of Scammers and thieves.

Orange: Based on suspicion. Could be used for Acct. Farmers/Sales Acts that may show Scamming activity.

Brown: A shitty Color. Could be used for Spammers or Shitposters.

Black Bold: A Good transaction sale/buy.  The way it was meant to be.

Black: Neutral an ok transaction or could have been better. Just a heads up for the next person.

Green:  For DT Members only. Based upon their Work on the forum and outing scammers/shit posters/Acct farmers.

Green DT should be reviewed and appointed or demoted By the Admins Only.

What do you think?  Just an Idea.

To be honest with you, I'd pull the whole trust idea completely. But I realise this might not be practical.

The issue arises when the word "suspicion" gets into the mix. It's not objective, and it's opinion-based.

There are a few ways the current situation could be improved, but ultimately, it needs moderators, and not a militia.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 10:02:43 PM
I'll agree with you that Theymos has not done enough. I'll also agree that there's no easy solution.

But to have people running about exploiting the hell out of the trust system, most especially when nobody can call them out for racist, opinionated rubbish, is counter-productive.

Do you want people here or not?
I don't want people posting trash one-liners and filling up the forum with 200-page threads with useless remarks and the most general-ass statements imaginable.

You can only handle so many "bitcoin is good?" threads.
If you could, just try to stomach some of the spam megathreads in the Economics (and its child board, Speculation) and Bitcoin Discussion sections and you'll truly see what I mean. I'm talking threads with 15+ pages. Usually, they're devolved enough.

Right now as it stands we have 3 colors to choose from when leaving Feedback.    Red:Meant For Scammers   Black Bold: Meant for a positive transaction/Sale/Service  Black: Neutral Feedback Meant for an OK transaction or a Watch out not what was agreed upon.

We should have

Red: Scammers/thieves   Red gives you a sense of Danger stay away. It's to be Expected of Scammers and thieves.

Orange: Based on suspicion. Could be used for Acct. Farmers/Sales Acts that may show Scamming activity.

Brown: A shitty Color. Could be used for Spammers or Shitposters.

Black Bold: A Good transaction sale/buy.  The way it was meant to be.

Black: Neutral an ok transaction or could have been better. Just a heads up for the next person.

Green:  For DT Members only. Based upon their Work on the forum and outing scammers/shit posters/Acct farmers.

Green DT should be reviewed and appointed or demoted By the Admins Only.

What do you think?  Just an Idea.

To be honest with you, I'd pull the whole trust idea completely. But I realise this might not be practical.

The issue arises when the word "suspicion" gets into the mix. It's not objective, and it's opinion-based.

There are a few ways the current situation could be improved, but ultimately, it needs moderators, and not a militia.

I have many many transactions on here and would not be quick to pull the trust system. I have had transactions with Mods such as Saltyspitoon,HIGH DT users such as Blazed and Users that have absolutely no feedback history at all. But i always look at a users trust rating to see where i stand with the transaction. I Depend on the DT system when doing Transactions.

It's a bit broken right now with the Abuse but the system theymos put in place originally was a fantastic idea.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
That's a fair observation.

How about implementing a trust system where only people involved in a transaction are given a (one time per transaction) ability to tag the trade?

That way there would be a reference for every rating, it's easy to moderate, and there's no room for subjective opinions like the quality of someone's english.

EDITED: Correctly shown to be naive. My bad, guess I just picture a perfect world :)

Just another idea :)


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: Vod on January 23, 2018, 10:16:06 PM
That's a fair observation.

How about implementing a trust system where only people involved in a transaction are given a (one time per transaction) ability to tag the trade?

That way there would be a reference for every rating, it's easy to moderate, and there's no room for subjective opinions like the quality of someone's english.

Just another idea :)

So give free reign to scammers UNTIL they scam?

Allows ponzis and other HYIPs until they stop paying out, and THEN tag them?


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: otrkid70 on January 23, 2018, 10:20:40 PM
That's a fair observation.

How about implementing a trust system where only people involved in a transaction are given a (one time per transaction) ability to tag the trade?

That way there would be a reference for every rating, it's easy to moderate, and there's no room for subjective opinions like the quality of someone's english.

Just another idea :)

So give free reign to scammers UNTIL they scam?

Allows ponzis and other HYIPs until they stop paying out, and THEN tag them?

Hell No!  Vod you keep doing what you do best....Busting scumbags.  No one better at it.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: HodorHodl on January 23, 2018, 10:32:40 PM
That's a fair observation.

How about implementing a trust system where only people involved in a transaction are given a (one time per transaction) ability to tag the trade?

That way there would be a reference for every rating, it's easy to moderate, and there's no room for subjective opinions like the quality of someone's english.

Just another idea :)

So give free reign to scammers UNTIL they scam?

Allows ponzis and other HYIPs until they stop paying out, and THEN tag them?

No, that's not what I meant. I guess I was kicking the can around. Didn't think that one through- thank you for correction :)

It's a very difficult problem to solve, and you're right....trust after the fact is open for abuse.

But tagging in advance should be regulated. The behaviour highlighted in this thread (and others) is too far in the other direction. Operating on a guilty until proven innocent basis doesn't work either.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: digaran on January 24, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
Congratulations on becoming a member of THE don family The pharmacist a.k.a a Filipino himself, I'll either join you and become a member of THE family or would probably die trying, that's a dying I'm looking for,  getting paid $2500 monthly.
Good job on painting these beggars, they should be grateful that theymos is not banning them, because if he does, there is no body to complain about him to.


**Have you met me? I'm the only certified beggar here, whether to beg to differ or beg because of sickness, I am a sick beggar, a begging disease more accurately.
Quote
My two friends called me crying why do we have negative trust, did we do something wrong are we going to be banned without earning a cent?  
Should I tell my story in short version or *long version? before I start, let me make one thing clear here, "crazy cat lady" line is mine and so is she.

Why do you think that any body could come here and earn money? you are complaining because you are not earning a cent, we are not earning money here, we are changing the history of the (man has got to eat right) kind.

When I got here, I was trying to buy Bitcoin with my prepaid VISA card, then I tried to kill myself because of running a full node for 2-3 months on my laptop and getting nothing for it. then I was trying to earn Bitcoin with cloud mining, I always thought that if I put something as description in my blockchain.info wallet on every transaction, every body could see them, and no body told me that I was wrong.

I was tagged with red like you all beggars, it was not removed for 3-4 months and the reason wasn't shitposting, it was scamming.

* I'm not getting paid enough to post the long version. (wait, what?) that's right, I've lost it, my mind and dignity, this forum has made a lowlife beggarout of me (note, I was a very important dev, but the politicians assassinated my character by paying Millions to Yobit and Liqui and asking them to refuse listing my Bitcoin killer project a.k.a ACY.
(note, this is all because of you shills and shitposters, I've learned all from you). now go and either invest on activity tokens or join my bounty, currently accepting 5000 people of any forum rank, you are required to mention activity tokens 3 times and sliding the asset identifier into your posts to get $160 per week.

Disclaimer: I have no money, but since "a man has got eat and in my case additionally jump a prostitute for 7-8 minutes" rules applies, you'll receive your payments after I have everything IF there is any thing left, I'll throw them for you, not promising, you may or may not receive any payments.

** example of sliding the asset identifier.


Title: Re: Who is policing this guy please? The Pharmacist. "Default trust".....joke?
Post by: fcf1081 on January 24, 2018, 08:26:08 AM
For: actmyname; I just want to ask why I was given a red trust..what did I do?.. I just want to know, is there something wrong with my post or with span of time between my post I'm not a spammer if there's something offensive in what I do or write pls. Let me know..I just want you to clarify these matter for my own peace of mind.. Thanks